Recent swings

[hiddengem]

Here are some Recent swings from the past few weeks. Thought I'd put them up here so Tom could tell us how bad they are.

Here are a couple of HR's from the same night.
Change Up

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[hiddengem]

Here is a Home Run that traveled about 410 to left center. This guy is a great hitter with a ton of power to all fields.

[Comm]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

Here are some Recent swings from the past few weeks. Thought I'd put them up here so Tom could tell us how bad they are.

Here are a couple of HR's from the same night.
Change Up

Slider, Middle/down

I see good rotation, however, it breaks down...... It also seems that his arms are pushing at the ball into a V. It could just be that he was fooled by a pitch.

[Comm]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

Here is a Home Run that traveled about 410 to left center. This guy is a great hitter with a ton of power to all fields.

Awesome rotation, keeping behind the ball and rotating around an axis.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by Comm

I see good rotation, however, it breaks down...... It also seems that his arms are pushing at the ball into a V. It could just be that he was fooled by a pitch.

Yeah right. He got fooled and hit it out of the park. Geez!

He's not pushing the bat. His front arm extended because the pitch was low. The extension was very late. The angular momentum was already generated by his excellent act of keeping the hands near his back shoulder and the 90 degree bat/forearm angle for a long time before he extended the forearm into the ball. Also, you may note that the weight is off of his back foot at contact, meaning he rotated all of his weight into the ball.

If he was fooled so much that he pushed the bat as you say, I guarantee the ball would not have gone out of the park.

I've seen him hit a 5o mph BP pitch 420 feet to left center. I doubt that he pushes the bat.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by Comm

Awesome rotation, keeping behind the ball and rotating around an axis.

Yep, and the force from his rotation moved all of his weight onto the front foot. Note that his back foot is unweighted at ball contact.

[Ohfor]

You can't have it both ways Jim.

These two swings are vastly different.

One is very high level. The other has a flaw.

[Mark H]

Arms do look odd but I count a four frame swing.

[tominct]

Originally Posted by jbooth

Yep, and the force from his rotation moved all of his weight onto the front foot. Note that his back foot is unweighted at ball contact.

PLease, some clarification...

Unweighted menas NOT weighted correct? That would mean 0% weighted, no weight whatsoever on the back foot....like this:

http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/...4&w=4&x=0&p=17

I don't see anythign like this in Crust's clip.

Now, perhaps I am playing a semantics game here, but everyone is so very literal here, I might as well be too. From your post Jim I would assume that you belvie an UNweighted back foot is preferable to having any weight on it. Should we therefore teach our kids to hit in the manner of Roberto Clemente?

Tom

[tominct]

Well, I was meaning to copy the link to the Clemente clip. I guess I did something wrong.

Tom

[Ohfor]

Watch that rear foot really really closely.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by Ohfor

You can't have it both ways Jim.

These two swings are vastly different.

One is very high level. The other has a flaw.

They are different, and HG's is not "perfect", but he hit it out of the park, so what's the beef? And they are NOT, "VASTLY" different. They are more alike than you seem to understand.

You seem to think that there is only ONE way to apply enough forces to the ball, to get it out of the park. You are wrong.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by tominct

PLease, some clarification...

Unweighted menas NOT weighted correct? That would mean 0% weighted, no weight whatsoever on the back foot....like this:

http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/...4&w=4&x=0&p=17

I don't see anythign like this in Crust's clip.

Now, perhaps I am playing a semantics game here, but everyone is so very literal here, I might as well be too. From your post Jim I would assume that you belvie an UNweighted back foot is preferable to having any weight on it. Should we therefore teach our kids to hit in the manner of Roberto Clemente?

Tom

You can try to understand the function or you can debate semantics. Sure his back foot has contact with the ground so it isn't 100% unweighted. I would venture that 99.99999% of the forces moving during rotation are being applied to his front foot. Should you teach to hit like Clemente? Why not, it worked for him.

There are a LOT of ways to hit the ball, you need to understand the underlying, important functions. There are several ways to swing, and there are many cues, and methods that can be used to accomplish any of the methods. Until you understand what the important things are, and that there are more than one way to execute them, you will not be the best teacher you can be.

[Ohfor]

Originally Posted by jbooth

They are different, and HG's is not "perfect", but he hit it out of the park, so what's the beef? And they are NOT, "VASTLY" different. They are more alike than you seem to understand.

You seem to think that there is only ONE way to apply enough forces to the ball, to get it out of the park. You are wrong.

Oh Boy....Here comes the cookie cutter argument. The "there is only one way" accusation...........even though their is no evidence of such.

Is this what they call a "straw man" arugment?

[hiddengem]

Originally Posted by Comm

I see good rotation, however, it breaks down...... It also seems that his arms are pushing at the ball into a V. It could just be that he was fooled by a pitch.

