BBF Progressive Hall of Fame Election: 1948

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Format and Rules
Voting Rules: Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
-Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot.

Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons . If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 PAs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
- Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.
- Death Exception: For players who meet the criteria for consideration, but die before their first year of eligibility can have the five year waiting period waived and placed on the ballot the year of death.

Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

1948 Guide
There are 26 candidates on the 1948 ballot - 20 holdovers and 6 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1943 (unless qualifying under the age or death rule).

Newly Eligible (6)
Freddie Fitzsimmons
Lefty Gomez
Carl Hubbell
Danny MacFayden
Rip Radcliff
Bill Swift

Holdovers (20)

Player Year of Eligibility Previous Support High Support Low Support
Dave Bancroft 14th 14.29% 28.13% (1936) 8.82% (1940)
Wally Berger 4th 46.43% 51.72% (1945) 46.43% (1947)
Jim Bottomley 7th 25.00% 27.59% (1945) 22.22% (1946)
Earle Combs 9th 14.29% 24.14% (1945) 11.76% (1940)
Kiki Cuyler 6th 42.86% 55.17% (1945) 33.33% (1946)
Dizzy Dean 3rd 71.43% 71.43% (1947) 70.37% (1946)
Wes Ferrell 3rd 53.57% 53.57% (1947) 51.85% (1946)
Burleigh Grimes 10th 60.71% 60.71% (1947) 48.15% (1946)
Babe Herman 7th 14.29% 20.00% (1943) 11.11% (1943)
Tony Lazzeri 4th 25.00% 37.93% (1945) 25.00% (1947)
Ted Lyons 2nd 71.43% 71.43% (1947) 71.43% (1947)
Heinie Manush 4th 25.00% 34.48% (1945) 25.00% (1947)
Rabbit Maranville 11th 64.29% 68.97% (1945) 56.76% (1942)
Carl Mays 15th 53.57% 56.25% (1937) 37.84% (1942)
Buddy Myer 3rd 14.29% 14.29% (1947) 11.11% (1946)
Sam Rice 10th 60.71% 71.43% (1941) 52.26% (1946)
Eppa Rixey 11th 53.57% 60.00% (1938) 37.04% (1946)
Ray Schalk 15th 10.71% 25.00% (1934) 6.67% (1943)
Wally Schang 13th 42.86% 42.86% (1941) 32.35% (1937)
Hack Wilson 10th 53.57% 57.14% (1941) 40.74% (1944)

Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (3)

Player Reason Years on Ballot High Support Low Support
Urban Shocker End of Eligibility 15 44.83% (1945) 15.63% (1939)

Last Year of Eligibility (2)

Player High Support
Carl Mays 56.25% (1937)
Ray Schalk 25.00% (1934)


Penultimate Year of Eligibility (1)

Player High Support
Dan Bancroft 28.13% (1936)


Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (5)

Player Previous Support Years with At Least 50% Support
Dizzy Dean 71.43% 2
Wes Ferrell 53.57% 2
Ted Lyons 71.43% 1
Rabbit Maranville 64.29% 10
Carl Mays 53.37% 6
Sam Rice 60.71% 9
Eppa Rixey 53.57% 6
Hack Wilson 53.37% 5

