If Pedro retired today

[Eddie Collins]

166-67

.712 Winning %- 3rd all time

3 Cy Young Awards

2nd in Cy Young voting 2 other times

AL Triple Crown in 1999

ML-AS MVP

6 All Star Games

2.58 ERA(1st among active pitchers)

2426 SO in 13 Seasons

In 2000 his Era was 3.23 runs lower than the league average!

His career era is 1.92 runs less than the league average during that time!!!

6 ERA Titles

Led League in Wins, Shutouts, and Complete Games once each.

Led League in SO 3 times, came in second 3 more times

Has the 3rd best (BB + H)/9IP ratio of all time.

Second to only Randy Johnson in Strikeouts/9IP all time.

Has the best Adjusted ERA of any player ever.

Led the league in WP% 3 times.



Wow, typing all this up, I just realized he may be the most effective picther of his generation. A generation that includes Maddux, Johnson, Clemens, and Glavine.

[BoSox Rule]

He'd definetly be a first ballot HOFer if he retired today. He is the best pitcher of this generation.

1. Pedro
2. Maddux
3. Rogah

[Captain Cold Nose]

Dizzy Dean and Sandy Koufax are the standards for short-career pitchers. Pedro ranks above Dean because of a longer tenure of success. Without starting a Pedro vs. Koufax argument, Martinez has done enough.

[Cougar]

Yes, he's been crazy good. He merits 1st ballot induction.

Some of his petulant behavior could hurt him with some voters, but I think he'd overcome that.

He's already a HOF caliber pitcher; the rest of his career will just determine how far inside the inner circle he'll go.

[J W]

Well Capt., I nearly encited a riot when I compared Pedro to Sandy ... but I stand by it when I say they merit comparison, even though I conclude that Martinez falls short (because of too many 5-6 inning games, and lack of championship success).

He gets my first ballot vote.

[Brad Harris]

One of the greatest "peak" performance pitchers in history!

The only thing going against him are a few games lost to injuries during his best seasons. No matter, though...Pedro has already done plenty to merit enshrinement.

Anything from this point on is gravy.

[Eddie Collins]

i hope he can Get 200 wins and 3,000 K's, just so he isn't considered a "short career HOfer"

[KenFougere]

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All-Time Winning Percentage (minimum 100 wins)


     Player        Years     PCT.  W/L
 
1. Spud Chandler  1937-47  .717  109-43 

2. Pedro Martinez  1992-?  .712  166-67 
 
3. Whitey Ford     1950-67  .690  236-106 

4. Dave Fultz      1884-94  .690  149-67 

5. Don Gullett     1970-78  .686  109-50 


[Fuzzy Bear]

Black Ink: Pitching - 55 (22) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 215 (30) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 60.0 (16) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 189.5 (24) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

Now that he's won 200, this should cinch his first ballot selection if he blows out his arm tomorrow.

Pedro is the one pitcher who has a chance to be considered the greatest pitcher of all time, although he'd have to show more durability to do so.

[RedSoxVT92]

If he retired today he would be a first ballot hall of famer. He has a wicked low era in a time of offense and when pitchers usaully get the short end of the stick. Pedro also has a very high winning percentage with 3 Cy Youngs. He probably has some more years left he is only 34. So he probably will get 3000 K's and rack up some more of his career totals. So he is deffiantly a first ballot HOFer.

[SABR Matt]

Yep...Pedro is a 1st ballot slap-in-the-face obvious HOF inductee right here and right now.

[Blackout]

if Clemens retired today, would he be a first-ballot HOFer?

[cup2006sensrule]

Originally Posted by blackout805

if Clemens retired today, would he be a first-ballot HOFer?

I think everyone knows Clemens needs a few more years to solidify his position. That is why he is coming back this year. I mean he only has 7 Cy Young awards. That is close but not quite enough to get him in on the first ballot. He does have 20 winning seasons but also 2 years he had a losing record. Six 20 win years is alot but Spahn had 13. He only has 7 ERA titles. He doesn't even have 5000 strikeouts.

Really Roger needs a couple of more years to get in first ballot. If he retired today he might get into the Hall though.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Originally Posted by cup2006sensrule

I think everyone knows Clemens needs a few more years to solidify his position. That is why he is coming back this year. I mean he only has 7 Cy Young awards. That is close but not quite enough to get him in on the first ballot. He does have 20 winning seasons but also 2 years he had a losing record. Six 20 win years is alot but Spahn had 13. He only has 7 ERA titles. He doesn't even have 5000 strikeouts.

