Jesus Guzman

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Hey, any opinions on whether Jesus Guzman has any value to us. He hitting well this year at Fresno (.330 / 11 HR / 53 RBI) after tearing up Double AA / Triple AAA last year (combined .349 / 17 / 88). He's only 25. His problem seems to be finding a position. He looks to be strictly a corner infielder at this point, probably because his trial at 2B didn't go so well. Last year, he made 22 errors in 97 games in the field, including a .949 fielding % (8 errors) in 32 games at 2B. Obviously, he's not moving Sandoval or Ishi.

I wonder whether we can package Guzman as more than a thrown-in piece for a Freddie Sanchez or preferably Dan Uggla. Or preferably Roy Hala....

Oh forget it :hp

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Guzman is trade bait. I like him but he has no place to play. And I say no to Fan...opps...I mean Dan Uggla

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Guzman is trade bait. I like him but he has no place to play. And I say no to Fan...opps...I mean Dan Uggla

You say no to Dan Uggla?? I actually think we should be buyers and acquire him while his value is down.

Do me and you agree on anything in terms of personnel moves??

[Honus Wagner Rules]

You say no to Dan Uggla?? I actually think we should be buyers and acquire him while his value is down.

Yes, I say no to Dan Uggla. Besides the Marlins are in the playoff hunt so I doubt they will be sellers. The Giants shouldn't trade at all. They need to stay the course and focus on 2010-11. If they manage to win the Wild Card this season then great. If the fall short then that's ok, too. But I don't want the Giants to trade their top prospects just so the can win 86 games this season. Stay the course and wait for Posey, Neal, Keischnick, Crawford, Alderson and Bumgarner to reach the majors. And give Ishikawa, Bowker, and Schierholtz a chance to see what they can do.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Yes, I say no to Dan Uggla. Besides the Marlins are in the playoff hunt so I doubt they will be sellers. The Giants shouldn't trade at all. They need to stay the course and focus on 2010-11. If they manage to win the Wild Card this season then great. If the fall short then that's ok, too. But I don't want the Giants to trade their top prospects just so the can win 86 games this season. Stay the course and wait for Posey, Neal, Keischnick, Crawford, Alderson and Bumgarner to reach the majors. And give Ishikawa, Bowker, and Schierholtz a chance to see what they can do.

I strongly disagree with your premise because some or all of those propects will either A) not pan out or B) a couple pan out but are not very productive for 3-4 years, in which time we've lost Lincecum, Cain and/or others. It's great you say don't trade Alderson or don't trade Neal, but these are still YOUNG PLAYERS. What happens is Neal is not productive until age 25 or Alderson at 24? Our team could be entirely different at that time. The situation might have changed for us.

I'm not saying we should give up our top prospects and completely mortgage the future. But when you have a chance to acquire a 2-time all star who's having a down year at a still young age, and it doesn't cost you that much, you should make the deal. You have to strike a balance between grooming the system and acquiring PROVEN players. We already know Uggla can play at an all star level, but do we know that Burriss can? He was basically handed the job and he got demoted. You're so sure Crawford's the answer? He currently batting .254 with 2 HR and 13 RBI.

It's absolutely imperative we leverage some of our young talent to get proven, effective ML players. As long as the scouting staff does their homework, the goal is to keep our better minor leaguers and make available the less promising. We need to make bold moves when the window of opportunity to win in there, and IMO its getting very close. It's very narrow minded to stand pat just because you don't want to part with any prospects, especially when your a player or two away. That's very ridged thinking and not the correct approach.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

I have a good trade idea:

Jonathan Sanchez, Jesus Guzman, Joe Patterson OR Henry Sosa for Dan Uggla


The Giants would lose next to nothing here, and would get an all star 2B still in his prime. With the great young pitching coming up, Sanchez starting days are numbered. Jesus Guzman is out of position. Patterson or Sosa are solid prospects, but not our top ones.

Oh god how I wish I was a GM :hissyfit:

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Oh god how I wish I was a GM

thats why I like strato matic

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I strongly disagree with your premise because some or all of those propects will either A) not pan out or B) a couple pan out but are not very productive for 3-4 years, in which time we've lost Lincecum, Cain and/or others.
Of course not all prospects pan out. But that is not the point. We just don't know who will pan out and the for the one that do pan out we don't know how long it will take them to pan out. Just because we don't is not a reason to get an ichy finger and just make a trade to make a trade.