Hall of Famers
Players Elected - 118

Player Year Elected Election Percentage Years on Ballot Position Primary Team Active Years Total Seasons Living/Deceased Age at Election
Pete Alexander 1935 93.94% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1911-1930 20 Living - Age 61 48
Cap Anson 1902 100% 1 First Base Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1871-1897 27 Deceased (1852-1922) 50
Earl Averill 1947 82.14% 2 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1929-1941 13 Living - Age 46 45
Frank Baker 1927 96.43% 1 Third Base Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922 13 Living - Age 60 41
Ross Barnes^ 1911 76.00% 11 Second Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879, 1881 9 Deceased (1850-1915) 61
Jake Beckley 1917 76.00% 6 First Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1887-1907 20 Deceased (1867-1918) 50
John Beckwith*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Third Base Chicago Giants (NNL) 1916-1938 19 Living - Age 46 45
Charlie Bennett 1907 75.00% 7 Catcher Detroit Wolverines (NL) 1878, 1880-1893 15 Deceased (1854-1927) 53
Roger Bresnahan 1925 79.17% 6 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1897, 1900-1915 17 Deceased (1879-1944) 46
Dan Brouthers 1901 90.00% 1 First Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1896, 1904 18 Deceased (1858-1932) 50
Mordecai Brown 1921 96.77% 1 Pitcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1903-1916 14 Deceased (1876-1948) 45
Pete Browning 1909 77.27% 9 Left Field/Center Field Louisville Colonels (NL/AA) 1882-1894 13 Deceased (1861-1905) Deceased
Jesse Burkett 1910 92.00% 1 Left Field Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1890-1895 16 Living - Age 80 42
Max Carey 1934 82.14% 1 Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1910-1929 20 Living - Age 58 44
Bob Caruthers 1909 77.27% 9 Pitcher/Right Field St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA) 1884-1893 10 Deceased (1864-1911) 45
Frank Chance 1932 83.33% 14 First Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1898-1914 17 Deceased (1876-1924) Deceased
Oscar Charleston*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL) 1915-1941 27 Living - Age 52 51
Cupid Childs 1920 76.92% 15 Second Base Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1888, 1890-1901 13 Deceased (1867-1912) Deceased
Fred Clarke 1917 88.00% 1 Left Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1894-1915 21 Living - Age 78 45
John Clarkson 1901 90.00% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1882, 1884-1894 12 Deceased (1861-1909) 40
Ty Cobb 1933 96.55% 1 Center Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1905-1928 24 Living - Age 62 47
Mickey Cochrane 1942 89.19% 1 Catcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1937 13 Living - Age 44 38
Eddie Collins 1935 96.67% 1 Second Base Chicago White Sox (AL) 1906-1930 25 Living - Age 60 48
Jimmy Collins 1913 82.61% 1 Third Base Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL) 1895-1908 14 Deceased (1870-1943) 43
Roger Connor 1902 79.17% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1857-1931) 45
Andy Cooper*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1920-1941 22 Deceased (1898-1941) Deceased
Stan Coveleski 1934 89.29% 2 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1912, 1916-1928 14 Living - Age 59 45
Sam Crawford 1922 92.86% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1899-1917 19 Living - Age 68 41
Bill Dahlen 1916 88.00% 1 Shortstop Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891-1911 21 Living - Age 78 46
George Davis 1914 84.62% 1 Shortstop New York Giants (NL) 1890-1909 20 Deceased (1870-1940) 44
Ed Delahanty 1908 96.00% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1903 16 Deceased (1867-1903) Deceased
Larry Doyle 1926 76.00% 2 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1907-1920 14 Living - Age 62 40
Hugh Duffy 1918 75.00% 8 Center Field/Outfield Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1888-1891, 1904-1906 17 Living - Age 82 52
Buck Ewing 1902 83.33% 1 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1859-1906) 43
Red Faber 1940 76.46% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1914-1933 20 Living - Age 60 52
Elmer Flick 1916 80.00% 1 Right Field Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1898-1910 13 Living - Age 72 40
Willie Foster*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher Chicago American Giants (ANL/NNL) 1923-1938 16 Living - Age 44 43
Frankie Frisch 1942 91.89% 1 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1919-1937 19 Living - Age 49 43
Pud Galvin 1903 80.77% 3 Pitcher Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1875, 1879-1892 15 Deceased (1856-1902) Deceased
Lou Gehrig 1944 100% 1 First Base New York Yankees (AL) 1923-1939 17 Deceased (1903-1941) Deceased
Charlie Gehringer 1947 100% 1 Second Base Detroit Tigers (AL) 1924-1942 19 Living - Age 45 44
Josh Gibson*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Catcher Homestead Grays (ANL/NNL) 1929-1946 18 Deceased (1911-1947) Deceased
Jack Glasscock 1911 84.00% 11 Shortstop Cleveland Blues (NL) 1879-1895 17 Deceased (1857-1947) 54
George Gore 1909 77.27% 9 Center Field Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1867-1933) 52
Goose Goslin 1943 93.33% 1 Left Field Washington Senators (NL) 1921-1938 18 Living - Age 47 42
Frank Grant*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Second Base Cuban Giants (I/MSL) 1886-1905 20 Deceased (1865-1937) Deceased
Clark Griffith* 1940 (VC) 78.57% VC Pitcher Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914 20 Living - Age 78 70
Heinie Groh 1936 81.25% 5 Third Base Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1912-1927 16 Living - Age 59 47
Lefty Grove 1946 100% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1941 17 Living - Age 48 46
Billy Hamilton 1906 82.61% 1 Center Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1901 14 Deceased (1866-1940) 40
Gabby Hartnett 1946 96.30% 1 Catcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1922-1941 20 Living - Age 48 46
Harry Heilmann 1937 96.18% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1914, 1916-1930, 1932 17 Living - Age 53 43
Pete Hill*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (I) 1899-1925 27 Living - Age 68 67
Paul Hines 1904 76.00% 4 Center Field Providence Grays (NL) 1872-1891 20 Deceased (1855-1935) 49
Rogers Hornsby 1942 97.30% 1 Second Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1915-1937 23 Living - Age 51 45
Hughie Jennings 1927 75.00% 14 Shortstop Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17 Deceased (1869-1928) 58
Grant Johnson*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1895-1916 22 Living - Age 74 73
Walter Johnson 1932 100% 1 Pitcher Washington Senators (AL) 1907-1927 21 Deceased (1887-1946) 45
Addie Joss 1926 76.00% 15 Pitcher Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1902-1910 9 Deceased (1880-1911) Deceased
Tim Keefe 1901 75.00% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1857-1933) 44
Willie Keeler 1916 92.00% 2 Right Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1892-1910 19 Deceased (1872-1923) 44
