BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1961

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Format and Rules
Voting Rules: Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
-Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot.

Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons. If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 PAs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
- Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.
- Death Exception: For players who meet the criteria for consideration, but die before their first year of eligibility can have the five year waiting period waived and placed on the ballot the year of death.

Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

Conduct Policy: Every vote is a voter's opinion on who should be elected to the Hall of Fame. It is our responsibility as voters to be respectful towards each other. Personal attacks should not be tolerated and you should notify a moderator rather than allowing an argument to escalate and further derail discussion of the candidates.

1961 Guide
There are 44 candidates on the 1961 ballot - 23 holdovers and 21 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1956 (unless qualifying under the age or death rule) or were omitted on the ballot in previous years.

Newly Eligible (21)
Ralph Branca
Gil Coan
Harry Dorish
Hoot Evers
Bob Feller
Larry Jansen
Jim Konstanty
Walt Masterson
Clyde McCullough
Sam Mele
Dale Mitchell
Red Munger
Erv Palica
Mel Parnell
Howie Pollet
Phil Rizzuto
Jackie Robinson
Al Rosen
Johnny Schmitz
Hank Thompson
Wally Westlake

Holdovers (23)
Player Year of Eligibility Previous Support High Support Low Support
Harry Brecheen 4th 7.14% 16.67% (1958) 7.14% (1960)
Tommy Bridges 11th 58.33% 58.33% (1959) 22.58% (1952)
Phil Cavarretta 2nd 7.41% 7.41% (1960) 7.41% (1960)
Dom DiMaggio 4th 44.44% 44.44% (1960) 30.00% (1958)
Bob Elliot 4th 66.67% 66.67% (1960) 46.67% (1958)
Ferris Fain 2nd 7.41% 7.41% (1960) 7.41% (1960)
Lefty Gomez 14th 66.67% 66.67% (1960) 38.46 (1948)
Tommy Henrich 7th 7.41% 25.00% (1955) 7.41% (1960)
Bob Johnson 12th 48.15% 54.17% (1959) 26.47% (1950)
Charlie Keller 5th 48.15% 50.00% (1959) 40.00% (1957)
Chuck Klein 13th 25.93% 45.71% (1951) 25.93% (1960)
Dutch Leonard 4th 18.52% 18.52% (1960) 10.00% (1958)
Ernie Lombardi 10th 37.04% 48.15% (1956) 32.26% (1952)
Bobo Newsom 4th 11.11% 11.11% (1960) 6.67% (1958)
Johnny Pesky 3rd 11.11% 11.11% (1960) 8.33% (1959)
Allie Reynolds 3rd 7.41% 8.33% (1959) 7.41% (1960)
Vern Stephens 2nd 44.44% 44.44% (1960) 44.44% (1960)
Cecil Travis 10th 7.41% 16.67% (1957) 6.25% (1954)
Hal Trosky 12th 11.11% 14.29% (1951) 5.88% (1953)
Dixie Walker 8th 7.41% 16.67% (1959) 7.41% (1960)
Bucky Walters 7th 55.56% 62.50% (1959) 40.74% (1956)
Lloyd Waner 12th 7.41% 13.33% (1957) 5.88% (1953)
Lon Warneke 12th 33.33% 33.33% (1959) 8.82% (1950)

Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (1)
Player Reason Years on Ballot High Support Low Support
Buddy Myer End of Eligibility 15 20.59% (1953) 8.33% (1959)

Last Year of Eligibility (0)
Player High Support


Penultimate Year of Eligibility (1)
Player High Support
Lefty Gomez 66.67% (1959)


Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (3)
Player Previous Support Years with At Least 50% Support
Bob Elliot 66.67% 2
Lefty Gomez 66.67% 9
Bucky Walters 55.56% 3

Hall of Famers - 180
A total of 180 players and contributors have been elected to the BBF Progressive Hall of Fame.

