2006 BaseBall Fever Awards (4th Annual)

[EvanAparra]

Originally Posted by Erik Bedard

I'm still upset by the total lack of support for Markakis. Behind Johjima? What? Whoever gave Johjima those points is obviously a Seattle homer who pays no attention to stats. Markakis has a 19-point OBP lead, they have equal BA's, Johjima has a three-point SLG% lead, two more HRs, but that's it. The big one for me is Markakis' FIFTY-ONE POINT RC/27 lead. FIFTY-ONE. That anybody voted for Johjima over Markakis is upsetting.

Johjima is a catcher -- Markakis is a corner outfielder -- The production from Johjima is worth more than that from Markakis. I'd vote Johjima over Markakis, and i'm not a Seattle homer.

[tearforamariner]

Originally Posted by Erik Bedard

I'm still upset by the total lack of support for Markakis. Behind Johjima? What? Whoever gave Johjima those points is obviously a Seattle homer who pays no attention to stats. Markakis has a 19-point OBP lead, they have equal BA's, Johjima has a three-point SLG% lead, two more HRs, but that's it. The big one for me is Markakis' FIFTY-ONE POINT RC/27 lead. FIFTY-ONE. That anybody voted for Johjima over Markakis is upsetting.

Johjima had 22 Win Shares this season. Markakis had 13. It's not even all that close.

[Erik Bedard]

Originally Posted by EvanAparra

Johjima is a catcher -- Markakis is a corner outfielder -- The production from Johjima is worth more than that from Markakis. I'd vote Johjima over Markakis, and i'm not a Seattle homer.

Of course, I'd be among the crowd who think Ichiro should be stripped of his ROY because he played under a major-league contract in another country. But my reasons for that would get into politics, so I'm not going to discuss this further. All I'm going to say is that, by matter of principle, Markakis is more qualified than Johjima.

And also, TFAM, Win Shares are a pretty skewed stat, from what little I know of them. They tend to overrate catchers, especially defense-wise. Offensively, if Johjima has a lead, it's almost always by a very small margin. Markakis has a FIFTY-ONE point lead in RC/27. And Markakis is a very good defensive right fielder, though there really isn't any way to measure pure speed and defensive skill (especially in the outfield). Anyway, it all comes down to which team you like better.

Originally Posted by RichmondHillPhoenix

It's a 9 point difference, does it really matter? Markakis isn't a well-known player. I know Markakis, but I didn't even know he was a rookie.

It's at the bottom of the list, and it probably comes down to a few Mariner's fans who threw Johjima in because they knew of him. It's the market he plays in.

Why do you think Mourneau came in third here (by a lot of votes to boot)?

PS: What's RC/27?

Nine points is more than the difference between Dan Uggla and Ryan Zimmerman. Nine points is a pretty big difference. But what I'm most concerned about the three next to Markakis. That means only three people voted for him at most. And no, I wasn't one of them. I didn't submit a ballot at all, and if I did, I would have voted for Verlander. But hey, it's my mission to get Bedard and Markakis some visibility on this board, because they deserve it.

RC/27 is supposed to be a measure of how many runs a team made up of nine of that player would produce.

[tearforamariner]

Originally Posted by Erik Bedard

And also, TFAM, Win Shares are a pretty skewed stat, from what little I know of them. They tend to overrate catchers, especially defense-wise. Offensively, if Johjima has a lead, it's almost always by a very small margin. Markakis has a FIFTY-ONE point lead in RC/27. And Markakis is a very good defensive right fielder, though there really isn't any way to measure pure speed and defensive skill (especially in the outfield). Anyway, it all comes down to which team you like better.
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I can understand your problem with WS, but only at total WS. If we look at only offensive WS, position isn't a factor. With that said, Johjima has 14.6 offensive winshares, Markakis has 10.6.

[The Commissioner]

Hey fellow Baseball Fever members,

Thanks to each and every one of you for making this another fantastic year at Baseball Fever!!! As has become a tradition here over the past three seasons, I will be accepting ballots once again via private message or email in an attempt to conduct an awards vote in a similar fashion as does the BBWAA. The points system will be the same as used in the official MLB ballots. Your ballots will not be revealed to anyone other than myself unless you wish to make them public. Ballots that are listed publicly will not be counted unless they are also accompanied by a PM or email to me containing the information as well.

For MVP please submit your top 10 choices for each league in order. A first place vote will receive 14 points, 2nd place 9 points, 3rd 8 points, etc. down to 1 point for a tenth place vote.