Joe Kelley 1920 84.62% 8 Left Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1906, 1908 17 Deceased (1871-1943) 49
King Kelly 1902 75.00% 2 Right Field/Catcher Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1878-1893 16 Deceased (1857-1894) Deceased
Napoleon Lajoie 1921 96.77% 1 Second Base Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1896-1916 21 Living - Age 74 47
Tommy Leach* 1940 (VC) 85.71% VC Third Base/Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1898-1915, 1918 19 Living - Age 71 63
John Henry Lloyd*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Lincoln Giants (I/ECL) 1906-1932 27 Living - Age 64 63
Herman Long* 1925 (VC) 75.00% VC Shortstop Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1889-1904 16 Deceased (1866-1909) Deceased
Sherry Magee 1924 86.21% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1904-1919 16 Deceased (1884-1929) 40
Christy Mathewson 1922 93.55% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1900-1916 17 Deceased (1880-1925) 41
Joe McGinnity 1913 91.30% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1899-1908 10 Deceased (1871-1929) 42
Bid McPhee 1905 75.00% 2 Second Base Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1882-1899 18 Deceased (1859-1943) 42
Cal McVey*^ 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Catcher/First Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879 9 Deceased (1849-1926) 71
Jose Mendez*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL) 1908-1926 19 Deceased (1887-1928) Deceased
Bill Monroe*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Second Base Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1896-1914 19 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Tony Mullane 1908 80.00% 8 Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1881-1894 14 Deceased (1859-1944) 49
Kid Nichols 1911 100% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1890-1901, 1904-1906 15 Living - Age 79 42
Jim O'Rourke 1901 90.00% 1 Left Field/Utility New York Giants (NL) 1872-1893, 1904 23 Deceased (1850-1919) 51
Alejandro Oms*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL) 1917-1935 19 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Dickey Pearce*^ 1920 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) 1871-1877 6 Deceased (1836-1908) Deceased
Lip Pike*^ 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Baltimore Canaries (NA) 1871-1878, 1881, 1887 10 Deceased (1845-1926) Deceased
Eddie Plank 1922 92.86% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1901-1917 17 Deceased (1875-1926) 47
Spotswood Poles*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Lincoln Stars (I) 1909-1923 15 Living - Age 59 58
Charley Radbourn 1901 95.00% 1 Pitcher Providence Grays (NL) 1881-1891 11 Deceased (1854-1897) Deceased
Dick Redding*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL) 1911-1938 18 Deceased (1891-1948) 56
Hardy Richardson* 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC Second Base/Left Field Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1855-1931) 65
Bullet Rogan*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1917-1938 22 Living - Age 59 58
Edd Roush 1943 76.67% 1 Center Field Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1913-1929, 1931 18 Living - Age 54 49
Amos Rusie 1906 78.26% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901 10 Deceased (1871-1942) 35
Babe Ruth 1940 97.06% 1 Right Field/Left Field New York Yankees (AL) 1914-1935 22 Deceased (1895-1948) 45
Jimmy Ryan* 1930 (VC) 86.67% VC Center Field Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1885-1900, 1902, 1903 18 Deceased (1863-1923) Deceased
Louis Santop*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Catcher Hilldale Daises (I) 1909-1926 18 Deceased (1890-1942) Deceased
Joe Sewell 1942 75.68% 5 Shortstop/Third Base Cleveland Indians (AL) 1920-1933 14 Living - Age 49 43
Jimmy Sheckard* 1945 (VC) 83.33% VC Left Field Chicago Cubs (NL) 1897-1913 17 Deceased (1878-1947) 67
George Sisler 1935 90.91% 1 First Base St. Louis Browns (AL) 1915-1922, 1924-1930 15 Living - Age 54 42
Al Spalding^ 1915 80.00% 15 Pitcher Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1878 8 Deceased (1850-1915) Deceased
Tris Speaker 1933 100% 1 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1907-1928 22 Living - Age 60 45
Joe Start*^ 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC First Base Providence Grays (NL) 1871-1886 16 Deceased (1842-1927) 78
Turkey Stearnes*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Center Field Detroit Stars (NNL/NAL) 1923-1942 20 Living - Age 47 46
Harry Stovey 1907 75.00% 7 Left Field/First Base Philadelphia Athletics (AA) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1856-1931) 51
Ezra Sutton* 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Third Base Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1871-1888 18 Deceased (1850-1907) Deceased
Bill Terry 1941 80.00% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1923-1936 14 Living - Age 49 43
Sam Thompson 1907 79.17% 5 Right Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1885-1898, 1906 14 Deceased (1860-1922) 47
Cristobal Torriente*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (NNL) 1913-1928 16 Deceased (1893-1938) Deceased
Pie Traynor 1942 83.78% 1 Third Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1920-1937 18 Living - Age 49 42
Dazzy Vance 1940 76.47% 1 Pitcher Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1915, 1918, 1922-1935 16 Living - Age 57 48
George Van Haltren 1918 75.00% 11 Center Field New York Giants (NL) 1887-1903 17 Deceased (1866-1945) 52
Rube Waddell 1915 84.00% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1897, 1899-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Honus Wagner 1922 92.86% 1 Shortstop Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1897-1917 21 Living - Age 74 48
Bobby Wallace 1925 75.00% 3 Shortstop St. Louis Browns (AL) 1894-1918 25 Living - Age 73 52
Ed Walsh 1922 89.29% 1 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1904-1917 14 Living - Age 67 41
John Ward 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop/Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1878-1894 17 Deceased (1860-1925) 47
Mickey Welch* 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1892 13 Deceased (1859-1941) 61
Zack Wheat 1932 87.50% 1 Left Field Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1909-1927 10 Living - Age 60 44
Deacon White 1904 76.00% 4 Catcher/Third Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1871-1890 20 Deceased (1847-1939) 57
Smokey Joe Williams*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Homestead Grays (I/ANL) 1905-1932 28 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Vic Willis 1919 77.78% 5 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1898-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1947) 43
George Wright^ 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1882 12 Deceased (1847-1937) 60
Cy Young 1916 100% 1 Pitcher Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL) 1890-1911 22 Living - Age 81 49

