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Old 12-11-2005, 03:08 PM
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How many baseball town are there...really?

I don't mean cities which can support baseball. I mean places where interest in the local baseball team is #1 and everything else does not come close. Off the top of my head, I can only think of four....Boston, New York, and St. Louis. At one time, Cincinnati may have been a baseball town, but I don't know if that is the case. Baltimore USED to be a baseball town, but thanks to Peter Angelos fans care more about the Ravens now. I probably should list L.A., but I suspect the Lakers may have a bigger hold on people's hearts. Is this list too short or am I too cynical?

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Old 12-11-2005, 03:23 PM
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I think Cincy probably would be a baseball town, if only because the Bengals have been bad for so long (until this year). I'm dead certain that people care more about the Lakers than baseball in LA.

Maybe Houston? Their new football team is pretty lousy and I dunno if the Rockets are as big as they have been. Or Chicago, with the Sox and Cubs rivalling the Bears or Bulls.

I'd say football is probably #1 everywhere else, except Toronto (hockey) and Phoenix/Arizona (basketball).
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Old 12-11-2005, 03:26 PM
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real baseball towns

St. Louis, New York, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, in no particular order. Oh yeah and Seattle.
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Old 12-11-2005, 03:57 PM
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St. Louis, New York, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, in no particular order. Oh yeah and Seattle.
Maybe somebody from Atlanta can contradict me, but I hear fans are more interested in the Falcons. Incidentally, before any Braves fans pummel me, let me frankly admit something. Nats fans turned out in phenomenal numbers to RFK last year, and 2.7 million is amazing considering RFK does not have many of the same conveniences that modern ballparks have, many fans couldn't pick up radio broadcasts, and our games weren't telecast on cable TV. Still, we are light-years behind the Redskins, and I think we may be behind the Wizards, Terps, and Hoyas as well...

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Old 12-11-2005, 07:26 PM
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I don't mean cities which can support baseball. I mean places where interest in the local baseball team is #1 and everything else does not come close. Off the top of my head, I can only think of four....Boston, New York, and St. Louis. At one time, Cincinnati may have been a baseball town, but I don't know if that is the case. Baltimore USED to be a baseball town, but thanks to Peter Angelos fans care more about the Ravens now. I probably should list L.A., but I suspect the Lakers may have a bigger hold on people's hearts. Is this list too short or am I too cynical?

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Boston (and Massachusetts in general) is more of a Red Sox state than a baseball state. The Red Sox are huge, even bigger than the Patriots despite their recent success. As far as just pure love for the sport of baseball, it's not anything that special.
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:32 PM
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If the Patriots are considered in Boston, I would think that Boston is a football town. Off the top of my head I can only think of one place where baseball is big and #1, New York City

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Old 12-11-2005, 09:07 PM
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Los Angeles is THE Baseball town.

Saying LA is not a baseball town is absurd. The Dodgers have consistantly the learder in attendance since their move to LA in 1958 and the Angels have lead the AL in attendace as early as 1966, and from 1978-87 among the top three in AL attendance. Since 2002, the Angels attendace has only been behind the Yankees and Dodgers. The Dodgers drew 3.6 million last season while the Angels drew 3.4 million, that is 8 million peole attending MLB in one market.

Before MLB came to town, the city supported two PCL clubs, the Angels and the Stars and USC was the dominate program in colligiate baseball until the mid 1970s. The local news normally starts with the baseball teams first. LA is and always was a baseball town. How many major leagues come from So Cal?
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If the Patriots are considered in Boston, I would think that Boston is a football town. Off the top of my head I can only think of one place where baseball is big and #1, New York City
Boston itself is not a Red Sox town nor even a Patriots town- it's long been the Bruins and Celtics at top teams.

The general "Boston area" is Patriots country, has been since 1995 or so. The Red Sox are the second team and rising but it is still far away from being the top. Even with the Red Sox making it to the ALCS in 2003 and winning the World Series in 2004, they got overshaddowed by the Patriots.
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L.A. supports winners no matter if it is the Kings , Lakers, Dodgers or whoever
I think that's true of pretty much all of the big cities with multiple teams.


If I am understanding this correctly a "baseball town" would pretty much have to be a city with another sport in it or close by. If that's true then there's really only a few cities that really qualify as a "baseball town"

Cleveland is the first one that comes to mind to me as a "baseball town". Since the old Browns left in 1996 the Indians have been top dog, eclipsing the new Browns and the Cavs...

Atanta is next, but with the recent rise of the Falcons and this past year's stumbling start and recent off season moves that may be changing...

Milwaukee is another, but only due to the Packers not exactly being a "Milwaukee" team...


