Baseball Tonight just said AL Cy Young is a 2-man race [Archive]

sturg1dj

06-10-2009, 10:24 PM

A Two man race between Grienke and Verlander? I love both of them and Verlander has been awesome lately but I think they may be overlooking two other valuable pitchers.

Obviously Roy Halladay should be mentioned but also Edwin Jackson. I mean Verlander's last 9 is amazing, but over the season Jackson has better numbers.

anyone else in the AL I am forgetting?

Zito75

06-10-2009, 10:28 PM

My money is on Halladay... Grienke has faded a bit- I just can't see him sustaining that pace. Verlander is having a nice year as well- it might come down who stays off the DL.

redlegsfan21

06-10-2009, 10:45 PM

That is why I stopped watching ESPN. A while back, ESPN.com began to post a Cy Young Predictor which is based on statistics and right now the standings are:

1. Roy Halladay
2. Zach Greinke
3. Jered Weaver
4. Edwin Jackson
5. Justin Verlander

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

Edgartohof

06-11-2009, 12:15 AM

This race is FAR from over.

Greinke has been great, with that wonderful ERA of 1.5, but Halladay hasn't been too shabby either, posting a 2.5 ERA, over (a league leading) 100 IP! That means Halladay is well on pace for over 250 IP - now that's a workhorse, especially in todays game!

Captain Cold Nose

06-11-2009, 05:56 AM

To ignore Halladay at this point with the season he is having is beyond ridiculous. The man has been there before and his track record is stronger than the chosen two. I think he actually should be the favorite at this point.

RuthMayBond

06-11-2009, 07:22 AM

gman5431

06-11-2009, 07:40 AM

The two front runners at this point would be Halladay and Greinke. Until the last couple weeks i would have reversed the order on those two (although i have always thought Halladay was the favorite, in my mind, because of his experience and workman like history). However, calling it a two horse race in mid June is ignorant and oversimplistic. Verlander has been turning it on and i think he leads the league in Ks. Edwin Jackson had been overlooked but is quietly having a solid season. Weaver was mentioned as well. There may be guys who will come from no where and have an awesome second half and steal the award. Its happened that way before. My money would be on Halladay to pile up the innings, 22-24 wins, and a solid ERA and walk away with the honor.

G Man

Otis Nixon's Bodyguard

06-11-2009, 09:10 AM

My money is still on Roy Halladay.

George H Ruth

06-11-2009, 01:04 PM

My money is still on Roy Halladay.

My thoughts exactly, not having Halladay on that list is ridiculous. A couple of weeks ago, I would of given it to Grienke, but now it’s Halladay’s to lose. He’s had one bad game this season.

RuthMayBond

06-11-2009, 01:07 PM

A couple of weeks ago, I would of given it to GrienkeWhy would you concede any award a fourth of the way through the season?

<but now it's Halladay's to lose>

And it was Greinke's to lose before

TonyStarks

06-11-2009, 03:11 PM

ESPN Picking anyone as the winner of something is probably as bad as the Madden curse.

NYMets523

06-11-2009, 03:40 PM

What? Baseball Tonight said something dumb? That's a surprise.

Captain Cold Nose

06-12-2009, 04:40 AM

Exactly who was it who made this revelation? One person's opinion is only that, after all. I don't really think it's fair to bring the whole show down for one person's off remark.

wu-tang clan

06-12-2009, 05:01 AM

My thoughts exactly, not having Halladay on that list is ridiculous. A couple of weeks ago, I would of given it to Grienke, but now it’s Halladay’s to lose. He’s had one bad game this season.

True but Greinke's also only had 1 bad game this season, 5 runs against Toronto which brought his ERA from .8 to 1.7. Halladay has been awesome with innings pitched, but Greinke is no slouch either- 5 complete games so far, 2 more than Roy has. Too early to predict as any pitcher can go through a rough period but my money would be on Greinke. It's not limited to Greinke or Halladay though, I could see Verlander or Weaver having a strong second half and winning the Cy Young Award.

dominik

06-12-2009, 05:38 AM

I thing Halladay will make it. He's great and in a good team.

Greinke is good. I don't know if his start was for real and if he will continue to be a dominant starter, but he's def. a great talent who might have been held up by his pyschological problems.

But what will be a big problem is the atrocious team he plays in. He gets zero run support and the bullpen also sucks.

So to get wins he will nearly have to pitch a near shutout complete game to get the win:), while in other teams a solid performance is enough in many cases to get the w.