* = Elected by Veterans Committee
^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
` = Played in the Negro Leagues

Players Elected by Primary Position
Catcher (9): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Mickey Cochrane, Buck Ewing, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Cal McVey, Louis Santop, Deacon White
First Base (8): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, Lou Gehrig, George Sisler, Joe Start, Bill Terry
Second Base (12): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Frank Grant, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Bill Monroe, Hardy Richardson
Third Base (7): Frank Baker, John Beckwith, Jimmy Collins, Heinie Groh, Tommy Leach, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor
Shortstop (13): Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie
Jennings, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Herman Long, Dickey Pearce, Joe Sewell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, George Wright
Left Field (10): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Joe Kelley, Sherry Magee, Jim O'Rourke, Jimmy Sheckard, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
Center Field (19): Earl Averill, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Alejandro Oms, Lip Pike, Spotswood Poles, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, George Van Haltren
Right Field (7): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Willie Keeler, Babe Ruth, Sam Thompson
Pitcher (32): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Bob Caruthers, John
Clarkson, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Kid Nichols, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Smokey Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Cy Young

Players Elected by Year
1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
1903 (1): Pud Galvin
1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
1905 (1): Bid McPhee
1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
1912 (0):
1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
1914 (1): George Davis
1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
1919 (1): Vic Willis
1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
- 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
1923 (0):
1924 (1): Sherry Magee
1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
- 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
1926 (1): Larry Doyle
1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
1928 (0):
1929 (1): Addie Joss
1930 (0):
- 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
1931 (0):
1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
- 1935 VC (0):
1936 (1): Heinie Groh
1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
1938 (0):
1939 (0):
1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
- 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
1941 (1): Bill Terry
1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush
1944 (1): Lou Gehrig
1945 (0):
- 1945 VC (1): Jimmy Sheckard
1946 (2): Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
1947 (2): Earl Averill, Charlie Gehringer
- 1947 Negro League Players VC (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Willie Foster, Josh Gibson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Jose Mendez, Bill Monroe, Alejandro Oms, Spotswood Poles, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Louis Santop, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, Smokey Joe Williams

Players Elected by Primary Decade
1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
1890s (19): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
1900s (24): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred
Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Bill Monroe, Eddie Plank, Jimmy Sheckard, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
1910s (16): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Sherry Magee, Jose Mendez, Spotswood Poles, Louis Santop, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Smokey Joe Williams
1920s (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Cristobal Torriente, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
1930s (10): Earl Averill, Mickey Cochrane, Willie Foster, Charlie Gehringer, Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett, Turkey Stearnes, Bill Terry

Players Elected by Primary Organization
Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
Boston Braves (fka Beaneaters) (NL) (6): John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Kid Nichols, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis
Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (2): Jimmy Collins, Cy Young
Boston Red Stockings (NA) (4): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Al Spalding, George Wright
Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
Brooklyn Dodgers (fka Robins) (2): Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL/NNL) (3): Grant Johnson, Bill Monroe, Dick Redding
Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
Chicago American Giants (I/NNL/NSL/NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Pete Hill, Cristobal Torriente
Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (10): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark Griffith, George Gore, Gabby Hartnett, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan, Jimmy Sheckard
Chicago Giants (NNL) (1): John Beckwith
Chicago White Sox (AL) (3): Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Ed Walsh
Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (4): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane, Edd Roush
Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (7): Earl Averill, Stan Coveleski, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Joe Sewell, Tris Speaker
Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
Cuban Giants (I/MSL) (1): Frank Grant
Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL) (1): Alejandro Oms
Detroit Stars (I/NNL/NAL) (1): Turkey Stearnes
Detroit Tigers (AL) (4): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Charlie Gehringer, Harry Heilmann
Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
Hilldale Daises (fka Darby Daises) (I/ECL/ANL/EWL) (1): Louis Santop
Homestead Grays (I/ANL/NNL) (2): Josh Gibson, Smokey Joe Williams
Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL/NSL/NAL) (1): Oscar Charleston
Kansas City Monarchs (I/NNL/NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Jose Mendez, Bullet Rogan
Lincoln Giants (I/ECL/ANL) (1): John Henry Lloyd
Lincoln Stars (I) (1): Spotswood Poles
Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
New York Giants (NL) (14): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
New York Yankees (AL) (2): Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth
Philadelphia Athletics (AL) (5): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Lefty Grove, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell
Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (6): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor, Honus Wagner
Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
St. Louis Browns (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (2): Bob Caruthers, Rogers Hornsby
Washington Senators (AL) (2): Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson

Hall of Fame Contributors Wing
Contributors Elected - 20

Contributor Year Elected
Doc Adams (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=639&pid=16943) 1925
Ed Barrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Barrow) 1941
Alex Cartwright (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blbaseball.htm) 1925
Henry Chadwick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Chadwick_(writer)) 1925
Charlie Comiskey (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/blacksox/comiskeybio.html)1925
Jim Creighton (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&bid=770&pid=0) 1925
Rube Foster (http://www.nlbpa.com/foster__andrew_-_rube.html) 1930
Miller Huggins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Huggins) 1941
William Hulbert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hulbert) 1925
Ned Hanlon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Hanlon_(baseball)) 1936
Ban Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Johnson) 1936
Bill Klem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Klem) 1941
Connie Mack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Mack_(baseball)) 1930
John McGraw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McGraw_(baseball)) 1936
Al Reach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Reach) 1946
Francis Richter (http://www.uga.edu/juro/2003/shaw.htm) 1941
Branch Rickey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Rickey) 1946
Frank Selee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Selee) 1936
AG Spalding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Spalding) 1930
Harry Wright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Wright) 1925

