BBF VC Progressive HoF Negro League Players Election: 1957

[Ace Venom]

BBF VC Progressive HoF Negro League Committee: 1957 Election

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Below is a master list of players who have spent time in various Negro Leagues and players who played in major or minor leagues before the color line was enforced. All players on the list ceased play in 1947. Exceptions are being age 45 by 1957 or having died between 1952 and 1957, waiving the five-year wait. There are some newcomers to the ballot that were mistakenly omitted from the 1952 ballot that still deserve consideration.You can vote for anyone on the final ballot below and you can vote for up to two write in candidates. Anyone can comment, but only ballots from the VC will be counted in the election. The election concludes at the close of the regular election, which is August 14 at 12:53 PM EDT.

For the 1962 Negro Leagues Players VC election, those eligible are:

1. Candidates who received at least 2 votes in the 1957 election;
2. Write-in candidates who received at least 50% of the vote;
3. Any newly eligible players who retired from play in 1957 and did not have enough significant Major or Minor League experience between 1957 and 1962 to warrant inclusion on the player's ballot.
4. Candidates who are at least age 45 at some point before 1962; and
5. Players who died any time between 1957 and 1962, thereby waiving their five-year wait.

Players Elected (27)
John Beckwith
James "Cool Papa" Bell
Oscar Charleston
Andy Cooper
Martin Dihigo
Willie Foster
Josh Gibson
Frank Grant
Pete Hill
Grant Johnson
Buck Leonard
John Henry Lloyd
Dick Lundy
Biz Macky
Jose Mendez
Bill Monroe
Alejandro Oms
Spotswood Poles
Dick Redding
Bullet Rogan
Louis Santop
Turkey Stearnes
Mule Suttles
Christobal Torriente
Willie Wells
Smokey Joe Williams
Jud Wilson

Final Ballot (35)
Sam Bankhead
Dave Barnhill
William Bell, Sr.
Chet Brewer
Ray Brown
Willard "Home Run" Brown
William Byrd
William "Sug" Cornelius
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Bingo DeMoss
Pat Dougherty
Felix "Chin" Evans
Rube Foster
John "Bud" Fowler
Joe Greene
Bob Griffith
Vic Harris
Cowan Hyde
Bill Jackman
Judy Johnson
Henry Kimbo
Lester Lockett
Jimmie Lyons
Satchel Paige
Bruce Petway
Andrew Porter
Cumberland Posey
Ted Radcliffe
Neal Robinson
Chino Smith
Eugene Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

*Bold denotes first time eligible.

Previous Election Results

1952 Final Results (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91175)
t1) Cool Papa Bell: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Martin Dihigo: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Buck Leonard: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Biz Mackey: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t5) Mule Suttles: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
t5) Willie Wells: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
t5) Jud Wilson: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
8) Dick Lundy: 9 Votes (81.82%) - Elected
9) Rube Foster: 8 Votes (72.73%)
10) Judy Johnson: 6 Votes (54.55%)
11) Cumberland Posey: 5 Votes (45.46%)
t12) Bill Jackman: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t12) Ted Radcliffe: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t12) Ben Taylor: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t15) Bruce Petway: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t15) Chino Smith: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t17) William Bell, Sr.: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Chet Brewer: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Bingo DeMoss: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) John "Bud" Fowler: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Vic Harris: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Luis Tiant, Sr.: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t23) William Dismukes: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) John Donaldson: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Frank Duncan: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Charles Grant: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Sammy T. Hughes: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Hurley McNair: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Alec Radcliffe: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) George Stovey: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Candy Jim Taylor: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Sol White: 1 Vote (9.09%)

1947 Final Results (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=901091947)
t1) Josh Gibson: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) John Henry "Pop" Lloyd: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Bullet Rogan: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Norman "Turkey" Stearnes: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Smokey Joe Williams: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t6) John Beckwith: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Oscar Charleston: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Pete Hill: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Jose Mendez: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Richard "Cannonball Dick" Redding: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Louis Santop: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t12) Andy Cooper: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Frank Grant: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Grant "Home Run" Johnson: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Spot Poles: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Cristobal Torriente: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t17) Willie Foster: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t17) Bill Monroe: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t17) Alejandro Oms: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t20) Rube Foster: 8 Votes (66.67%)
t20) Chino Smith: 8 Votes (66.67%)
t22) Bill Jackman: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t22) Sol White: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t22) Jud Wilson: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t25) John "Bud" Fowler: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t25) Ben Taylor: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t25) Jesse "Nip" Winters: 5 Votes (41.67%)
28) William "Judy" Johnson: 4 Votes (33.33%)
t29) Bingo DeMoss: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) John Donaldson: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) Bruce Petway: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) Cumberland Posey: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) George Stovey: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t34) William Dismukes: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t34) C.I. Taylor: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t36) Philip Cockrell: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Floyd "Jelly" Gardner: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Dave Malarcher: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Alonzo Mitchell: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Moses "Fleet" Walker: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Frank Warfield: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Frank Wickware: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Clarence Williams: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) George Williams: 1 Vote (8.33%)