Greinke is good, but he won't be able to pitch CG like he did at the beginning over the course of a complete season.

When you play in a team where pitching 7 inning with 1 ER against ist not enough to win it's very hard to get over 20 wins and a CY.

If he gets 20 they should give him the CY because it would be an incredible performance to win 20 with that team. But I have my doubts that he will do it.

ol' aches and pains

06-12-2009, 06:31 AM

Greinke is good, but he won't be able to pitch CG like he did at the beginning over the course of a complete season.

Why won't he? It used to be the norm for a starting pitcher. It used to be expected.

davewashere

06-12-2009, 07:12 AM

To call it a two man race and not include Halladay in those two is foolish. The guy is capable of stringing together complete games with 0-2 ER allowed better than anyone in baseball right now (except CC when he gets hot). Many pitchers have pitched like Greinke in the first few months and then faded the rest of the way. Halladay's experience as a workhorse makes him the favorite in my mind.

Zagi-CRO

06-12-2009, 07:22 AM

Who said it!?
Halladay is still the leader!
Greinke is very near him and Verlander is on the third place...
Remember - This is the Never Lies CYPP!

CYPP Name W L ERA IP SO
15.61 Roy Halladay 10 1 2.52 100 88
15.02 Zack Greinke 8 2 1.55 87 91
12.30 Jus Verlander 7 2 3.02 86.1 106
10.54 Jered Weaver 6 2 2.31 81.2 69
10.31 Edwin Jackson 6 3 2.16 83.1 62

KCGHOST

06-12-2009, 07:53 AM

Greinke has it going on but the Royals are in the process of sinking his candidacy. He lost one game 1-0 and got two no decisions when he left with the lead but the bullpen couldn't hold it.

George H Ruth

06-12-2009, 08:58 AM

Greinke has it going on but the Royals are in the process of sinking his candidacy. He lost one game 1-0 and got two no decisions when he left with the lead but the bullpen couldn't hold it.

Halladay lost a 1-0 game, and He left the seventh inning of a game with a 8-3 lead, and his bullpen blew it for him, so he got the no decision.

RuthmayBond: If the season ended today Halladay would win it, if the season ended two weeks ago Grienke would of won it. That's what I mean.

cardsfanatic

06-12-2009, 04:57 PM

People still watch ESPN? I say this with absolutely honesty... I haven't watched ESPN in _at least_ six months. Some of it had to be with them insisting poker was a sport and showing it nine hours day. Some of it had to do with their idiotic "experts".

But mainly? I got tired of their sensationalized reporting and beating stories to death like _every other news source._

Basically, if you can read between the lines, I'm sick and tired of hearing about steroids and Michael Vick's dog fighting.

Things that should be covered for two weeks somehow turns into 10 years.

lyrical

06-12-2009, 06:14 PM

Halladay just left his start in Toronto with an apparent injury, yikes!

Kansas City is absolutely awful on offense, defense, and relief pitching. Greinke's going to have to earn every win he gets.

Guys who play for decent teams like Verlander, Jackson, or even Beckett, who had an awful start but has been getting hot lately probably have better chances.

STLCards2

06-12-2009, 06:30 PM

Ignoring the injury:

Grineke's 1 run lower ERA far surpases the extra 13 innings for halladay at this point. If the Cy voting was today, I would give it to Zach. Of course, it doesn't end today, and barring injury, I would expect Halladay to sustain the ERA he has now, while Grienke's in not probably sustainable. Advantage Halladay in the long run.

Zito75

06-12-2009, 09:38 PM

ESPN Picking anyone as the winner of something is probably as bad as the Madden curse.

Well Halladay did leave the game early today with a groin injury. I think we just jinxed the poor guy.

Rich the Giants fan

06-13-2009, 02:59 AM

Two man race? And it doesn't include Halladay? lol...explains why I don't watch much ESPN.

Big_Mac

06-13-2009, 07:15 PM

Halladay is now listed as day-to-day, whew! Had a bit of a coronary when I saw the injury. I hope he wins the Cy Young, he deserves another one. I don't watch much other baseball aside for the Jays, so I couldn't tell you if someone else has been better, but I do know Halladay gives the Jays a chance every game. He hasn't had a bad start in what seems forever.

ESPN, you know, I used to get pumped everytime I stayed in the States cause I'd get to watch ESPN and everytime, I was throughly dissapointed. I've just stopped watch it sometimes because it's just not a great source for good commentary.