Contributors Elected by Year
1925: Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton
1930: Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding
1936: Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee
1941: Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter, Ed Barrow
1946: Al Reach, Branch Rickey

Miscellaneous Information
- Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Tris Speaker, Cy Young – 100%
- Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 51
- Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
- Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 8
- Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 34
- Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 31
- Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 74.07% - Earl Averill (1946)
- Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942)
- Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939, 1945)
- Most Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 19 (1947)
- Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
- Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 47 Players (1932)
- Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
- Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
- Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
- Team With Most Players Elected: New York Giants - 14
- Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 10
- Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Smokey Joe Williams - 28
- Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
- Members Elected as Both Players and Contributors: Al Spalding
- Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
- Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
- Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 25
- Number of Living Hall of Famers: 52
- Number of Deceased Hall of Famers: 66
- Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Hugh Duffy - 82
- Deceased in Past Year: Mordecai Brown, Dick Redding, Babe Ruth

Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
1901: 20
1902: 24
1903: 26
1904: 25
1905: 24
1906: 23
1907: 24
1908: 25
1909: 22
1910: 25
1911: 25
1912: 23
1913: 23
1914: 26
1915: 25
1916: 25
1917: 25
1918: 24
1919: 27
1920: 26
1921: 31
1922: 28
1923: 25
1924: 29
1925: 24
1926: 25
1927: 28
1928: 27
1929: 25
1930: 25
1931: 32
1932: 24
1933: 29
1934: 28
1935: 33
1936: 32
1937: 34
1938: 30
1939: 32
1940: 34
1941: 35
1942: 37
1943: 30
1944: 27
1945: 29
1946: 27
1947: 28

Links to Past Elections
1901 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77167)
1902 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77464)
1903 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77797)
1904 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78133)
1905 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78417)
1906 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78737)
1907 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79020)
1908 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79393)
1909 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79738)
1910 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80134)
1911 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80597)
1912 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81008)
1913 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81477)
1914 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81965)
1915 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82365)
1916 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82681)
1917 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82940)
1918 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83241)
1919 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83422)
1920 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83665), 1920 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83697)
1921 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83924)
1922 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84099)
1923 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84257)
1924 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84423)
1925 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84552), 1925 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=84636), 1925 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83852)
1926 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84727)
1927 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84871)
1928 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85029)
1929 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85206)
1930 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85358), 1930 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=85439), 1930 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84578)
1931 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85681)
1932 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85850)
1933 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86054)
1934 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86291)
1935 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86514), 1935 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=86576)
1936 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86747), 1936 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85051)
1937 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87002)
1938 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87241)
1939 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87501)
1940 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87800), 1940 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=87854)
1941 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88041), 1941 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87881)
1942 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88297)
1943 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89063)
1944 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89394)
1945 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89744), 1945 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89707)
1946 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89923), 1946 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89916)
1947 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90195), 1947 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90109)

[NineWorldSeries]

Bottomley
Cuyler
Dean
Gomez
Grimes
Hubbell
Manush
Mays
Rice
Wilson

[KCGHOST]

Dean
Gomez
Hubbell
Lyons

[jalbright]

Dean
Ferrell, W.
Grimes
Hubbell
Lyons
Maranville
Rice, S.
Rixey
Wilson, H.

[Ace Venom]

1. Wally Berger
2. Jim Bottomley
3. Kiki Cuyler
4. Dizzy Dean
5. Wes Ferrell
6. Lefty Gomez
7. Burleigh Grimes
8. Carl Hubbell
9. Ted Lyons
10. Rabbit Maranville
11. Carl Mays
12. Sam Rice
13. Eppa Rixey
14. Ray Schalk
15. Hack Wilson

[Paul Wendt]

Late in 1947 following mwiggins on Lyons and Grimes, I provided and discussed some of the Advanced Pitching Statistics by Clay Davenport (DT cards at baseballprospectus), namely DERA and its basis PRAA.

Now early in 1948 may be a good time to compare a dozen contemporary pitchers, about half of them now on the ballot here. The table is ordered by DERA (average = 4.50), which uses a private estimate of runs saved by team fielding, compared with the average team. So it is an alternative to ERA or ERA+ (average = 100), which is based on official scoring earned and unearned runs.


DERA ERA+ OPS+ IP name
3.46 130 43 1967 Dean D
3.50 125 10 2966 Vance D
3.63 127 09 3082 Coveleski S
3.73 124 55 2681 Shocker U
3.94 116 100 2623 Ferrell W
3.97 119 10 4086 Faber R
4.02 118 45 4161 Lyons T
4.07 115 22 4494 Rixey E
4.10 116 61 3480 Cooper W
4.25 120 82 3021 Mays C
4.28 109 81 4344 Ruffing R
4.32 107 58 4179 Grimes B
Note that Ruffing and Grimes trail this group by ERA+ as well as by DERA. Carl Mays on the other hand ranks in the middle of this group by ERA+ but close to the bottom by DERA. According to Davenport's estimates, evidently, Mays benefited most from team fielding above average relative to the official earned/unearned runs.
(I understand there is consensus that Mays enjoyed excellent team fielding support and that he made some personal contribution to that. This table implies a dramatic contribution by team fielding and I don't know whether consensus extends that far.)