Master List - Bold denotes a player on the ballot
Newton H. Allen
Walter Ball
Sam Bankhead
Dave Barnhill
Bernando Baro
Clifford Bell
William Bell, Sr.
Emmet Bowman
Chet Brewer
George "Chippy" Britt
Chester Brooks
Larry "Iron Man" Brown
Ray Brown
Willard "Home Run" Brown
Harry Buckner
William Byrd
Walter "Rev" Cannady
Phillip Cockrell
William "Sug" Cornelius
Jimmie Crutchfield
Ray Dandridge
Leon Daniels
Saul Davis
Leon Day
Felix Delgado
Bingo DeMoss
Lou Dials
William Dismukes
Herbert "Rap" Dixon
John Donaldson
Pat Dougherty
William Drake
Frank Duncan
Eddie Dwight
Felix "Chin" Evans
Jose Fernandez
Rube Foster
John “Bud” Fowler
Floyd “Jelly” Gardner
George Giles
Charles Grant
Joe Greene
Bob Griffith
Vic Harris
Arthur “Rats” Henderson
Bill Holland
Crush Holloway
Jess Hubbard
Sammy T. Huges
Cowan Hyde
Bill Jackman
Fats Jenkins
George “Chappie” Johnson
Oscar Johnson
William “Judy” Johnson
Newt Joseph
Henry Kimbo
Milfred Laurent
Scrip Lee
Frank Leland
Lester Lockett
Jimmie Lyons
Dave Malarcher
Oliver Marcell
Dan McClellan
Hurley McNair
Alonzo Mitchell
Ted Page
Satchel Paige
Red Parnell
Jap Payne
Bill Pettus
Bruce Petway
Andrew Porter
Cumberland Posey
Alec Radcliffe
Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
Neal Robinson
William Robinson
Bullet Rogan
Nat Rogers
Merven “Red” Ryan
George Scales
Chino Smith
Clarence Smith
Eugene Smith
Hilton Smith
Jake Stephens
George Stovey
Ben Taylor
Candy Jim Taylor
“Steel Arm Johnny” Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe
Moses “Fleet” Walker
Frank Warfield
Chaney White
Sol White
Frank Wickware
Waibishaw Wiley
Chet Williams
Clarence Williams
George Williams
George Wilson
Jesse “Nip” Winters
Bill Wright
Laymon Yokely

[Ace Venom]

The Veteran's Committee

Ace Venom
ag2004
blueblood
brad harris
captain cold nose
cowtipper
dgarza
Domenic
DoubleX
freakshow
henrich
Jalbright
jjpm74
KCGhost
Leecemark
mwiggins
Paul Wendt
pvnick
SavoyBG
Windy City Fan

Another order of business for this election will be to trim the general VC list and create a special committee of twelve members for the Negro League Players election.

[Ace Venom]

Can someone change the title of the thread to:

BBF VC Progressive HoF Negro League Players Election: 1957

Thanks in advance.

[jjpm74]

You have this closing September 14. You mean August 14, right?

[jjpm74]

Ballot:

Ray Brown
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Rube Foster
John "Bud" Fowler
Vic Harris
Bill Jackman
Dobie Moore (Write in)
Satchel Paige
Bruce Petway
Ted Radcliffe
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe

[Ace Venom]

You have this closing September 14. You mean August 14, right?

Why the heck not? I got the thread title screwed up too. I fixed the date to fall in August.

[Ace Venom]

My ballot:

Ray Brown
Willard Brown
William Byrd
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Rube Foster
Vic Harris
Judy Johnson
Henry Kimbo
Lester Lockett
Satchel Paige
Ted Radcliffe
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

[Cowtipper]

William Bell
Ray Brown
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Bingo DeMoss
Rube Foster
Bud Fowler
Vic Harris
Judy Johnson
Satchel Paige
Bruce Petway
Alex Radcliffe
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor

[PVNICK]

Chet Brewer
Rube Foster
Bill Jackman
William "Judy" Johnson
Bruce Petway
Cumberland Posey
Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
Ben Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.

[Brad Harris]

Chet Brewer
Ray Brown
Willard "Home Run" Brown
Leon Day
Rube Foster
Bud Fowler
Vic Harris
Bill Jackman
Satchel Paige
Bruce Petway
Cumberland Posey
Ted Radcliffe
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

Dobie Moore - Nomination

[jalbright]

R. Brown
W. Brown
Dandridge
Day
Jackman
Paige
C. Smith
H. Smith
Trouppe

write in: Dobie Moore

[SavoyBG]

Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Judy Johnson
Satchel Paige
Double Duty Radcliffe
Ben Taylor

[dgarza]

Ray Brown
Willard "Home Run" Brown
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Rube Foster
William “Judy” Johnson
Satchel Paige
Cumberland Posey
Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
Hilton Smith

[jjpm74]

I added Dobie Moore to my ballot as a write in.

