Hoffman's a Bum

[Yankwood]

For his 3,505 career saves, or whatever it is, Trevor Hoffman has blown just about every meaningful opportunity he has gotten. The Yankees slapped him into submission in '98 and now this. Some guys never come up big in the pressure spots.

[Westlake]

How completely ignorant. He has been in hundreds of pressure spots. I guess the '98 NLDS and NLCS, and the '05 and '06 NLDS aren't pressure spots? Were the last 7 scoreless appearances he had before today not pressure spots either? Hoffman's a bum? He's probably been a lot more successful at his job than you've been at yours.

[Yankwood]

Originally Posted by Westlake

How completely ignorant. He has been in hundreds of pressure spots. I guess the '98 NLDS and NLCS, and the '05 and '06 NLDS aren't pressure spots? Were the last 7 scoreless appearances he had before today not pressure spots either? Hoffman's a bum? He's probably been a lot more successful at his job than you've been at yours.

Wow! You really take it personally. Is Trevor your Daddy? You have to admit, with all those saves against San Francisco and the Dodgers and weak sisters like that, when push comes to shove, he's just another number compiler. He wilts under the hot lights. And listen, calm down,. Don't get so upset. It's only a game and I'm only offering my opinion. Isn't that what it's all about, or should we all just agree with each other all day. Sheeesh.

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by Yankwood

Wow! You really take it personally. Is Trevor your Daddy? You have to admit, with all those saves against San Francisco and the Dodgers and weak sisters like that, when push comes to shove, he's just another number compiler. He wilts under the hot lights. And listen, calm down,. Don't get so upset. It's only a game and I'm only offering my opinion. Isn't that what it's all about, or should we all just agree with each other all day. Sheeesh.

This is the second time i've had to tell you this before, but I dont take any of this personally. Its an internet message board, why would I? I'm not upset, i'm just pointing out how absolutely ridiculous and ignorant the basis for your statement is. If YOU can't handle that, then maybe it is YOU who takes things too personally.

When push comes to shove, Trevor Hoffman has been one of the best relief pitchers in the history of baseball. Your opinion (and you're entitled to it) is just that, and it won't be one that is shared with many (if anyone) in this forum. Calling him a "number compiler" really means absolutely nothing. He works as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and is one of the best pitchers i've ever seen, in and out of pressure. You point out a couple games and say that he's a bum, when he has excelled so many other times. Many, many, great pitchers (Rivera, Eckersley) have faultered in key situations before they aren't bums either.

[Yankwood]

Originally Posted by Westlake

This is the second time i've had to tell you this before, but I dont take any of this personally. Its an internet message board, why would I? I'm not upset, i'm just pointing out how absolutely ridiculous and ignorant the basis for your statement is. If YOU can't handle that, then maybe it is YOU who takes things too personally.

When push comes to shove, Trevor Hoffman has been one of the best relief pitchers in the history of baseball. Your opinion (and you're entitled to it) is just that, and it won't be one that is shared with many (if anyone) in this forum. Calling him a "number compiler" really means absolutely nothing. He works as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and is one of the best pitchers i've ever seen, in and out of pressure. You point out a couple games and say that he's a bum, when he has excelled so many other times. Many, many, great pitchers (Rivera, Eckersley) have faultered in key situations before they aren't bums either.

You are just very intolerant if somebody doesn't agree with you. I still think he's a bum.

[psbaseballfan27]

Trevor has blown a few major games and does have the most overrated record. Having said that he has been a great closer since 93!! Will people get off his case.

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by Yankwood

You are just very intolerant if somebody doesn't agree with you. I still think he's a bum.

No, i'm tolerant of ignorance. Calling a HOFer a "bum" is ignorant at best.

[BagwellFan]

Yankwood,
I am just curious, but do you consider Mariano Rivera a bum?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Originally Posted by Westlake

No, i'm tolerant of ignorance. Calling a HOFer a "bum" is ignorant at best.

The words of Klaatu come to mind...

[Westlake]

San Diego's two best pitchers give up 8 runs. Amazing. Poor Hoffman is going to have even more people like Yankwood saying he's a bum now. Man what a game though, i'm glad it ended that way.

[MadHatter]

Wow! I cannot believe he blew that game so badly. Wow!

Wow!

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by MadHatter

Wow! I cannot believe he blew that game so badly. Wow!

Wow!

That was something huh? After the first double you could kind of feel it coming. Hoffman has kind of turned into Mariano Rivera blowing some big games over the last 5 years.

I was actually more surprised at Peavy doing so badly... Hoffman has been on and off this year -- Peavy has been unstoppable. Padre pitching ends up losing the season they had kept afloat all season.

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

Wow. That's a rough loss. I am not a Padres fan but it does seem whenever I watch him, he has his meltdowns. I remember that AS Game a few years back when he blew a sv and allowed a game winning hit to M Young.