Suppose that pitchers are responsible for 1/12 of team batting, such as three plate appearances when the team bats around four times. Then 12 points on the OPS+ scale correspond to one percent (not one point) on the DERA and ERA+ scales. For example, the 60-point difference between Mays 82 and Rixey 22 as batters corresponds to about 5 percent on either pitching scale. For purposes of comparison with Rixey's listing, we might incorporate batting by taking 5% off Mays' DERA and adding 5% on ERA+ =>
4.04 126 (3021 inns) Mays

Months ago I frequently posted DERA* and ERA* (average = 100) which both incorporate batting essentially in the way explained here. I may get back to that, necessarily without repeating much of the explanation each time. Let me apologize for that in advance.

DERA* and ERA* for Carl Mays would differ from 4.50/4.04= 111 and 126 insofar as the point of reference would differ from Eppa Rixey's record.

(These pitchers played at the same time so a common point of reference to represent average batting skill is appropriate. The weakest batters among them are rated OPS+ 10, which has been above the average for a major league pitcher since the 1960s or so. Therefore a common point of reference would not be appropriate for comparing pitchers across historical time.)

[mwiggins]

Nice post/info Paul. Urban Shocker is that guy who stands out on that listing. Hopefully the VC will give him more respect than the general voting block has.

[jjpm74]

Sam West (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/westsa01.shtml) is missing from the ballot again.

[jjpm74]

Nice post/info Paul. Urban Shocker is that guy who stands out on that listing. Hopefully the VC will give him more respect than the general voting block has.

Urban Shocker's DERA and ERA+ are all in alignment with someone who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame which is why I don't understand the lack of support for him in general. Not just in this project. He compares favorably, and even does better than Carl Mays, Wes Ferrell and a slew of other pitchers who do get support around here.

[Ace Venom]

Sam West (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/westsa01.shtml) is missing from the ballot again.

Yikes. That's not as big of an oversight as Edd Roush, but cut me some slack here. He'll be on the next ballot.

[Paul Wendt]

same table plus three.
Hubbell, Gomez, and Fitzsimmons are new to the ballot this year and they are three more relative beneficiaries of good team fielding support, according to Davenstats. It doesn't matter here for Hubbell, and I suppose Fitzsimmons would need to be at the other end of that spectrum in order to attract support. Gomez is intermediate and there must be many voters "on the fence" or near it regarding his career. This is something to consider.


DERA ERA+ OPS+ IP name
3.46 130 43 1967 Dean D
3.50 125 10 2966 Vance D
3.63 127 09 3082 Coveleski S
3.73 124 55 2681 Shocker U
3.84 130 18 3590 Hubbell C
3.94 116 100 2623 Ferrell W
3.97 119 10 4086 Faber R
4.02 118 45 4161 Lyons T
4.03 125 -7 2503 Gomez L
4.07 115 22 4494 Rixey E
4.10 116 61 3480 Cooper W
4.25 120 82 3021 Mays C
4.28 109 81 4344 Ruffing R
4.32 107 58 4179 Grimes B
4.49 111 36 3223 Fitzsimmons F

For the same thirteen pitchers here are the team fielding estimates implied by the current ratings. These are total effects of team fielding (estimates by Davenport) rather than relative to official scoring of earned and unearned runs, which I discussed above by reference to differences between the rankings by DERA and by ERA+.

I wonder how these compare with other estimates of team fielding support, such as those by SABRMatt if he does work with the period where we have no play-by-play data.


tField name
0.34 Mays C
0.23 Gomez L
0.23 Fitzsimmons F
0.22 Cooper W
0.18 Hubbell C
0.08 Ruffing R
0.08 Shocker U
-0.01 Faber R
-0.03 Rixey E
-0.04 Lyons T
-0.06 Ferrell W
-0.10 Grimes B
-0.15 Coveleski S
-0.15 Vance D
-0.16 Dean D
A poor showing by the Gashouse Gang. Has anyone seen that supported or even suggested elsewhere?

[mwiggins]

Urban Shocker's DERA and ERA+ are all in alignment with someone who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame which is why I don't understand the lack of support for him in general. Not just in this project. He compares favorably, and even does better than Carl Mays, Wes Ferrell and a slew of other pitchers who do get support around here.

Check out his 1922 season. He led the league with a K/BB ratio that was almost a full point better than the runner up. The league posted a 0.95 K/BB ratio that year, while Shocker's was 2.614.

[Ace Venom]

Looks like Shocker has picked up my support in the VC. Carl Mays will still have my support in the VC as well.

[mwiggins]

Dizzy Dean
Wes Ferrell
Carl Hubbell
Ted Lyons
Rabbitt Marranville
Sam Rice
Eppa Rixey
Wally Schang

The disscussion last election convinced me to add Ferrell, and I'm not sure why, but Rice found his way back onto my ballot.

[SavoyBG]

Berger
Dean
Ferrell
Gomez
Hubbell
Lyons
Maranville
Mays

[Paul Wendt]

I have revised #11 to include Lefty Gomez in place of Lefty Grove. It was my purpose to add the three ballot newcomers to that data table and I misread Gomez for Grove this morning.
(Three newcomers? Yes I passed over MacFayden and Swift.)

According to Davenport, the three newcomers Hubbell, Gomez, and Fitzsimmons are three big beneficiaries of good team fielding.

