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07-02-2004, 10:15 PM
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All-Time Black Team, A & B
Anyone care to share your all-time Black teams, A & B?
And please don't forget to post your teams on our other Documention Thread, 'Member's Official Opinions' --- http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38137 Thanking you in advance for your participation---Bill A Team: 1B - Buck Leonard; 2B - Jackie Robinson; SS - John Henry Lloyd; 3B - Oliver Marcell; LF - Barry Bonds; CF - Oscar Charleston: RF - Willie Mays, Christobal Torriente; C - Josh Gibson and Biz Mackay; P - Bob Gibson, Pedro Martinez, "Smokey Joe" Williams, "Satchel" Paige, "Bullet Joe" Rogan, John Donaldson and Willie Foster; Utility IF - Sam Bankheart; Utility OF - Martin Dihigo, Monte Irvin, Ken Griffey, Jr.; Coaches - Dizzy Dismukes and Danny McClelland; Manager - Rube Foster B Team: 1B - Ben Taylor; 2B - Bingo DeMoss; 3B - Judy Johnson: SS - Willie Wells: LF - Hank Aaron; CF - Cool Papa Bell; RF - Roberto Clemente; C - Roy Campanella and Bruce Petway; P - Dave Brown, Cannonball Dick Redding, Nip Winters, Dizzy Dismukes and Don Newcombe, Dave Stuart; Utility 1F - John Beckwith, Newt Allen, A. Rodriguez, Ernie Banks; Utility OF - Clint Thomas, Chino Smith, Pete Hill coaches - C.I. Taylor and Dave Malarcher, Manager - Cum Posey. Honorable mentions: Frank Robinson, Gwynn, Morgan, Billy Williams, Bill Madlock, Rod Carew, Ozzie Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Form Chart: C - Roy Campanella, Elston Howard. Negro Leagues: Josh Gibson, James "Biz" Mackay, Bruce Petway, Larry Brown, Frank Duncan, "Double Duty" Radcliffe, Louis "Santop" Loftin, Quincy Trouppe. 1B - Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey, Cecil Cooper, Cecil Fielder, Tony Perez, Eddie Murray, Frank Thomas; Negro Leagues: Buck Leonard, Ben Taylor 2B - Jackie Robinson, Rod Carew, Joe Morgan, Alfonso Soriano; Negro Leagues: Elwood "Bingo" DeMoss SS - Ernie Banks; Negro Leagues: John "Pop" Lloyd, John Beckwith, Willie Wells, 3B - Bill Madlock; Negro Leagues: Judy Johnson, Ray Dandridge, Oliver Marcell LF - Barry Bonds, Ricky Henderson, Billy Williams, Willie Stargell. Negro Leagues: Mule Suttles CF - Willie Mays, Ken Griffey, Jr., Andruw Jones, Torri Hunter, Vada Pinson; Negro Leaguers: Oscar Charleston, "Cool Papa" Bell, Carlos Torriente, Spot Poles, Pete Hill, Martin Dihigo RF - Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Tony Gwynn, Reggie Jackson, Roberto Clemente, Dave Winfield, Tony Oliva, Vlad Guerrero, Sammie Sosa, Daryl Strawberry; Negro Leagues: Monte Irvin, Turkey Stearnes, Pitchers: 1930-1960: Don Newcombe 1960-1980: Juan Marichal, Bob Gibson, Ferguson Jenkins, Luis Tiant, Bob Veale, Al Downing, 1980-Present: Pedro Martinez, Dave Stewart, Mariano Rivera Negro Leagues: Robert Leroy "Satchel" Paige, 1926-1967 "Smokey Joe" Williams, 1905-1932 Wilbur "Bullet Joe" Rogan, 1917-38 "Cannonball" Dick Redding, 1911-38 Dave Brown, 1918-1925 Andrew "Rube" Foster, 1902-1926 Bill Foster, 1923-38 Jose Mendez, 1908-1926 Martin Dihigo, 1923-45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some background Reference Resources: It might serve a purpose to see how many former members of the Negro Leagues have presently been enshrined. 