Hall of Fame Players Wing
Players Elected - 158
Player Year Elected Election Percentage Years on Ballot Position Primary Team Active Years Total Seasons Living/Deceased Age at Election
Pete Alexander 1935 93.94% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1911-1930 20 Deceased (1887-1950) 48
Cap Anson 1902 100% 1 First Base Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1871-1897 27 Deceased (1852-1922) 50
Luke Appling 1955 100% 1 Shortstop Chicago White Sox (AL) 1930-1943, 1945-1950 20 Living - Age 54 48
Earl Averill 1947 82.14% 2 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1929-1941 13 Living - Age 59 45
Frank Baker 1927 96.43% 1 Third Base Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922 13 Living - Age 73 41
Ross Barnes^ 1911 76.00% 11 Second Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879, 1881 9 Deceased (1850-1915) 61
Jake Beckley 1917 76.00% 6 First Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1887-1907 20 Deceased (1867-1918) 50
John Beckwith*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Third Base Chicago Giants (NNL) 1916-1938 19 Deceased (1900-1956) 47
James Bell 1952 (VC) 100% VC Center Field Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) 1922-1946 25 Living - Age 58 49
Charlie Bennett 1907 75.00% 7 Catcher Detroit Wolverines (NL) 1878, 1880-1893 15 Deceased (1854-1927) 53
Lou Boudreau 1957 90.00% 1 Shortstop Cleveland Indians (AL) 1938-1952 15 Living - Age 44 40
Roger Bresnahan 1925 79.17% 6 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1897, 1900-1915 17 Deceased (1879-1944) 46
Dan Brouthers 1901 90.00% 1 First Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1896, 1904 18 Deceased (1858-1932) 50
Mordecai Brown 1921 96.77% 1 Pitcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1903-1916 14 Deceased (1876-1948) 45
Ray Brown*` 1957 (VC) 81.81% VC Pitcher Homestead Grays (I/NNL) 1930-1948 19 Living - Age 53 49
Pete Browning 1909 77.27% 9 Left Field/Center Field Louisville Colonels (NL/AA) 1882-1894 13 Deceased (1861-1905) Deceased
Jesse Burkett 1910 92.00% 1 Left Field Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1890-1895 16 Deceased (1868-1953) 42
Max Carey 1934 82.14% 1 Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1910-1929 20 Living - Age 71 44
Bob Caruthers 1909 77.27% 9 Pitcher/Right Field St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA) 1884-1893 10 Deceased (1864-1911) 45
Frank Chance 1932 83.33% 14 First Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1898-1914 17 Deceased (1876-1924) Deceased
Oscar Charleston*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL) 1915-1941 27 Deceased (1896-1954) 51
Cupid Childs 1920 76.92% 15 Second Base Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1888, 1890-1901 13 Deceased (1867-1912) Deceased
Fred Clarke 1917 88.00% 1 Left Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1894-1915 21 Deceased (1872-1960) 45
John Clarkson 1901 90.00% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1882, 1884-1894 12 Deceased (1861-1909) 40
Ty Cobb 1933 96.55% 1 Center Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1905-1928 24 Deceased (1886-1961) 47
Mickey Cochrane 1942 89.19% 1 Catcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1937 13 Living - Age 57 38
Eddie Collins 1935 96.67% 1 Second Base Chicago White Sox (AL) 1906-1930 25 Deceased (1887-1951) 48
Jimmy Collins 1913 82.61% 1 Third Base Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL) 1895-1908 14 Deceased (1870-1943) 43
Roger Connor 1902 79.17% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1857-1931) 45
Andy Cooper*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1920-1941 22 Deceased (1898-1941) Deceased
Wilbur Cooper* 1950 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1912-1926 15 Living - Age 69 58
Stan Coveleski 1934 89.29% 2 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1912, 1916-1928 14 Living - Age 72 45
Sam Crawford 1922 92.86% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1899-1917 19 Living - Age 81 41
Joe Cronin 1950 88.24% 1 Shortstop Boston Red Sox (AL) 1926-1945 20 Living - Age 55 44
Bill Dahlen 1916 88.00% 1 Shortstop Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891-1911 21 Deceased (1870-1950) 46
George Davis 1914 84.62% 1 Shortstop New York Giants (NL) 1890-1909 20 Deceased (1870-1940) 44
Leon Day*` 1957 (VC) 81.81% VC Pitcher/Second Base Newark Eagles (NNL) 1934-1943, 1946-1950 15 Living - Age 45 41
Ed Delahanty 1908 96.00% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1903 16 Deceased (1867-1903) Deceased
Dizzy Dean 1948 80.77% 3 Pitcher St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1930, 1932-1941, 1947 12 Living - Age 52 38
Bill Dickey 1951 94.29% 1 Catcher New York Yankees (AL) 1928-1943, 1946 17 Living - Age 54 44
Martin Dihigo*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC Second Base/Pitcher Cuban Stars (East) (ANL/I) 1923-1945 23 Living - Age 55 46
Joe DiMaggio 1956 96.30% 1 Center Field New York Yankees (AL) 1936-1942, 1946-1951 13 Living - Age 47 42
Bobby Doerr 1956 88.89% 1 Second Base Boston Red Sox (AL) 1937-1944, 1946-1951 14 Living - Age 43 38
Larry Doyle 1926 76.00% 2 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1907-1920 14 Living - Age 75 40
Hugh Duffy 1918 75.00% 8 Center Field/Outfield Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1888-1891, 1904-1906 17 Deceased (1866-1954) 52
Buck Ewing 1902 83.33% 1 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1859-1906) 44
Red Faber 1940 76.46% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1914-1933 20 Living - Age 73 52
Wes Ferrell 1955 78.57% 10 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1927-1941 15 Living - Age 53 47
Elmer Flick 1916 80.00% 1 Right Field Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1898-1910 13 Living - Age 85 40
Willie Foster*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher Chicago American Giants (ANL/NNL) 1923-1938 16 Living - Age 57 43
Jimmie Foxx 1950 100% 1 First Base Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1942, 1945 20 Living - Age 54 43
Frankie Frisch 1942 91.89% 1 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1919-1937 19 Living - Age 62 43
Pud Galvin 1903 80.77% 3 Pitcher Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1875, 1879-1892 15 Deceased (1856-1902) Deceased
Lou Gehrig 1944 100% 1 First Base New York Yankees (AL) 1923-1939 17 Deceased (1903-1941) Deceased
Charlie Gehringer 1947 100% 1 Second Base Detroit Tigers (AL) 1924-1942 19 Living - Age 58 44
Josh Gibson*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Catcher Homestead Grays (ANL/NNL) 1929-1946 18 Deceased (1911-1947) Deceased
Jack Glasscock 1911 84.00% 11 Shortstop Cleveland Blues (NL) 1879-1895 17 Deceased (1857-1947) 54
George Gore 1909 77.27% 9 Center Field Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1867-1933) 52
Joe Gordon 1955 75.00% 1 Second Base New York Yankees (AL) 1938-1943, 1946-1950 11 Living - Age 46 40
Goose Goslin 1943 93.33% 1 Left Field Washington Senators (NL) 1921-1938 18 Living - Age 60 42
Frank Grant*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Second Base Cuban Giants (I/MSL) 1886-1905 20 Deceased (1865-1937) Deceased
Hank Greenberg 1952 93.55% 1 First Base Detroit Tigers (AL) 1930, 1933-1941, 1945-1947 13 Living - Age 50 41
Clark Griffith* 1940 (VC) 78.57% VC Pitcher Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914 20 Deceased (1869-1955) 70
Burleigh Grimes* 1960 (VC) 76.92% VC Pitcher Brooklyn Robins (NL) 1916-1934 19 Living - Age 68 67
Heinie Groh 1936 81.25% 5 Third Base Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1912-1927 16 Living - Age 71 47
Lefty Grove 1946 100% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1941 17 Living - Age 61 46
Stan Hack 1952 77.42% 1 Third Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1932-1947 16 Living - Age 52 43
Billy Hamilton 1906 82.61% 1 Center Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1901 14 Deceased (1866-1940) 40
Gabby Hartnett 1946 96.30% 1 Catcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1922-1941 20 Living - Age 61 46
Harry Heilmann 1937 96.18% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1914, 1916-1930, 1932 17 Deceased (1894-1951) 43
Billy Herman 1952 77.42% 1 Second Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1931-1943, 1946-1947 15 Living - Age 52 43
Pete Hill*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (I) 1899-1925 27 Deceased (1880-1951) 67
Paul Hines 1904 76.00% 4 Center Field Providence Grays (NL) 1872-1891 20 Deceased (1855-1935) 49
Rogers Hornsby 1942 97.30% 1 Second Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1915-1937 23 Living - Age 64 45
Carl Hubbell 1948 96.15% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1928-1943 16 Living - Age 59 45
Hughie Jennings 1927 75.00% 14 Shortstop Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17 Deceased (1869-1928) 58
Grant Johnson*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1895-1916 22 Living - Age 87 73
Walter Johnson 1932 100% 1 Pitcher Washington Senators (AL) 1907-1927 21 Deceased (1887-1946) 45
Addie Joss 1926 76.00% 15 Pitcher Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1902-1910 9 Deceased (1880-1911) Deceased
Tim Keefe 1901 75.00% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1857-1933) 44
Willie Keeler 1916 92.00% 2 Right Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1892-1910 19 Deceased (1872-1923) 44
Joe Kelley 1920 84.62% 8 Left Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1906, 1908 17 Deceased (1871-1943) 49
King Kelly 1902 75.00% 2 Right Field/Catcher Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1878-1893 16 Deceased (1857-1894) Deceased
Ralph Kiner 1960 96.30% 1 Left Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1946-1955 10 Living - Age 39 38
Napoleon Lajoie 1921 96.77% 1 Second Base Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1896-1916 21 Deceased (1874-1959) 47
Tommy Leach* 1940 (VC) 85.71% VC Third Base/Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1898-1915, 1918 19 Living - Age 84 63
Buck Leonard*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC First Base Homestead Grays (I/NNL) 1933-1950 18 Living - Age 54 45
John Henry Lloyd*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Lincoln Giants (I/ECL) 1906-1932 27 Living - Age 77 63
Herman Long* 1925 (VC) 75.00% VC Shortstop Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1889-1904 16 Deceased (1866-1909) Deceased
Dick Lundy*` 1952 (VC) 81.82% VC Shortstop Bacharach Giants (I/ECL) 1916-1939 24 Living - Age 63 54
Ted Lyons 1949 80.00% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1928-1942, 1946 16 Living - Age 61 49
Biz Mackey*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC Catcher Hilldale Daises (ECL/ANL/I) 1920-1941, 1945-1947, 1950 26 Living - Age 64 55
Sherry Magee 1924 86.21% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1904-1919 16 Deceased (1884-1929) 40
Rabbit Maranville* 1955 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Boston Braves (NL) 1912-1933, 1935 23 Deceased (1891-1954) Deceased
Christy Mathewson 1922 93.55% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1900-1916 17 Deceased (1880-1925) 41
Joe McGinnity 1913 91.30% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1899-1908 10 Deceased (1871-1929) 42
Bid McPhee 1905 75.00% 2 Second Base Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1882-1899 18 Deceased (1859-1943) 42
Cal McVey*^ 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Catcher/First Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879 9 Deceased (1849-1926) 71
Joe Medwick 1953 85.29% 1 Left Field St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1932-1948 17 Living - Age 50 42
Jose Mendez*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL) 1908-1926 19 Deceased (1887-1928) Deceased
Johnny Mize 1958 96.67% 1 First Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1936-1942, 1946-1953 15 Living - Age 48 45
Bill Monroe*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Second Base Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1896-1914 19 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Tony Mullane 1908 80.00% 8 Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1881-1894 14 Deceased (1859-1944) 49
Kid Nichols 1911 100% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1890-1901, 1904-1906 15 Deceased (1869-1953) 42
Hal Newhouser 1960 85.19% 1 Pitcher Detroit Tigers (AL) 1939-1955 17 Living - Age 40 39
Jim O'Rourke 1901 90.00% 1 Left Field/Utility New York Giants (NL) 1872-1893, 1904 23 Deceased (1850-1919) 51
Alejandro Oms*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL) 1917-1935 19 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Mel Ott 1952 100% 1 Right Field New York Giants (NL) 1926-1947 22 Deceased (1909-1958) 43
Satchel Paige*` 1957 (VC) 90.91% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (I/NNL/NAL) 1926-1953 28 Living - Age 55 51
Dickey Pearce*^ 1920 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) 1871-1877 6 Deceased (1836-1908) Deceased
Lip Pike*^ 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Baltimore Canaries (NA) 1871-1878, 1881, 1887 10 Deceased (1845-1926) Deceased
Eddie Plank 1922 92.86% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1901-1917 17 Deceased (1875-1926) 47
Spotswood Poles*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Lincoln Stars (I) 1909-1923 15 Living - Age 72 60
Charley Radbourn 1901 95.00% 1 Pitcher Providence Grays (NL) 1881-1891 11 Deceased (1854-1897) Deceased
Dick Redding*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL) 1911-1938 18 Deceased (1891-1948) 56
Sam Rice* 1955 (VC) 76.92% VC Right Field Washington Senators (AL) 1915-1934 20 Living - Age 71 65
Hardy Richardson* 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC Second Base/Left Field Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1855-1931) 65
Eppa Rixey* 1955 (VC) 92.30% VC Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1912-1917, 1919-1933 21 Living - Age 70 64
Bullet Rogan*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1917-1938 22 Living - Age 68 54
Edd Roush 1943 76.67% 1 Center Field Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1913-1929, 1931 18 Living - Age 68 49
Red Ruffing 1951 82.86% 2 Pitcher New York Yankees (AL) 1924-1942, 1945-1947 22 Living - Age 56 46
Amos Rusie 1906 78.26% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901 10 Deceased (1871-1942) 35
Babe Ruth 1940 97.06% 1 Right Field/Left Field New York Yankees (AL) 1914-1935 22 Deceased (1895-1948) 45
Jimmy Ryan* 1930 (VC) 86.67% VC Center Field Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1885-1900, 1902, 1903 18 Deceased (1863-1923) Deceased
Louis Santop*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Catcher Hilldale Daises (I) 1909-1926 18 Deceased (1890-1942) Deceased
Joe Sewell 1942 75.68% 5 Shortstop/Third Base Cleveland Indians (AL) 1920-1933 14 Living - Age 62 43
Jimmy Sheckard* 1945 (VC) 83.33% VC Left Field Chicago Cubs (NL) 1897-1913 17 Deceased (1878-1947) 67
Al Simmons 1949 96.00% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1924-1944 21 Deceased (1902-1956) 47
George Sisler 1935 90.91% 1 First Base St. Louis Browns (AL) 1915-1922, 1924-1930 15 Living - Age 67 42
Al Spalding^ 1915 80.00% 15 Pitcher Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1878 8 Deceased (1850-1915) Deceased
Tris Speaker 1933 100% 1 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1907-1928 22 Deceased (1888-1958) 45
Joe Start*^ 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC First Base Providence Grays (NL) 1871-1886 16 Deceased (1842-1927) 78
Turkey Stearnes*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Center Field Detroit Stars (NNL/NAL) 1923-1942 20 Living - Age 60 46
Harry Stovey 1907 75.00% 7 Left Field/First Base Philadelphia Athletics (AA) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1856-1931) 51
Mule Suttles*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC First Base Newark Eagles (NNL) 1921, 1923-1944 23 Living - Age 60 51
Ezra Sutton* 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Third Base Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1871-1888 18 Deceased (1850-1907) Deceased
Bill Terry 1941 80.00% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1923-1936 14 Living - Age 62 43
Sam Thompson 1907 79.17% 5 Right Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1885-1898, 1906 14 Deceased (1860-1922) 47
Cristobal Torriente*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (NNL) 1913-1928 16 Deceased (1893-1938) Deceased
Pie Traynor 1942 83.78% 1 Third Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1920-1937 18 Living - Age 62 42
Dazzy Vance 1940 76.47% 1 Pitcher Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1915, 1918, 1922-1935 16 Deceased (1891-1961) 48
George Van Haltren 1918 75.00% 11 Center Field New York Giants (NL) 1887-1903 17 Deceased (1866-1945) 52
Arky Vaughan 1953 100% 1 Shortstop Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1932-1943, 1947-1948 14 Deceased (1912-1952) Deceased
Rube Waddell 1915 84.00% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1897, 1899-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Honus Wagner 1922 92.86% 1 Shortstop Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1897-1917 21 Deceased (1874-1955) 48
Bobby Wallace 1925 75.00% 3 Shortstop St. Louis Browns (AL) 1894-1918 25 Deceased (1873-1960) 52
Ed Walsh 1922 89.29% 1 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1904-1917 14 Deceased (1881-1959) 41
John Ward 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop/Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1878-1894 17 Deceased (1860-1925) 47
Paul Waner 1950 94.12% 1 Right Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1926-1945 20 Living - Age 58 47
Mickey Welch* 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1892 13 Deceased (1859-1941) 61
Willie Wells*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC Shortstop St. Louis Stars (NNL) 1924-1948 25 Living - Age 56 47
Zack Wheat 1932 87.50% 1 Left Field Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1909-1927 10 Living - Age 73 44
Deacon White 1904 76.00% 4 Catcher/Third Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1871-1890 20 Deceased (1847-1939) 57
Smokey Joe Williams*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Homestead Grays (I/ANL) 1905-1932 28 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Vic Willis 1919 77.78% 5 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1898-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1947) 43
Jud Wilson*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC Third Base Baltimore Black Sox (I/ECL/ANL) 1922-1939 18 Living - Age 62 53
George Wright^ 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1882 12 Deceased (1847-1937) 60
Cy Young 1916 100% 1 Pitcher Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL) 1890-1911 22 Deceased (1867-1955) 49

