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07-03-2003, 03:26 PM
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Your Own Hall of Fame
Mine would be much more exclusive...
(players only) Hank Aaron Cap Anson Ernie Banks George Brett Lou Brock Dan Brouthers Roberto Clemente Ty Cobb Eddie Collins Ed Delahanty Joe DiMaggio Jimmie Foxx Lou Gehrig Charlie Gehringer Hank Greenberg Harry Heilmann Rickey Henderson Rogers Hornsby Reggie Jackson Al Kaline Harmon Killebrew Mickey Mantle Eddie Mathews Willie Mays Willie McCovey Mark McGwire Paul Molitor Eddie Murray Stan Musial Mel Ott Cal Ripken Jr. Brooks Robinson Frank Robinson Pete Rose Babe Ruth Mike Schmidt Al Simmons Duke Snider Tris Speaker Bob Uecker Honus Wagner Ted Williams Dave Winfield Carl Yastrzemski Pete Alexander Bert Blyleven Mordecai Brown Steve Carlton John Clarkson Dennis Eckersley Rollie Fingers Whitey Ford Pud Galvin Bob Gibson Lefty Gomez Rich Gossage Lefty Grove Ron Guidry Fergie Jenkins Walter Johnson Tim Keefe Sandy Koufax Christy Mathewson Kid Nichols Phil Niekro Jim Palmer Gaylord Perry Eddie Plank Charley Radbourn Ed Reulbach Nolan Ryan Tom Seaver Lee Smith Warren Spahn Don Sutton Rube Waddell Ed Walsh Mickey Welch Hoyt Wilhelm Early Wynn Cy Young
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07-03-2003, 03:51 PM
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How can you possibly justify choosing Lee Smith while leaving out both Berra and Bench?
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07-03-2003, 03:57 PM
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Look at their stats and compare them to everyone else on that list. Berra is 59th all-time in homeruns, 49th in RBI, and in the thousandths in batting average. Bench is 39th in homeruns, 60th in RBI, and had a .267 batting average. Smith not only holds the record for career saves but has a big lead.
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07-03-2003, 04:02 PM
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07-03-2003, 04:06 PM
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I won't take sympathy on them for what position they played. The HOF is for what the players accomplished, not what they could've accomplished according to what position they played.
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07-03-2003, 04:09 PM
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Sympathy?
Nevermind, I don't feel like arguing.
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07-03-2003, 04:14 PM
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You lose.
 Anywho, you can out them in "Your Own Hall of Fame" like the title of the thread suggests. They don't deserve to be in mine.
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07-03-2003, 04:32 PM
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The best "number-putter-upper" will also achieve a good amount of fame. Berra and Bench didn't put up good enough numbers and therefore don't have enough fame with me.
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07-03-2003, 04:36 PM
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Yes I would. But it won't last for long I'm sure.
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07-03-2003, 04:39 PM
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You must take into account catchers get beat up crouching, catching ball after ball, in the hot sun, every day, and you expect them to put up GREAT numbers? Could you? I'm sure had Bench played a different position he'd have 500 homers. Also take defense into account, a catchers game is catch pitch after pitch, hard picth after pitch, and Bench did that. Still, you give him absolutely no credit?
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07-03-2003, 04:48 PM
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Like I said, I won't take sympathy on them for what position they played. The HOF is for what the players accomplished, not what they could've accomplished according to what position they played. And why ask if I could do it? I'm not a professional baseball player. And how do you know how well he would've done if he played a different position? I will give him credit for what he has done but not be including him in my Hall of Fame.
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07-03-2003, 04:51 PM
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07-03-2003, 04:57 PM
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What's your point? This is for CAREER accomplishments. Quote:
Or like 98% of other players, he may have just decided to retire.
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07-03-2003, 05:01 PM
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He was a good catcher, that was the position the Reds needded to fill, and he happened to be good at it. Also, does defense count in your thing, since he starred there as well. He didn't just "choose" to retire, he playd other poitions for a couple years before retiring due to injuries, he was forced out because he was played at catcher.
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07-03-2003, 05:04 PM
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There are a lot of great catchers. But compare their stats to anyone on my list, and I won't have to argue with you.
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07-03-2003, 05:10 PM
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Players of every position get injured.
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07-03-2003, 05:13 PM
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So describe to me the injuries that Bench and Berra received and what they missed out on in their careers because of it. And be specific so that I can compare them to the rest on that list.
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07-03-2003, 05:24 PM
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I'm only making an argument for Bench, I can't get you with Berra.
First, all of the physical work of being a catcher whittled them down, here showing... http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/benchjo01.shtml At age twenty two, he hit 45 homers. Name two players who hit that many that early and weren't great? Two years later, age 24, he hit 40, this looks good doesn't it? According to the favorite toy, this early in his career, his chances of making 500 homers were... 51%, a half and half chance he's making the plateau. But this is early in his career, and unfortunately, this early, being a catcher go to him. After this he never hitmore that 35 homers, his numbers pretty much declining each year. No doubt, he was a great hitter, but he worked a while. His playing time at catcher dropped each year as well, which shows it was too demanding, he moved to outfield, third base, and first base, and he seemed to hit better from those positions. Being a catcher was what knockedhim from being a great player. Also realize, he's the best fielding catcher ever to go along with it, and he deserves to be in the HOF.
