View Full Version : stevegarvey.com...dated as Fonzie!
futurehalloffamer
06-25-2009, 01:33 AM
Check out this page on Steve Garvey's website:
http://www.stevegarvey.com/Cooperstown.aspx
Is this downright hilarious or downright sad?
SABR Matt
06-25-2009, 01:50 AM
LOL!
I see some of you took my suggestion and looked at his website...:D
futurehalloffamer
06-25-2009, 02:15 AM
LOL!
I see some of you took my suggestion and looked at his website...:D
HAHA!! I didn't even read your post in the Garvey thread until now, I just stumbled across Garvey's site coincidentally!
SABR Matt
06-25-2009, 02:53 AM
LOL...even funnier then. :) Ah Garvey...your head is bigger than the sun and full of the same hot air.
Captain Cold Nose
06-25-2009, 05:38 AM
It is Garvey's site, but I wonder if he simply paid somebody to put it together and run it.
No matter, it's a true exercise in humility. Hard to believe now, but when he was playing, there really were very few players as highly regarded as he was.
It's not hard to have flawless defense when you don't move from one spot.
PVNICK
06-25-2009, 05:59 AM
It's not hard to have flawless defense when you don't move from one spot.
... or throw the ball.
Captain Cold Nose
06-25-2009, 07:36 AM
... or throw the ball.
Well, that is movement.
PVNICK
06-25-2009, 07:59 AM
Well, that is movement.
always with the technicalities.
Captain Cold Nose
06-25-2009, 08:09 AM
always with the technicalities.
If the site went by the technicalities, you'd get to miss the shallowest assessment of a player I've ever seen.
For once, the sizzle was just seen as such. Most stopped believing the hype, even if it took something that is probably quite common to happen.
Otis Nixon's Bodyguard
06-26-2009, 08:57 AM
I wasn't alive for most of Garvey's career, but I get the impression that the hype surrounding him as a player was not unlike the hype currently surrounding Derek Jeter. Is that a reasonable assumption? They both did/do the overrated things (hit for average, garner high hit totals, etc.) well, but get chewed up and spit out by sabermetric analysis. As I see it, Garvey's pretty far back in the line of HOF-eligible first basemen, and several more will soon take their spots in front of him too.
willshad
06-26-2009, 01:06 PM
pretty compelling argument actually. Im curious does anyone know how many 10 time all stars haven't been elected?
mwiggins
06-26-2009, 01:13 PM
pretty compelling argument actually. Im curious does anyone know how many 10 time all stars haven't been elected?
Of the ones who aren't active, recently retired, or banned (Rose) or tained by PED's (McGwire):
Bill Freehan - 11 times
Red Schoendienst - 10 times
Larkin and Alomar were both 12-time all stars, so potentially one of them could join that list. Nellie Fox was a 12-time all star who went in via the Vet committee. Billy Herman, Johnny Mize, George Kell, Pee Wee Reese, and Enos Slaughter were all 10-time all stars who went in via the Vet Committee.
So it's not unprecidented to for the BBWAA to not elect 10+ time all stars.
I could see Garvey's case if he really was a great BA guy who didn't walk a lot or hit for a lot of power. But his lifetime BA was only .294. It's not like he was Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn or Bill Terry. To me he's just a modern version of Pie Traynor, except Traynor was a legendary defensive player at 3B while Garvey was just a 4-time GG winner at 1B.
Cougar
06-26-2009, 02:14 PM
Of the ones who aren't active, recently retired, or banned (Rose) or tained by PED's (McGwire):
Bill Freehan - 11 times
Red Schoendiest - 10 times
Larkin and Alomar were both 12-time all stars, so potentially one of them could join that list. Nellie Fox was a 12-time all star who went in via the Vet committee. Billy Herman, Johnny Mize, George Kell, Pee Wee Reese, and Enos Slaughter were all 10-time all stars who went in via the Vet Committee.
So it's not unprecidented to for the BBWAA to not elect 10+ time all stars.
I could see Garvey's case if he really was a great BA guy who didn't walk a lot or hit for a lot of power. But his lifetime BA was only .294. It's not like he was Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn or Bill Terry. To me he's just a modern version of Pie Traynor, except Traynor was a legendary defensive player at 3B while Garvey was just a 4-time GG winner at 1B.
Schoendienst is in via the Vet Committee.