* = Elected by Veterans Committee
^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
` = Played in the Negro Leagues

Players Elected by Primary Position
Catcher (11): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop, Deacon White
First Base (14): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Buck Leonard, Johnny Mize, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry
Second Base (15): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Larry Doyle, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Bill Monroe, Hardy Richardson
Third Base (9): Frank Baker, John Beckwith, Jimmy Collins, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Tommy Leach, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson
Shortstop (20): Luke Appling, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Herman Long, Dick Lundy, Rabbit Maranville, Dickey Pearce, Joe Sewell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, Willie Wells, George Wright
Left Field (13): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Jim O'Rourke, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
Center Field (21): Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Alejandro Oms, Lip Pike, Spotswood Poles, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, George Van Haltren
Right Field (10): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Willie Keeler, Mel Ott, Sam Rice, Babe Ruth, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner
Pitcher (43): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Andy Cooper, Wilbur Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Red Faber, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Clark Griffith, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Ted Lyons, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Satchel Paige, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Dick Redding, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Smokey Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Cy Young

Players Elected by Year
1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
1903 (1): Pud Galvin
1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
1905 (1): Bid McPhee
1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
1912 (0):
1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
1914 (1): George Davis
1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
1919 (1): Vic Willis
1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
- 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
1923 (0):
1924 (1): Sherry Magee
1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
- 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
1926 (1): Larry Doyle
1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
1928 (0):
1929 (1): Addie Joss
1930 (0):
- 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
1931 (0):
1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
- 1935 VC (0):
1936 (1): Heinie Groh
1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
1938 (0):
1939 (0):
1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
- 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
1941 (1): Bill Terry
1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush
1944 (1): Lou Gehrig
1945 (0):
- 1945 VC (1): Jimmy Sheckard
1946 (2): Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
1947 (2): Earl Averill, Charlie Gehringer
- 1947 Negro League Players VC (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Willie Foster, Josh Gibson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd,
Jose Mendez, Bill Monroe, Alejandro Oms, Spotswood Poles, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Louis Santop, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, Smokey Joe Williams
1948 (2): Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell
1949 (2): Ted Lyons, Al Simmons
1950 (3): Joe Cronin, Jimmie Foxx, Paul Waner
- 1950 VC (1): Wilbur Cooper
1951 (2): Bill Dickey, Red Ruffing
1952 (4): Hank Greenberg, Stan Hack, Billy Herman, Mel Ott
- 1952 Negro League Players VC (8): James "Cool Papa" Bell, Martin Dihigo, Buck Leonard, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
1953 (2): Joe Medwick, Arky Vaughan
1954 (0):
1955 (3): Luke Appling, Wes Ferrell, Joe Gordon
- 1955 VC (3): Rabbit Maranville, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey
1956 (2): Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr
1957 (1): Lou Boudreau
- 1957 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Brown, Leon Day, Satchel Paige
1958 (1): Johnny Mize
1959 (0):
1960 (2): Ralph Kiner, Hal Newhouser
- 1960 VC (1): Burleigh Grimes

