Ebbets Field Fashions

[penncentralpete]

Many of the old photographs depict most of the men and women attending Brooklyn games in suits, ties, and hats for the men, and the ladies in dresses (also with hats). As a young boy (ages 7 through 11) I wore dungarees and a t-shirt. My dad wore a suit, tie and hat (mom a dress). What do you remember wearing?

[tonypug]

Oh man your parents were liberal. Any time we left the block, the dungarees came off and we had to wear dress clothes. I had to wear a button collar shirt and nice pants and shoes when I went to the game with my father.

[VIBaseball]

I've read that in those days, there was a strong smell of cigar smoke at the old ballparks. I was commenting to someone the other day that you hardly ever see a pipe-smoker anymore.

How prevalent was either variety at Ebbets?

[penncentralpete]

I've read that in those days, there was a strong smell of cigar smoke at the old ballparks. I was commenting to someone the other day that you hardly ever see a pipe-smoker anymore.

How prevalent was either variety at Ebbets?

My dad and all his brothers smoked cigars. Cigars were ubiquitous it seems in those days.

[penncentralpete]

I've read that in those days, there was a strong smell of cigar smoke at the old ballparks. I was commenting to someone the other day that you hardly ever see a pipe-smoker anymore.



Rory: You can see many pipe smokers at Grateful Dead Memories' shows.

[tonypug]

The old ballparks always had a haze, especially during day games with the sunlight highlighting the smoke from all the cigars, cigarettes and pipes. I still have an extensive pipe collection, although I haven't smoked in many years.

[theAmazingMet]

Don't know how men of the era wore suits to the game. Didn't you melt in August?

[penncentralpete]

Don't know how men of the era wore suits to the game. Didn't you melt in August?

........and--many times with a vest and a hat!

[tonypug]

Don't know how men of the era wore suits to the game. Didn't you melt in August?That's just the way it was. There was no air conditioning, people were used to the heat. The players wore those heavy flannel uniforms. The kids wore dungarees and a white T-Shirt. Times were differnt then.

[penncentralpete]

That's just the way it was. There was no air conditioning, people were used to the heat. The players wore those heavy flannel uniforms. The kids wore dungarees and a white T-Shirt. Times were differnt then.

I used to write "Dodgers" with a blue crayon on the front of my t shirt. It looked pretty good too until mom washed it!

[penncentralpete]

I would have traded my bike and my Dodger bb cards for one of these though....................

[JOVE23]

I wonder how practical it would be to try to resurrect that "dressing up to go to the game" state of mind. Start a grassroots campaign, as it were.

Hmm.

[penncentralpete]

I wonder how practical it would be to try to resurrect that "dressing up to go to the game" state of mind. Start a grassroots campaign, as it were.

Hmm.

I'm afraid you'd be all alone.................been to a game lately?

[JOVE23]

I'm afraid you'd be all alone.................been to a game lately?

Yeah. Quite a few. How sad it is!

Oh well, every great movement has to start from somewhere.

*dusts off fedora*

[penncentralpete]

Yeah. Quite a few. How sad it is!

Oh well, every great movement has to start from somewhere.

*dusts off fedora*

lol..............I'll be able to spot you in a crowd of 40,000.

[JOVE23]

lol..............I'll be able to spot you in a crowd of 40,000.

I live in Atlanta. Try 20,000.

[RationalNYYfan]

Many of the old photographs depict most of the men and women attending Brooklyn games in suits, ties, and hats for the men, and the ladies in dresses (also with hats). As a young boy (ages 7 through 11) I wore dungarees and a t-shirt. My dad wore a suit, tie and hat (mom a dress). What do you remember wearing?

I've had the same question jangling around in my mind for a while.

I've always wondered, maybe some of you guys can answer: what was the crowd atmosphere like back in the day? In 2009, when something exciting happens you'll see fans jumping and throwing their hands in the air and screaming, but as for way back when the cheering seemed more...polite? Maybe this is just me misinterpreting all the celebrations of championships from 1940s - 1960s.