It's great you say don't trade Alderson or don't trade Neal, but these are still YOUNG PLAYERS. What happens is Neal is not productive until age 25 or Alderson at 24? Our team could be entirely different at that time. The situation might have changed for us.
What if Alderson and Neal hit the ground running in the majors? It didn't take long for Pablo to be a contributor. The thing is that we just don't know.



I'm not saying we should give up our top prospects and completely mortgage the future. But when you have a chance to acquire a 2-time all star who's having a down year at a still young age, and it doesn't cost you that much, you should make the deal.
Uggla is not that young. He'll be 30 next March. Is there any word that the Marlins want to trade him? Since they are in the playoff hunt I seriously doubt they will be trading a starter. Also, Uggla is not that good. He strikes out a ton and is not a good defensive player. If we are going to trade then trade for a really good player. But really good players are hard to get. Now if the Padres are willing to trade Adrian Gonzales, then thats a trade I would go for.



You have to strike a balance between grooming the system and acquiring PROVEN players. We already know Uggla can play at an all star level, but do we know that Burriss can? He was basically handed the job and he got demoted. You're so sure Crawford's the answer? He currently batting .254 with 2 HR and 13 RBI.
And? Pablo was basically handed a job and look what he did. Look how Shierholtz responded when became a starter? And now with Bowker getting playing time it will be interesting to see how he players. He very well could be another piece of the puzzle.




It's absolutely imperative we leverage some of our young talent to get proven, effective ML players. As long as the scouting staff does their homework, the goal is to keep our better minor leaguers and make available the less promising. We need to make bold moves when the window of opportunity to win in there, and IMO its getting very close.
Sure, but you do that that when the team is already really good and they are one or two players away, like the Yankees adding Reggie in 1977. The Giants are not 1-2 players away.



It's very narrow minded to stand pat just because you don't want to part with any prospects, especially when your a player or two away. That's very ridged thinking and not the correct approach.

Oh you mean like the Cleveland Indians of the 1990s who built a powerhouse team with most of their key players bieng home grown? Or the Blue Jays of the 1980's? Or the Twins of the 2000's. Teams have been successful with building within for decades.

Also, would we even be having this discussion if the Giants were 38-50? The Giants are far more than 1-2 players away. The offense is still poor. And the great starting staff is really just Lincecum and Cain. The 3-4-5 pitchers have been up and down all season.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I have a good trade idea:

Jonathan Sanchez, Jesus Guzman, Joe Patterson OR Henry Sosa for Dan Uggla


The Giants would lose next to nothing here, and would get an all star 2B still in his prime. With the great young pitching coming up, Sanchez starting days are numbered. Jesus Guzman is out of position. Patterson or Sosa are solid prospects, but not our top ones.

Oh god how I wish I was a GM :hissyfit:

If you were the Marlins' GM would you want those players?

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Of course not all prospects pan out. But that is not the point. We just don't know who will pan out and the for the one that do pan out we don't know how long it will take them to pan out. Just because we don't is not a reason to get an ichy finger and just make a trade to make a trade.

We not making a trade just to make a trade, we'd make a trade for Dan Uggla, 2-time NL all-star. This is not some mediocre player here. He's having a bit of a down year, so now's the time to trade for him on the cheap, while he's still relatively young. The Giants have a huge void at 2B, with no real option in the system to take over. Uggla would be a meaningful acquisition.



What if Alderson and Neal hit the ground running in the majors? It didn't take long for Pablo to be a contributor. The thing is that we just don't know.

Thats right, you never really know. That's why you have to depend and trust your internal scouting system and trade players you think have a lesser impact on the big club, if at all. Just because you don't ever really know who eventually pans out is not reason to stand pat and not trade for ESTABLISHED players now. Thats why you having GM constantly evaluating talent.



Uggla is not that young. He'll be 30 next March. Is there any word that the Marlins want to trade him? Since they are in the playoff hunt I seriously doubt they will be trading a starter. Also, Uggla is not that good. He strikes out a ton and is not a good defensive player. If we are going to trade then trade for a really good player. But really good players are hard to get. Now if the Padres are willing to trade Adrian Gonzales, then thats a trade I would go for.

29 is still relatively young. He still has a few good years left in him if he takes care of himself. He's still in his prime or very close to.



