Cards get Derosa

[NJMetfan4life]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/cardinals-acquire-mark-derosa.html

According to the MLB.com Twitter, the Cardinals have acquired Mark DeRosa from the Indians for RP Chris Perez and a player to be named later.

DeRosa, 34, wasn't in tonight's lineup though sources had said this was supposedly a "standard day off," according to Anthony Castrovince at MLB.com. He had posted a .799 OPS in 278 ABs for the Indians and is making $5.5MM in the final year of his contract. He's been the subject of rumors for weeks, and it looks like the Indians are officially sellers.

Perez turns 24 this July 1 and has posted a 4.18 ERA and 30/15 K/BB ratio for the Cardinals in 23.2 innings this year. He was one of the Cardinals' top relief prospects and profiles as a future closer.

It's a little early to make a final judgment on this deal until we find out who the PTNBL is--Castrovince notes that "the PTBN component is an important one," according to Indians GM Mark Shapiro--but for now it looks like a solid deal for both teams, as they each fill in their respective needs.

Also, on MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090627&content_id=5574664&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

ST. LOUIS -- The Cardinals upgraded their offense on Saturday night with the acquisition of Mark DeRosa from the Indians. Cleveland will receive right-handed reliever Chris Perez and a player to be named.

DeRosa, 34, entered Saturday hitting .270 with a .342 on-base percentage and a .457 slugging percentage. He has largely played third base for the Indians and is expected to do the same in St. Louis, but his versatility is one of the traits that makes him appealing to the Cardinals.

"We felt that this deal provided us with an excellent opportunity to improve our team, especially from an offensive standpoint," Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak said in a statement. "We feel our team has the pitching to contend, and if we can get the offense to produce at a more consistent level, then our overall performance should benefit."

A University of Pennsylvania product, DeRosa bats right-handed -- a welcome addition for a club that has struggled against left-handed pitching. He is in the final year of a three-year deal that pays him a guaranteed $5.5 million in 2009.

Perez, who turns 24 next month, is a hard-throwing reliever once believed to be the Cardinals' closer of the future. In 29 appearances this year, he is 1-1 with a 4.18 ERA, 30 strikeouts and 15 walks in 23 2/3 innings.

DeRosa will wear uniform No. 7 and is expected to join the Cardinals in time for their Sunday game at home against the Twins.

[Seattle1]

Good luck in St. Louis, Pon!

[Zagi-CRO]

The Cubs made a mistake when they DeRosa allow to leave.

[SamtheBravesFan]

The Cubs made a mistake when they DeRosa allow to leave.

It may have been a mistake, but their problems go much deeper than trading their starting second baseman.

[Ace Venom]

The Cubs made a mistake when they DeRosa allow to leave.

We really don't know that. If those prospects the Cubs got turn out to make an impact in the future, then the trade was not a mistake. If anything, the mistake lies on the Indians. They traded for him and dumped three good pitching prospects only to deal DeRosa to the Cardinals. When you have a leadoff hitter with Alfonso Soriano's poor numbers, a bullpen that can't hold leads and you constantly leave runners stranded, you won't win many games. Keeping the utility player in DeRosa suddenly wouldn't make the bullpen better.

[ol' aches and pains]

We really don't know that. If those prospects the Cubs got turn out to make an impact in the future, then the trade was not a mistake. If anything, the mistake lies on the Indians. They traded for him and dumped three good pitching prospects only to deal DeRosa to the Cardinals. When you have a leadoff hitter with Alfonso Soriano's poor numbers, a bullpen that can't hold leads and you constantly leave runners stranded, you won't win many games. Keeping the utility player in DeRosa suddenly wouldn't make the bullpen better.

Not to mention their big-money free agent right fielder and the ace of the pitching staff can't be counted on not to melt down at any given moment during a game. Pinella must feel like he's running a kindergarten rather than an MLB team. I've never seen a team conduct itself so unprofessionally. I used to think the White Sox under Ozzie Guillen were something of a loose cannon, but they're a paragon of professionalism compared to the current Cubs team.

Do you really consider DeRosa a utility player? He's got 50 RBI's, more than anybody on the Cubs.

[JKBaseball]

This isn't good news for Brewers fans. We could have used the bat and the overall usefulness on defense, but I suppose the price may well have been our future.

Still, I'd have much rather seen him stay in the AL, or at the very least, out of the NL Central.

[Ace Venom]

Do you really consider DeRosa a utility player? He's got 50 RBI's, more than anybody on the Cubs.

I doubt DeRosa would have those numbers if he was playing with the Cubs because the entire team with the exception of Derrek Lee is stinking it up right now (could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised). The trade looks like a major mistake in the short term. It's not as bad as the Lou Brock trade. Nothing could be worse than that trade.