Players Elected by Primary Decade
1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
1890s (19): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
1900s (24): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Bill Monroe, Eddie Plank, Jimmy Sheckard, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
1910s (17): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Wilbur Cooper, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Sherry Magee, Jose Mendez, Spotswood Poles, Louis Santop, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Smokey Joe Williams
1920s (25): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Burleigh Grimes, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Rabbit Maranville, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Cristobal Torriente, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
1930s (33): Luke Appling, Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Ray Brown, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Dizzy Dean, Bill Dickey, Martin Dihigo, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Jimmie Foxx, Charlie Gehringer, Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Hank Greenberg, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, Carl Hubbell, Ted Lyons, Joe Medwick, Mel Ott, Satchel Paige, Red Ruffing, Al Simmons, Turkey Stearnes, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry, Arky Vaughan, Paul Waner, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
1940s (8): Lou Boudreau, Leon Day, Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr, Joe Gordon, Stan Hack, Johnny Mize, Hal Newhouser
1950s (1): Ralph Kiner

Players Elected by Primary Organization
Bacharach Giants (I, ECL) (1): Dick Lundy
Baltimore Black Sox (I, ECL, ANL) (1): Jud Wilson
Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
Baltimore Orioles (fka St. Louis Browns) (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (4): Bobby Doerr, Jimmy Collins, Joe Cronin, Cy Young
Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
Brooklyn Royal Giants (I, ECL, NNL) (3): Grant Johnson, Bill Monroe, Dick Redding
Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
Chicago American Giants (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Pete Hill, Cristobal Torriente
Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (12): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark Griffith, George Gore, Stan Hack, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan, Jimmy Sheckard
Chicago Giants (NNL) (1): John Beckwith
Chicago White Sox (AL) (5): Luke Appling, Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh
Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (5): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane, Eppa Rixey, Edd Roush
Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (9): Earl Averill, Lou Boudreau, Stan Coveleski, Wes Ferrell, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Joe Sewell, Tris Speaker
Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
Cuban Giants (I, MSL) (1): Frank Grant
Cuban Stars (East) (I, ECL, ANL) (2): Martin Dihigo, Alejandro Oms
Detroit Stars (I, NNL, NAL) (1): Turkey Stearnes
Detroit Tigers (AL) (6): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Charlie Gehringer, Hank Greenberg, Harry Heilmann, Hal Newhouser
Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
Hilldale Daises (I, ECL, ANL, EWL) (2): Biz Mackey, Louis Santop
Homestead Grays (I, ANL, NNL) (4): Ray Brown, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Smokey Joe Williams
Indianapolis ABCs (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (1): Oscar Charleston
Kansas City Atheltics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (7): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Eddie Plank, Al Simmons, Rube Waddell
Kansas City Monarchs (I, NNL, NAL) (4): Willie Foster, Jose Mendez, Satchel Paige, Bullet Rogan
Lincoln Giants (I, ECL, ANL) (1): John Henry Lloyd
Lincoln Stars (I) (1): Spotswood Poles
Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Robins) (NL) (3): Burleigh Grimes, Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (11): Ross Barnes, John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Rabbit Maranville, Cal McVey, Kid Nichols, Al Spalding, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis, George Wright
Minnesota Twins (fka Washington Senators) (AL) (3): Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson, Sam Rice
New York Yankees (AL) (6): Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Lou Gehrig, Joe Gordon, Red Ruffing, Babe Ruth
Newark Eagles (NNL) (2): Leon Day, Mule Suttles
Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) (1): James "Cool Papa" Bell
Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (10): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Wilbur Cooper, Ralph Kiner, Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Paul Waner
Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (16): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Carl Hubbell, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Mel Ott, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (5): Bob Caruthers, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Medwick, Johnny Mize
St. Louis Stars (NNL) (1): Willie Wells

Hall of Fame Contributors Wing
Contributors Elected - 23
Contributor Year Elected Contribution Living/Deceased Age at Election
Doc Adams 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1814-1899) Deceased
Ed Barrow 1941 General Manager Deceased (1868-1953) Deceased
Alex Cartwright 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1820-1892) Deceased
Henry Chadwick 1925 Writer Deceased (1824-1908) Deceased
Charlie Comiskey 1925 Owner Deceased (1859-1931) 66
Tom Connolly 1956 Umpire Deceased (1870-1961) 86
Jim Creighton 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1841-1862) Deceased
Rube Foster 1930 Manager/Executive Deceased (1879-1930) Deceased
Miller Huggins 1941 Manager Deceased (1879-1929) Deceased
William Hulbert 1925 NL President Deceased (1832-1882) Deceased
Ned Hanlon 1936 Manager Deceased (1857-1937) 79
Ban Johnson 1936 AL President Deceased (1864-1931) Deceased
Bill Klem 1941 Umpire Deceased (1874-1951) 67
Kenesaw Landis 1951 Commissioner Deceased (1866-1944) Deceased
Connie Mack 1930 Manager/Owner Deceased (1862-1956) 68
Joe McCarthy 1951 Manager Living - Age 74 64
John McGraw 1936 Manager Deceased (1873-1934) Deceased
Al Reach 1946 Owner Deceased (1840-1928) Deceased
Francis Richter 1941 Writer Deceased (1854-1926) Deceased
Branch Rickey 1946 General Manager Living - Age 80 65
Frank Selee 1936 Manager Deceased (1859-1909) Deceased
AG Spalding* 1930 Executive Deceased (1850-1915) Deceased
Harry Wright 1925 Manager Deceased (1835-1895) Deceased

* = Also elected as a player

Contributors Elected by Primary Contribution
Commissioner (1): Kenesaw Landis
General Manager (2): Ed Barrow, Branch Rickey
League President (2): William Hulbert, Ban Johnson
Manager (6): Miller Huggins, Ned Hanlon, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Frank Selee, Harry Wright
Owner (3): Charlie Comiskey, Al Reach, AG Spalding
Pioneer (3): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Jim Creighton
Umpire (2): Tom Connolly, Bill Klem
Writer (2): Henry Chadwick, Francis Richter

Contributors Elected by Primary Team
Chicago American Giants (NNL) (1): Rube Foster
Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NA, NL) (1): AG Spalding
Chicago White Sox (AL) (1): Charlie Comiskey
Excelsior of Brooklyn (NAB) (1): Jim Creighton
Kansas City Athletics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (1): Connie Mack
Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Superbas) (AA, NL) (1): Ned Hanlon
Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Caps, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (2): Frank Selee, Harry Wright
New York Knickerbockers (NAB) (2): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright
New York Yankees (AL) (2): Miller Huggins, Joe McCarthy
Philadelphia Phillies (fka Quakers) (NL) (1): Al Reach
San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (1): John McGraw
St. Louis Cardinals (AA, NL) (1): Branch Rickey

Contributors Elected by Year
1925: Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton
1930: Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding
1936: Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee
1941: Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter, Ed Barrow
1946: Al Reach, Branch Rickey
1951: Kenesaw Landis, Joe McCarthy
1956: Tom Connolly

Miscellaneous Information
- Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Luke Appling, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Mel Ott, Tris Speaker, Arky Vaughan, Cy Young – 100%
- Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 69
- Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
- Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 9
- Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 48
- Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 42
- Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 73.53% - Burleigh Grimes (1953)
- Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942)
- Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939, 1945, 1954, 1959)
- Most Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 19 (1947)
- Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
- Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 50 Players (1952)
- Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
- Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
- Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
- Team With Most Players Elected: San Francisco Giants - 16
- Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 12
- Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams - 28
- Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
- Members Elected as Both Players and Contributors: Al Spalding
- Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
- Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
- Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 27
- Number of Posthumously Elected Contributors: 16
- Number of Living Hall of Famers: 64
- Number of Deceased Hall of Famers: 108
- Oldest Living Hall of Famer:
- Deceased in Past Year: Ty Cobb, Tom Connolly, Dazzy Vance

Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
1901: 20
1902: 24
1903: 26
1904: 25
1905: 24
1906: 23
1907: 24
1908: 25
1909: 22
1910: 25
1911: 25
1912: 23
1913: 23
1914: 26
1915: 25
1916: 25
1917: 25
1918: 24
1919: 27
1920: 26
1921: 31
1922: 28
1923: 25
1924: 29
1925: 24
1926: 25
1927: 28
1928: 27
1929: 25
1930: 25
1931: 32
1932: 24
1933: 29
1934: 28
1935: 33
1936: 32
1937: 34
1938: 30
1939: 32
1940: 34
1941: 35
1942: 37
1943: 30
1944: 27
1945: 29
1946: 27
1947: 28
1948: 26
1949: 25
1950: 34
1951: 35
1952: 31
1953: 34
1954: 32
1955: 28
1956: 27
1957: 30
1958: 30
1959: 24
1960: 27

Links to Past Elections
1901 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77167)
1902 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77464)
1903 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77797)
1904 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78133)
1905 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78417)
1906 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78737)
1907 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79020)
1908 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79393)
1909 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79738)
1910 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80134)
1911 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80597)
1912 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81008)
1913 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81477)
1914 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81965)
1915 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82365)
1916 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82681)
1917 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82940)
1918 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83241)
1919 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83422)
1920 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83665), 1920 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83697)
1921 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83924)
1922 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84099)
1923 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84257)
1924 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84423)
1925 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84552), 1925 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=84636), 1925 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83852)
1926 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84727)
1927 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84871)
1928 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85029)
1929 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85206)
1930 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85358), 1930 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=85439), 1930 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84578)
1931 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85681)
1932 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85850)
1933 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86054)
1934 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86291)
1935 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86514), 1935 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=86576)
1936 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86747), 1936 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85051)
1937 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87002)
1938 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87241)
1939 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87501)
1940 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87800), 1940 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=87854)
1941 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88041), 1941 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87881)
1942 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88297)
1943 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89063)
1944 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89394)
1945 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89744), 1945 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89707)
1946 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89923), 1946 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89916)
1947 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90195), 1947 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90109)
1948 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90391)
1949 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90572)
1950 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90811), 1950 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90804)
1951 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91009), 1951 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91013)
1952 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91182), 1952 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91175)
1953 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91388)
1954 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91792)
1955 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92050), 1955 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92049)
1956 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92322), 1956 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92324)
1957 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92596), 1957 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92597)
1958 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92866)
1959 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93157)
1960 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93383), 1960 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93384)

[PVNICK]

Bridges
DiMaggio
Elliott
Feller
Robinson
Rosen
Walters
Warnecke

[Domenic]

I believe this is my largest ballot to-date:

Bridges
DiMaggio
Elliott
Gomez
Johnson
Keller
Robinson
Rosen
Walters

For now, I have Rizzuto on the outside looking in. I think he's an extremely borderline candidate - and I'm not sure that he's much better than Stephens, who is a bit below the borderline.

[RyanExpress30]

1 Robinson
2 Feller
3 Johnson
4 Elliott
5 Stephens
6 Keller
7 Henrich
8 Klein
9 Newsom
10 Gomez
11 Rosen
12 Bridges
13 Leonard

[Ace Venom]

The five-year moratorium on recounts has ended and I have opted not to include a prohibition against recounts. However, if recounts become too common (every few election cycles), I'll put another five-year moratorium on recounts.

Here's my ballot:

Tommy Bridges
Phil Cavarretta
Dom DiMaggio
Bob Elliot
Bob Feller
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Charlie Keller
Chuck Klein
Ernie Lombardi
Allie Reynolds
Jackie Robinson
Al Rosen
Bucky Walters
Lon Warneke

[Cowtipper]

Tommy Bridges
Bob Elliot
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Chuck Klein
Ernie Lombardi
Allie Reynolds
Jackie Robinson
Vern Stephens
Hal Trosky
Dixie Walker
Bucky Walters
Lon Warneke

[jjpm74]

Phil Rizzuto deserves a lot more support than he is getting. Especially from Dom DiMaggio supporters. Rizzuto's best seasons came right around the 3+ years he missed to WWII military service. He was also an A+ rated short stop (as in all time great defensively) at the most important defensive position and was an integral part of several world champion teams.

[jalbright]

Elliott
Feller
Keller
Rizzuto
J. Robinson
Walters

[jjpm74]

My largest ballot in many years:

Tommy Bridges
Dom DiMaggio
Bob Elliott
Bob Feller
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Charlie Keller
Mel Parnell
Phil Rizzuto
Jackie Robinson
Al Rosen
Vern Stephens
Bucky Walters

There are a number of solid holdovers and several great 1st timers on the ballot this year. I'm hoping Bob Elliott can stay over the hump this year. He fits right in as a third baseman HOFer when looking at the company they would join in this project, IMO.

[Senor Octobre]

Brecheen
Bridges
DiMaggio
Elliott
Feller
Gomez
Johnson
Keller
Klein
Leonard
Lombardi
Robinson
Rosen
Warneke

And I forgot to vote for Walters. I don't know if anyone can correct that or not but... I meant to vote for him.

[dgarza]

Tommy Bridges
Bob Elliott
Bob Feller
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Chuck Klein
Dutch Leonard
Ernie Lombardi
Bobo Newsom
Jackie Robinson
Al Rosen
Vern Stephens
Dixie Walker
Bucky Walters
Lon Warneke


1. Bob Feller
2. Chuck Klein
3. Jackie Robinson
4. Bob Johnson
5. Ernie Lombardi
6. Vern Stephens
7. Bob Elliott
8. Lefty Gomez
9. Bucky Walters
10. Al Rosen
11. Tommy Bridges
12. Lon Warneke
13. Dixie Walker
14. Bobo Newsom
15. Dutch Leonard

[dgarza]

Rizzuto (my #16) will surely make my ballot in due time.

[Ace Venom]

And I forgot to vote for Walters. I don't know if anyone can correct that or not but... I meant to vote for him.

You're in luck. The moratorium on recounts expired. I'll adjust the count at the end. I don't want this to become a regular thing. I was having to do this way too much before the moratorium was put in place.

[Ace Venom]

Phil Rizzuto deserves a lot more support than he is getting. Especially from Dom DiMaggio supporters. Rizzuto's best seasons came right around the 3+ years he missed to WWII military service. He was also an A+ rated short stop (as in all time great defensively) at the most important defensive position and was an integral part of several world champion teams.

I'm not completely sold on Rizzuto. We finally elected Rabbit Maranville simply based on his glove, but that was via VC vote. I may change my mind on Rizzuto, but it will take a bit of discussion to sell me on Rizzuto.

[mwiggins]

Bridges
DiMaggio
Elliott
Feller
Gomez
B. Johnson
Keller
Rizzuto
Robinson
Travis
Walters

[KCGHOST]

Bridges
Gomez
Feller
Robinson

[Domenic]

Both Rizzuto and Stephens have a fifty/fifty shot at making my ballot next time around - Rizzuto may have a bit better than that, as I've been fairly generous with PCL/war credit throughout this project, and likely sold him short this time around.

[Jsquared83]

Elliot
Feller
Gomez
Johnson
Lombardi
Robinson
Rizzuto

[Fielding Marshall]

Tommy Bridges
Dom DiMaggio
Bob Elliot
Ferris Fain
Bob Feller
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Charlie Keller
Dale Mitchell
Phil Rizzuto
Cecil Travis
Bucky Walters
Lloyd Waner
Lon Warneke

DiMaggio seems to be quietly gaining support.

Ace, could you tell me your reasoning behind Cavarreta? I have him as borderline, but don't know whether to put him in or out.

[Cowtipper]

Don't let Bob Elliott fall below 75%! He was up in the high-80s for a while...

[jjpm74]

Don't let Bob Elliott fall below 75%! He was up in the high-80s for a while...


Unfortunately, by the very nature of a project like this, you have participants who do not bother to read the discussions about what makes a borderline player a viable candidate and end up with that candidate slipping below the 75% line. On a positive note, Elliott seems to have picked up some significant support which bodes well for him to get elected either via the standard election or the VC.

