OB% Lower than batting avg.?

[keving7]

I was watching the Yankees last night and Robinson Cano was listed as having a .333 avg. with a .327 OB%.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how can a batter have a lower OB% than their batting average?

[ElHalo]

Because he hasn't walked yet, but he does have a sac fly/ sac bunt / some other kind of plate appearance that counts as a PA without reaching base but doesn't count as an at bat for BA purposes.

[west coast orange and black]

saw this situation earlier this season for lance niekro of the giants.
a reaped a dog and soda from a few friendly bets.

(niekro's sittin' at .282obp / .274avg right now)

[keving7]

Originally Posted by ElHalo

Because he hasn't walked yet, but he does have a sac fly/ sac bunt / some other kind of plate appearance that counts as a PA without reaching base but doesn't count as an at bat for BA purposes.

Thanks ElHalo,
I always thought OB% was calculated by ABs, not plate appearances.
Now all the stats that I religiously calculated as a kid while playing Strat. have to be redone. Now if I can only remember where I put them???

[bluezebra]

On Base Percentage [OBP or OBA]

(Hits + Walks + Hit-By-Pitch) divided by (At Bats + Walks+ Hit-By-Pitch + Sac Flys)

Bob

[rugbyfreak]

Did you also know that, if you have a hitting streak going, and you walk every time up, your streak is still alive. But if you walk every time but one, and that one is a sac fly, you're done!

[soberdennis]

Originally Posted by keving7

I was watching the Yankees last night and Robinson Cano was listed as having a .333 avg. with a .327 OB%.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how can a batter have a lower OB% than their batting average?

a sacrifice bunt will save a streak a fly won't.

[flash143817]

Has any player played an entire season (with qualifying PA totals) and managed a lower OBP than BA?

[BaseballHistoryNut]

How about batter gets a single, but gets thrown out trying to stretch to a double? That's a single, but does it help your OBP, or will it be treated as an out--as it should--for OBP purposes?

BHN

[Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by BaseballHistoryNut

How about batter gets a single, but gets thrown out trying to stretch to a double? That's a single, but does it help your OBP, or will it be treated as an out--as it should--for OBP purposes?

BHN

no, it is a hit for both ba and obp

[Mad Guru]

Originally Posted by flash143817

Has any player played an entire season (with qualifying PA totals) and managed a lower OBP than BA?

Vince Coleman is the guy who immediately comes to mind for me. When I was a kid I always thought it was neat that he had done that.

[flash143817]

Originally Posted by Mad Guru

Vince Coleman is the guy who immediately comes to mind for me. When I was a kid I always thought it was neat that he had done that.

I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

Ozzie Guillen had a 10 point difference in 1996 and he is the worst walker I can think of off the top of my head.

Perhaps if someone had a list of the worst walking seasons it would be possible to come up with one that had a lower OBP than BA during a season.

[Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by flash143817

I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

Ozzie Guillen had a 10 point difference in 1996 and he is the worst walker I can think of off the top of my head.

Perhaps if someone had a list of the worst walking seasons it would be possible to come up with one that had a lower OBP than BA during a season.

the most ABs where ba=obp for a season was Craig Robinson in 1973, both were .226 in 146 ABs.

The most ABs where BA>obp for a season was Ernie Bowman in 1963. In 125 ABs, he had a .184 ba and .181 obp

[flash143817]

Originally Posted by Brooklyn

the most ABs where ba=obp for a season was Craig Robinson in 1973, both were .226 in 146 ABs.

The most ABs where BA>obp for a season was Ernie Bowman in 1963. In 125 ABs, he had a .184 ba and .181 obp

Thanks. I wish I could figure out those databases enough to look that up for myself.

[Mad Guru]

[quote=flash143817]I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

I was thinking of an OBP<SLG not OBP<BA.

[redsoxfansg]

in 1993 Vince Coleman had a .279 BA and a .316 OBP

[RuthMayBond]

Originally Posted by flash143817

I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

Ozzie Guillen had a 10 point difference in 1996 and he is the worst walker I can think of off the top of my head.

Perhaps if someone had a list of the worst walking seasons it would be possible to come up with one that had a lower OBP than BA during a season.

Why didn't you say so? Rob Picciolo did it TWICE

[flash143817]

Originally Posted by RuthMayBond

Why didn't you say so? Rob Picciolo did it TWICE

Wow a quick look at his stats and his aversion to the walk is amazing. He was like the 70's and 80's version of Jeff Francoeur.

[redsoxfansg]

Piccilo did it in 83 and 84
1983-AB=27 BA=.222 OBP=.214

1984-AB=119 BA=.202 OBP=.200

[flash143817]

Just read that Picciolo holds a record for the most PA's into a season before drawing a walk. He had 268 PA's in 1979 before drawing his first walk.


Francoeur currently has 3 BB's and 226 AB's this year. Could be in line to break that BA/OBP record. He has a .252 BA/.266 OBP so far. If he could just get a sac fly or two he would be right there.

[BaseballHistoryNut]

This is unbelievable. I live in Northern California, but never paid any real attention to Picciolo, beyond knowing he was a terrible hitter and a SS with limited range. But now I'm here looking at his OBP, SLG and range figures, year by year. BA, .234; OBP, .246; "SLG", .312.

And 17 HR in 1,628 AB's.

I realize Bill Bergen has a lock on "worst hitter of all time," but Picciolo might just be the worst hitter who played a meaningful number of years in the second half of the century. Blecchh!

BHN

[Utter Chaos]

Originally Posted by BaseballHistoryNut

This is unbelievable. I live in Northern California, but never paid any real attention to Picciolo, beyond knowing he was a terrible hitter and a SS with limited range. But now I'm here looking at his OBP, SLG and range figures, year by year. BA, .234; OBP, .246; "SLG", .312.

And 17 HR in 1,628 AB's.

I realize Bill Bergen has a lock on "worst hitter of all time," but Picciolo might just be the worst hitter who played a meaningful number of years in the second half of the century. Blecchh!

BHN

Ray Oyler would definitely give him some competition!

[BaseballHistoryNut]

You're right. Your boy is ahead by 12 points in OBP, but behind by a staggering 61 points in slugging, and with these two clowns, 61 points is a TON.

[flash143817]

The miracle is that Ray Oyler actually has decent BB totals. What pitcher in their right mind is throwing balls to this guy?

[BaseballHistoryNut]

One who wants to be fined $1,000 and run a whole lot of laps?