Recently obtained collection of T206 and other old baseball Cards

[magic1313]

I recently obtained a collection of T206 and other old baseball cards. I am in the process of cataloguing them now and the excel spreadsheet can be seen at www.mmmm13.com Unfortunately the original owner glued the cards onto index card like paper and trie to remove some of them, I am not sure when, damaging the backs. Does anyone know a safe method for removing the index card from the back? I know the prices listed are not what I could get for my specific cards they were just The highest and lowest completed auctions and the auctioned cards listed grade. I have other obscurities that I would also like assitance with. I have an O'Hara card that looks like it missed a few stages of the coloring and a cy young american caramel card. Both are glued to index cards so I do not know what the backs look like. Was the Cy young issued with two different american caramel backs? Hopefully I can get the pictures to post shortly. Thanks for any asssitance.

[magic1313]

Here are some pics of the above mentioned cards

[magic1313]

Sorry for the huge images, don't have a resizer at work.

[xholdourownx]

Wow those are some really nice cards. I have no idea about how to get them off the index cards. I wouldn't want to use heat or chemicals, so I'm not sure what else there is to do.

I have seen some cards that were in that situation. They owner just tore the back off. Looked great on the front, but had no back. I think it still sold for a decent price.

[xholdourownx]

I think on the O'Hara, the card just off center when it was being printed. I would say it was printed correctly, just off center so the colors didn't line up just right.

[magic1313]

Yeah I still have more to list including Hassan triple folds and Mecca folding cards as well as some more T206 cards. I also have boxing cards, billiards cards, and some other wierd cards. I hope to have them all listed on my sight. I have one more Ty Cobb and one more Cy young besides the caramel card. As you can see from the backs that I did photograph, they were severly damaged when the guy attempted to remove them from the index cards.

[magic1313]

The reason I don't think the O'hara card is just misalligned is because the name looks fairly clean as does the image, no ghosting, I do see the slight yellow off center printing but it also appears that the background isn't full. The name is also in Blue which does not look correct. Was able to find out that the cy young is from the e92 series which had 4 different backs. My guess is that this one is a Dockman & Sons.

[xholdourownx]

The reason I don't think the O'hara card is just misalligned is because the name looks fairly clean as does the image, no ghosting, I do see the slight yellow off center printing but it also appears that the background isn't full. The name is also in Blue which does not look correct. Was able to find out that the cy young is from the e92 series which had 4 different backs. My guess is that this on is a Dockman & Sons.

Good point. Looking at it again, it almost looks as if it was completely printed once and then they yellow was done again on top.

[metrotheme]

You might want to try a hair dryer. I've done this for address labeles on magazines and they've peeled off with minimal to no paper loss. Try one on low heat for a bit and see if it breaks up the glue.

[toppsheritage]

Saw a similar message on another message board but don't know if we are allowed to post links to other message boards on here. Basically, one person said to use Goo Gone which should remove the glue and not damage the paper. Another person said to soak it in water and the card should come off undamaged if done correctly. Seems like water would damage the card, but then again I just to soak stamps on envelopes in water and they would come right off and would appear undamaged after drying. I have never tried either method so use at your own risk! May try the least desirable card first to see how it affects it. Good luck.

[RuthMayBond]

I wouldn't immerse anything, but what about steaming? (teakettle or whatever)

[flyingdutchdude]

Do you have any other cards?? one pictured is extremely rare, the other 2 are common and well known

1st answer (removing them for the scrapbook page)

Soak, Ive done about 3,000 1910 era cards over the years. Its the only way. NEVER dry pull a card from a scrapbook, you will KILL the value!!!

#1 Cut the sheet around ea. card to remove the excess paper.

#2 Place the card (with backing paper) in a shallow bowl of tap water for about 10-15 minutes and soak it all the way through. Sometimes the card will slide right off the backing paper, sometimes you will need to pick at the paper or rub it a bit to remove most if not all the paper and glue. Take your time, the slower you go the better the outcome.

#3 Pat dry and let them sit for a few minutes to let most of the water evaporate. Then place them inside a book between paper towels for a while to press flat. checking from time to time so the card doesnt stick to paper towel. Takes about 1 hour, easy.

Sometimes you will not be able to get the backs to look perfect....... best to leave some residue on the back than to have paper pulls (paper removed from the back). Value is far more for added paper/glue compared to paper removed from back. These cards are lithographed.... the only cards you wont want to soak are real photo cards like T200/T222 Fatimas, or N172 Old Judges, etc.