1971 - Satchel Paige --------- Negro L. committee 1972 - Josh Gibson --------- Negro L. committe 1972 - Buck Leonard --------- Negro L. committee 1973 - Monte Irvin ---------- Negro L. committee 1974 - "Cool Papa" Bell -------- Negro L. committee 1975 - Judy Johnson -------- Negro L. committee 1976 - Oscar Charleston ------ Negro L. committee 1977 - Martin Dihigo -------- Negro L. committee 1977 - "Pop" Lloyd -------- Negro L. committee 1981 - Rube Foster - ---------Veterans committee 1987 - Ray Dandridge ---------- Veterans committee 1995 - Leon Day ----------- Veterans committee 1996 - Willie Foster ----------- Veterans committee 1997 - Willie Wells ------------ Veterans committee 1998 - Bullet Joe Rogan --------- Veterans committee 1999 - Smokey Joe Williams ------ Veterans committee 2000 - Turkey Stearns ----------- Veterans committee 2001 - Hilton Smith - -------------Veterans committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. In 1952, the Pittsburgh Courier polled 31 Negro league players, writers, officials and managers and they selected the following team: A Team------------------------B Team 1B - Buck Leonard-----------1B - Ben Taylor 2B - Jackie Robinson---------2B - Bingo DeMoss SS - John Henry Lloyd-------SS - Willie Wells 3B - Oliver Marcell-----------3B - Judy Johnson LF - Monte Irvin-------------LF - Pete Hill CF - Oscar Charleston-------CF - Cool Papa Bell RF - Christobal Torriente----RF - Chino Smith C - Josh Gibson / Biz Mackey-C - Campanella / Bruce Petway P - Smokey Joe Williams------P - Dave Brown P - Satchel Paige------------P - Cannonball Dick Redding P - Bullet Joe Rogan---------P - Nip Winters P - John Donaldson ----------P - Dizzy Dismukes P - Willie Foster-------------P - Don Newcombe Utility OF - Martin Dihigo---Utility 1B - John Beckwith Utility IF - Martin Dihigo----Utility 1B - Newt Allen Utility IF - Sam Banheart---Utility - Clint Thomas Coaches - Dizzy Dismukes--coaches - C. I. Taylor Coaches - Danny McClelland--coaches - Dave Malarcher Manager = Rube Foster-------Manager - Cum Posey -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Pittsburgh Courier, a black newspaper, polled its fans in 1952. Their readers listed the following players into 5 teams: First team: (1B) Buck Leonard, (2B) Jackie Robinson, (SS) Pop Lloyd, (3B) Oliver Marcelle, (OF) Monte Irvin, (OF) Oscar Charleston, (OF) Cristobel Torriente, (C) Josh Gibson, (C) Biz Mackey, (P) Joe Williams, (P) Satchel Paige, (P) Bullet Rogan, (P) John Dondaldson, (P) Bill Foster, (Utility) Martin Dihigo, (Utility) Sam Bankhead, (Mgr) Rube Foster, (Coach) Dizzy Dismukes, (Coach) Danny McClellan. Second Team: (1B) Ben Taylor, (2B) Bingo DeMoss, (SS) Willie Wells, (3B) Judy Johnson, (OF) Pete Hill, (OF) Cool Papa Bell, (OF) Chino Smith, (C) Roy Campanella, (C) Bruce Petway, (P) Dave Brown, (P) Dick Redding, (P) Nip Winters, (P) Dizzy Dismukes, (P) Don Newcombe, (Utility) John Beckwith, (Utility) Newt Allen, (Mgr) Cum Posey, (Coach) C.I. Taylor, (Coach) Dave Malarcher. Third