And also, you go to a game nowadays and, unfortunately for some little kids, there's a lot of fans (some drunk) who lace every sentence with obscenities and scream out curses at umps. Were fans as loud and obnoxious back then, or was there a bit more formality to the whole ballpark experience?

[penncentralpete]

We yelled and screamed, but NEVER used the words that are screamed today............never. If you yelled "Damn" back in the day, people around you would stare at you disapprovingly.

[JOVE23]

We yelled and screamed, but NEVER used the words that are screamed today............never. If you yelled "Damn" back in the day, people around you would stare at you disapprovingly.

Did you throw your hands in the air in raucous celebration whenever someone hit a home run? I've seen old footage of ballgames and it doesn't appear so.

[Let's Go Mets!]

We yelled and screamed, but NEVER used the words that are screamed today............never. If you yelled "Damn" back in the day, people around you would stare at you disapprovingly.

What about author Michael D'Antonio's claim that many fans at Ebbets were rude, and threw bottles?

[penncentralpete]

What about author Michael D'Antonio's claim that many fans at Ebbets were rude, and threw bottles?

"Many" fans were not rude, and a precious few threw bottles throughout the history of the park, dating back to 1913 (no more than any other park).

[Let's Go Mets!]

"Many" fans were not rude, and a precious few threw bottles throughout the history of the park, dating back to 1913 (no more than any other park).

That's what I thought.

No mention by D'Antonio, however, about the "gang activity" that some say threaten Dodger Stadium.

[tonypug]

Every ballpark has those couple of undesireables. D'Antonio uses the if it happened once, it must have happened all the time approach. He also tells how shabby and decrepit Ebbets Field was. I don't see anything about how the owner (O'Malley) spent no money on the upkeep of the park. Painting the seats every 2 years and changing burnt out lightbulbe was about the only maintenance, preventive or otherwise that O'Malley ever did.

[jnakamura]

I'm curious what the Brooklyn B's that are displayed in Dodger Stadium are like. I've been trying to find a close pic of one but can't yet.

[dodger dynamo]

Many of the old photographs depict most of the men and women attending Brooklyn games in suits, ties, and hats for the men, and the ladies in dresses (also with hats). As a young boy (ages 7 through 11) I wore dungarees and a t-shirt. My dad wore a suit, tie and hat (mom a dress). What do you remember wearing? my dad wore a suit every day and a white shirt and one of those blue hats, not quite a fedora...with a black brim...kind of a Dana Andrews/Alan Ladd special, cop or crook variety...even bums in those days wore shaby suits...seen the pictures of the breadlines? they all have suits on in varrying degree of unkemptnesss...how odd was that? pop would stand when he was excited, never saw him jump up, me I would jump up, you'd hear atta boy real loud , or the ump needs binocculars..you might see some one point on an exclamation...like did you see that!! but I guess it's like the eskimo's, or people from sieberia...the cold doesn't bother them as much as it would us, just like the heat didn't bother all the guys in suits, it was the enviroment they were accustumed too. also with so many day games it meant those businessmen we're skipping out early from the office...

[penncentralpete]

Did you throw your hands in the air in raucous celebration whenever someone hit a home run? I've seen old footage of ballgames and it doesn't appear so.

Sure we did. When the Duke smacked one, I danced and lept about (to the delight of the older Dodger fans). Now remember, I'm talkin' 1950's not '20's or '30's....................

[tonypug]

I went to public school and we had to wear shirts with a collar and dress pants and on assembly day a dress shirt and tie. Men wore hats and there were business's that blocked and cleaned hats, when was the last time you saw one of those? Most home runs or spectacular plays received applause and shouting.

[JOVE23]

I went to public school and we had to wear shirts with a collar and dress pants and on assembly day a dress shirt and tie. Men wore hats and there were business's that blocked and cleaned hats, when was the last time you saw one of those? Most home runs or spectacular plays received applause and shouting.


There's a few stores in Chicago that I know of that block and clean hats. It's certainly not as pervasive as it used to be, though.