According to OPS+, Gomez was a man ahead of his time. :D

[Freakshow]

Sam West (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/westsa01.shtml) is missing from the ballot again.And Al Simmons. :ooo:

[PVNICK]

Bancroft
Cuyler
Dean
Ferrell
Hubbell
Lyons
Maranville
Mays
Myer
Rice
Schalk
Schang

I am stubbornly sticking with Bancroft, Schalk and Schang. I usually vote then read so I don't feel like I'm copy-catting those that went before but having now read I feel that at least with Grimes it was a good call to take him off the ballot. Rixey, eeh, I still see his best argument being the 4000+ IP at an above-average but not much more level. It sounds too much like Gold watch logic.

[mwiggins]

Bancroft
Cuyler
Dean
Ferrell
Hubbell
Lyons
Maranville
Mays
Myer
Rice
Schalk
Schang

I am stubbornly sticking with Bancroft, Schalk and Schang. I usually vote then read so I don't feel like I'm copy-catting those that went before but having now read I feel that at least with Grimes it was a good call to take him off the ballot. Rixey, eeh, I still see his best argument being the 4000+ IP at an above-average but not much more level. It sounds too much like Gold watch logic.

I don't see where Lyons, who you voted for, really has much of an edge over Rixey. With credit for his time lost to WW2, Rixey would probably have finished with close to 4900 innings pitched and 290 or so wins.

And I doubt if he'd not have missed a full year and change due to WW1 that he'd have suddenly slumpled the way he did in 1919 and 1920. I don't know if there was any specific reason, but it took him a couple of years to get his form back after coming back from the war. So I don't think it's at all unreasonable to make the assumption that, if not for WW1, Rixey would have finished with about 300 wins, 4900 or so innings, and an ERA+ just over 120. Which, I think, makes him a solid HoFer.

And while Lyons had better peak rate years, a good chunk of those big seasons where he was at the top of the AL leader board in WHIP, ERA+, complete games, shutouts, BB/9, and K/BB ratio came during the years when he was just a "Sunday pitcher" starting only 20-25 games a year.

[Cowtipper]

Shock and awe, another full ballot:

Wally Berger
Jim Bottomley
Earle Combs
Kiki Cuyler
Dizzy Dean
Wes Ferrell
Burleigh Grimes
Carl Hubbell
Tony Lazzeri
Heinie Manush
Rabbit Maranville
Carl Mays
Sam Rice
Eppa Rixey
Hack Wilson

Guys I plan on voting for when I get room:

Ted Lyons

[mwiggins]

Guys I plan on voting for when I get room:

Ted Lyons

You can vote for whomever you want, but of those 16 you wanted to vote for, why leave Lyons off your ballot? He's got a real shot to be elected this year, and one vote could make the difference. You left him off your ballot last time, saying you'd vote for him if you had room, and he missed being elected by that one vote.

Leaving a guy like Berger or Wilson or Rixey off your ballot isn't going to make any difference since they have no shot to be elected this year, and they aren't going to fall off the ballot.

[Cowtipper]

You can vote for whomever you want, but of those 16 you wanted to vote for, why leave Lyons off your ballot? He's got a real shot to be elected this year, and one vote could make the difference. While leaving a guy like Berger or Wilson or Rixey off your ballot isn't going to make any difference since they have no shot to be elected this year, and they aren't going to fall off the ballot.
Lyons was a guy I decided that I wanted on my ballot later than the guys I already have. So, he'll be put in the queue and will wait until more room opens up (which obviously will be next year as Hubbell and some others get elected).

[PVNICK]

I just see Rixey and in retrospect Grimes as being somewhere around the line. Maybe I've moved it on them, perhaps unfairly, but such is life.

[Ace Venom]

And Al Simmons. :ooo:

I noticed that too.

[Paul Wendt]

Baseball-Reference now provides player records for any consecutive years.


I don't see where Lyons, who you voted for, really has much of an edge over Rixey. With credit for his time lost to WW2, Rixey would probably have finished with close to 4900 innings pitched and 290 or so wins.

And I doubt if he'd not have missed a full year and change due to WW1 that he'd have suddenly slumped the way he did in 1919 and 1920. I don't know if there was any specific reason, but it took him a couple of years to get his form back after coming back from the war. So I don't think it's at all unreasonable to make the assumption that, if not for WW1, Rixey would have finished with about 300 wins, 4900 or so innings, and an ERA+ just over 120.
It's reasonable and also generous.

I think of Rixey as a pitcher with ten prime years interrupted by war, 1916-25, a chronological match for Wilbur Cooper who then continued to pitch effectively through his middle and late thirties. Unfortunately it was a big interruption, missing about 1-1/2 seasons in playing time followed by 1-1/2 seasons of mediocre pitching. Even so his ten-year record is 2455 ip at ERA+ 122. His first five seasons in Cincinnati make a good peak, too, with 1449 ip (290/seas) at 130. Either he was simply back in a deep groove or he made quicker and better than average adjustments to the new style of batting or both.


And while Lyons had better peak rate years, a good chunk of those big seasons where he was at the top of the AL leader board in WHIP, ERA+, complete games, shutouts, BB/9, and K/BB ratio came during the years when he was just a "Sunday pitcher" starting only 20-25 games a year.
Regarding five-year peaks, Lyons closed with 900 ip (180/seas) at ERA+ 140. He earned the black ink for complete games and innings during 1926-30 when he worked 1388 ip at ERA+ 119. During that period he was much stronger at bat (OPS+ 57 to 11) than Rixey during 1921-25 but Rixey was significantly the better pitcher. They were about equally durable considering how much workloads dropped during the mid-twenties.