Team: (1B) Jud Wilson, (2B) Bill Monroe, (SS) Dick Lundy, (3B) Jud Wilson, (OF) Rap Dixon, (OF) Larry Doby, (OF) Fats Jenkins, (C) Double Duty Radcliffe, (C) Louis Santop, (P) Slim Jones, (P) Bill Holland, (P) Phil Cockrell, (P) Webster McDonald, (P) Bill Byrd, (Utility) Emmett Bowman, (Utility) Dick Wallace, (Mgr) Ed Bolden. Fourth Team: (1B) Ed Douglas, (2B) George Scales, (SS) Doby Moore, (3B) Ray Dandridge, (OF) Jimmy Lyons, (OF) Mule Suttles, (OF) Spotswood Poles, (C) Frank Duncan, (C) Bill Perkins, (P) Double Duty Radcliffe, (P) Frank Wickware, (P) Danny McClellan, (P) Leon Day, (P) Bill Jackman, (Utility) Rev Cannady, (Utility) Jose Mendez, (Mgr) Vic Harris. Fifth Team: (1B) George Carr, (2B) Bunny Downs, (SS) Pelayo Chacon, (3B) Dave Malarcher, (OF) Frank Duncan, (OF) Turkey Stearnes, (OF) Jelly Gardner, (C) Doc Wiley, (C) Speck Webster, (P) Stringbean Williams, (P) Ray Brown, (P) Rats Henderson, (P) Luis Tiant, (P) Leroy Matlock. Others receiving votes: (1B) Leroy Grant, Mule Suttles; (2B) Nate Harris, Sammy T. Hughes, Frank Warfield, Ray Dandridge, George Wright, Harry Williams; (SS) Gerard Williams, Bobby Williams, Morton Clark; (3B) Bill Francis, Jim Taylor; (OF) Minnie Minoso, Jap Payne, Blaine Hall, Ted Strong, Ted Page, Vic Harris; (P) Jose Mendez, Laymon Yokely. *Some players that weren't listed but could have been: (1B) Buck O'Neil, Red Moore, Steel Arm Davis, George Giles; (2B) Bonnie Serrell; (SS) Jake Stephens; (3B) Alec Radcliffe, Bobby Robinson; (OF) Jumbo Kimbro, Willard Brown, Bill Wright, Neil Robinson, Ducky Davenport; (C) Quincy Trouppe, Larry Brown, Buck Ewing, Pops Coleman; (P) Chet Brewer, Hilton Smith, Barney Brown, Ted Trent, Max Manning, Sug Cornelius, Harry Salmon, Barney Morris; (Mgr) Buck O'Neil, Double Duty Radcliffe, Quincy Trouppe. Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-20-2008 at 02:13 PM. 
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07-12-2004, 03:51 PM
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Mixing the Negro league stars with black MLB players is too confusing for me. I never saw a Negro League game -- not even on TV,
With stats being so meager, most of what we "know" of the Negro league stars is myth, fable and anecdote. All I can offer is my list of star black MLB players: 1B: Eddie Murray 2B: Joe Morgan SS: Ozzie Smith? Ernie Banks? 3B: Bill Madlock LF: Barry Bonds CF: Willie Mays RF: Hank Aaron? Sammy Sosa? C: Roy Campanella P: Bob Gibson I wonder how this team would match up against an all-Hispanic team. That's another group that was excluded from early MLB.
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07-13-2004, 07:26 AM
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with the help of my "relative" Bill James"
P-Paige P-Rogan P-PMartinez P-JWilliams/Hilton Smith C-Gibson 1B-Murray 2B-Morgan 3B-Dandridge SS-Lloyd OF-Mays OF-Charleston OF-Bonds/Stearnes And you KNOW I'd put Dihigo at 2B or something 
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07-13-2004, 03:04 PM
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A very Interesting topic Bill.I must have missed it when you first posted it to the forums.