For Cy Young, ROY, and Manager of the Year please submit your top 3 choices for each league in order. A first place vote will receive 5 points, followed by 3 for a second place vote, and 1 for a third place vote.
Accomplishments in the post season should not be weighed in your voting decision.

After an ample time is given to vote, we will tally up the choices and see how we did in comparison to the Baseball Writers. Remember please vote for those players you feel deserve these honors and not necessarily the players that you think will win them. Remember, your vote counts!!! Thanks and happy voting.

If you care to view the results from last year, they may be seen here:

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...ghlight=Awards

-The Commish

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Don't know if we're supposed to post in here, but I don't see why not.

Voting was toughest for the NL MVP (tough to fill the bottom half of the ballot), and the AL manager of the year (after Leyland, does it really matter?).

When can we expect the results?

[Solrac]

Where do we post???

[EvanAparra]

By Private message or email.

[racosun]

AL MVP:
1. Carlos Guillen, Detroit
2. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
3. David Ortiz, Boston
4. Manny Ramirez, Boston
5. Derek Jeter, New York
6. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
7. Frank Thomas, Oakland
8. Alex Rodriguez, New York
9. Jim Thome, Chicago
10. Travis Hafner, Cleveland

NL MVP:
1. Carlos Beltran, New York
2. Albert Pujols, St. Louis
3. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia
4. David Wright, New York
5. Miguel Cabrera, Florida
6. Jose Reyes, New York
7. Chase Utley, Philadelphia
8. Jason Bay, Pittsburgh
9. Lance Berkman, Houston
10. Carlos Delgado, New York (no, not a Mets fan)

AL Cy Young:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Johan Santana, Minnesota
3. Kenny Rogers, Detroit

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Young, San Diego
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Roger Clemens, Houston

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Joe Torre, New York

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Tony LaRussa, St. Louis

I'm sure I mixed up a little bit, and I probably forgot a deserving vote or two, but this is what I submitted to The Commish as my official BBF vote. The easiest vote for me to make was Jim Leyland for AL Manager of the Year. Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide. The toughest call to make was for NL MVP. I went with Carlos Beltran over Albert Pujols, mainly because the Mets were a much stronger team than the Cardinals, plus he was a fantasy stud for me this season after I picked him up on the cheap. I reward my players, yes. lol

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Not shy either

AL MVP:
1. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
2. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
3. Derek Jeter, New York
4. David Ortiz, Boston
5. Jim Thome, ChiSox
6. Frank Thomas, Oakland
7. Michael Young, Texas
8. Travis Hafner, Cleveland
9. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees
10. Jeremaine Dye, White Sox
HONORABLE MENTION: Vladimir Guerrerro, Angels; Raul Ibanez Mariners

NL MVP:
1. Ryan Howard, Phillies
2. Carlos Beltran, Mets
3. Alfonso Soriano, Nationals
4. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
5. Lance Berkman, Astros
6. Freddy Sanchez, Pirates
7. Nomar Garciapparra, Dodgers
8. Brian McCann, Braves
9. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
10. Andruw Jones, Braves
HONERABLE MENTION: Garrett Atkins/ Matt Holiday, Rockies

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees
3. Jon Garland, ChiSox

NL Cy Young:
1. Brandon Webb, Arizona
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Carlos Zambrano, Cubs

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
2. Dan Uggla, Florida
3. Josh Barfield, Padres

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Ken Macha, Oakland

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Willie Randolph, New York
2. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
3. Jerry Narron, Reds

[Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by racosun

The toughest call to make was for NL MVP.

I sumbitted mine today.

The toughest call for me was NY Cy Young. No one stood out, and there where a bunch of people that looked very similar. Very tough to separate the pack

[Ytown Tribe fan]

Is there a specific cutoff date for voting?

[KCGHOST]

AL MVP

1. Derek Jeter NYA
2. Jermaine Dye CHA
3. Travis Hafner CLE
4. David Ortiz BOS
5. Grady Sizemore CLE
6. Carlos Guillen DET
7. Joe Mauer MIN
8. Miguel Tejada BAL
9. Manny Ramirez BOS
10. Jim Thome CHA

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ryan Howard, Phillies
3. Carlos Beltran, Mets
3. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
5. Lance Berkman, Astros
6. Matt Holliday, Col
7. Chase Utley, Phillies
8. Brian McCann, Braves
9. Jose Reyes, Mets
10. Jason Bay, Pitt

AL CYA

1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Roy Holladay, Toronto
3. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees

NL CYA

1. Roy Oswalt, Houston
2. Brando Webb, Arizona
3. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis

AL ROY

1. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota
2. Justin Verlander, Detroit
3. Jered Weaver, Los Angeles

NL ROY

1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Dan Uggla, Florida
3. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington

AL MOY

1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Ken Macha, Oakland

NL MOY

1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Jerry Narron, Reds

[insanefishpossay]

Originally Posted by racosun

Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide.