OOC, personally, IMO, it'd be good for this project to elect him since he not only fits the standard better than half the third basemen we have elected through the year he retired, but it opens the position up for discussion of players like Sal Bando, Darrell Evans and Graig Nettles down the road.

[Ace Venom]

Unfortunately, by the very nature of a project like this, you have participants who do not bother to read the discussions about what makes a borderline player a viable candidate and end up with that candidate slipping below the 75% line.

See Lefty Gomez, who is in the same boat. I fully expect him to be around 72-74% in his final year of eligibility and not get elected. Burleigh Grimes, recently elected by the VC, topped 70% without being elected. Sam Rice was another one elected by the VC that missed getting in despite getting over 70% of the vote on the regular ballot. Gomez is definitely headed for VC land because he put up his numbers as a Yankee and his low win total (>200). I think Elliot is suffering because of the overlap with Eddie Mathews. I would have thought the election of Stan Hack would help Elliot get more votes.

My personal support for Phillabuck comes with an admission that he is a borderline candidate. He had one MVP season during the war, which is a big selling point for his detractors. He also wasn't a power hitting first baseman, which is the norm. However, if you like Dixie Walker, you'll probably appreciate Cavarretta. Phillabuck is borderline and I may drop him from my ballot seeing as how he will never be elected in this project.

[SavoyBG]

We had Lefty in after 24 ballots, but the latest voter did not list him so he's out now without much chance. He'd need 3 out of 3 before it closes in a few hours.

[DoubleX]

Gomez is looking like a good VC candidate and I think he'll stand a good chance there. I think the problem with Gomez in these elections is that while he consistently received strong support, he didn't really receive much discussion. A couple of elections with some decent discussion on Gomez may have made the difference.

There's still a lot of time to build Elliot's case, and he's already made great strides.

[mwiggins]

Gomez is looking like a good VC candidate and I think he'll stand a good chance there. I think the problem with Gomez in these elections is that while he consistently received strong support, he didn't really receive much discussion. A couple of elections with some decent discussion on Gomez may have made the difference.

There's still a lot of time to build Elliot's case, and he's already made great strides.

I think Gomez received some good discussion in his first couple of elections. But for some reason a lot of voters seem to have the perception that Gomez was a good pitcher with a couple of flukey great years, not a guy who's peak was interrupted and career cut short by arm injuries. Dean and Vance seemed to get an allowance by voters for how injuries interrupted/shortened their careers, while Gomez does not.

He would probably be elected already if he'd put his 1931, 1934, and 1937 seasons back-to-back in his mid-20's.

[Ace Venom]

Gomez has had an upward trend of support over the years, but he's never finished with at least 67% of the vote. He's received 218 votes out of 383 cast from 1948-1960, a solid average of 56.92%. His first five years (1948-1952) on the ballot saw a continuous rise in support until he finally eclipsed 60% in 1953. If you only count 1953-1960, he's averaged around 63.36% of the vote in those eight years.

It's not the strong level of support you'd expect to see for a guy who would eventually get in after 10 years on the ballot, with Wes Ferrell as our most recent example of such a candidate. It's a shame because I don't think some people are looking past his career win total. If you like counting numbers, know this about Gomez:

-He had a .649 winning percentage. He may have played with the Yankees during one of their greatest stretches. We practically elected Red Ruffing for less and they were contemporaries.
-Lefty is a two time ERA champion, two time wins champion and a three time strikeout champion. We elected Red Ruffing without a problem and the only thing comparable that he could boast was that he led the league in wins once. Ruffing also led the league in losses twice when he was with Boston.
-Lefty's ERA+ as a Yankee from 1930-1942 was 125. Red's ERA+ in that same time period was 118 (with some contributions from Boston in 1930 in his totals). Not much different? I'd argue that Lefty was just as valuable to that New York team as Red was even though Red out won him by 20 wins during that time period.
-From 1931-1939, Lefty had his best years. He was 163-84 with a 3.17 ERA and 1,315 strikeouts. He was a 20+ game winner four times during that stretch and was a 15+ game winner six times during the stretch.

Obviously you can't go with just counting numbers, but it's hard to dismiss Lefty despite the fact that his career only spanned 14 seasons. You could argue that his success came from being a Yankee, but he was also robbed of greater longevity due to an arm injury in 1940.

[Ace Venom]

Dean and Vance seemed to get an allowance by voters for how injuries interrupted/shortened their careers, while Gomez does not.

Dean wasn't a Yankee and Vance was not with the Yankees when they started winning World Series. Red Ruffing got the allowance due to longevity, but Gomez is not getting it. It's easier to give a pitcher a pass if he was only on one World Series championship team than it is for a pitcher who was on five World Series championship teams.

[mwiggins]

Obviously you can't go with just counting numbers, but it's hard to dismiss Lefty despite the fact that his career only spanned 14 seasons. You could argue that his success came from being a Yankee, but he was also robbed of greater longevity due to an arm injury in 1940.

And he had an arm injury at the end of the 1934 season that most likely contributed at least somewhat to his two off years in 1935 & 1936.

[leecemark]

I think Gomez received some good discussion in his first couple of elections. But for some reason a lot of voters seem to have the perception that Gomez was a good pitcher with a couple of flukey great years, not a guy who's peak was interrupted and career cut short by arm injuries. Dean and Vance seemed to get an allowance by voters for how injuries interrupted/shortened their careers, while Gomez does not.

He would probably be elected already if he'd put his 1931, 1934, and 1937 seasons back-to-back in his mid-20's.

--I think you are probably right about the scattered great seasons being held against him. I don't know if that is wrong though. Personally I am more impressed by a run of top seasons than having them mixed in with mediocore ones. I have been voting for him, but he is very much a borderliner for me.
--If he doesn't get in on the regular ballot he probably won't get my support in the VC. I don't see that as a place for lower standards, where all the near misses get the rubber stamp. For me its a place where guys with missing pieces to their career get a deeper review (many of the voters in the general election I believe just skim the surface) or guys who have some "extras" beyond their numbers get credit for that. I'd have to be convinced that either of those apply to Gomez.

[Paul Wendt]

Ruffing played 258 major leagues game where he did not pitch, 3 in the outfield and I infer 255 in the "pinch". Gomez played none.

Ruffing was a good batter and Gomez was not. The difference between their career OPS+ 84 and 14 implies team OPS+ about 7 points higher with Ruffing rather than Gomez as the starting pitcher.

[Ace Venom]

--I think you are probably right about the scattered great seasons being held against him. I don't know if that is wrong though. Personally I am more impressed by a run of top seasons than having them mixed in with mediocore ones. I have been voting for him, but he is very much a borderliner for me.

Arm injuries didn't help him here, but I never understood that approach. Some people do have off years and it wouldn't be the first time we elected players who had similar problems.

--If he doesn't get in on the regular ballot he probably won't get my support in the VC. I don't see that as a place for lower standards, where all the near misses get the rubber stamp. For me its a place where guys with missing pieces to their career get a deeper review (many of the voters in the general election I believe just skim the surface) or guys who have some "extras" beyond their numbers get credit for that. I'd have to be convinced that either of those apply to Gomez.

Perhaps the it's fact that Gomez has a solid resume despite his flaws. It's pretty easy for voters to skim the surface, which is a good reason why he's been overlooked during his 14 years of eligibility. Some people can't see beyond the fact that he was a Yankee or he did not have his best seasons grouped together due to arm injuries. I'm a bit of a big hall guy myself, but I never really saw Gomez as borderline. I saw Red Ruffing as borderline and Lefty as a guy who definitely deserved to get in before Red. If Gomez is a near miss, it's more due to the fact that people are skimming the surface more than not.