****DO NOT soak the O'Hara as I dont know the ink type on this card!!!! (more info below)

of the few pictured......None are T206 cards or even "T" cards.

Picture #1 There are 6 sets the Cy Young card can be from, the E92-1, E92-2, E92-3, E92-4, E101, or E102, but I cant tell you what set it is unless I can see the back (the fronts of the Young on all 6 sets are identical, and values are similar unless you have a E92-3 or E92-4 back (Crofts Cocoa, Nadja Caramel)
$200-$500 if back is a common E92, E101, E102 and comes out nice.

Picture #2 PSA slab shows the back of a common E90-1 American Caramel card (who is on the front?)

Picture #3 (back of card with checklist) The scan of the back you show is from a set called E91 American Caramel and the front of these cards have generic drawings of the players so these E91 cards are in less demand. $10-$25 unless the front shows a Hall of Famer. then $25-$100

PS. The Johnson card in the background of one of the pictures is a T201

The best card you have is the O'Hara. I am an expert on IDing vintage cards and have been doing it for 30 years. I have contributed to the pricing and checklist updating to the yearly SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards for many years too.... but I dont know the set or info on this card (no one does). I have seen 3 others from this series in 30 years (crude low quality colorful image with blue caption). I have always believe it is a candy box card and was not issued inside the candy box but was rather a part of the box... but yours has such nice clean machine cuts to the edges it makes me think otherwise now. Dont look to much for info on it, you will never find any more...... beside this.

For fun, go to this site and ask these guys what this card is (post a scan of only the O'Hara card) and see what they say.
http://net54baseball.com

Frank
centuryoldcards.com

[flyingdutchdude]

Hi Magic, if its OK with you, can you send me the scan of the O'Hara card for my photo archive on this rare set. I tried to capture the image but its too large for my screen to include the whole card.

If so my email address is frank@centuryoldcards.com

Thanks Frank K. Ward

PS feel free to send scans of any cards you want to know more info on.

[History Of Baseball Fan]

#1 Cut the sheet around ea. card to remove the excess paper.

#2 Place the card (with backing paper) in a shallow bowl of tap water for about 10-15 minutes and soak it all the way through. Sometimes the card will slide right off the backing paper, sometimes you will need to pick at the paper or rub it a bit to remove most if not all the paper and glue. Take your time, the slower you go the better the outcome.

#3 Pat dry and let them sit for a few minutes to let most of the water evaporate. Then place them inside a book between paper towels for a while to press flat. checking from time to time so the card doesnt stick to paper towel. Takes about 1 hour, easy.

Sometimes you will not be able to get the backs to look perfect....... best to leave some residue on the back than to have paper pulls (paper removed from the back). Value is far more for added paper/glue compared to paper removed from back. These cards are lithographed.... the only cards you wont want to soak are real photo cards like T200/T222 Fatimas, or N172 Old Judges, etc.

****DO NOT soak the O'Hara as I dont know the ink type on this card!!!! (more info below)



I don't think those old prewar T and E cards should be put in tap water. I was always told by collectors to use distilled water. I've done this with a few of my own t206 cards. Put the cards in a bowl of distilled water for about 5 minutes. I can't remember if they told me to use a q-tip, but I used it and very gently rubbed off the stuck paper. After I removed all the stuck paper I could, I quickly got a paper towel and tapped it dry a few times and I then put it on a penny sleeve or a tops loader because if you let it sit on a paper towel, the paper towel will stick to the card and you'll have to start from scratch. I forgot to put it in a book to make sure it came out flat and didn't wrinkle, so make you do that too !

[mybaseballcardspace]

wow, lucky you, nice cards even if they are on index cards!

[magic1313]

I have edited my original post to include the linke to my website that has the cards I have catalogued so far and pics of other cards I still need to catalogue. I also have cards that I still need to snap a pic of and catalogue. I think the Cy young is an E92 Dockman & Sons. This is not verified as I can't see the back. Frank thecaramel back was from a Cy young card that was listed on ebay.

www.mmmm13.com

[HexsHeroes]

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. . . appears to be a bit of a mystery card. That is currently being debated on another old sportscard forum. Personally, I'd hold on to that card until more information becomes available.

One excellent source might be a fine gentleman, by the name of Leon. He can be emailed at leonl@flash.net. He might be able to shed more light on the O'Hara card for you.