Alot of the other cities mentioned are more of "sports towns" rather than "baseball towns". The fans love sports and support whatever team is winning like the Lakers or Dodgers in LA, the Giants or the 49ers in San Fransisco, the Yankees or the Jets or the Giants in New York...
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St. Louis, New York, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, in no particular order. Oh yeah and Seattle.
Philly seems to me to be an Eagles town more than anything.
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Old 12-12-2005, 04:22 AM
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I think Cincy probably would be a baseball town, if only because the Bengals have been bad for so long (until this year).
Cincinnati is a big baseball town. Even after a big win over the Steelers, the talk of the town was Casey. It was a front page story before the trade.
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Cincinnati is very much a baseball town. Detroit was for a long time, until the last decade or so.
Atlanta is in SEC country. It's probably more of a college football town than anything.
The one thing that told me Boston is a baseball town is when the Patriots won their first super bowl, the chants were about the Yankees and, ahem, a certain activity they were accused of doing.
How exactly are the LA Kings "winners"?
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:32 AM
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Boston itself is not a Red Sox town nor even a Patriots town- it's long been the Bruins and Celtics at top teams.

The general "Boston area" is Patriots country, has been since 1995 or so. The Red Sox are the second team and rising but it is still far away from being the top. Even with the Red Sox making it to the ALCS in 2003 and winning the World Series in 2004, they got overshaddowed by the Patriots.
It has long been the Celtics and Bruins, but definately not recently.

As for the Patriots, they were the ones who were talking about being overshaddowed by the Red Sox in 2004. There were more people at the Red Sox championship parade then the any of the Patriots.

I think the answer is a town team changes with whos doing well at the time, of course when the Pats were losing they didn't have many fans, like the Celtics and Bruins now, while the Red Sox have ben going pretty strong for over 100 years...
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:40 AM
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It seems that San Francisco may be underrated as a baseball town. I am speaking of right now when the 49ers team is absolutely horrendous and Barry Bonds is playing. I think the interest for a sport usually depends of the success of the city's team in that particular sport, so it changes through time. Of course city's like New York and St.Louis who have known the most successfull teams in the history of the sport are now more carved into the peoples minds and the effect is longer lasting.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:35 AM
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If the Patriots are considered in Boston, I would think that Boston is a football town. Off the top of my head I can only think of one place where baseball is big and #1, New York City
While I agree that NYC is a baseball town, I don't think it meets eddies' criteria of "local baseball team is #1 and everything else does not come close"

Baseball is primary in NY, but football is a close second.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:42 AM
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Once the Detroit Tigers starts winning, we'll be a baseball town again. We we're Hockeytown, but the lockout hurt that. I would say that from what I can see, Detroit is a basketball town for the time being. So many football fans have just been turned off in the last few years (Thanks Matt Millen) so I don't think you can call Detroit a football town.
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Except during the World Cup

Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
San Juan, Puerto Rico
Havana, Cuba

and believe it or not, the Dayton Dragons (AA Reds) sell out their entire stadium on a season ticket basis every single year. They have had 427 consecutive sold out games, and there really isn't a whole heck of a lot else to do in Dayton, Oh.
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First off, the Dragons are Class A. Dayton is more of a college basketball town, believe it or not. On a poll done by the Dayton Daily News, only 25% of fans actually knew the final score of the game.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:57 AM
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First off, the Dragons are Class A. Dayton is more of a college basketball town, believe it or not. On a poll done by the Dayton Daily News, only 25% of fans actually knew the final score of the game.
Thanks for the correction, nascarfn5, I don't follow college hoops until March madness. I incorrectly assumed the Dragons were AA because of their facility (FifthThird), and their attendance. They are consistently in the top 10 of all minor league clubs, and my last trip through town we did the Toledo-Columbus-Dayton long baseball weekend. We had to buy scalper's tickets to see the Dragons, and my fellow traveller thought I was nuts to pay more than face for a minor league game. BTW, Did you see the Durbin v. Lawrence North H.S. game on espn2 last Thursday?
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:20 PM
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How exactly are the LA Kings "winners"?
'Cause we win a lot of games and draw big crowds.
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'Cause we win a lot of games and draw big crowds.
Thank you, Mr. Robitaille. That "a lot of games you've won" doesn't translate come playoff time, though. The Lakers and Dodgers have that tradition. I wouldn't so much put the Kings there with the teams that have the hardware. Must be the team nickname.
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The first three are no-brainers: St. Louis, New York and Boston. I think you could make a case for a few others but I'm going to say Chicago because of the undying Cubs fans at Wrigley. And I understand that it's the experience of the park and the drinking and all that but the place is packed all the time and with the ChiSox taking it all this past October, perhaps that will carry over into 2006 and Chicago will cement fourth place on this list. I mean, hey, Chicagoans like their baseball and with that Bears offense, they'll be looking forward to spring training sooner than rather than later.
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Thank you, Mr. Robitaille. That "a lot of games you've won" doesn't translate come playoff time, though. The Lakers and Dodgers have that tradition. I wouldn't so much put the Kings there with the teams that have the hardware. Must be the team nickname.

The Kings get alot of support like the Ducks in ANaheim.

In 93 when the Kings went to the Stanley Cup LA was going crazy for hockey

same as 2003 for the Ducks down in Orange County

Even are soccer temas get huge support and have very high attendance

No city is what you call a real baseball town like what Dallas and Green Bay are for football Montreal and Tornoto are for hockey
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Being the #4 or #5 in team in the LA or NY market is better than being the #1 team in most markets
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