Would you do this trade?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Here it is

FLA gets:
CF Grady Sizemore
C Ryan Garko (or Victor Martinez I have a friend who's a Tribe fan and he likes Garko more than Vic)

CLE gets:

P Dontrelle Willis

[Mad Guru]

I think if you're the Marlins you do it. Sizemore is under contract until 2011 at about 4 million a year with an 8.5 million option for 2012. You look at what Gary Matthews, Jr. made this season and Sizemore is getting paid pocket change. He's also developing into one of the best outfielders in the game at age 24.

Willis is coming off an off-year and has thrown a boatload of innings since he has reached the majors. He's eligible for arbitration and could make more this season than Sizemore will in '12. I think he is a bigger health risk than Sizemore (mostly because he is a pitcher). I also think that the league adjustment would hurt Willis while boosting Sizemore.

In order for both teams to make this trade, it should be the Marlins tossing in the prospects and not the Indians.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Originally Posted by Mad Guru

I think if you're the Marlins you do it. Sizemore is under contract until 2011
Willis is coming off an off-year and has thrown a boatload of innings since he has reached the majors. He's eligible for arbitration and could make more this season than Sizemore will in '12. I think he is a bigger health risk than Sizemore (mostly because he is a pitcher). I also think that the league adjustment would hurt Willis while boosting Sizemore.

Agreed on the first point, but I'd say Sizemore is abigger injury risk than the D-Train, he goes balls out every single play...he may get hurt going all out in CF.

[W_Marone]

Originally Posted by ChrisLDuncan

Agreed on the first point, but I'd say Sizemore is abigger injury risk than the D-Train, he goes balls out every single play...he may get hurt going all out in CF.

Sure but Dontrelle doesnt exaclty not go all out when he pitches either....just that he plays every five games not every game.

[sschirmer]

Originally Posted by Mad Guru

I think if you're the Marlins you do it. Sizemore is under contract until 2011 at about 4 million a year with an 8.5 million option for 2012. You look at what Gary Matthews, Jr. made this season and Sizemore is getting paid pocket change. He's also developing into one of the best outfielders in the game at age 24.

Willis is coming off an off-year and has thrown a boatload of innings since he has reached the majors. He's eligible for arbitration and could make more this season than Sizemore will in '12. I think he is a bigger health risk than Sizemore (mostly because he is a pitcher). I also think that the league adjustment would hurt Willis while boosting Sizemore.

In order for both teams to make this trade, it should be the Marlins tossing in the prospects and not the Indians.

I couldn't agree with you more. Very nicely put.

[JordanDL3891]

Originally Posted by Go Gomes

Sure but Dontrelle doesnt exaclty not go all out when he pitches either....just that he plays every five games not every game.

even so, pitching is more important than batting.

If you have a bad rotation, I would consider this deal.

maybe you could switch your CF with one of your bottom or even middle of the rotation pitchers and a Prospect?

[ACrank]

FYI Ryan Garko is a first baseman.

[punker268]

the marlins need that ace. he's one of their best pitchers!

[JordanDL3891]

Originally Posted by ACrank

FYI Ryan Garko is a first baseman.

yea, I know, I was talking about Sizemore.

[ACrank]

Originally Posted by ChrisLDuncan

Here it is

FLA gets:
CF Grady Sizemore
C Ryan Garko (or Victor Martinez I have a friend who's a Tribe fan and he likes Garko more than Vic)

CLE gets:

P Dontrelle Willis

This is what i was talking about. Garko hasn't been a catcher now for almost two seasons. (is it too much to at least know a little something about the team you are commenting on?)

(Oh and BTW - no way would i give up Sizemore and Martinez to get Willis - thats too much, i dont care how good Willis is...)

[ChrisLDuncan]

Originally Posted by ACrank

This is what i was talking about. Garko hasn't been a catcher now for almost two seasons. (is it too much to at least know a little something about the team you are commenting on?)

(Oh and BTW - no way would i give up Sizemore and Martinez to get Willis - thats too much, i dont care how good Willis is...)

Well http://thebaseballcube.com/players/G/ryan-garko.shtml that said he was a catcher

I also have a friend who is an Indians fan, and he was complaining after the Crisp trade trade that Garko/Bard are good enough young catchers and that they should not had acquired Shoppach. Also Garko was a catcher at Stanford. I assume that he can play catcher in Cleveland as well.

[ACrank]

If you bothered to actually check the page you linked to you would discover that in the year 2006 Ryan Garko was exclusively a 1b, and that you would have to go back to the year 2005 to find a time when Garko was listed as a catcher, and back to 2004 where he was listed as a catcher first.

Everyone should have at least one friend who is an Indians fan - we are good people. However, with all due respect, its obvious your friend does not share the same opinion of Garko's defensive capabilities as the Indian FO does. Garko is, at best, an emergency catcher - it should not be his primary position.

(& i believe Shoppach outhit Bard against AL pitching, and Bard failed in his shot to force the Indians to move Martinez to first.)

Anyhow, to summarize, Ryan Garko is a 1b/dh who can be a #3 catcher. Basically another Mike Stanley.

[cavalier1968]

We should throw Hafner in too

Cav

[cubsfan1073]

If I was the Indians, I wouldn't do this deal. Sizemore is developing into an incredible run-scorer and leadoff hitter and is a great player. I don't know much about Garko, but I do know that Martinez is a good hitter out of the catcher spot. Despite the need for starting pitchers in MLB, I still think this trade would favor the Marlins.

[The Kid]

I would take this trade, but the tribe has to throw in another prospect. And you DON'T trade Victor Martinez.

[BoofBonser26]

Bump (for fun).

[ACrank]

I wonder if he still thinks Garko is a catcher.

[leecemark]

--Before going back and looking at the dates I thought this thread was completely insane. Who could even discuss such a deal as possible (from the Indians standpoint). Willis stock has dropped to next to nothing. I expect the Marlins will move him for a couple B prospects this winter, unless they get lucky and find a sucker to give up more than he is worth.

[BoofBonser26]

Originally Posted by leecemark

--Before going back and looking at the dates I thought this thread was completely insane. Who could even discuss such a deal as possible (from the Indians standpoint). Willis stock has dropped to next to nothing. I expect the Marlins will move him for a couple B prospects this winter, unless they get lucky and find a sucker to give up more than he is worth.

I bumped this thread because I was certain it was insane at the time, and wanted to do a little snarky "I told you so." Also thought it would be fun for people to read over.

[smithkp]

Yeah, then or now, the premise of this trade is asinine. Wow, never, never, never!

[nyy6488]

The Indians would be foolish to make this deal. I think that Willis is very overrated and a move to the A.L. would expose him as the mediocre pitcher that he has been the past two seasons. I think that they already have a solid, young lefty starter in Chuck Lofgren, who could be in the rotation next season. I would rather see a Sizemore-Marte-Miller package for Miguel Cabrera.

[PVNICK]

Don't do it if I'm Cleveland unless it's Garko for Willis straight up. Willis is young and lefty but he needs to have at least an average season or some reson why he has had one great year, two pretty good and one bad in the last 4.

[cavalier1968]

Bump.......

[cavalier1968]

"I believe he was the greatest all around player ever. Henderson couldn't field like him, Ruth couldn't run like him, Speaker couldn't hit like him." - The kid on Willie Mays


Hmm I wonder if Mays could pitch like Ruth?

Cav

[LAfan10]

We have a good bullpin just tht we need to work on them during the off season.

Why would we be trading our golden glove winner AND our good avg hitter for 1 picher tht we all ready have?