Gil Hodges

[Brownie31]

Like everyone else, I too strongly favor Gil Hodges being elected to the Hall of Fame in 2007. However, the fact that Hodges with all of his accomplishments has not already been a member of the HOF for many years is yet another indictment of the low & shabby schweinhund that make up the MLB establishment. The man was the star firstbaseman on 7 pennant winners & 2 World Champions in addition to having managed a World Series winner with a team that had previously existed strictly as the punchline of jokes on TV shows. He is also widely remembered as a decent & honorable person. The same crowd that snubs Hodges keeps a major league team out of a wonderful market like Brooklyn. Brownie31

[runningshoes]

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

[Brownie31]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

If Gil Hodges is borderline, what is Bruce Sutter? The debate will continue until Hodges gets in! Brownie31

[runningshoes]

He may well get. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it if he does.

I agree Sutter was borderline. I've never agreed with the voting process and Hodges may well ride it's inherint flaws into Cooperstown.

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

He may well get. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it if he does.

I agree Sutter was borderline. I've never agreed with the voting process and Hodges may well ride it's inherint flaws into Cooperstown.

What don't you like about the voting process.

[zman]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

And that's why I've come to believe that the highest honor a ballplayer can receive is to be enshrined in the hearts and minds of his fans. If it pleases the H.O.F to believe it is the final arbiter of greatness, so be it. The heart considers a wider scope of information. Its judgement isn't restricted by statistical measurement nor is it's judgement skewed by consensus of opinion. Election into the The Hall of Fame is a great honor but not the greatest. The memory of Gil Hodges resides in a far holier shrine.

[runningshoes]

Originally Posted by kramer_47

What don't you like about the voting process.

For starters, the writers should have to justify who they pick, and for that matter, they should also have to justify who they don't pick.

Too complicated, too time consuming?.......too bad.

I read Bob Elliot's article in the Toronto Sun this past election: He doesn't have a clue..and he gets a vote..can he be the only one?

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

For starters, the writers should have to justify who they pick, and for that matter, they should also have to justify who they don't pick.

Too complicated, too time consuming?.......too bad.

I read Bob Elliot's article in the Toronto Sun this past election: He doesn't have a clue..and he gets a vote..can he be the only one?

See alot of these guys don't have a clue, maybe they let their prejudices towards certain players and cities get in the way of good judgement. Then you got the veterans committee most have big egos and feel they're in the exclusive club and want no one else in their club. What other method should be used to elect the worthy to the HOF.

[runningshoes]

Originally Posted by kramer_47

See alot of these guys don't have a clue, maybe they let their prejudices towards certain players and cities get in the way of good judgement. Then you got the veterans committee most have big egos and feel they're in the exclusive club and want no one else in their club. What other method should be used to elect the worthy to the HOF.

There's no perfect way to do it, but If I have to choose between the lesser of the two evils, I'll go with former players and managers making the call.

I don't necessarily think Hall members should comprise the committee 100%. They're could be a split with maybe 20 to 25% of the committee coming from the ranks of the many to keep the few honest.

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

There's no perfect way to do it, but If I have to choose between the lesser of the two evils, I'll go with former players and managers making the call.

I don't necessarily think Hall members should comprise the committee 100%. They're could be a split with maybe 20 to 25% of the committee coming from the ranks of the many to keep the few honest.

Some of these HOFers are so arrogant I think they will have to change it. I think your suggestion of former players mixed with some writers,annoucers
and some HOFers is good for the initial ballot. Then have a different group of similar people for the veterans committee.

[DODGER DEB]

Here is GIL'S Bowman 1949 Card....

From an eBay listing.

c.

[bhss89]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

You mean "borderline at best" like this HoF inductee?
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...oerr_Bobby.htm

Doerr: 14 seasons/.288 BA/223 HR/1247 RBI - 10 All-Star appearances
Hodges: 18 seasons/.273 BA/370 HR/1274 RBI - 8 All-Star appearances, 3-time Gold Glover, '69 MLB Manager of the Year

According to their teammates, both were great guys, great family men, and true "ballplayers". I would say that their stats are comparable. Hodges certainly had more post season success, but that may be due to Boston having to compete with the Yankees.