Voting Leyland for MOY doesn't make you a homer.

Putting Verlander ahead of Santana, on the other hand...

[NewYork NewYork]

Originally Posted by insanefishpossay

Voting Leyland for MOY doesn't make you a homer.

Putting Verlander ahead of Santana, on the other hand...

WOW WOW WOW. I thought Santana would be a unanimous decision, I picked him anyway. I cannot believe someone picked Verlander over him!

[Ytown Tribe fan]

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Carlos Beltran
3. Miguel Cabrera
4. Lance Berkman
5. Ryan Howard
6. David Wright
7. Alfonso Soriano
8. Jose Reyes
9. Mike Cameron
10. Barry Bonds

AL MVP

1. Derek Jeter
2. David Ortiz
3. Joe Mauer
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Justin Morneau
6. Jim Thome
7. Johan Santana
8. Jermaine Dye
9. Jason Giambi
10. Travis Hafner

NL CYA

1. Brandon Webb
2. Roy Oswalt
3. Chris Carpenter

AL CYA

1. Johan Santana
2. Roy Halladay
3. John Lackey

NL ROY

1. Ryan Zimmerman
2. Josh Johnson
3. Hanley Ramirez

AL ROY

1. Justin Verlander
2. Kenji Johjima
3. Nick Markakis

NL MOY

1. Jerry Narron
2. Willie Randolph
3. Joe Girardi

AL MOY

1. Jim Leyland
2. Ron Gardenhire
3. Ken Macha

[geezer]

My 2006 MLB Awards:

American League:

AL Rookie of the Year: Justin Verlander, Detriot Tigers
AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland, Detroit Tigers
AL Cy Young Award: Johan Santana, Minnesota Twins
AL Most Valuable Player: Derek Jeter, New York Yankees

National League:

NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla, Florida Marlins
NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi, Florida Marlins
NL Cy Young Award: Roy Oswalt, Houston Astros
NL Most Valuable Player: Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies

[NewYork NewYork]

I already sent in my full list to The Commish but here are my winners...



American League:

AL Rookie of the Year: Justin Verlander, Detriot Tigers
AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland, Detroit Tigers
AL Cy Young Award: Johan Santana, Minnesota Twins
AL Most Valuable Player: Derek Jeter, New York Yankees

National League:

NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Zimmerman, Washington Nationals
NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi, Florida Marlins
NL Cy Young Award: Chris Carpenter, St. Louis Cardinals
NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals

[NewYork NewYork]

When is voting going to be closed?

[Gashouse6]

AL MVP:
1. David Ortiz, BOS
2. Frank Thomas, OAK
3. Derek Jeter, NYY
4. Joe Mauer, MIN
5. Jermaine Dye, CHI
6. Justin Morneau, MIN
7. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
8. Travis Hafner, CLE
9. Michael Young, TEX
10. Johnny Damon, NYY

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols, STL
2. Miguel Cabrera, FLA
3. Lance Berkman, HOU
4. Ryan Howard, PHI
5. Garrett Atkins, COL
6. Carlos Beltran, NYM
7. Freddy Sanchez, PIT
8. Andruw Jones, ATL
9. Matt Holliday, COL
10. David Wright, NYM

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, MIN
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Chien-Ming Wang, NYY

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Carpenter, STL
2. Aaron Harang, CIN
3. Carlos Zambrano, CHI

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, DET
2. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
2. Chris Duncan, STL
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, DET
2. Joe Torre, NYY
3. Ron Gardenhire, MIN

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, FLA
2. Willie Randolph, NYM
3. Jerry Narron, CIN

[ChrisLDuncan]

Originally Posted by racosun

AL MVP:
1. Carlos Guillen, Detroit
2. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
3. David Ortiz, Boston
4. Manny Ramirez, Boston
5. Derek Jeter, New York
6. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
7. Frank Thomas, Oakland
8. Alex Rodriguez, New York
9. Jim Thome, Chicago
10. Travis Hafner, Cleveland