Team A catcher - Josh Gibson first - Buck Leonard second - Jackie Robinson shortstop - Pop Loyd third - Judy Johnson outfield - Willie Mays outfield - Oscar Charleston outfield - Barry Bonds outfield - Willie Stargell dh - Dave Winfield utility - Martin DiHigo utility - Willie McCovey utility - Roy Campanella utility - Minnie Minoso utility - Jim Rice starting pitcher - Satchel Paige starting pitcher - Pedro Martinez starting pitcher - Juan Marichal starting pitcher - Bob Gibson starting pitcher - Fergie Jenkins relief pitcher - Lee Smith relief pitcher - Smokey Joe Williams relief pitcher - Mariano Rivera relief pitcher - Don Newcombe Team B catcher - Bizz Mackey first - Eddie Murray second - Joe Morgan shortstop - Ozzie Smith third - Oliver Marcelle outfield - Cristobal Torriente outfield - Cool Papa Bell outfield - Roberto Clemente outfield - Frank Robinson dh - Hank Aaron utility - Rickey Henderson utility - Louis Santop utility - Billy Williams utility - Rod Carew utility - Kirby Puckett starting pitcher - Vida Blue starting pitcher - Joe Rogan starting pitcher - Willie Foster starting pitcher - Dave Stewart starting pitcher - Luis Tiant relief pitcher - Jose Mesa relief pitcher - JR Richard relief pitcher - Ted Radcliffe relief pitcher - Don Wilson That's my A & B teams but with more thought I may move some around in the future but this is a good start at my thinking of what I would want on my teams. I tried for a balance on both teams but I know that Team A's pitching is superior but either team would win on a given day. Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-10-2005 at 09:50 PM.
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07-13-2004, 04:30 PM
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I must have missed it as well. Probably thought it was the same "All Time Team A & B" thread as the one that has 5 pages.
I'll echo Appling's word, and say I know barely anything about Negro Leaguers that's factual, but I'll go on word of mouth for some of these. C-Josh Gibson C2-Roy Campanella 1B-Eddie Murray 2B-Jackie Robinson SS-Pop Lloyd 3B-Mad Dog Madlock RF-Frank Robinson CF-Willie Mays LF-Billy Williams DH-Cecil Cooper SP-Juan Marichal SP-Satchel Paige SP-Bob Gibson SP-Fergie Jenkins RP-Lee Smith
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07-18-2004, 04:53 PM
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Hey guys (and girls?),
New guy here. Thought this looked like an interesting thread to jump into. I chose to just give an all negro league team because any chance I have of giving these men the props they deserve, well frankly, I can't resist. Team A 1b- Buck Leonard 2b-Bingo DeMoss SS-Pop Lloyd 3b-Ray Dandridge C-Josh Gibson Of-Oscar Charleston Cristobal Torriente (I know, he's Cuban) Turkey Stearnes P-Bullet Joe Rogan Manager- Rube Foster Team B 1b-Mule Suttles 2b-Sammy T. Hughes SS-Willie Wells 3b-Judy Johnson C- Biz Mackey Of- Cool Papa Bell Monte Irvin Jud Wilson (didn't play much outfield, but had to be on this list somewhere) P-Satchel Paige Manager- Double Duty Radcliffe What I wouldn't give to see a matchup between these teams "come to life". Thanks for an interesting topic. Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-10-2005 at 09:53 PM.
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07-19-2004, 04:32 AM
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All-Time Black Team
Let me offer this first draft. Time is not always a Commodity that is easy to get hold of... but we will prevail...Whatever that means!
1B Buck Leonard 2B Jackie Robinson SS John Henry "Pop" Lloyd 3B Judy Johnson LF Lou Brock ( Suprise, suprise, suprise!) CF Willie Mays RF Roberto Clemente C1 Josh Gibson C2 Roy Campanella SP Satchel Paige SP Bob Gibson SP Leon Day SP William Hendrick "Willie" Foster LR Smokey Joe Williams SR Joe "Bullet" Rogan SR Hilton Smith CL* Andre "Rube" Foster U Ted DD Radcliff U Martin Dihigo U Oscar Charleston U Ernie Banks U Oliver Marcelle. * I'm making Rube Foster a player/manager. Later for the final team.
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05-27-2005, 09:56 PM
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My A Team:
C: Gibson 1B: Leonard 2B: Jackie 3B: Judy Johnson SS: Lloyd OF: Charleston OF: Stearnes OF: Cool Papa Util: Dihigo SP: Smokey Joe SP: Satchel Paige My Great Grandpa's: C: Gibson 1B: Suttles 2B: Bingo DeMoss 3B: Judy Johnson SS: Lloyd OF: Torriente OF: Charleston OF: Stearnes Util: Cool Papa SP: Smokey Joe SP: Satchel Paige Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-10-2005 at 09:55 PM.