[dgarza]

If you like counting numbers, know this about Gomez:

-He had a .649 winning percentage. He may have played with the Yankees during one of their greatest stretches. We practically elected Red Ruffing for less and they were contemporaries.
-Lefty is a two time ERA champion, two time wins champion and a three time strikeout champion. We elected Red Ruffing without a problem and the only thing comparable that he could boast was that he led the league in wins once. Ruffing also led the league in losses twice when he was with Boston.
-Lefty's ERA+ as a Yankee from 1930-1942 was 125. Red's ERA+ in that same time period was 118 (with some contributions from Boston in 1930 in his totals). Not much different? I'd argue that Lefty was just as valuable to that New York team as Red was even though Red out won him by 20 wins during that time period.
-From 1931-1939, Lefty had his best years. He was 163-84 with a 3.17 ERA and 1,315 strikeouts. He was a 20+ game winner four times during that stretch and was a 15+ game winner six times during the stretch.

To add to his counting numbers resume, Lefty Gomez was the SO king of the '30s and at one of the best rates in the '30s as well (5.38 SO/9).

[DoubleX]

--If he doesn't get in on the regular ballot he probably won't get my support in the VC. I don't see that as a place for lower standards, where all the near misses get the rubber stamp. For me its a place where guys with missing pieces to their career get a deeper review (many of the voters in the general election I believe just skim the surface) or guys who have some "extras" beyond their numbers get credit for that. I'd have to be convinced that either of those apply to Gomez.

On the same token, why should the VC be a place where you suddenly raise your standards? If you've been supporting for a Hall of Famer for years here, even if close to the border, why would you suddenly stop at the VC?

The point of the VC, IMO, isn't so much to change standards, but to have a more focused look. In the regular elections, we get a number of passerby votes that dilute the results. In the VC, we eliminate that aspect and perhaps make up for instances where nonchalant voting in the regular election overlooked a player. Thus, I don't see why standards would change - if you think he's a Hall of Famer now, that shouldn't change with the VC barring discussion convincing you to the contrary.

Plus, I know you're a Tommy Bridges guy, and while Bridge and Gomez have somewhat different cases, I think Gomez's election could help Bridge's case.

[leecemark]

--To be honest part of why Gomez is on my ballot is because I see Bridges as superior, but more underrated. Gomez in is a good argument for Bridges also making it. This was the factor that pushed Gomez over the border for me - I was not voting for him his first years on the ballot.
--The bigger point is that I don't see the VC as a vehicle for overriding the will of the general electorate unless there is something unusual about the candidate that tends to be over looked by the casual voter - or where non-playing credit aids a candidate who is mostly deserving based on their playing career. Gomez would not be the first candidate I've voted for in the general election where I accepted the decision of the general electorate and did not support in the VC. I'm Not trying to convince anyone else that this is the correct approach, but its one I've used from the beginning of the project.

[Ace Venom]

The point of the VC, IMO, isn't so much to change standards, but to have a more focused look. In the regular elections, we get a number of passerby votes that dilute the results. In the VC, we eliminate that aspect and perhaps make up for instances where nonchalant voting in the regular election overlooked a player. Thus, I don't see why standards would change - if you think he's a Hall of Famer now, that shouldn't change with the VC barring discussion convincing you to the contrary.

I share this opinion. I don't necessarily change my standards when I drop support for a candidate, but I simply stop believing they should be elected to the Hall of Fame. I've actually changed my mind about candidates in the VC (both in favor of or against), but my standards haven't changed. I've simply re-evaluated a candidate and changed my mind for whatever reason.

There are certain candidates who were clearly not given their due in the regular election for whatever reason and have entered through the VC. Some of these I have supported (Maranville) and others I have not (Cooper). We've certainly still managed to do well in the VC voting despite this because candidates are getting in for the most part. This will certainly be the first year where we did not elect a contributor.

[PVNICK]

I think most of my VC posts include the throwaway line I supported so and so in the regular election. However, the count is rapidly growing and ove rtime certain candidates no longer qualify as among the best or whatever at their position. For me Johnny Kling would proably fall into that category. The VanHaltren, Duffy, Ryan trio would fit in and thinking back to the Jake Beckley argument now he now has Sisler, Gehrig, Foxx, Terry, Bottomley, Kuhel, Judge, Greenberg among others to contend with rather than just the 1800s trio of anson, Brouthers and Connor.

[SavoyBG]

Who was the one voter who did not vote for jackie?

[DoubleX]

--The bigger point is that I don't see the VC as a vehicle for overriding the will of the general electorate unless there is something unusual about the candidate that tends to be over looked by the casual voter - or where non-playing credit aids a candidate who is mostly deserving based on their playing career. Gomez would not be the first candidate I've voted for in the general election where I accepted the decision of the general electorate and did not support in the VC. I'm Not trying to convince anyone else that this is the correct approach, but its one I've used from the beginning of the project.

I see the VC as more of a check on the general electorate because of some of the inevitable shortcomings that I mentioned above, or else there would be no point in having a VC. The point of the VC, IMO, is to have a more focused and dedicated group of voters review players. For the most part, I think the VC has done a good job here, often electing no more than 1 player every 5 years. Seems fair and far from gratuitous or overriding the will of the general electorate.

I think most of my VC posts include the throwaway line I supported so and so in the regular election. However, the count is rapidly growing and ove rtime certain candidates no longer qualify as among the best or whatever at their position. For me Johnny Kling would proably fall into that category. The VanHaltren, Duffy, Ryan trio would fit in and thinking back to the Jake Beckley argument now he now has Sisler, Gehrig, Foxx, Terry, Bottomley, Kuhel, Judge, Greenberg among others to contend with rather than just the 1800s trio of anson, Brouthers and Connor.

And that's really the essence of this project, IMO. Beckley may be increasingly looking like a weaker candidate based on the 50+ years of baseball since he retired, but in the context of voting way back then, ignoring knowledge of the future, he looked pretty good. Granted, not of the big 3 from the 1880s, but after them, there really weren't any other 1Bman with the kind of career as Beckley's.

[Ace Venom]

I see the VC as more of a check on the general electorate because of some of the inevitable shortcomings that I mentioned above, or else there would be no point in having a VC. The point of the VC, IMO, is to have a more focused and dedicated group of voters review players. For the most part, I think the VC has done a good job here, often electing no more than 1 player every 5 years. Seems fair and far from gratuitous or overriding the will of the general electorate.

That's a fair assessment of the VC. Most years, we've only elected one candidate if we've elected any. More than one is generally seen as an odd year.

And that's really the essence of this project, IMO. Beckley may be increasingly looking like a weaker candidate based on the 50+ years of baseball since he retired, but in the context of voting way back then, ignoring knowledge of the future, he looked pretty good. Granted, not of the big 3 from the 1880s, but after them, there really weren't any other 1Bman with the kind of career as Beckley's.

I generally try to put the player in the context of his time rather than worrying about who came next. IMHO, the big problem that Bob Elliot has had in his candidacy is the unfortunate overlap with the big numbers put up by Eddie Mathews after Elliot's retirement during his candidacy in the general electorate. For those with future knowledge beyond the 1960s, another third baseman with a very public case is going to run into similar problem.

This the problem I generally avoid when placing votes in the VC. I generally try to see if the candidate would fit in with the candidates already elected, but it's also an important point for me not to overlook time factor. It's hard to look past modern numbers sometimes when considering candidates, but it's also important to remember what things were like for players in the 19th century and then later the dead ball era (i.e. the standards of the position). We often forget how much changed when Babe Ruth came around. I realize this isn't the most popular opinion, but it's one I have.

[Ace Venom]

This election concluded a few days ago and I'm going to be delayed in posting up the next election due to graduate school responsibilities. Jackie Robinson and Bob Feller are the representatives of the class of 1961. Roy Campanella and George Kell are two strong candidates representing the incoming class for 1962. Here's the incoming class of newly eligible candidates I have for 1962:

Frank Baumholtz
Tommy Byrne
Roy Campanella
Joe Collins
Walker Cooper
Steve Gromek
Art Houtteman
George Kell
Bob Kennedy
Ellis Kindler
Bob Kuzava
Ron Northey
Eddie Robinson
Andy Seminick
Dizzy Trout
Wes Westrum

I also have the Negro League elections due up in 1962 with first time appearances by Monte Irvin and Buck O'Neil on the ballot.

