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10-06-2006, 12:18 PM
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Trade Travis Hafner?
Should the Tribe do it??? His trade value is off the charts right now. I think they should do it if they can get a young ace pitcher and a solid position player with lead off speed. Don't get me wrong Sizemore is a good player, but he's too good to lead off better to stick him in the 2 or 3 hole if you ask me. If they Tribe can trade Hafner to the Angels for Jerod Weaver or Ervin Santana and get Chone Figgins too, I'd say that'd be a good trade.
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#2
10-06-2006, 01:01 PM
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Short answer - No. The team just didn't do that well once Hafner was out of the lineup.
Long answer: I can actually see a set of circumstances were trading Hafner is not as bizzarre and stupid a concept as it might seem (allowing Maritinez, Garko and possibly Kouz to split first and DH) , but his inability to play first base, combined with the fact that he is probably more valuable to the Indians then to the team picking him up in a trade would make him extremely hard, if not impossible, to get a fair deal for.... You mention the Angels for Weaver or Santana and Figgins - honestly from the Indians perspective if you deal with the Angels and don't get one of their middle infield prospects then the deal is an incomplete deal, but i don't think the Angels would want to give up anymore than what you suggested (when i first discovered this board a Tigers fan and i played lets pretend we are GMs - and he wanted to trade for Hafner - i wanted Omar Infante and two of Verlander, Zumaya and Granderson - i forget where he was but we were no where close to agreeing on anything - i suspect any trade discussion of Hafner would go something like that - Shapiro wanting x, y & z and the other team saying two of x, y or z)
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10-06-2006, 01:32 PM
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If the Indians are going to trade anyone it'll most likely be Martinez not Hafner.
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10-06-2006, 01:40 PM
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"he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g
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10-06-2006, 01:42 PM
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But pitchers are more hit or miss. Hafner is going to tear the cover off the ball for years to come. I stay stick with pronk.
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10-06-2006, 01:44 PM
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That is true, however Cleveland needs to do SOMETHING so that they can stay competitive in the AL Central.
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"he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g
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10-06-2006, 01:47 PM
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They can't always sign a bat like Hafner - those are once in a generation type players....
Everyone's problem is pitching - but i have a feeling the Angels are saving Santana and Figgins to make a run at ARod - and if they do that then they really aren't going to care much about adding Hafner.... Still if push came to shove, i was Shapiro and the Angels GM Bill Stoneman called me and said, " Santana or Weaver, Kendrick and Figgins for Hafner and a minor leaguer " i would at least consider it (Keep in mind though with the average Indian fan - the idea of trading Hafner would be tantamount to mutiny - reinforcing, in their minds at least, the concept that Dolan can't affoard to keep anyone.) Quote:
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10-06-2006, 01:48 PM
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they need a closer now, carmona isnt going to cut it.
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#9
10-06-2006, 01:58 PM
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1) Bullpen 2) Bullpen 3) Bullpen 4) 2b - depending on the succes of Trevor Crowe moving to second in the Fall League its either going to be a trade for a long term solution, or a sign of a short term solution 5) Bullpen 6) a bat - probably an OF (again this is depending on what happens to Trevor Crowe - if he doesnt make it as a second baseman then there is a shot Crowe could be playing for the Indians next season meaning the need for a bat in the OF lessens dramatically) 7) Bullpen 8) upgrade to starting pitching oh and did i mention Bullpen?
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10-06-2006, 07:46 PM
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Look at the Mets ... their bullpen is a bunch of spare parts. We have some guys who can start and our bullpen issues were simple bad luck this year. Last year, the bullpen was our strength, and it was sheer good luck. Next year, if he can move out of his own way a lil better, pronk will still be hitting the hell out of the ball, if they even pitch to him. I'm way more concerned with out lack of defense up the middle (except for CF), than our bullpen problems. Guys like Luna have no business even being in the majors.
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10-06-2006, 08:17 PM
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10-08-2006, 01:31 PM
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NO they should absolutely not ,because he is the heart of the Tribe's lineup and they would not get an equal valued player in return .
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10-09-2006, 08:43 PM
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I agree that the bullpen is what needs work. Depending on how he develops, Crowe should be up in 2008 at 2nd. We can live with an Inglet type for a season. Hafner was the most valuable player in the AL in my opinion. The starting staff is fine, and in reality is starting to look up with the performances of CC. Westbrook had a good second half and we'll get a full season of Sowers to go along with Lee. Plus, Miller might be able to make the main roster by mid-season. Plus, Hafner's locked into a cheap contract.
DO NOT TRADE HAFNER EVER!!!
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10-10-2006, 06:02 AM
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10-10-2006, 07:13 AM
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Crowe is not finished at 2nd!
Crowe is going to start at 2nd in the Arizona Fall League that starts today, so don't write this off yet. No one can expect a player to move from the outfield to 2nd in one week.
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#17
10-10-2006, 08:15 AM
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Do you have a link for that?
Because i based my comment on this: http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?C...ID=312125&r=22 Quote:
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10-10-2006, 09:19 AM
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10-10-2006, 12:37 PM
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No problem.
Thats a benefit of an internet community like this - its hard for one person to keep ontop of all of this stuff. But thats why i think solving 2nd base became a higher priority now - with Crowe possibly being in the big leagues as early as this year, adding a bat to LF just isn't that necessary.
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#20
10-11-2006, 04:07 PM
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.....the whole point of that thread is people overvalueing their better stars and perhaps the other side undervalueing them? Making people sugest things that are entirely unlikely in the "trading" world. From the outside looking in, I would doubt the Angels would take either trade...Maybe Sanatana and a minor leaguer? Although, teams are reluctant to give up quality starters...even for a stud like Hafner. You are likely looking at top shelf minor league talent (1-3 guys a stud farm pitcher, and a couple position players or 2 stud farm pitchers) and perhaps an average everyday player (someone to fill an immediate need). Besides, all that you fellows need to do is make and convert a play for the bigger 2 guns out there (Zito, Schmidt) and hope CC stays healthy and you are right back in there....spot your closer, until you see who is out there and out of the race, you could grab sometime in August (like the ATL did with Wickman)....there you go. With your line up giving even a lesser starter 2-4 extra wins.....just think what it would give a stud? 3-5 W....4-6 W?
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#21
10-18-2006, 09:04 PM
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Santana and a minor leaguer for Hafner?
Well your point about teams overvaluing their own stars could be a correct one - but in this case i think Hafner just has more value to the Indians then he would to anyteam wanting to trade for him (& the nose dive the team took offensively after Hafner was sidelined for the year is a prime example).... BTW - good luck in the series!!!
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