And? Pablo was basically handed a job and look what he did. Look how Shierholtz responded when became a starter? And now with Bowker getting playing time it will be interesting to see how he players. He very well could be another piece of the puzzle.

First of all, Schierholz hasn't done anything yet. He's gotten off to a good start, but has faded lately. His OPS is only .723 in 160 AB's, which is obviously nothing to write home about. This is his third stint in as many years in the Major Leagues, and I have yet to see a meaningful offensive improvement. I personally think he's going to fail, but we shall see. I agree, we should play Bowker more, he could very well be a piece. I never recommended trading him.


Sure, but you do that that when the team is already really good and they are one or two players away, like the Yankees adding Reggie in 1977. The Giants are not 1-2 players away.

The Giants are more like 2-4 pieces away, depending on the scale of the pieces. All the more reason acquiring Uggla for fringe prospects is more appealing, because you'd be 1 piece closer.


Oh you mean like the Cleveland Indians of the 1990s who built a powerhouse team with most of their key players bieng home grown? Or the Blue Jays of the 1980's? Or the Twins of the 2000's. Teams have been successful with building within for decades.

The key word being 'most'. The Blue Jays never won the WS in the 80's, or even went to a WS. It was the key pieces management brought in in the 90's that pushed them over the top. Acquiring FA's like Paul Molitor and Dave Winfield, and trading for Tom Candiotti, David Cone and Rickey Henderson at the trade deadline. I remember 1 main piece of the deal for Henderson was for the Jays top pitching prospect, Steve Karsay. He was one of the top SP prospects in baseball at the time. He eventually played briefly in the majors & flamed out.


Also, would we even be having this discussion if the Giants were 38-50? The Giants are far more than 1-2 players away. The offense is still poor. And the great starting staff is really just Lincecum and Cain. The 3-4-5 pitchers have been up and down all season.

No, we probably would be. But the Giants arn't 38-50, they're 49-39 and playing some of the best baseball over the past 2 month period. We have the best bullpen and top 2 rotation guys in baseball. We have an emerging superstar in Sandoval. But given 3-4 good baseball moves we could be right there yes. Uggla would be a huge piece of that because we have a dearth of middle infield talent in the minors. Got some good corner guys, a catcher, pitching and OF but NOT middle infield.

[Rich the Giants fan]

I love Guzman's bat, but his glove is a detriment. I'm not sure how much value he'd hold with other teams, though, considering he was picked up as a minor league free agent.

And again, acquiring Dan Uggla would make me vomit.

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

I love Guzman's bat, but his glove is a detriment. I'm not sure how much value he'd hold with other teams, though, considering he was picked up as a minor league free agent.

And again, acquiring Dan Uggla would make me vomit.
Jesus H. Guzman, the Giants have a bunch of minor league middle infielders. There's Burris, Fransdon, Uribe, Valez, Bowcock...

[Honus Wagner Rules]

The Giants are more like 2-4 pieces away, depending on the scale of the pieces. All the more reason acquiring Uggla for fringe prospects is more appealing, because you'd be 1 piece closer.


Come on, Greg, do you REALLY think the Marlins would trade Uggla for a bunch of fringe prospects? That's not going to happen. I keep hearing these fantasy trades on KNBR all the time. "Let's trade the Giants chaff for an All-star player!", as if the other team is so stupid as to really want the Giants' chaff. Besides I haven't read anything that the Marlins are even shopping Uggla.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Come on, Greg, do you REALLY think the Marlins would trade Uggla for a bunch of fringe prospects? That's not going to happen. I keep hearing these fantasy trades on KNBR all the time. "Let's trade the Giants chaff for an All-star player!", as if the other team is so stupid as to really want the Giants' chaff. Besides I haven't read anything that the Marlins are even shopping Uggla.

I don't know if the Marlins still are listening to Uggla talks. It has been talked about though on some of the blogs, which is why I wrote about it. I may or may not be an option.

Giants Inquire On Uggla
By Eddie Schmid [May 24, 2009 at 7:21pm CST]
Juan C. Rodriguez at the Sun-Sentinel says the Giants have had preliminary discussions with the Marlins about second baseman Dan Uggla, "though they are not believed to have reached general manager level." This jives with reports that Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria wants "substantive changes" for his team. Rodriguez says the Giants would almost certainly have to part with Matt Cain or Jonathan Sanchez if such a deal were to go through. Rodriguez also speculates that the Giants might be kicking the tires on Nick Johnson and Mark DeRosa in their quest for a bat. Continue Reading


Uggla might be making too much money (5.5M), which is why he might be moved.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Matt Cain for Dan Uggla?!? Are they high? Does ANYONE really value Dan Uggla that highly?

