My List of Juiced Players. What's Yours?

[tommydale1]

These are a list of players that I think have used, and benefitted from steroids in recent years. Agree or disagree?

1. McGwire
2. Sosa
3. Bret Boone
4. Bonds
5. Giambi (juicing again?)
6. Palmeiro
7. Juan Gonzalez

McGwire and Giambi are no brainers. If it turns out that Giambi is back on his game through hard work, I'll be very surprised and impressed.

Palmeiro is busted and can't deal with it. It is unfortunate because I liked him,and his stats, a lot before this all happened. Ofcourse maybe we shouldn't be surprised. Do you think the Viagra endorsement was a clue?

Juan Gon and Bret Boone are obvious to me, and I'm surprised that not many people associate them with steroids (maybe you all do,write to let me know). Gonzalez won a minor league batting crown and hit zero homeruns in that season. Four years later, he was hitting 40+ in the bigs. He's a monster that became (suddenly) riddled with health problems. Moreover, from what we know now, he was in the right place at the right time to get involved. It just makes too much sense. As for Boone, he was an average hitter with minimal power (12-20 HR's per season) until he busted out. After all the stuff started circulating about steroids, he becomes injured often and disappears. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Bonds and Sosa are guilty as sin. I'm not against a player working out and getting more powerful...but these two guys changed everything about their games. These two were leadoff hitter early in their careers. They were speedy punchers who had some bat speed and power...but nothing like what we see from them now. Both were very productive late in their careers, and then both got injured and disappeared.

Don't you think that it is odd that Sosa, Bonds, Giambi, and Boone all got injured around the same time, the same time that the steroid story broke. And they find it very hard to shake these injuries and get back to the game. If it was Eckstien, Jeter, and Carl Crawford...maybe I wouldn't be so suspicious. Look at the facts and tell me I'm wrong.

Let's not forget Brady Anderson and Todd Hundley.They were juiced up too. I'm not against anyone having a career year, or a breakout year...but these two guys were 'roided up pretty good.

Tell me what you think...I've been told that I'm wrong before...so it doesn't bother me.If you think I'm right...gimme a Hoorah!!

[Bluesteve32]

I am thinking Brad Fullmer was juiced.

[tommydale1]

Originally Posted by Bluesteve32

I am thinking Brad Fullmer was juiced.

I remember Fullmer as a prospect for the Expos...then he showed up playing for the Angels. Looking at his stats...it's very possible. I don't know whether it was a peak in a lack-luster career, but the 'roids could be involved.

Thanks for throwing a new name in the mix. I thought of another one...Magglio Ordonez. Great numbers for a few seasons, then he disappeared. How about Carl Everett? That would explain his transformatiuon from leadoff hitter to power guy. Might also explain his temper issues.

[sschirmer]

Felix Heredia
Rafael Betancourt
Barry Bonds
Jason Giambi
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Brady Anderson
Bret Boone
Lenny Dykstra
Raffy Palmiero
Brad Fullmer
Ryan Franklin
Alex Sanchez

That should do me, for openers at least.

[Zito75]

Don't forget Edgar Martinez.

[Big_Mac]

fullmer is an interesting one ive never thought of. he had good power in toronto and anaheim and then his numbers dropped off big time. i dont even know where he is now

[OldEnglishD]

Originally Posted by sschirmer

.......

Alex Sanchez

LOL ... still kills me that guy was the first casualty. I almost spit my coffee out when I heard that for the first time. I actually thought it was a joke.

Then I realized that it made sense that it wasn't just for the power hitters using them to bulk up.


So my list, along those lines - could literally be ANYONE !

Call me cynical, but I am suspicious of every single prfessional baseball player. I don't think every single one was a user, but I think the non-users were tolerant of the users and didn't do anything to rid the game of steroids. I suppose there was too much money to be made.

[Dasperp]

Bonds and Sosa are guilty as sin. I'm not against a player working out and getting more powerful...but these two guys changed everything about their games. These two were leadoff hitter early in their careers. They were speedy punchers who had some bat speed and power

Even before Bonds got big and his head grew to about double its previous size he had a lot of power. I don't think he started using until at least the late 90's. I'd say without 'roids he still would have been one of the all-time greats, just not top 5. And in the same vein as Juan Gone, i think Pudge definitely used. He lost a ton of weight this year and most of his power.