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07-03-2003, 05:28 PM
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I don't care what catching did to his career. The bottom line is his stats are not good enough to be in MY Hall of Fame, not THE Hall of Fame.
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07-03-2003, 05:47 PM
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My HOF (From Addicts)
Addie Joss
Al Barlick - Umpire Al Kaline Al Simmons Al Spalding Albert Belle Alexander Cartwright Pioneer/Executive Arky Vaughan Babe Ruth Ban Johnson - Pioneer/Executive Bert Blyleven Bill Dickey Bill Foster -NL Bill Klem - Umpire Bill Mazeroski -Defense Bill McGowan - Umpire Bill Terry Bill Veeck - Pioneer/Executive Billy Evans Billy Hamilton Billy Williams Biz Mackey -NL Bob Caruthers Bob Feller Bob Gibson Branch Rickey - Pioneer/Executive Brooks Robinson -Defense Buck Leonard Bullet Rogan -NL Cal Hubbard - Umpire Cal Ripken Candy Cummings - Pioneer/Executive Cap Anson Carl Hubbell Carl Yastrzemski Carlton Fisk Casey Stengel Charley Radbourn Charlie Comiskey - Pioneer/Executive Charlie Gehringer Christy Mathewson Clark Griffith - Pioneer/Executive Connie Mack - Manager Cool Papa Bell -NL Cy Young Dan Brouthers Dave Winfield Don Sutton Duke Snider Earl Averill Earl Weaver - Manager Early Wynn Ed Barrow - Pioneer/Executive Ed Delahanty Ed Walsh Eddie Collins Eddie Mathews Eddie Murray Eddie Plank Ernie Banks Fergie Jenkins Ford Frick - Pioneer/Executive Frank Robinson Frank Selee - Manager Fred Clarke -MANAGER Gary Carter Gaylord Perry George Brett George Sisler George Weiss - Pioneer/Executive George Wright - Pioneer/Executive Hank Aaron Hank Greenberg Happy Chandler - Pioneer/Executive Harmon Killebrew Harry Heilmann Harry Wright - Pioneer/Executive Heinie Manush Henry Chadwick - Pioneer/Executive Hilton Smith -NL Honus Wagner Hoyt Wilhelm Hugh Duffy Jackie Robinson Jesse Burkett Jim Bottomley Jim Palmer Jimmie Foxx Jocko Conlan -UMPIRE Joe DiMaggio Joe Jackson Joe Kelley Joe McCarthy Joe Morgan Joe Sewell Joe Williams -NL John Clarkson John McGraw - Manager John Ward Johnny Bench Johnny Mize Josh Gibson Juan Marichal Judy Johnson -NL Keith Hernandez- Defense Kenesaw Landis - Pioneer/Executive Kid Nichols King Kelly Kirby Puckett Larry MacPhail - Pioneer/Executive Lee MacPhail - Pioneer/Executive Lefty Gomez Lefty Grove Lefty O'Doul Leon Day -NL Lou Boudrea-Defense Lou Brock Lou Gehrig Lou Whitaker Luke Appling Mark McGwire Martin Dihigo -NL Mel Ott Mickey Cochrane Mickey Mantle Mickey Welch Mike Schmidt Monte Irvin Mordecai Brown Morgan Bulkeley - Pioneer/Executive Nap Lajoie Nestor Chylak - Umpire Nolan Ryan Oscar Charleston –NL Ozzie Smith- Defense Paul Molitor Paul Waner Pete Alexander Pete Browning Pete Rose Phil Niekro Pie Traynor Pop Lloyd –NL Pud Galvin Rabbit Maranville Ralph Kiner Ray Dandridge -NL Reggie Jackson Roberto Clemente Robin Yount Rod Carew Roger Bresnahan Roger Connor Rogers Hornsby Roy Campanella. Rube Foster –NL Manager Rube Waddell Ryne Sandberg Sam Crawford Sam Rice Sam Thompson Sandy Koufax Satchel Paige Sparky Anderson - Manager Stan Musial Steve Carlton Ted Williams Tim Keefe Tom Connolly - Umpire Tom Lasorda - Manager Tom Seaver Tom Yawkey - Pioneer/Executive Tony Gwynn Tris Speaker Turkey Stearnes -NL Ty Cobb Wade Boggs Walter Alston - Manager Walter Johnson Warren Giles - Pioneer/Executive Warren Spahn Whitey Ford Will Harridge - Pioneer/Executive William Hulbert - Pioneer/Executive Willie Keeler Willie Mays Willie McCovey Willie Stargell Willie Wells -NL Yogi Berra
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