[Domenic]

Ray Brown
Leon Day
Bill Jackman
Judy Johnson
Satchel Paige
Ted Radcliffe
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor
Quincy Trouppe

Write-In: Dobie Moore

[leecemark]

Ray Brown
Satchel Paige

[jjpm74]

Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Judy Johnson
Satchel Paige
Double Duty Radcliffe
Ben Taylor

Did you accidentally miss Ray Brown? if not, what is he missing that Radcliffe, Johnson and Taylor have? He is on all but one other ballot listed so far with the exception of yours and is one of the best pitchers ever to have played in the NeL.

[Ace Venom]

This is a friendly reminder to vote. Keep in mind that I am considering forming a separate committee for the Negro League elections. First dibs go to VC members who voted here. I'd like to get at least 12 members here (like for the contributor's ballot).

As far as 1962 eligibility, the list of first time eligible candidates is going to shrink. We're mostly dealing with minor league talent ten years after integration, though some holdovers who did not have enough time in MLB, but enough time in the Negro Leagues combined with MLB numbers, still exist (see Monte Irvin).

[jjpm74]

This is a friendly reminder to vote. Keep in mind that I am considering forming a separate committee for the Negro League elections. First dibs go to VC members who voted here. I'd like to get at least 12 members here (like for the contributor's ballot).

As far as 1962 eligibility, the list of first time eligible candidates is going to shrink. We're mostly dealing with minor league talent ten years after integration, though some holdovers who did not have enough time in MLB, but enough time in the Negro Leagues combined with MLB numbers, still exist (see Monte Irvin).

Besides for Monte Irvin, we also have a very notable player in Bus Clarkson next election (and possibly a few others):

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1137630&postcount=777

IMO, we will not be fully finished with the NeL end of this project until sometime in the mid-late 1970s.

[Ace Venom]

Voting closes tomorrow and I don't want to have to close it with only 10 votes. Come out and vote.

[AG2004]

My ballot:

Ray Brown
Williard Brown
Leon Day
Rube Foster
Bill Jackman
Dobie Moore (write-in)
Satchel Paige
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe

[Ace Venom]

We elected three players this time. No one received unanimous support.

1957 Final Results (11 Votes Cast, 9 Required for Election)
1) Satchel Paige: 10 Votes (90.91%) - Elected
t2) Ray Brown: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t2) Leon Day: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t4) Rube Foster: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Ted Radcliffe: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Hilton Smith: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t7) Ray Dandridge: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Bill Jackman: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Judy Johnson: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Quincy Trouppe: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t11) Willard Brown: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Dobie Moore: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Chino Smith: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Ben Taylor: 5 Votes (45.45%)
15) Vic Harris: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t16) John "Bud" Fowler: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t16) Cumberland Posey: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t16) Luis Tiant, Sr.: 3 Votes (27.27%)
19) Chet Brewer: 2 Votes (18.18%)
Cutoff for 1962 Ballot
t20) William Bell: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) William Byrd: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Bingo DeMoss: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Henry Kimbo: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Lester Lockett: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Alex Radcliffe: 1 Vote (9.09%)

[SavoyBG]

We elected three players this time. No one received unanimous support.

1957 Final Results (11 Votes Cast, 9 Required for Election)
1) Satchel Paige: 10 Votes (90.91%) - Elected
t2) Ray Brown: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t2) Leon Day: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t4) Rube Foster: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Ted Radcliffe: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Hilton Smith: 7 Votes (63.64%)


Good job, Ace. It worked out okay since nobody else would have been elected if we had a 12th voter anyway.

NOW

Who was the stroonce who didn't vote for Paige?

[Domenic]

Good job, Ace. It worked out okay since nobody else would have been elected if we had a 12th voter anyway.

I agree - nicely done, Ace!

Who was the stroonce who didn't vote for Paige?

PVNICK is the man that you're looking for. I am shocked, as well, that he wasn't a unanimous selection...

[Ace Venom]

I suspect it was an accidental omission.

[PVNICK]

I agree - nicely done, Ace!



PVNICK is the man that you're looking for. I am shocked, as well, that he wasn't a unanimous selection...
I totally missed his name on the ballot.:ooo:

[Domenic]

I totally missed his name on the ballot.:ooo:

How dare you commit such an atrocity?

:p

It's an understandable mistake. I had to edit him in, as I missed him the first time through, as well. I try to check everyone's ballots, too, just to be safe.

[Paul Wendt]

Voting closes tomorrow and I don't want to have to close it with only 10 votes. Come out and vote.

Sorry about that. I was away for ten days except one internet session. I would have voted for Paige, Brown, and Foster --and not for Day. It's good to see that no single ballot would have made a difference in either direction. It's interesting to see how pitchers dominate the ballot at this stage.