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BiZmaRK
06-08-2009, 12:47 PM
As of today, here are the run support figures for each of the Giants starters this year:

1) Cain 5.1

2) Lincecum 4.9

3) Johnson 3.9

4) Sanchez 3.2

5) Zito 2.5

The big change from last year is increased run support for Cain. But why is Zito still getting only about half the run support that Lincecum is getting?
Honus Wagner Rules
06-08-2009, 12:55 PM
Funny how Cain is now getting more run support and finally winning games. Of course this has lead some to proclaim that Cain has finally "learned how to win". :happy:
KHenry14
06-09-2009, 10:15 PM
Obviously Cain is getting a LOT more support this year, he got nine runs of support tonight for example. But in the last two seasons he would have blown some of these leads, this year he's not doing that. Tonight is a good example, he wasn't sharp but he was good enough to win.
BiZmaRK
06-10-2009, 05:32 PM
Obviously Cain is getting a LOT more support this year, he got nine runs of support tonight for example. But in the last two seasons he would have blown some of these leads, this year he's not doing that. Tonight is a good example, he wasn't sharp but he was good enough to win.
Any ideas why Cain & Lincecum are getting about twice the run support as Zito? At 5.1, 4.9 & 2.5, that's a total of 12.5 for all three. Lincecum & Cain don't need the run support as much as Zito. If you reduced Lincecum & Cain's run support by 1.0 each and gave that to Zito, perhaps the Giants would have a few more wins.
hallzee
07-02-2009, 08:02 PM
Baseball is a mental game - when certain guys are on the hill, the other 8 players expect a win... When certain others are on the mound, they'll maybe not expect a win so much.

Brings the whole team tempo down defensively, and in the case of Zito - offensively too. JMHO.
BiZmaRK
07-09-2009, 05:45 PM
Baseball is a mental game - when certain guys are on the hill, the other 8 players expect a win... When certain others are on the mound, they'll maybe not expect a win so much.

Brings the whole team tempo down defensively, and in the case of Zito - offensively too. JMHO.
The importance of the offense putting up runs is far greater when Zito is pitching than when Lincecum or Cain is pitching. The hitters are major leaguers and are out to win. So they should know this and put up just as much an effort when Zito is pitching as when Cain and Lincecum are pitching.
chris14
07-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Lincecum already has 6 runs of support tonight but more importantly has a no no through 6.
Rich the Giants fan
07-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Oh, so it was your fault!

:D
hallzee
07-10-2009, 01:07 PM
Oh, so it was your fault!

:D

Does posting about it count as talking (or even texting) about it? I too believe the Baseball Gods, in their infinite wisdom, foresaw the advent of the internet! :cap:
chris14
07-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Sorry guys. My bad.

As for today..
Cain just went 9 scoreless and the Ginats are batting in the bottom of the 9th.
Get a run to get Cain his MLB leading 13th win!!! :crossfingers:
chris14
07-29-2009, 02:59 PM
As for today..
Cain just went 9 scoreless and the Ginats are batting in the bottom of the 9th.
Get a run to get Cain his MLB leading 13th win!!! :crossfingers:
Well, the Giants couldn't get a run on the board today for Cain.
Wilson is in now. We could have used a fith of what his run support has been this season today for the win.
I hope Sabian gets Sanchez and Willingham or Dunn.
Throw Garko in the OF with Sanchez at 2B and Dunn at 1B.
We need runs!
Rich the Giants fan
07-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Well, the Giants couldn't get a run on the board today for Cain.
Wilson is in now. We could have used a fith of what his run support has been this season today for the win.
I hope Sabian gets Sanchez and Willingham or Dunn.
Throw Garko in the OF with Sanchez at 2B and Dunn at 1B.
We need runs!

They sure would need runs with Garko (12 games of OF experience in his pro career and slow as a slug) and Dunn in that configuration, what with all the runs they'd give up.
BiZmaRK
07-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Lincecum already has 6 runs of support tonight but more importantly has a no no through 6.
Precisely why they should move that run support to nights when Zito is pitching.
BiZmaRK
07-30-2009, 12:53 PM
Over the course of this season, Lincecum is getting about run support of about 4.95 per game and Cain about 4.33. Meanwhile, Zito is getting run support of about 3.14 per game. If you were to take one run of support away from each of Lincecum & Cain and give it to Zito, that would put Lincecum at 3.95, Cain at 3.33 and Zito at 5.14. That would amount to about 3 extra wins for the Giants up to this date.
BiZmaRK
08-20-2009, 04:00 PM
The trend continues.

Lincecum pitches against the Reds and the Giants score 8
Zito pitches against the Reds and the Giants score 1

It's not a coincidence.
Honus Wagner Rules
08-20-2009, 04:14 PM
The trend continues.

Lincecum pitches against the Reds and the Giants score 8
Zito pitches against the Reds and the Giants score 1
Well, they only scored one run for Matt Cain today.



It's not a coincidence.

It's just randomness.
BiZmaRK
08-21-2009, 10:27 AM
Well, they only scored one run for Matt Cain today.



It's just randomness.
When Zito is pitching, why can't Bochy (or the hitters themselves) get the hitters to perform at the levels they are playing at when Lincecum is pitching?

I wonder what the team batting average is in game Lincecum pitches vs. team batting average is in games in which Zito pitches.
buck55
08-22-2009, 12:39 AM
When Zito is pitching, why can't Bochy (or the hitters themselves) get the hitters to perform at the levels they are playing at when Lincecum is pitching?

I wonder what the team batting average is in game Lincecum pitches vs. team batting average is in games in which Zito pitches.

I'm sure if Bochy (or the hitters themselves) had a magical potion that could make them produce no matter who was on the mound, the entire offense would be on it. It really is just random for when the offense does well. The proof is in what we all know, the run support for Cain over the past two seasons compared to this year. But each pitcher in the rotation has been screwed out of a win at least once by the lack of offense. I don't think it's a "Zito is pitching, so let's take the night off" thing.

I wish they'd hit better no matter who is pitching!
hallzee
08-22-2009, 09:44 AM
Or at least if they DO pull a pitcher with RISP at or about the sixth inning, DON'T make the pinch hitter Fred Lewis.

Wednesday: Zito throwing a gem (2 hits, no runs allowed through 6 - only threw 72 pitches I think); Lewis pops out to end the inning. No win for Zito.

Friday: Sanchez, throwing a good game (no earned through 5); Lewis strikes out (and then doesn't even run out the dropped ball by the catcher on strike three; just heads back to the dugout!!).

You can't blame him for the pop-up - but not hustling on the K pissed me off.
BiZmaRK
09-03-2009, 04:10 PM
I'm sure if Bochy (or the hitters themselves) had a magical potion that could make them produce no matter who was on the mound, the entire offense would be on it. It really is just random for when the offense does well. The proof is in what we all know, the run support for Cain over the past two seasons compared to this year. But each pitcher in the rotation has been screwed out of a win at least once by the lack of offense. I don't think it's a "Zito is pitching, so let's take the night off" thing.

I wish they'd hit better no matter who is pitching!
Buck - Do you understand the concept of sample size? If it were truly random, the numbers would even out after a reasonable period of time. And in the case of Zito, Cain and Lincecum, a reasonable period of time has passed that we can rely on the data to not be random.