[Brad Harris]

Roy Campanella and George Kell are two strong candidates representing the incoming class for 1962.
I thought you said two strong candidates? :rofl:

[Ace Venom]

I thought you said two strong candidates? :rofl:

I generally considered Kell underrated.

[Fielding Marshall]

I generally considered Kell underrated.

I second this.

His stats may or may not look underwhelming, but they're quite good in the context of his era. Look him up on BB-Ref.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kellge01.shtml

[jjpm74]

George Kell's case is pretty weak. Let's see how he compares to Bob Elliott and Al Rosen:

WARP3

Career

Bob Elliott 66.3
George Kell 40.4
Al Rosen 40.3

Best 5

Al Rosen 10.7--9.8--7.4--5.7--4.6 = 38.2
Bob Elliott 9.9--8.2--7.1--6.8--5.5 = 37.5
George Kell 6.5--5.7--5.2--4.9--4.5 = 26.8

George Kell benefitted from some padding and a much longer career than Rosen and still only edges out Rosen by .1 for his career WARP3. Elliott, who about 35-40% still are not voting for had a peak similar to Rosen's plus a career that beats both out by 22 points. Elliott blows Kell out of the water in both career value and best 5. Voting George Kell into our HOF would significantly lower our existing standards. He does not belong and will not have my vote next year.

[dgarza]

WARP3

Career

Bob Elliott 66.3
Ezra Sutton 43.6
George Kell 40.4
Al Rosen 40.3

Best 5

Al Rosen 10.7--9.8--7.4--5.7--4.6 = 38.2
Bob Elliott 9.9--8.2--7.1--6.8--5.5 = 37.5
Ezra Sutton 7.7--6.6--5.6--3.8--3.7 = 27.4
George Kell 6.5--5.7--5.2--4.9--4.5 = 26.8

Even if Kell would become the least of our 3B inducted, I don't think he would significantly lower our standards. Solely based on WARP3, is Kell really much different than Ezra Sutton (who is in)?

[jalbright]

Ezra Sutton 24.98 Win Shares per 162 games
George Kell 20.67 Win Shares per 162 games

Sutton gets hammered by playing in the early days if you don't give any adjustment for playing time. Consider that factor, though, and in my book he comes out ahead of Kell.

[dgarza]

Ezra Sutton 24.98 Win Shares per 162 games
George Kell 20.67 Win Shares per 162 games

How do their Top 5 look?

[KCGHOST]

I've voted for Gomez and Bridges every year. Their candidacies do have flaws so it doesn't bother me that others see them as being too flawed. Over the course of time just about all of us are going to be on both sides of this fence.

[SavoyBG]

George Kell's case is pretty weak. Let's see how he compares to Bob Elliott and Al Rosen:

WARP3

Career

Bob Elliott 66.3
George Kell 40.4
Al Rosen 40.3

Best 5

Al Rosen 10.7--9.8--7.4--5.7--4.6 = 38.2
Bob Elliott 9.9--8.2--7.1--6.8--5.5 = 37.5
George Kell 6.5--5.7--5.2--4.9--4.5 = 26.8

George Kell benefitted from some padding and a much longer career than Rosen and still only edges out Rosen by .1 for his career WARP3. Elliott, who about 35-40% still are not voting for had a peak similar to Rosen's plus a career that beats both out by 22 points. Elliott blows Kell out of the water in both career value and best 5. Voting George Kell into our HOF would significantly lower our existing standards. He does not belong and will not have my vote next year.

Kell is only in Cooperstown for one bogus reason...

HIGH BATTING AVERAGE

[DoubleX]

I'm unlikely to vote for Kell, but I think he's someone who could be hurt here by the stigma of being a lesser Cooperstown selection and perhaps not measuring up to several later 20th Century 3Bmen who are on the outside of Cooperstown.

Objective of his Cooperstown selection and ignoring the wave of better 3Bmen that will come later in the 20th Century, Kell was a good player with fairly rare longevity and consistency for a 3Bman up to this juncture, and probably closer to both our line and less of a mistake for Cooperstown than some might credit him. Kell also may have had a few good years left in him if not for the Reserve Clause and the Orioles preferring go with the promising youngster, Brooks Robinson.

Regardless, Kell needs to get in line behind Bob Elliot.

[Freakshow]

How do their Top 5 look?Top 5 seasons in scheduled-adjusted Win Shares:

40.3-34.3-31.4-24.0-23.1 Ezra Sutton
27.4-25.2-25.2-23.1-23.1 George Kell

Career AWS has Sutton over Kell 358-238.

[dgarza]

Top 5 seasons in scheduled-adjusted Win Shares:

40.3-34.3-31.4-24.0-23.1 Ezra Sutton
27.4-25.2-25.2-23.1-23.1 George Kell

Career AWS has Sutton over Kell 358-238.I was really asking about staight WS.

[jjpm74]

I was really asking about staight WS.

Why do you want to compare an apple to an orange? When using win shares as a tool, AWS is the only legitimate way to compare a player who played in the 1860s and 1870s to a player who played in the 1940s and 1950s.

[dgarza]

Why do you want to compare an apple to an orange? When using win shares as a tool, AWS is the only legitimate way to compare a player who played in the 1860s and 1870s to a player who played in the 1940s and 1950s.Simple: because I want to know what the original real numbers are. I don't always need other people to make "adjustments" for me. I can figure things out on my own if and how I want to.

So... is anyone willing or brave enough to throw out the original WS numbers I'm requesting?

[Paul Wendt]

Ezra Sutton joined a professional team in the second overt pro season, 1870. He was one of six star players whom Hulbert & Spalding targeted when they upgraded the Chicago White Stockings and disrupted the National Association. Only Sutton turned them down. (The others were Cap Anson and Boston's Big Four including Spalding.)

--
Original real Win Shares for major leagues 1876 to 2001 are published in the Win Shares book. Unfortunately James & Heinzler started in 1876 (too bad for Ezra Sutton) and there is now keen interest in considering the third millenium "historically" (see the current nomination of Bernie Williams and Johan Santana in Collaboration v2.0, not to mention the Decade thread next door).

I understand that there is now a Bill James website, largely for paying customers but some data are public. I don't know the scope.

Early in the Hall of Merit project online, Chris Cobb estimated Win Shares for 1871-75. I doubt that I looked at them and I don't find a thread named for that work (directory (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/discussion/the_baseball_hall_of_merits_important_links/)).

[DoubleX]

Why do you want to compare an apple to an orange? When using win shares as a tool, AWS is the only legitimate way to compare a player who played in the 1860s and 1870s to a player who played in the 1940s and 1950s.

Even with adjusted win shares, I still think we're comparing apples to oranges in many ways between Sutton's time and Kell's. The game has changed so much since Sutton's time, especially the length of a season - there's just too much extrapolation, IMO, to believe that adjusted win shares is comparing an even playing field - we're basically doubling the length of Sutton's career. Who knows how different his career would have turned out if it were twice as long, or conversely if Kell's was twice as short, not to mention the other differences in the game that have evolved since Sutton's era (such as mound distance, rule changes, equipment used, and strategy).

Consequently, for the reasons stated above, I have a hard time comparing early professional players to later generations. We definitely should honor those players, I'm just not sure how instructive it is to compare them to later generations which share a greater consistency of the game's development.

[jalbright]

Simple: because I want to know what the original real numbers are. I don't always need other people to make "adjustments" for me. I can figure things out on my own if and how I want to.

So... is anyone willing or brave enough to throw out the original WS numbers I'm requesting?

Only with the game data included:


Ezra Sutton ………… ……….,,, George Kell
Year……..… games WS Year…. games win shares
1883....... 94 21 1947 152 24
1884....... 110 28 1948 92 11
1885....... 110 22 1949 134 24
1886....... 116 16 1950 157 26
1887....... 77 11 1951 147 22
total....... 517 98 ..... 682 106
career..... 1001 158* ..... 1795 229

*=post 1875


The red seasons are their three best seasons in win shares.

Comparing both raw scores and per 162 games (realizing we do not have win shares before 1876):


............. raw........ per 162
top 3..... K 74-71... S 36.63-27.06
5 consec.. K 106-98... S 30.71-25.18
career..... K 229-158* S 25.62-20.67