[tonypug]

There's a few stores in Chicago that I know of that block and clean hats. It's certainly not as pervasive as it used to be, though.Are hats making a comback? Here in Florida, all I see are baseball hats and football helmets

[theAmazingMet]

I have a brown fedora (ala Indiana Jones) or this guy-> :reporter:, and it needs a good cleaning and straightening out. Wonder if there are any shops in NYC that can help me out? I wear it in inclimate weather when I get dressed up, which ain't often! Still...:think:

[JOVE23]

I have a brown fedora (ala Indiana Jones) or this guy-> :reporter:, and it needs a good cleaning and straightening out. Wonder if there are any shops in NYC that can help me out? I wear it in inclimate weather when I get dressed up, which ain't often! Still...:think:

Google Maps search (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=hat+blocking+in+nyc&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&ei=kACBSpqyJ-OBtgepve3FCg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=4#)

Hope this helps!

[theAmazingMet]

It does thanks!

[tonypug]

Google Maps search (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=hat+blocking+in+nyc&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&ei=kACBSpqyJ-OBtgepve3FCg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=4#)

Hope this helps!I never expected to see that many places of business doing hat blocking and cleaning. I wonder, are men starting to wear dress hats again?

[JOVE23]

I never expected to see that many places of business doing hat blocking and cleaning. I wonder, are men starting to wear dress hats again?

Yes, yes they are. What's old is new again.

I personally never wear a suit without a hat anymore.

[tonypug]

I guess I should have held on to my fathers old hats.

[ChineseDemocracy]

I guess I should have held on to my fathers old hats.

Those old hats would be worth a lot now.

I see kids on their skateboards wearing fedoras. Very out of place, and those hats are usually cheaply crafted. They obviously got them from some kiosk in a shopping mall.

Anyone ever hear of hipsters? They are sullying older generations with their choice of attire!

[JOVE23]

I guess I should have held on to my fathers old hats.

Wish my grandpa had his old lids. However, you can get nice quality hats on eBay if you know what you're doing. There's also a fedora specific discussion board that would be a much bigger help than I am to anyone who wants to start wearing hats.

[penncentralpete]

Wish my grandpa had his old lids. However, you can get nice quality hats on eBay if you know what you're doing. There's also a fedora specific discussion board that would be a much bigger help than I am to anyone who wants to start wearing hats.

.......any links buddy?.................

[JOVE23]

.......any links buddy?.................

Ohhh, ok yeah let me post that. I just didn't want to get in hot water about linking off the site.

www.thefedoralounge.com

Enjoy!

[penncentralpete]

Ohhh, ok yeah let me post that. I just didn't want to get in hot water about linking off the site.

www.thefedoralounge.com

Enjoy!

Thank you Jove. maybe I can find something to wear to weddings, etc. Can't wear my Brooklyn Dodger cap to those types of affairs!

[Bobby_Ayala]

Sure we did. When the Duke smacked one, I danced and lept about (to the delight of the older Dodger fans). Now remember, I'm talkin' 1950's not '20's or '30's....................

Ebbets Field must have had a nice ambience.

[penncentralpete]

Ebbets Field must have had a nice ambience.

Ebbets Field was like no other place I've ever been. It was tremendous!

[tonypug]

Ohhh, ok yeah let me post that. I just didn't want to get in hot water about linking off the site.

www.thefedoralounge.com

Enjoy!Looks like an interesting site.

[tonypug]

Thank you Jove. maybe I can find something to wear to weddings, etc. Can't wear my Brooklyn Dodger cap to those types of affairs!Thats why you need an everyday cap and a formal cap.

[tonypug]

Ebbets Field must have had a nice ambience.The only person who didn't like the ambience was Walter O'Malley.

[VIBaseball]

It's Sixties-oriented rather than Fifties, but have you heard that the Mets are doing a fedora promotion at Citi Field? It ties in with the TV show Mad Men. I haven't been able to find out what date(s) yet, though. It doesn't appear that they're giveaways, rather that there'll be a section with hatted fans.

Here's a little color:

http://gawker.com/5319601/don-draper-would-not-approve-of-amc-mad-men-pitch

[tonypug]

Dust off your fedora's boys.

[theAmazingMet]

It's Sixties-oriented rather than Fifties, but have you heard that the Mets are doing a fedora promotion at Citi Field? It ties in with the TV show Mad Men. I haven't been able to find out what date(s) yet, though. It doesn't appear that they're giveaways, rather that there'll be a section with hatted fans.