I can't understand why anyone would be so interested in acquring a crappy fielding, crappy hitting second baseman unless they are just consumed with home runs, because that's about his only plus.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Matt Cain for Dan Uggla?!? Are they high? Does ANYONE really value Dan Uggla that highly?

I can't understand why anyone would be so interested in acquring a crappy fielding, crappy hitting second baseman unless they are just consumed with home runs, because that's about his only plus.

Rich, you seem to be totally consumed by his performance this year. If you look at his aggregate 4 years in the league, Uggla has an OPS of .821 including a .481 slugging %. that's pretty good. For comparison purposes, All-Star Aaron Hill's OPS is .820 this year, and .761 over his 5 year career with similar AB's. Uggla offensive output is in the upper echelon of ML 2B over his makor league career. He's having a bit of a down year, but he's a young enough & good enough player that the chances of hitting close to his averages are high. Remember, Jeff Kent offensive output took off at age 29, the age at which Uggla is at right now. That would be a HUGE boost to the offence, especially output from a middle infielder.

Uggla's defence maybe another matter. He appears to be surehanded enough at the position, but his range factors check in below average. Of course, that was apparently Jeff Kent's problem too but that worked out pretty well :lookitup

At the end of the day, if we could make a deal involving Sanchez, Guzman and another midling prospect, Uggla is definitely a 'risk' worth taking, a upper echelon hitting second baseman with a modest contract secure until 2011.

[CandlestickBum]

Matt Cain for Dan Uggla?!? Are they high? Does ANYONE really value Dan Uggla that highly?

I can't understand why anyone would be so interested in acquring a crappy fielding, crappy hitting second baseman unless they are just consumed with home runs, because that's about his only plus.

Home runs? Home RUNS?? Oh lawdy lawdy I so love them! *Swoooons*

I think Greg just plain likes trades. Sure doesn't value prospects as anything but trade bait.

I really, really like the patience management has been showing this year, they've been giving everyone enough rope to hang themselves or help pull themselves up.
One result is that nobody misses or bitches about someone like Lewis not playing, and Travis and Schierholtz earning more looks.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

At the end of the day, if we could make a deal involving Sanchez, Guzman and another midling prospect, Uggla is definitely a 'risk' worth taking, a upper echelon hitting second baseman with a modest contract secure until 2011.

Now this I can agree with you on. If the Marlins would settle for those players then go for it. If the Marlins want Posey or MadBum, Sabean should tell the Marlins to go pound sand.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Rich, you seem to be totally consumed by his performance this year. If you look at his aggregate 4 years in the league, Uggla has an OPS of .821 including a .481 slugging %. that's pretty good. For comparison purposes, All-Star Aaron Hill's OPS is .820 this year, and .761 over his 5 year career with similar AB's. Uggla offensive output is in the upper echelon of ML 2B over his makor league career. He's having a bit of a down year, but he's a young enough & good enough player that the chances of hitting close to his averages are high. Remember, Jeff Kent offensive output took off at age 29, the age at which Uggla is at right now. That would be a HUGE boost to the offence, especially output from a middle infielder.

Uggla's defence maybe another matter. He appears to be surehanded enough at the position, but his range factors check in below average. Of course, that was apparently Jeff Kent's problem too but that worked out pretty well :lookitup

At the end of the day, if we could make a deal involving Sanchez, Guzman and another midling prospect, Uggla is definitely a 'risk' worth taking, a upper echelon hitting second baseman with a modest contract secure until 2011.


You make assumptions about what I am looking at.

Here are Uggla's numbers in the last year, since the start of the second half of '08: .227/.340/.414 - 25 HR, 83 RBI, 87 BB, 153 K

Defensively this year:
UZR: -7.2 (2nd worst among qualified 2B)
RZR: .774 (worst among qualified 2B)
+/-: -4 (25th among all 2B)

Career:
UZR: -7.9
RZR: (.831, .776, .812, .774)
+/-: -19


I also agree with Candlestick Bum that you seriously undervalue the Giants Minor League system, ranked 5th best in baseball by Baseball America.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

You make assumptions about what I am looking at.