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by Joltin Joe Giradio

Wow. That's a rough loss. I am not a Padres fan but it does seem whenever I watch him, he has his meltdowns. I remember that AS Game a few years back when he blew a sv and allowed a game winning hit to M Young.

Oh, he sure does have meltdowns, but he's still far from being a 'bum'.

[Yankwood]

Originally Posted by Westlake

Oh, he sure does have meltdowns, but he's still far from being a 'bum'.

To all the smart guys, I hand you the
"Feather of Chokery" to add to Hoffman's cap. That's quite a headdress he's put together.

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by Yankwood

To all the smart guys, I hand you the
"Feather of Chokery" to add to Hoffman's cap. That's quite a headdress he's put together.

If the feather is a singular entity, wouldn't there only be one on Trevor's cap? Or does he have feathers for each one of his 500+ saves?

[Yankwood]

Originally Posted by Westlake

If the feather is a singular entity, wouldn't there only be one on Trevor's cap? Or does he have feathers for each one of his 500+ saves?

Yes, the SINGLE feather gets added to the other SINGLE feathers which now form the well plumed headdress. ......got it?

[KCGHOST]

Hoffman's defenders seem to think the 2007 Rockies are the 2001 Diamondbacks (see the 7th game of the WS).

[Westlake]

Originally Posted by Yankwood

Yes, the SINGLE feather gets added to the other SINGLE feathers which now form the well plumed headdress. ......got it?

Then you should have said you handed him A feather of chokery. Either way, the SD on his HOF cap will be prettier.

Hey Yankwood. Please stop. You give our section a bad name. We have already dealt with MLB2K7. We don't need another one.

Of course you can disagree, but please discuss it in a CIVILIZED way instead of calling names.

[johnnypapa]

Originally Posted by Westlake

That was something huh? After the first double you could kind of feel it coming. Hoffman has kind of turned into Mariano Rivera blowing some big games over the last 5 years.

I was actually more surprised at Peavy doing so badly... Hoffman has been on and off this year -- Peavy has been unstoppable. Padre pitching ends up losing the season they had kept afloat all season.

Your right Westlake...nobody's perfect. Mo has failed in some big moments also but boy when Hoffman goes south...he really goes south....I mean those were some hard hit balls. It seems that people can't see the whole career of a player though nowadays. Or even a whole season...I imagine if the Padres won someone would be calling Holliday a bum because he blew that play in left

Having said that I guess because of the huge salaries these players are expected to be perfect all the time or it's just good ole fan bias.

[hellborn]

Originally Posted by johnnypapa

Your right Westlake...nobody's perfect. Mo has failed in some big moments also but boy when Hoffman goes south...he really goes south....I mean those were some hard hit balls. It seems that people can't see the whole career of a player though nowadays. Or even a whole season...I imagine if the Padres won someone would be calling Holliday a bum because he blew that play in left

Having said that I guess because of the huge salaries these players are expected to be perfect all the time or it's just good ole fan bias.

It's always been like this...you still hear about the Merkle boner and the Snodgrass muff...you'd think that all Lazzeri ever did in his career was have one K against Pete Alexander in '26...Ralph Branca only threw one pitch in his career, too bad it was to Bobby Thomson (funny how Newk got off the hook there)...Hack Wilson never lived down losing two balls in the sun in the '29 WS, despite hitting 56HR the next year...Splinter was a wimp in '41 against the Cards, never mind that he got hit in the elbow in a meaningless exhibition game just before the series and it was swollen all to hell...all Ernie Lombardi ever did in his career was take a nap at home while Keller and Clipper scored.

[HDH]

Well, watching Todd Jones all year, Trevor Hoffman can't be so bad. Although, after the blown save in Milwaukee last weekend, Bud Black should've put Hoffman on a short leash. I don't blame that loss on Hoffman as much as I do Brady Clark's defense. Peavey would've been in longer and had far fewer runs. Ultimately, Bud Black should've pulled Clark earlier.

[Yankwood]

Originally Posted by Yankeebiscuitfan

Hey Yankwood. Please stop. You give our section a bad name. We have already dealt with MLB2K7. We don't need another one.

Of course you can disagree, but please discuss it in a CIVILIZED way instead of calling names.

Hey, a bum is a bum. Look at the Brooklyn Dodgers. They were known affectionately as The Bums. So they say. But much of that was frustration directed at a team that was known to "choke" in the World Series. Much the same as Trevor Hoffman starring as a "Not Ready For Prime Time Pitcher". Let's not get so darned thin skinned about this. It's baseball for God's sake. Talk about political correctness run amok. This is getting ridiculous.

[Westlake]

Yes everyone run for the hills, PC has run amok!!

Do you know what political correctness is? No one has said anything that could be labeled as un-PC.