[PVNICK]

We have a pretty high bar on pitchers getting elected, or so I perceive it.

Alexander
Brown
Caruthers
Clarkson
Coveleski
Faber
Galvin
Grove
Johnson
Joss
Keefe
Mathewson
McGinnity
Mullane
Nichols
Plank
Radbourn
Rusie
Vance
Waddell
Walsh
Willis
Young

I may have misse done but I think that's it other than Spalding and Ward.

Of fthe top of my head Rixey would be certainly in the bottom half. I could be half-cocked but I see (or really guess) Faber, Joss and possibly Willis and Mullane might be "worse."

[Ace Venom]

It's come to my attention that I've had at least two age rule oversights and a ballot omission that should have been on the 1947 ballot.

Age Rule:
James Cooney (should have been eligible in 1946)
Al Simmons (should have been eligible in 1947)
Ballot Omission:
Sam West (should have been eligible in 1947)

As it stands, these are the first timers I have for the 1949 ballot.

Johnny Allen
Johnny Cooney
Frank Demaree
Ival Goodman
Don Heffner
Chief Hogsett
Willis Hudlin
Chuck Klein
Pepper Martin
Merv Shea
Al Simmons
Joe Vosmik
Sam West

[dgarza]

Jim Bottomley
Earle Combs
Kiki Cuyler
Dizzy Dean
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Babe Herman
Carl Hubbell
Tony Lazzeri
Ted Lyons
Heinie Manush
Carl Mays
Sam Rice
Ray Schalk
Hack Wilson


1. Carl Hubbell
2. Hack Wilson
3. Lefty Gomez
4. Heinie Manush
5. Kiki Cuyler
6. Sam Rice
7. Jim Bottomley
8. Dizzy Dean
9. Burleigh Grimes
10. Tony Lazzeri
11. Carl Mays
12. Babe Herman
13. Ted Lyons
14. Earle Combs
15. Ray Schalk

[jjpm74]

dgarza--What do you see in Earle Combs that makes him good enough to make your ballot year after year? He's an outfielder who was a mediocre glovesman with an average OPS+ for such a short career who falls way short on black and gray ink and never had serious MVP consideration in his career. The best thing he has going for him is benefitting from playing on a dynastic baseball team for all of his career.

[Ace Venom]

Earle Combs may actually weasel his way onto my ballot. Keep in mind that he was the lead off hitter for that dynasty and he has a 126 OPS+. He got on base and was a tough strikeout. He was a career .325 hitter. with a .397 OPS. He scored over 100 runs in 8 consecutive seasons, during which time he always had over 30 doubles a season and he was a league leader in triples three times (led the majors in 1927 and 1928). He was also a good fielder, playing center field very well. He's going on my ballot next year.

[Freakshow]

It's come to my attention that I've had at least two age rule oversights and a ballot omission that should have been on the 1947 ballot.

Age Rule:
James Cooney (should have been eligible in 1946)
Al Simmons (should have been eligible in 1947)
Ballot Omission:
Sam West (should have been eligible in 1947)

As it stands, these are the first timers I have for the 1949 ballot.

Johnny Allen
Johnny Cooney
Frank Demaree
Ival Goodman
Don Heffner
Chief Hogsett
Willis Hudlin
Chuck Klein
Pepper Martin
Merv Shea
Al Simmons
Joe Vosmik
Sam WestIn addition, I have Spud Davis eligible in 1949 by the age rule. Then Red Ruffing and Rick Ferrell in 1950.

[RyanExpress30]

1 Hubbell
2 Bottomley
3 Cuyler
4 Manush
5 Berger
6 Lazzeri
7 Wilson
8 Herman
9 Combs

[jjpm74]

Earle Combs may actually weasel his way onto my ballot. Keep in mind that he was the lead off hitter for that dynasty and he has a 126 OPS+. He got on base and was a tough strikeout. He was a career .325 hitter. with a .397 OPS. He scored over 100 runs in 8 consecutive seasons, during which time he always had over 30 doubles a season and he was a league leader in triples three times (led the majors in 1927 and 1928). He was also a good fielder, playing center field very well. He's going on my ballot next year.

While I can see a case in most of this, with Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth batting behind him, just about anyone with a basic ability to walk or scrape out a hit would have scored 100 runs in 8 consecutive seasons.

[Ace Venom]

On that same line of thought, where would the RBIs have come from if he hadn't been getting on base?

[Sockeye]

1. Carl Hubbell
2. Ted Lyons
3. Eppa Rixey
4. Burleigh Grimes

[Freakshow]

Gehringer and Averill were elected. Shocker expired. They were replaced by newbie Hubbell, first-timer Dean and returnee Schalk.

Bancroft
Berger
Dean
Ferrell W
Grimes
Hubbell
Lazzeri
Lyons
Maranville
Mays
Rice
Rixey
Schalk
Schang
Wilson

[Ace Venom]

We've elected first timer Carl Hubbell and third-year holdover Dizzy Dean. Carl Mays and Ray Schalk have completed their fifteen years of eligibility. The 1949 ballot should be posted within a day or so.