NL MVP:
1. Carlos Beltran, New York
2. Albert Pujols, St. Louis
3. Ryan Howard, Philad

elphia
4. David Wright, New York
5. Miguel Cabrera, Florida
6. Jose Reyes, New York
7. Chase Utley, Philadelphia
8. Jason Bay, Pittsburgh
9. Lance Berkman, Houston
10. Carlos Delgado, New York (no, not a Mets fan)

AL Cy Young:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Johan Santana, Minnesota
3. Kenny Rogers, Detroit

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Young, San Diego
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Roger Clemens, Houston

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Joe Torre, New York

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Tony LaRussa, St. Louis

I'm sure I mixed up a little bit, and I probably forgot a deserving vote or two, but this is what I submitted to The Commish as my official BBF vote. The easiest vote for me to make was Jim Leyland for AL Manager of the Year. Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide. The toughest call to make was for NL MVP. I went with Carlos Beltran over Albert Pujols, mainly because the Mets were a much stronger team than the Cardinals, plus he was a fantasy stud for me this season after I picked him up on the cheap. I reward my players, yes. lol

HOMER!!!!!!!

[EvanAparra]

Originally Posted by Gashouse6

AL MVP:
1. David Ortiz, BOS
2. Frank Thomas, OAK
3. Derek Jeter, NYY
4. Joe Mauer, MIN
5. Jermaine Dye, CHI
6. Justin Morneau, MIN
7. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
8. Travis Hafner, CLE
9. Michael Young, TEX
10. Johnny Damon, NYY

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols, STL
2. Miguel Cabrera, FLA
3. Lance Berkman, HOU
4. Ryan Howard, PHI
5. Garrett Atkins, COL
6. Carlos Beltran, NYM
7. Freddy Sanchez, PIT
8. Andruw Jones, ATL
9. Matt Holliday, COL
10. David Wright, NYM

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, MIN
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Chien-Ming Wang, NYY

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Carpenter, STL
2. Aaron Harang, CIN
3. Carlos Zambrano, CHI

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, DET
2. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
2. Chris Duncan, STL
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, DET
2. Joe Torre, NYY
3. Ron Gardenhire, MIN

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, FLA
2. Willie Randolph, NYM
3. Jerry Narron, CIN

Why do you have Papelbon 7th in the MVP, but Verlander above him in RofY

[Ytown Tribe fan]

Now, now ... it is perfectly reasonable to have Verlander ahead of Santana on your AL CYA ballot. After all, Verlander bested Santana in the all-important Shutouts category, 1-0.

In fact, I'm considering changing my ballot to list Jake Westbrook first, since he had TWO shutouts.

[mtortolero]

AL MVP:
1. Derek Jeter, NYY
2. Joe Mauer, MIN
3. Carlos Guillen, Det
4. Travis Hafner, CLE
5. Justin Morneau, MIN
6. Jermaine Dye, CHI
7. David Ortiz, BOS
8. Frank Thomas, OAK
9. Johan Santana
10. Johnny Damon, NYY

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols, STL
2. Carlos Beltran, NYM
3. Miguel Cabrera, FLA
4. Ryan Howard, PHI
5. Lance Berkman, HOU
5. Jose Reyes, MYM
6. Alfonso Soriano, WAS
7. Andruw Jones, ATL
8. Chase Utley, PHI
9. Nomar Garciaparra, LAD
10. Adrian Gonzalez, SDP

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, MIN
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Roy Halladay, Tor

NL Cy Young:
1. Brandon Webb, Ari
2. Chris Carpenter, STL
3. Carlos Zambrano, CHI

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, DET
2. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, DET
2. Ken Macha, Oak
3. Ron Gardenhire, MIN

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, FLA
2. Willie Randolph, NYM
3. Bruce Bochy, SDP

[johncap]

AL MVP:
1. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
2. David Ortiz, Boston
3. Derek Jeter, New York
4. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
5. Frank Thomas, Oakland

NL MVP:
1. Ryan Howard, Phillies
2. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
3. Lance Berkman, Astros
4. Jose Reyes, Mets
5. Paul LoDuca, Mets

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Kenny Rogers, Tiger
3. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
2. Tom Glavine, Mets
3. Derek Lowe, Dodgers

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota
2. Justin Verlander, Detroit
3. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston


NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, Nats
2. Dan Uggla, Marlins
3. Hanley Ramirez, Marlins

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Marlins