Here are Uggla's numbers in the last year, since the start of the second half of '08: .227/.340/.414 - 25 HR, 83 RBI, 87 BB, 153 K

Defensively this year:
UZR: -7.2 (2nd worst among qualified 2B)
RZR: .774 (worst among qualified 2B)
+/-: -4 (25th among all 2B)

Career:
UZR: -7.9
RZR: (.831, .776, .812, .774)
+/-: -19


I also agree with Candlestick Bum that you seriously undervalue the Giants Minor League system, ranked 5th best in baseball by Baseball America.

I don't undervalue the system. I've said before I LOVE our system. However, i advocate that we should leverage part of the depth of the system to get some of the pieces we need now. I think we're close enough where a shrewd move or 2 could put us over the top. Furthermore, I don't believe we have sufficient talent at middle infielder who would not be below average. Frandsen is not going to work out and I have serious doubts about whether Burriss will hit enough to start. A Uribe/Frandsen platoon is an extremely poor option for a contending team, especially Uribe on defence.

Again, I don't want to get rid of our top prospects unless we absolutely have to. Maybe we shouldn't trade for Roy Halladay because the price is too high. However, making a play for Uggla at low cost, and perhaps adding a solid FA pitcer & hitter in the off season would do wonders for our team. The problem in aquiring a pitcher though is that we've already been burned by signing Zito long term, and a Lackey or Lee type pitcher would cost $100M. The attractive thing about Halladay is that you don't take on undue contract length risk & destroy the payroll while putting yourself in contention to win now.

But would I give away half the system, such as our three top prospects to make that deal happen? No. Would I deal 2 of our top 5 prospects (minus Bumgarner) + a Sosa & Schierholz/Bowker to make that deal happen? I seriously might. And would I trade 1 of our top 5 prospects (minus the Bumgarner, Vilahona, Posey) plus 2 other mid level guys for Dan Uggla? You bet.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Uribe on defense at 2B this year:

+/-: +4 (3rd in NL despite only 119 innings in the field at 2B)
UZR: 3.2
RZR: .900 (would be tops in MLB if he qualified)


And please, it's VILLALONA.

[Rich the Giants fan]

I wouldn't trade a used piece of gum for Uggla.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Uribe on defense at 2B this year:

+/-: +4 (3rd in NL despite only 119 innings in the field at 2B)
UZR: 3.2
RZR: .900 (would be tops in MLB if he qualified)


And please, it's VILLALONA.

Whatever numbers you're using, I'm not buying. Uribe isn't, and never has been a good defence player. He's a liability whatever you're number say. I've seen him play with my own eyes. The Sox traded for Cabrera because they had concerns about him.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Whatever numbers you're using, I'm not buying. Uribe isn't, and never has been a good defence player. He's a liability whatever you're number say. I've seen him play with my own eyes. The Sox traded for Cabrera because they had concerns about him.

Miscast as he is as a shortstop, he's not much of a third baseman either. But I've watched him play second this year with my own eyes and have zero problem with him there. He's also outperformed Uggla at the plate.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Miscast as he is as a shortstop, he's not much of a third baseman either. But I've watched him play second this year with my own eyes and have zero problem with him there. He's also outperformed Uggla at the plate.

Oh Please! career high OPS of .793 is not better than Uggla in a down year, and only in 190 AB's. Uribe's OPS is 100 points lower career wise in 1400 or so more AB's. Uggla is a MUCH better player, with much more offensive upside, especially in terms of power. Uribe is NOT a starting player on a contending team, although he's a decent extra infielder.

Kevin Frandsen has done sweet F-ALL in 392 AB's. Renteria should be replaced too if it wasn't for his contract. Bottom line is we need to look outside the organization for a viable second baseman.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Oh Please! career high OPS of .793 is not better than Uggla in a down year, and only in 190 AB's. Uribe's OPS is 100 points lower career wise in 1400 or so more AB's. Uggla is a MUCH better player, with much more offensive upside, especially in terms of power. Uribe is NOT a starting player on a contending team, although he's a decent extra infielder.

Kevin Frandsen has done sweet F-ALL in 392 AB's. Renteria should be replaced too if it wasn't for his contract. Bottom line is we need to look outside the organization for a viable second baseman.