[west coast orange and black]

Originally Posted by tommydale1

These are a list of players that I think have used, and benefitted from steroids in recent years...

hey, you forgot tony gwynn:
'82 - 1 hr
'83 - 1
'84 - 5
'85 - 6
'86 - 14 !
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'96 - 3
'97 - 17
'98 - 16
'99 - 10

also, his only two back-to-back over-.500 slugging seasons were when he was 37 and 38 years old!

oldenglish said it best: it could be anyone.

[hudsonharden]

Don't think pitchers don't juice as well.

John Rocker, Kenny Rogers, Billy Koch, and Eric Gagne are all suspect in my mind.

[ndistops]

Bonds
Giambi
(anyone else implicated in the BALCO scandal - Armando Rios, Estalella, Benard, etc.)
McGwire
Big Hurt
B. Boone
Palmeiro
Brady Anderson
Albert Belle
Mo Vaughn (?)
Juan-Gone (?)
Thome (?)
Pat Burrell (?)
Henry Rodriguez (?) - had one 40-homer season for the Cubs in 98 then disappeared

There's probably a lot more I could come up with given enough time but that's one man's 3-minute list.

[Francoeurstein]

I also think Caminiti was juiced....

[Captain Cold Nose]

Originally Posted by HankAaron86

I also think Caminiti was juiced....

Considering he did admit it helped in his rehab, I think that's a safe assumption.

[Sharkeater232]

Originally Posted by Zito75

Don't forget Edgar Martinez.

No he did not. He is friends with Ichiro.

[jpenrod]

What about Brady Anderson? I have heard of career years, but come on!

Big Hurt, NDI? Really?

I want a list of all the players that Ichiro Suzuki is friends with so I can rule them free of suspicion!

How about Pudge Rodriguez?

[Joltin' Joe]

Gary Sheffield

[Astro]

I think the maker of this thread, tommydale1, is on the juice....

[king_ghidora]

Theoretically any player could be on steroids. I just go for the ones who are visually obvious (yes, Giambi is still juicin' like a Jamba Juice) and give a little less suspicion to guys who look more fat than anything (Edgar Martinez, Cecil Fielder). Perhaps I'm being presumptious, but I usually never suspect Japanese players. I can say that my Japanese relatives would just about blow a gasket if they found out I was abusing steroids -- too much honor (and don't give me a bunch of hate for saying that, people).

Bret Boone seems like such an obvious and sad case. The guy had arms bigger than Ichiro's whole body from 2001-2003. Steroids suddenly become and issue and his numbers dwindle to the point where he can't get any major league team to pick him up. He wasn't able to get his career back on track the way Pudge Rodriguez has been able to.

Also, some guys look like they may have done 'roids at one point, but aren't anymore. Take Albert Pujols - come on! Who has arms like that outside of a Pro Wrestling ring? The only others who fill up uniform sleeves like that were Sosa, McGwire, Canseco, and Giambi. His consistency leads me to believe he isn't juicing now, but back in the DR, it seems like a strong possibility. It's like Boone: when I see the arms, I start springing to suspicion. Oh, and one more thing: who out there has ever seen a photo of Jason Giambi from when he was a scrawny Oakland prospect? It's hilarious.

[steveox]

Why havent MLB investigate these players?
Jason Giambi
Manny Ramírez
David Ortiz
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Derrek Lee
Mike Piazza
I think those guys need to be kept an eye on by MLB.

[MyDogSparty]

Originally Posted by king_ghidora

Take Albert Pujols - come on! Who has arms like that outside of a Pro Wrestling ring? ... but back in the DR, it seems like a strong possibility.

Pujols was 15 years old when he was in the DR. He moved to the US when he was 16. (that's assuming his current age is legit) Do you think he was using steroids at that age?

[Oatmeal]

Everyone seems to omit Scott Rolen from the list. Anyone remember what this doughboy used to look like in Philly?

[rainout]

So let me see . . . the consensus seems to be that anyone who has achieved any amount of success in MLB the past 10 years is on steroids.

[ssbguyincognito]

Not true. A-rod and Griffey, for example, are never (and will never) be under suspicion.

The Big Hurt has always been very vocal about being against steroids, and I for one believe him.

While Pujols should be innocent until proven guilty, I'm alwas casting a suspicious eye at him. Because he says he's 25 (even though he's going bald!), and he's HUGE. Compare him at 25 to any other 25 year old out there in the game, or in the world. Pujols is a monster. I'd say he's either a lot older than 25, or juicing, or both.