Here's a little color:

http://gawker.com/5319601/don-draper-would-not-approve-of-amc-mad-men-pitch

Wouldn't it be cool to do a throwback day? The Mets could dress in old NY Metropolitan uni's, and the Dodgers could come as the Eckfords. Every fan who comes in period attire could get a free seat, in the "Prominade" of course.

[tonypug]

Wouldn't it be cool to do a throwback day? The Mets could dress in old NY Metropolitan uni's, and the Dodgers could come as the Eckfords. Every fan who comes in period attire could get a free seat, in the "Prominade" of course.Do I have to wear a suit?

[penncentralpete]

Do I have to wear a suit?

No. Then again, you wouldn't gain free admission.

[Let's Go Mets!]

Wouldn't it be cool to do a throwback day? The Mets could dress in old NY Metropolitan uni's, and the Dodgers could come as the Eckfords. Every fan who comes in period attire could get a free seat, in the "Prominade" of course.

Funny you mentioned that. Gary Cohen said today that the Mets will be wearing New York Giants throwback uniforms for all three games versus San Francisco. The NY Giants throwback unis will have the Mets logo on the sleeve.

[penncentralpete]

Funny you mentioned that. Gary Cohen said today that the Mets will be wearing New York Giants throwback uniforms for all three games versus San Francisco. The NY Giants throwback unis will have the Mets logo on the sleeve.

I hope those puppies show up on Ebay later in the year...................if they are wool..............

[theAmazingMet]

Funny you mentioned that. Gary Cohen said today that the Mets will be wearing New York Giants throwback uniforms for all three games versus San Francisco. The NY Giants throwback unis will have the Mets logo on the sleeve.

That sounds awesome! I'm going Sat and I hope they have some of these throwbacks for sale in the team store. :crossfingers:

[tonypug]

Isn't that interesting? THe Mets never wore Brooklyn Dodger uniforms against the Dodgers. I wonder if the Dodgers won't allow it?

[penncentralpete]

The cream-colored jerseys feature an oversized blue "NY" on the front, blue and orange piping on the sleeves and a Mr. Met patch on the right sleeve.

Mets Amazin' Memorabilia will auction off the jerseys to benefit the Mets Foundation on www.mets.com/gameused.

[tonypug]

How many shirts are you bidding on, Pete?

[penncentralpete]

How many shirts are you bidding on, Pete?

Zero. I don't want a polyester fake throwback jersey. And since they'll be "game worn", they'll be incredibly expensive. Not worth it (to me) to get a GIANTS jersey with Mr. Met on the sleeve.

[jnakamura]

Funny you mentioned that. Gary Cohen said today that the Mets will be wearing New York Giants throwback uniforms for all three games versus San Francisco. The NY Giants throwback unis will have the Mets logo on the sleeve.

They're getting generous with the term "throwback".

The jerseys that the Mets will be wearing were never worn by the Giants. It's a brand-new design that looks old fashioned, but it's not a jersey that the NY Giants ever wore.

[penncentralpete]

Actually the Giants DID wear uniforms SIMILAR to the ones described by the Mets' broadcasters.........................

[jnakamura]

Actually the Giants DID wear uniforms SIMILAR to the ones described by the Mets' broadcasters.........................

Vaguely similar. The wordmark style and size is completely different, as is the collar and sleeve piping, and the collar design itself.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/throwbackjersey.JPG

[penncentralpete]

Like I said..........the Giants DID wear uniforms SIMILAR to the ones described by the Mets' broadcasters.........................

[jnakamura]

Like I said..........the Giants DID wear uniforms SIMILAR to the ones described by the Mets' broadcasters.........................

Depends on what you consider similar. To me it's not even close to similar.

Would this be "similar" enough to represent a 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers cap?

http://www.bayou.com/~brooklyn/1913dod.jpg

[penncentralpete]

You think that these uniform jerseys "are not even close to being similar"??? (and what do caps have to do with this?) If you owned the team who wore the jersey to the left, and my team started to wear the jersey on the right, you wouldn't complain to the commish or NL president?