If Gil Hodges makes the HoF next year through election by the Vets Committee, it will not be due to the "inherent flaws" of the voting process, but simply because the Committee members finally came to their senses and gave recognition to a player that has earned it many times over.

[bhss89]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

You mean "borderline at best" like this HoF inductee?
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...oerr_Bobby.htm

Doerr: 14 seasons/.288 BA/223 HR/1247 RBI - 10 All-Star appearances
Hodges: 18 seasons/.273 BA/370 HR/1274 RBI - 8 All-Star appearances, 3-time Gold Glover, '69 MLB Manager of the Year

According to their teammates, both were great guys, great family men, and true "ballplayers". I would say that their stats are comparable. Hodges certainly had more post season success, but that may be due to Boston having to compete with the Yankees.


If Gil Hodges makes the HoF next year through election by the Vets Committee, it will not be due to the "inherent flaws" of the voting process, but simply because the Committee members finally came to their senses and gave recognition to a player that has earned it many times over.

[runningshoes]

Originally Posted by bhss89

You mean "borderline at best" like this HoF inductee?
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...oerr_Bobby.htm

Doerr: 14 seasons/.288 BA/223 HR/1247 RBI - 10 All-Star appearances
Hodges: 18 seasons/.273 BA/370 HR/1274 RBI - 8 All-Star appearances, 3-time Gold Glover, '69 MLB Manager of the Year

According to their teammates, both were great guys, great family men, and true "ballplayers". I would say that their stats are comparable. Hodges certainly had more post season success, but that may be due to Boston having to compete with the Yankees.


If Gil Hodges makes the HoF next year through election by the Vets Committee, it will not be due to the "inherent flaws" of the voting process, but simply because the Committee members finally came to their senses and gave recognition to a player that has earned it many times over.

Sorry, but you're assuming I wear my heart on my sleeve like a lot of baseball fans, but you would be wrong. I don't care if he played for the Red Sox; if he didn't earn it, he doesn't belong.

Two wrongs don't make a right and if being a great a guy and a great family man wrote tickets to the hall of fame, construction permits would be inundating the desks of city planners in Cooperstown.

[bhss89]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

Sorry, but you're assuming I wear my heart on my sleeve like a lot of baseball fans, but you would be wrong. I don't care if he played for the Red Sox; if he didn't earn it, he doesn't belong.

Two wrongs don't make a right and if being a great a guy and a great family man wrote tickets to the hall of fame, construction permits would be inundating the desks of city planners in Cooperstown.

Thanks for making my point for me: Players like Doerr (BoSox or not) don't belong in the HoF if players like Hodges are not inducted. I chose Doerr because I assumed your avatar makes you a BoSox fan. What type of BoSox fan, I've no idea. I don't blindly think that every decent Dodger from the past should be inducted simply because I bleed Dodger Blue; but Gil Hodges, for what he did on the field and as a manager, belongs in the HoF. I included the comments about the two players' personalities only because of what I read about Doerr and because I recently met some of Hodges' relatives and heard first-hand accounts of the way he interacted with family, friends, and fans. I don't remember saying the Gil Hodges belongs in the HoF because he was a nice guy. His statistics and performance with the '69 Amazin' Mets warrant his induction alone. The fact that he wasn't an ass like so many other HoFers (and some who think they should be in) is simply icing on the cake.
If Doerr being in the HoF is a "wrong", then inducting Hodges in '07 wouldn't be committing another "wrong", but rather "righting a wrong committed in the past".
And of course, you know as a passionate fan and student of the game, the list of non-deserving players that are in the HoF goes on and on . . .

[bhss89]

Originally Posted by runningshoes53

We just had this debate.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38547

He's borderline at best.

Who's "we"? You didn't post in that thread.

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by bhss89

Who's "we"? You didn't post in that thread.

He meant we just had the debate in this forum and in the HOF forum. You will find out real quick if you read the threads on Gil Hodges(put it in search) that there are many keepers of the HOF gate here. Some are so against Gil getting in that if Gil does get in they will probably go to Cooperstown and protest the HOF induction ceremony.