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05-28-2005, 10:47 AM
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I'm going to only include those who played MLB, not that those who only played in the Negro Leagues were inferior players, but I honestly don'y know enough beyond the superstars [Gibson, Bell, Leonard] that I would do a diservice to other deserving players.
1B-McCovey 2b-Morgan 3B-J.Robinson SS-Banks LF-F. Robinson CF-Mays RF-Aaron c-Campanella P-Gibson,Martinez, Marichal,Cuellar, Newcombe RP-Paige,Lee Smith
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07-10-2005, 09:56 AM
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C - Biz Mackay, Santop Loftin, Josh Gibson, Bruce Petway, Larry Brown
1B - Buck Leonard, Ben Taylor, Jud Wilson, Ed Douglas, George Car 2B - Bingo DeMoss, Jackie Robinson, Bill Monroe, George Scales, Bunny Downs SS - John Lloyd, Willie Wells, John Beckwith, Dick Lundy, Doby Moore 3B - Judy Johnson, Oliver Marcelle, Ray Dandridge, Dave Malarcher, Bill Francis OF - Irvin, Hill, Suttles, Dihigo, Dixon, OF - Charleson, Bell, Spot Poles, Doby, Gardner OF - Torriente, Chino Smith, Stearns, Jenkins, Payne P - Paige, Williams, Rogan, John Dondaldson, Bill Foster Bill Burgess Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-10-2005 at 10:38 AM.
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07-10-2005, 11:29 AM
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C: Josh Gibson, Roy Campanella
1B: Willie McCovey, Eddie Murray 2B: Joe Morgan, Jackie Robinson SS: Willie Wells, Pop Lloyd (so many good ones - Larkin, Dobie Moore, Banks, The Wizard..) 3B: Bill Madlock, Ray Dandridge (man, that's a weak spot) RF: Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson CF: Oscar Charleston, Willie Mays (sorry, Mr. Griffey) LF: Barry Bonds, Rickey Henderson P: Smokey Joe Williams, Satchel Paige, Bob Gibson, Ferguson Jenkins, Lee Smith, Bill Foster, Bullet Joe Rogan I'm only counting African-Americans (or African-Canadians). Otherwise Cristobal Torriente, Pedro Martinez, Juan Marichal, Martin Dihigo and Jose Mendez would all likely join the list.
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07-10-2005, 08:03 PM
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Bill,
Here's my All-Time Black team, but I am not including hispanics. The term "black" is meant to refer to African-Americans, not dark-skinned hispanics, so I will not include players such as Pedro Martinez and Christobel Torriente. Here is my team: The A team: C-Josh Gibson 1B-Buck Leonard 2B-Joe Morgan 3B-Ray Dandridge SS-Pop Lloyd LF-Barry Bonds CF-Oscar Charleston RF-Hank Aaron SP1-Satchel Paige SP2-Smokey Joe Williams SP3-Bob Gibson SP4-Willie Foster SP5-Ferguson Jenkins RP-Lee Smith The B team C-Biz Mackey 1B-Frank Thomas 2B-Jackie Robinson 3B-Bill Madlock SS-Willie Wells LF-Rickey Henderson CF-Willie Mays RF-Frank Robinson SP1-Joe Rogan SP2-Don Newcombe SP3-Hilton Smith SP4-John Donaldson SP5-Rube Foster Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-10-2005 at 09:38 PM.