I only meant that he's outperformed him this year. Frandsen also really hasn't had a proper chance to show what he can do. If it were up to me, he'd be starting everyday right now.

Frandsen's last 31 games in '07: .367/.429/.561
Frandsen career Minor League: .322/.385/.457
Frandsen in the Minors in '09: .304/.355/.455

I just think the Giants have over achieved so far and to go trading away potentially valuable young players for a player who may, or may not, help this year would be doing the future of the club a disservice.

I also think Uggla is a crappy fielding, crappy hitting player whose best (only) asset is hitting home runs.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

I only meant that he's outperformed him this year. Frandsen also really hasn't had a proper chance to show what he can do. If it were up to me, he'd be starting everyday right now.

Frandsen's last 31 games in '07: .367/.429/.561
Frandsen career Minor League: .322/.385/.457
Frandsen in the Minors in '09: .304/.355/.455

I just think the Giants have over achieved so far and to go trading away potentially valuable young players for a player who may, or may not, help this year would be doing the future of the club a disservice.

I also think Uggla is a crappy fielding, crappy hitting player whose best (only) asset is hitting home runs.

It astounds me how a second baseman with a .824 career OPS is considered a 'crappy hitter'. That is probably a top 3 OPS for second basemen over the past 4 years. Is he the slickiest fielding 2B? No, but neither was Jeff Kent. And Uggla does have offensive value outside of just homeruns. He's walked 50 times in 309 AB's this year and 77 times last year, meaning his OBP is decent despite the low average. It also means he sees a lot of pitches, which is a good thing in general. He also collects an above average number of doubles, pounding out 37 last year and finishing 2nd in the NL in 2007, with 49. Uribe is the polar opposite. He hacks at everything. His .255 is about on par with Uggla but he's never walked more than 34 times in 8 seasons prior to 2009 or had more than 31 doubles. His OPS+ is 81 vs. 113 for Uggla. There's really no comparison between these 2 guys. I won't go further into Frandsen's case other to say that he isn't the answer; maybe not even reserve infielder material. Uggla is also a good fallback option for 3rd base should Ishikawa falter, as Pablo could play first. Please Note: I'm a big believer is Ishi becoming a .280-25-85 type player but it's good to have option just in case.

All I'm saying is that if he's available for a modest price, you grab him. I guess we're on opposite ends of the spectrum here Rich.

[Rich the Giants fan]

I like how you say Frandsen isn't the answer and yet won't back it up with anything concrete.

Yes, Uggla takes walks and hits home runs. He also plays crappy defense, has hit in the .220's for the last year + and strikes out an awful lot. Forgive me for not being impressed.

I've also never said Uribe should be an everyday player, just that this year he has been a lot better than Uggla. I don't see how you can dispute that.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

I like how you say Frandsen isn't the answer and yet won't back it up with anything concrete.

Yes, Uggla takes walks and hits home runs. He also plays crappy defense, has hit in the .220's for the last year + and strikes out an awful lot. Forgive me for not being impressed.

I've also never said Uribe should be an everyday player, just that this year he has been a lot better than Uggla. I don't see how you can dispute that.

My opinion on Frandsen is based partly on what he's done in the Big Leagues, partly on management's reluctance he play him full time, and partly on my own observations. If management really thought Frandsen was the answer, the wouldn't be playing Uribe out of position at 2B. Frandsen has not capatilized on his chances to date, and thats the bottom line, irrespective of his minor league totals.

Uribe has been the better player, but not a much better than you purport. There's only a .030 OPS gap to date on offence. Furthermore, I'm almost 100% sure he will become more exposed the more he plays. His average will be sub .260 before the year ends no doubt. Uggla's track record is of much more upside as I have demonstrated. I would take the chance Uggla returns to trend offensively because his track record shows this and he's still young enough.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Hey, if you want to talk Freddy Sanchez, I'm all ears. Dan Uggla? Pass, thanks.

[CandlestickBum]

Uggla's track record is of much more upside as I have demonstrated. I would take the chance Uggla returns to trend offensively because his track record shows this and he's still young enough.

Uggla is 30, how much upside is there again?

And Fred Lewis saw a lot of pitches with a lot of SO's too, just like Uggla.

And are both lousy fielders.

Maybe that would be a good trade, Lewis for Uggla? :D j/k

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

Uggla is 30, how much upside is there again?