Really Roger needs a couple of more years to get in first ballot. If he retired today he might get into the Hall though.

You're joking, right?

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bear

Black Ink: Pitching - 55 (22) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 215 (30) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 60.0 (16) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 189.5 (24) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

Now that he's won 200, this should cinch his first ballot selection if he blows out his arm tomorrow.

Pedro is the one pitcher who has a chance to be considered the greatest pitcher of all time, although he'd have to show more durability to do so.

Not to mention that he won a championship in 2004, which is a bonus at worst and matters a great deal to some voters.

As someone else pointed out, he'll almost certainly get 3000 K's too, this season or at worst next. Just gravy at this point.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bear

You're joking, right?

I think it's safe to say he was.

[J W]

It's interesting that in this recent age of hitting, four pitchers have reached our pinnacle by almost unanimous consent, each with a different aura about them:

- Roger Clemens (the well-rounded #1 by most)
- Greg Maddux (the quiet great; Mr. Consistency)
- Randy Johnson (the dominant lefty)
- Pedro Martinez (the peak pitcher)

Now in reality, these pitchers have all had dominant seasons coupled with enough longevity and pitching wit to carry them through 200+ wins, but, these are what people think of when they hear the names.

There will likely be a few B-grade HOFers (Glavine? Schilling? Brown? Mussina?) making it to Cooperstown... but here we have the Big 4, and it doesn't look like anyone else from their age group is going to join them.

Where the line ends on the other side of the plate, much less who's the best hitter of the Steroid Era, is becoming very vague.

[soberdennis]

I think both Pedro and Roger are HOFers for certain.
Personally I think the BBWAA has gone a bit far with the first ballot inductees, some of whom belong in the Hall but not on the first try. That distinction should go to very special cases.
That said, I would not be surprised if they both get in on the first try.

[cup2006sensrule]

Originally Posted by J W

It's interesting that in this recent age of hitting, four pitchers have reached our pinnacle by almost unanimous consent, each with a different aura about them:

- Roger Clemens (the well-rounded #1 by most)
- Greg Maddux (the quiet great; Mr. Consistency)
- Randy Johnson (the dominant lefty)
- Pedro Martinez (the peak pitcher)

Now in reality, these pitchers have all had dominant seasons coupled with enough longevity and pitching wit to carry them through 200+ wins, but, these are what people think of when they hear the names.

There will likely be a few B-grade HOFers (Glavine? Schilling? Brown? Mussina?) making it to Cooperstown... but here we have the Big 4, and it doesn't look like anyone else from their age group is going to join them.

Where the line ends on the other side of the plate, much less who's the best hitter of the Steroid Era, is becoming very vague.

Glavine is a mortal lock.

But look at the 1980's. Most of the best pitchers except Clemens will not make the Hall of Fame either. Morris, Stieb, Hershiser, Saberhagen, Viola, Gooden, Valenzuela, Stewart, Key, Welch, Sutcliffe, Scott, Cone. And a hangover from the 1970's Blyleven.

Is their a 1980's pitcher besides Clemens that will make the Hall of Fame. Besides Nolan Ryan who is more of a 1970's pitcher.

[RogersMaris]

Originally Posted by KenFougere

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All-Time Winning Percentage (minimum 100 wins)


     Player        Years     PCT.  W/L
 
1. Spud Chandler  1937-47  .717  109-43 

2. Pedro Martinez  1992-?  .712  166-67 
 
3. Whitey Ford     1950-67  .690  236-106 

4. Dave Fultz      1884-94  .690  149-67 

5. Don Gullett     1970-78  .686  109-50 


Why was this three year old thread brought up again?

[flash143817]

Pedro is an easy 1st ballot HOFer. I personally rate him the #4 pitcher of all time. And he is the #1 peak pitcher of all time IMO.


There are 4 top 10 all time pitchers in this generation IMO (Pedro, Clemens, Maddux, Unit). All of these 4 should be easy first ballot inductees.

[Outta Here]

PEDRO is my daddy

Originally Posted by blackout805

if Clemens retired today, would he be a first-ballot HOFer?

HA HA Why ask that?

[Captain Cold Nose]

Originally Posted by RogersMaris

Why was this three year old thread brought up again?

It's still topical.