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08-25-2005, 07:24 PM
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A Team
C - Josh Gibson 1B - Willie McCovey 2B - Joe Morgan SS - Ernie Banks 3B - Ray Dandridge LF - Barry Bonds CF - Willie Mays RF - Hank Aaron P - Bob Gibson, Satchel Paige, Joe Williams, Fergie Jenkins B Team C - Roy Campanella 1B - Eddie Murray 2B - Jackie Robinson SS - Pop Lloyd 3B - Judy Johnson LF - Turkey Stearnes CF - Oscar Charleston RF - Frank Robinson P - Joe Rogan, Bill Foster, Luis Tiant
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12-04-2005, 10:49 AM
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I don't like trying to determine race nor do I like evaluating still active players. I don't think it productive to separate out Afro-American major leaguers from other major leaguers. I will, however, reprise my Negro League all-time team:
C--Josh Gibson, Louis Santop 1B--Buck Leonard, Mule Suttles 2B--Martin Dihigo, Frank Grant 3B--Ray Dandridge, Jud Wilson SS--Pop Lloyd, Willie Wells OF--Oscar Charleston, Cristobal Torriente, Turkey Stearnes Cool Papa Bell, Monte Irvin, Minnie Minoso Starting pitcher--Satchel Paige, Smoky Joe Williams, Bullet Joe Rogan, Ray Brown and Cannonball Dick Redding closer--Hilton Smith bullpen--Willie Foster, Leon Day, Rube Foster manager--Rube Foster honorable mention--IF John Beckwith, SS Dobie Moore, ss Home Run Johnson, c Biz Mackey, mgr C. I. Taylor Jim Albright
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12-04-2005, 10:51 AM
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Guys, I've seen Pedro Martinez, Cristobal Torriente, Juan Marichal, and Jose Mesa mentioned. They're HISPANIC it's ignorant to say that they're black for whatever reason. Anywho, here's my list (MLB players only):
C Roy Campanella 1B Frank Thomas 2B Joe Morgan SS Ernie Banks 3B Bill Madlock LF Barry Bonds CF Willie Mays RF Henry Aaron DH Harold Baines P Bob Gibson The lineup: 1 Morgan 2 Mays 3 Aaron 4 Bonds 5 Thomas 6 Banks 7 Baines 8 Campanella 9 Madlock
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12-04-2005, 11:57 AM
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Guys,
Why so few "B" teams? If you care to add one, just add it to your original team. No need to use a separate post, which will divide your A's from your B's. Bill
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12-05-2005, 05:54 AM
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Explain me , pls
Can anyone ,explain me , why is that we hispanics , or latinos , caribeños , or whatever you want to call us , are not black , negroes ? I don't recall in the history of our region of people coming in from Germany , or Russia , or any nordic country . But there are a lot of us ( most of us , i should say ) that our ancestor came in from Zambia , Senegal , The Guineas , Congo , and so on .
Or is there a new " Gentlemen's Agreement " with some of the people that post here that i don't know ? All the people that really knows about the NL ( before and after the '20s ) , which , by the way are the majority here , knows about the impact of caribeños in those circuits . Thanks for the inclusion of Méndez , Torriente , Miñoso , Tiant , et al .
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12-05-2005, 08:53 AM
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06-09-2006, 10:51 AM
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Hilton Smith? What about him?
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06-10-2006, 02:54 AM
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I may or may not get into doing this one tomorrow (it's 2 a.m., so I guess it IS "tomorrow," but....), but not now.
I don't know how anyone can choose between Willie Mays and Oscar Charleston. It's a guess. And what a pain to pick between Jackie Robinson and Joe Morgan, although I know which one I'm picking (so does Chris  ).Yeah, I'll probably get into this, but I think I'll have to rate Charleston and Mays a tie, because I see NO WAY I can make that guess intelligently. Bill James just guess Mays at #3 and Charleston at #4. Charleston is the one guy who may have been better than Babe Ruth, imo. But he also may have been #36 all time, ya know? But lord oh lord, the things they say about him.... BHN
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06-10-2006, 01:38 PM
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C Josh Gibson 1B Frank Thomas 2B Joe Morgan 3B Ray Dandridge SS Pop Lloyd LF Barry Bonds CF Oscar Charleston (as BHN said, it's a toss up between him and Mays) RF Hank Aaron P Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams, Bullet Joe Rogan, Pedro Martinez, Bob Gibson B C Roy Campanella 1B Eddie Murray 2B Jackie Robinson 3B Judy Johnson SS Willie Wells LF Rickey Henderson CF Willie Mays RF Frank Robinson P Ferguson Jenkins, Bill Foster, Rube Foster, Juan Marichal, Hilton Smith That sounds all right to me. Last edited by AstrosFan; 06-10-2006 at 01:42 PM.
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06-12-2006, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
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06-16-2006, 09:29 AM
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Quote:
 Jim Albright
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Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths. RIP Harry Kalas. Thanks for 38 great years, though I wish we could have had more.
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