And Fred Lewis saw a lot of pitches with a lot of SO's too, just like Uggla.

And are both lousy fielders.

Maybe that would be a good trade, Lewis for Uggla? :D j/k

First of all Uggla is 29. Second of all, Jeff Kent only came into his own offensively at 29, and kept going strong until north of 40. Uggla's age isn't of question here.

Damn, lotta Uggla haters in here.

[CandlestickBum]

Uggla's age isn't of question here.



See, this is a problem, you are trying to dictate rather than make conversation.

Other people think his age is worthy of discussion, your simple dismissal does not erase other peoples opinions simply you'd like them to.

You've made some conclusions in your mind, and instead of testing their validity against the opinions of others, you are attempting to browbeat people into believing as you do with repetition and assertion.

Sorry, we're not children to be swayed in this fashion. Start addressing us in an intelligent fashion or, speaking for myself, I'll either stoop to mocking, or simply ignoring.

Seeing that I really, really like BBF to be my escape from negative stuff, and like to focus on the positive, I'll mostly just ignore you as being unable to hold up an adult conversation.

I do wish you'd show me wrong.

[Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan]

See, this is a problem, you are trying to dictate rather than make conversation.

Other people think his age is worthy of discussion, your simple dismissal does not erase other peoples opinions simply you'd like them to.

You've made some conclusions in your mind, and instead of testing their validity against the opinions of others, you are attempting to browbeat people into believing as you do with repetition and assertion.

Sorry, we're not children to be swayed in this fashion. Start addressing us in an intelligent fashion or, speaking for myself, I'll either stoop to mocking, or simply ignoring.

Seeing that I really, really like BBF to be my escape from negative stuff, and like to focus on the positive, I'll mostly just ignore you as being unable to hold up an adult conversation.

I do wish you'd show me wrong.

WTF are you talking about??? :crazy

[CandlestickBum]

WTF are you talking about??? :crazy

*sigh*

Why don't you try and break it down one line at a time.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

First of all Uggla is 29. Second of all, Jeff Kent only came into his own offensively at 29, and kept going strong until north of 40. Uggla's age isn't of question here.

Damn, lotta Uggla haters in here.

What does Kent have to do with Uggla? Kent's development into a HoF player is the exception, not the norm.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

What's the word on Brock Bond, the 23 year old second baseman and leadoff man at AA Connecticut? He's hitting:

.354/.448/.417, .865 OPS, 113 H, 11 doubles, 3 triples, 1 HR, 26 RBI, 12 SB, 13 CB, 47 BB, 46 K.

I like the fact that he has more walks than strikeouts. He has zero HR power. Has anyone seen him play? Does he play good defense? Is he a good bunter?

His career minor league lins is .331/.425/.395, .820 OPS.

A career batting average of .331 with a .425 OBP is really good. I wonder what Giants' management thinks of him?

[Rich the Giants fan]

What's the word on Brock Bond, the 23 year old second baseman and leadoff man at AA Connecticut? He's hitting:

.354/.448/.417, .865 OPS, 113 H, 11 doubles, 3 triples, 1 HR, 26 RBI, 12 SB, 13 CB, 47 BB, 46 K.

I like the fact that he has more walks than strikeouts. He has zero HR power. Has anyone seen him play? Does he play good defense? Is he a good bunter?

His career minor league lins is .331/.425/.395, .820 OPS.

A career batting of .331 with a .425 OBP is really good. I wonder what Giants' management thinks of him?

I believe he plays solid, but not outstanding defense. Given his quick assent through the system, I think the Giants are high on him.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Among 2B, Julio Izturis is another kid to keep your eye on. He is playing with the Giants rookie team in Arizona along with another guy I'm really big on, Hector Sanchez (C-1B).

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I believe he plays solid, but not outstanding defense. Given his quick assent through the system, I think the Giants are high on him.

I looked through the Baseball America Prospect Handbooks ('08 and '09) and Bond was not listed among the top 30 Giants prospects either year. :o

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Among 2B, Julio Izturis is another kid to keep your eye on. He is playing with the Giants rookie team in Arizona along with another guy I'm really big on, Hector Sanchez (C-1B).

The Arizona Giants have several top prospects. You mentioned Sanchez before so I've been keeping an eye on him along with the 17 year old Rafael Rodriguez as well.