[penncentralpete]

Depends on what you consider similar. To me it's not even close to similar.

Would this be "similar" enough to represent a 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers cap?

http://www.bayou.com/~brooklyn/1913dod.jpg

No. That cap isn't similar to the 1955 Dodger cap. So? What does that have to do with the jerseys? NOTHING.

[jnakamura]

No. That cap isn't similar to the 1955 Dodger cap. So? What does that have to do with the jerseys? NOTHING.

Perhaps this (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/analogy) will help.

[jnakamura]

You think that these uniform jerseys "are not even close to being similar"???

Yes, I said they're not close to being similar.

Similarities:

1. Both have N Y on the front.

Differences:

1. Wordmark is completely different

2. Letters are a different size

3. Sleeves are a completely different short style

4. Piping on sleeves completely different

5. Button-up style completely different

6. Piping on collar completely different

1 similarity + 6 considerable differences = my opinion that it's not close to looking like an actual replica Giants jersey.

[jnakamura]

No. That cap isn't similar to the 1955 Dodger cap. So? What does that have to do with the jerseys?

Glad you asked, so I'll tell you.

You agree with me that changing the wordmark for the B and adding a stripe on the cap means that to you it's not similar to the '55 cap.

So then why so you take issue with me when I use those exact same parameters in judging the lack of similarity of the N Y jersey?

[theAmazingMet]

I think Pete is referring to the style of the jersey. Obviously they aren't alike, but the style with the big "NY" where each letter is being worn on the opposite breast is alike.

[theAmazingMet]

Actually the font of the NY is closer to this Giants jersey.

74900

[tonypug]

It seems that we are all on the same page on this with one exception. That one exception always tries to muddy the waters and cause conflict. Like I said on another thread, this exception obviously gets his kicks from this type of behavior.

[tonypug]

Now getting back to business, if these uniforms are going to be auctioned and the proceeds go to the Mets charity, I am all for it.

[jnakamura]

It seems that we are all on the same page on this with one exception. That one exception always tries to muddy the waters and cause conflict. Like I said on another thread, this exception obviously gets his kicks from this type of behavior.

You are wrong, Sir. Let's not get personal, shall we?

I was making a point. If you don't agree with that, fine, let's discuss it like men. There's no reason to take things to a personal level here.

Tell me on that note, why do you think the jersey is so similar to the original that it's beyond reproach and causes great anger if questioned otherwise?

[jnakamura]

Actually the font of the NY is closer to this Giants jersey.

74900

1. Thanks for being the only person so far to oblige me with civility and willingness to discuss.

2. I agree.

3. I think it would have been better to wear a replica of that design--long sleeves, pinstripes, no piping and the thinner numbers.

The design they choose is just weird and out of balance IMO. Aside from the fact that it's a new design and not a true throwback, the NY on separate breasts (early 20th century style) mixed with the short sleeves, collar and placket piping (mid-century style) is an odd match, esthetically speaking. Two different eras morphed together into a hybrid look.

[Let's Go Mets!]

I wish the Mets had done an exact New York Giants road uniform, with the only difference being the Mets skyline patch on the sleeve.

[Let's Go Mets!]

A great 1939 New York Giants road uniform with the 1939 World's Fair patch.......

Substitute the Mets logo patch for the World's Fair patch, and they look like New York Mets!

[jnakamura]

A great 1939 New York Giants road uniform with the 1939 World's fair patch.......

Substitute the Mets logo patch for the World's Fair patch, and they look like New York Mets!

Those are nice. The photo doesn't show it, but they were mets blue.

These 1923 home unis were pretty sweet. They could have made the NY orange instead of red to give a real Mets flavor. The NY is already virtually the same.

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/nl_1923_newyork.gif

[Let's Go Mets!]

These 1923 home unis were pretty sweet. They could have made the NY orange instead of red to give a real Mets flavor. The NY is already virtually the same.

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/nl_1923_newyork.gif

I agree, the 1923 unis are cool. They'd be a better choice than playing make believe.

[Let's Go Mets!]

The 1950's road uniforms would have been ideal with the Mets logo on sleeve.