[rockin500]

Do you really consider DeRosa a utility player? He's got 50 RBI's, more than anybody on the Cubs.

i actually do see him as a super utility man. the reason being, he can play 3rd base quite well, he was effective enough in left or right, and he was solid enough at 2nd base. He could even play short in a pinch (if the team were desperate enough, he would go out there and play it). So if he can play 4 positions all reasonably well and not have a LOT more time at any one position, i would say that he is a utility man. He just plays everyday. so i call him a super utility man.

[Zagi-CRO]

It may have been a mistake, but their problems go much deeper than trading their starting second baseman.

Yes, of course. Milton Bradley isn't 2008's Milton Bradley, Geovany Soto has been injured, Aramis Ramirez has had only 66 ABs...
Zambrano has only 4-2, Dempster 4-5, Harden 4-4...
Bullpen is weak without Wood, Samardzija has slumping season...Marmol with only 3 SV and 4.08...
:rofl:

[rockin500]

Yes, of course. Milton Bradley isn't 2008's Milton Bradley, Geovany Soto has been injured, Aramis Ramirez has had only 66 ABs...
Zambrano has only 4-2, Dempster 4-5, Harden 4-4...
Bullpen is weak without Wood, Samardzija has slumping season...Marmol with only 3 SV and 4.08...
:rofl:
why are you including marmol's "only 3 SV". he isnt the closer. so he shouldnt be getting saves. Cite his 1:1 K/BB ratio if you want to cite anything. not to mention citing w/l records of 3 starters is silly too. Their ERAs would be better and even then wouldnt tell the whole story. The cubs arent winning because they cant hit consistently.

[High Mileage]

I'm actually confused as to why DeRosa has been considered as such a great option, yet Teahen has not...

Mark DeRosa: 34 years old, right-handed, makes $5.5M, free agent after this year...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/KScivic/Royals/derosa.jpg

Mark Teahen: 27 years old, left-handed, makes $3.5M, free agent after 2011...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/KScivic/Royals/teahen.jpg

The only clear difference is RBI. You can blame that on the Royals crappy "offense"...

[Zagi-CRO]

Their ERAs would be better and even then wouldnt tell the whole story. The cubs arent winning because they cant hit consistently.

I believe in the aphorism good pitching beats good hitting..

[Captain Cold Nose]

I believe in the aphorism good pitching beats good hitting..

That's not really applicable to this situation.

[ol' aches and pains]

I watched the White Sox-Indians last night, and saw Chris Perez make his AL debut. He pitched the 9th inning for Cleveland. He hit the first batter, Alexi Ramirez in the head, then hit the next batter, Jermaine Dye on the hand. Then he walked Jim Thome, retired Konerko on a popup, retired Piersynski on an RBI grounder, gave up an RBI double to Chris Getz, and an RBI single to Gordon Beckham. Somewhere in there another run scored on a Perez wild pitch. He was taken out with 2 outs, and now has an American Leauge ERA of 54.00. I don't know who the player to be named later in the DeRosa deal is, but unless it's Albert Pujols, I think the Indians got screwed.

[Zagi-CRO]

That's not really applicable to this situation.

Why not? What's wrong with it?

[Zagi-CRO]

I watched the White Sox-Indians last night, and saw Chris Perez make his AL debut. He pitched the 9th inning for Cleveland. He hit the first batter, Alexi Ramirez in the head, then hit the next batter, Jermaine Dye on the hand. Then he walked Jim Thome, retired Konerko on a popup, retired Piersynski on an RBI grounder, gave up an RBI double to Chris Getz, and an RBI single to Gordon Beckham. Somewhere in there another run scored on a Perez wild pitch. He was taken out with 2 outs, and now has an American Leauge ERA of 54.00. I don't know who the player to be named later in the DeRosa deal is, but unless it's Albert Pujols, I think the Indians got screwed.

Chris Perez vs. DeRosa?
No comment. It's disaster trade.

[MarthaT]

Was at the game when DeRosa made his debut w/ the cardinals, great piece of defense in the OF

[Captain Cold Nose]

Why not? What's wrong with it?

It's not a situation where good pitching beats good hitting. That's a generalization. This is a specific case where a team is not hitting well. To simply say good pitching beats good hitting doesn't address the team's issues at all.

[Zagi-CRO]

It's not a situation where good pitching beats good hitting. That's a generalization. This is a specific case where a team is not hitting well. To simply say good pitching beats good hitting doesn't address the team's issues at all.

Do you mean 'Good pitching beats good hitting ... except when it doesn't. ' :candle: :highfive:
Seriously, if you type good pitching into a Google search, it will attempt to complete to the aphorism good pitching beats good hitting, whereupon you will receive more than 300,000 results;
if you say "good hitting beats good pitching," however, you get only 75.

[rockin500]

I believe in the aphorism good pitching beats good hitting..

the cubs have good pitching. they dont have good hitting. you arent going to win many games like that. so no your truism isnt applicable in this case. Dont make the mistake of applying truisms universally. Reality doesnt work that way.