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11-16-2004, 01:02 PM
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Ron Santo
What's everyones take on Ron Santo? Should he be in the Hall of Fame? I feel he should and is long overdue, I hope the veterans committe allows Ron in this year. The poor guy has been suffering from diabetis his whole life, and yet he never let it get him down or affect his playing. Santo is one of the best third basemen ever, (how many 3B are in the hall?)and plus he won a handfull of gold gloves to go along with over 350 HR, he along with Ernie Banks was the heart and soul of the Cubs in the 1960's. It's time Santo gets his due.
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11-16-2004, 01:38 PM
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11-16-2004, 02:30 PM
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I believe Santo to be most definitely among the 10 best ever to play his position, and arguably as high as the 5th or 6th best. Being that I am too young to have seen Santo play, I would love it to hear some theories as to why Santo hasn't gotten his due? He was a superior all-around player to Brooks Robinson, yet Robinson seems to be held in much higher regard (he was selected to the All-Century squad, though I don't know how much stock to put in that). I guess Robinson's dazzling defense and postseason exposure is what's made the difference.
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11-16-2004, 05:08 PM
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I think the comparison to Brooks is valid. They were exact contemporaries, and based on that, It's clear to me that Santo was the overall superior player. Brooks was clearly flashier, and did perform well in the post season, but lets face it, a number of Brook's GG's were won on reputation not merit.
With that said, I believe that Santo was the pre-eminant 3B of the NL during his time in MLB, and over all he's easily in the top 10 of 3B's all time, and to me that makes it easy to put him into the HOF. KH14
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11-16-2004, 05:51 PM
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I think Robinson is considered a better player because he was one of the leaders of those World Champion Orioles teams of the 1970's. He has an MVP and two Rings. Santo has none of those. There's where the difference lies.
I do believe Santo is a top ten 3B and definately belongs in the hall. He had a very good career as a solid all around player. It wasn't his fault he was stuck on the Cubbies and never won a ring.
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11-16-2004, 06:11 PM
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One reason why I beleive that Santo is not in the Hall is because during his playing days he never really seemed to care to talk to reporters, or would make snide remarks towards them. Perhaps his shunning from the Hall, is the sports writers way to get back at him, If this is the case this shows a bad part on their reputation, and they should let personal issues aside when deciding who belongs in the Hall of Fame and who doesn't.
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11-16-2004, 06:20 PM
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I have rarely ever seen people on serious baseball discussion sites make the case that Brooks Robinson was better than Santo. The Cub third baseman was clearly superior by the stats. The fact that the Cubs never won a pennant in the '60s despite having Banks (although he was quite a mediocre 1st baseman during that decade), Williams, and Jenkins (HOFers with longer careers but not spectacular peaks) has been held against Santo. BBWAA writers probably thought of him as only the 3rd best position player on those teams, when he was actually the best most years.
Last edited by mac195; 11-16-2004 at 07:21 PM.
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11-16-2004, 06:39 PM
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11-17-2004, 07:20 AM
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11-17-2004, 07:23 AM
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11-17-2004, 10:14 PM
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If I had one vote off the VC list it would go to Santo.
Schmidt/Mathews/Brett/Baker/Boggs/Santo/Robinson. With a shout-out to Molitor. Then Traynor/Collins/Hack/Boyer/Nettles/Leach/Evans. That's 15 right? I'm not sure where to draw the HOF line but I'm certain Santo is above it. I still can't understand how he slipped through the BBWAA.
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11-18-2004, 04:34 AM
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If you vote at the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame, you know that I have been pushing for Santo's election to our own HOF for several months. I have posted three or four (and have PM'ed another couple) posts showing why Santo, at his peak, was very clearly the superior player - and this is during the period Brooks won his MVP award. I certainly feel the fact he was not elected to Cooperstown by the BBWAA is one of, if not the most, egregious omissions they ever made. He definitely belongs. I think Brooks' post season exposure and his much longer career helped get him elected. Unfortunately, if you look at the record, Brooks should have retired at least three years before he did, and in those last few years was actually hurting his team by continueing to play. Santo knew better when to quit, but in doing so shortened his career and, IMHO, hurt his election chances.
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11-18-2004, 08:50 AM
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11-18-2004, 05:03 PM
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 .I've relented and yes, I'd have to put Santo ahead of Robinson as well. One spot ahead of him anyway. The difference in offensive output, Wrigley Field or not, outweighs the difference in defense/postseason performance.
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11-18-2004, 07:45 PM
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HOORAY, another convert!
 Now only a few dozen more to go, and maybe Santo will get elected to the BBFHOF!!
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You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton
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11-22-2004, 02:42 PM
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If anyone doubts Santo's HOF status Watch the movie 'THIS OLD CUB'
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11-26-2004, 05:02 PM
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C24: I'm no convert! I'm voting for Santo and Robinson. I'm also voting for Baker, Molitor, and Traynor.
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11-27-2004, 07:20 AM
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JW: WHOA, me too! I didn't realize I had them all on my ballot until I read your post and saw that I did.
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You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton
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11-27-2004, 10:06 PM
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He's in our HOF now, isn't he? This was the first month I voted for him, so you could say I was sort of a recent convert. It seemed he had enough votes at the end, but I haven't actually tallied up the ballots... So I guess...
Congratulations, Santo!
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12-10-2004, 10:58 AM
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being a big cards fan back in santos era.i can honestly say i hated santo cause he used to come up with either the big play or the home run to beat my team...problem is there were alot of other great greats from that team and its tuff being a third baseman trying to get into the hall.
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08-11-2005, 06:48 PM
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Ron Santo to the HOF?
Do you think Ron Santo deserves to be in the HOF? Do you think Ron Santo will ever get into the HOF?
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08-11-2005, 07:28 PM
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yes and no people on the committe are morons
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