[DODGER DEB]

You can copy and paste these to your emails...

From acmedodgers.com

c.

[DODGER DEB]

This is straight from the Hall of Fame regarding Veteran thinking for 2007:

"The Veterans Committee (comprised of Hall of Famers, Frick winners, Spink winners, and former Veterans Committee members) next votes in JANUARY 2007, when they will review a list of between 25-30 players....Managers, umpires and executives will also be reviewed in 2007...The Historical Overview Committee will pare the ballots from all eligible candidates down to 200 players and 60 managers, umpires and executives in March...Screening Committees will narrow those lists down to 25-30 players and 15 names on the second ballot, during the spring/summer of 2006".

It looks to me that the process has already started, and WE have no idea just where GIL STANDS.

Not to be overlooked (by BROOKLYN DODGER FANS) is the second category, which includes "executives". Heaven help US, but there is a very good chance that the "Big O" will make it into the HOF in this 2007 election....even before GIL! What an injustice that would be!

I, and a few others, are working behind the scenes exploring OUR options for GIL, although I must tell you they are very limited. When WE come up with something viable I will post it, so anyone who wants to get involved can do so.

Point of Information: The HOF 2007 Ceremonies will take place July 27-30.

c.

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by DODGER DEB

This is straight from the Hall of Fame regarding Veteran thinking for 2007:

"The Veterans Committee (comprised of Hall of Famers, Frick winners, Spink winners, and former Veterans Committee members) next votes in JANUARY 2007, when they will review a list of between 25-30 players....Managers, umpires and executives will also be reviewed in 2007...The Historical Overview Committee will pare the ballots from all eligible candidates down to 200 players and 60 managers, umpires and executives in March...Screening Committees will narrow those lists down to 25-30 players and 15 names on the second ballot, during the spring/summer of 2006".

It looks to me that the process has already started, and WE have no idea just where GIL STANDS.

Not to be overlooked (by BROOKLYN DODGER FANS) is the second category, which includes "executives". Heaven help US, but there is a very good chance that the "Big O" will make it into the HOF in this 2007 election....even before GIL! What an injustice that would be!

I, and a few others, are working behind the scenes exploring OUR options for GIL, although I must tell you they are very limited. When WE come up with something viable I will post it, so anyone who wants to get involved can do so.

Point of Information: The HOF 2007 Ceremonies will take place July 27-30.

c.

Gil is 8 votes short I think he can make it on his merits as a player. Ron Santo may get some of the sympathy vote because of his fragile health but there are enough voters that Gil should make it this time despite Joe Morgan. If no one makes it this time they have to revamp the committee again to include some oldtime sports writers I don't know why they didn't include them when they established this committee in 2001. The reason for this is that you have too many holier then thou HOFers like Reggie, Schmidt and Morgan to name a few, who are cut from the same mold as Teddy ballgame and feel if you weren't elected on the first time around by the writers you don't deserve a second chance. They just don't vote and their vote is counted as part of the 75% needed which is completely wrong, They mail their vote in if they vote where the old veterans committee needed to attend a meeting for there vote to count. In 1992 Campy was too sick to attend and Gil lost the vote needed for the 75%, Campy tried to call his vote in but Teddy ballgame wouldn't allow it so Gil missed out by one vote.

[jalbright]

Hodges has been close enough that it would be a shock if he didn't make the ballot for the Veteran's Committee--but the way that Committee is now set up, I really see very little prospect of anyone, no matter how qualified, getting in that way.

Jim Albright

[kramer_47]

Originally Posted by jalbright

Hodges has been close enough that it would be a shock if he didn't make the ballot for the Veteran's Committee--but the way that Committee is now set up, I really see very little prospect of anyone, no matter how qualified, getting in that way.

Jim Albright

Jim you are absolutely right like I said in the post above I think they need to add about 25 oldtime writers who've seen these guys play because Morgan and company think no one is deserving and they are a big clog in the wheel. It would be fair I think to add other people to the veterans committee. That woman that heads the HOF is also deterrent, she likes warm bodies I guess she isn't too happy with negro league vote.