What you guys need to realize is the only thing you are learning around here for the most part, is how to execute a swing that is perfect on a fastball perfectly timed. That is very evident by this comment and Richards. Jim(jbooth) is the one person around here that sees the big picture.

If I were to have just continued on with the rotation in these swings and not extended my hands and arms through these balls I would have simply hit a 17 hopper to 3rd base and or missed the ball completely. I find it funny that because of the good adjustment I made on these pitches, you say they are flaws.

Custs homerun was a fastball about 92 middle away. Go figure.

[hiddengem]

This was a 92mph fastball up and in a bit that I hit off the left center wall.

[Jake83]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

This was a 92mph fastball up and in a bit that I hit off the left center wall.

Keep your weight back and drive. Perfect example.

[Ohfor]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

...If I were to have just continued on with the rotation in these swings and not extended my hands and arms through these balls I would have simply hit a 17 hopper to 3rd base and or missed the ball completely....

Unless of course, you tilted over and were able to rotate to those locations.

Keep up the good work.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by Jake83

Keep your weight back and drive. Perfect example.

Please clarify "keep your weight back"

His back foot is dragging on his toe at contact. His upper body mass is "back" (centered between his feet), but the weight is and all the force from momentum of rotation is on his front foot.

[LClifton]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

Jim(jbooth) is the one person around here that sees the big picture

I agreed with your hand strength comment.
In essence agreed with the "flat thru contact" argument.
And Jim is the "ONLY" one huh?
I personally think Jim is a student of the swing and a teacher of the swing,,,And I believe he does a good job at it.
But he is not the only one that sees the big picture.

LClifton

[Ohfor]

Originally Posted by hiddengem

This was a 92mph fastball up and in a bit that I hit off the left center wall.

Where is the tilt in any of these swings?

This swing is much better.

But, watch your shoulder rotation stop to allow the arms/hands to take over.

Compare your shoulder rotation to that of Cust..........or Bonds.........or Pujols.........or Manny.

The type of shoulder rotation you see from the other guys is quicker which allows another frame or two of read time. They hit the ball deeper than you do. Their shoulders go to contact ahead of the hands. Yours (shoulders) are behind them (hands). Their body is inside the swing arc. Yours is behind it. Their axis of rotation is like a merry go round's axis. Yours is like gear A turning gear B. Yours is like your hands pushing the merry go round.

Don't take my efforts in the wrong way. I'm thrilled to know you. I'm trilled to be able to talk hitting with you. I'm pulling for you.

I also recognize why you may not want to change things.

[Ohfor]

Check out Cust's hands and how they are almost "at his rear hip" at launch and they move to the ball with the rear hip. This is the ultimate connection.

This is also a key to both timing and hitting the ball deep.

Have you ever stood next to a catcher catching a pitcher in the bullpen? I imagine the answer is yes. Time your rear hip to ball arrival. Whether he throws a fastball, a changeup or any other pitch, it's easy to time with your rear hip.

Learn to fasten your hands there like Cust, and let the hip bring them around and you'll feel a tremendous ability to adjust to all the pitches.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by LClifton

I agreed with your hand strength comment.
In essence agreed with the "flat thru contact" argument.
And Jim is the "ONLY" one huh?
I personally think Jim is a student of the swing and a teacher of the swing,,,And I believe he does a good job at it.
But he is not the only one that sees the big picture.

LClifton

I don't mean to speak for him, but I don't think he meant LITERALLY that I am the ONLY one. I think he was frustrated by the ignorance of some people who frequent this board, and that he meant; of the people he has spoken to and/or interacted with personally and/or privately from this board, I am high on the list of those that he thinks see the whole picture.

Yes, I am a student and teacher and I believe I have now gotten an understanding of the swing, that is beyond that of many here who seem to think they know it all.

[Ohfor]

Originally Posted by jbooth

...And they are NOT, "VASTLY" different...

If they aren't vastly different then HG should be able to do what Cust does and Cust should be able to do what HG does.

I say the over/under on each being able to swing like the other is 5 years.

These swings are vastly different.

Before you crown yourself "king of the hill" I suggest you still can't determine rotation from the center when you see it. And, that doesn't surprise me.

When one rotates from the center properly and the other does not, that is VASTLY different.

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by Ohfor

Unless of course, you tilted over and were able to rotate to those locations.

Keep up the good work.

Why does he have to tilt, when his way got the job done? He didn't hit a 17 hopper, he hit a HR. He may also have hit a HR by doing what you say, but who cares when it scores a run?

Ted Williams never tilted the way you say hitters must and he did alright. There's more than one way to achieve the same result.

There are certain things that if done, and not changed, guarantee failure, but there are more than one way to achieve success.