BBF VC Progressive HoF Contributors Election: 1946

[jjpm74]

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[jalbright]

Bolden
Dunn
Krichell
Landis
Rickey
Taylor
White, Sol
Wilkinson

IMHO, Rickey would be a HOFer for developing the idea of a farm system and being the GM who built the Cards into a team that won six pennants during his tenure, without the impending challenge to the color line. Of course, if ;) that move succeeds, it can only add to Rickey's luster.

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[Ace Venom]

Ed Bolden
O.P. Caylor
Tom Conolly
Barney Dreyfuss
Clark Griffith
Kenesaw Landis
Branch Rickey
C.I. Taylor
Sol White
Philip Wrigley

[SavoyBG]

MY BALLOT:

Fred Clarke
Charles Conlon
Tom Connolly
Barney Dreyfuss
Jack Dunn
Al Munro Elias
Bob Ferguson
Clark Griffith
Ring Lardner
Tommy McCarthy
Al Reach
Grantland Rice
Branch Rickey
Chris von der Ahe
John Ward

[SavoyBG]

Below is our master ballot of contributors as generated by the participants in the BBFVC Progressive Contributors Committee and a database supplied by jalbright. I am positing this now because the 1941 election isn't far away. Bolded are newcomers to the ballot. Please feel free to suggest new candidates to consider as I'm only caretaker of this end of the project and could have easily overlooked someone:


This paragraph needs to be corrected, mainly the part in blue.

[leecemark]

Bolden
Griffith
Landis
Reach

[Cowtipper]

Frank Bancroft
Ed Bolden
Tom Connelly
Barney Dreyfuss
Hugh Fullerton
William Harridge
Garry Herrmann
John Hillerich
Kenesaw Landis
Tommy McCarthy
Branch Rickey
Ben Shibe
Sol White

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[PVNICK]

Bulkeley
Caylor
Dunn
Ferguson
Griffith
McCarthy
Murnane
Reach
Alfred Spink
von der Ahe

[dgarza]

I'd like to nominate Cap Anson & Frank Chance to be added to the master list.

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[jalbright]

I'd like to nominate Cap Anson & Frank Chance to be added to the master list.

The biggest hurdle each has to overcome is that they're already in as players. I'm not voting for such candidates, and I'm sure some others aren't, either.

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[Ace Venom]

The biggest hurdle each has to overcome is that they're already in as players. I'm not voting for such candidates, and I'm sure some others aren't, either.

I'd have no problem voting for Rube Foster as a player even though he's in as a contributor.

[dgarza]

Cap Anson
Morgan Bulkeley
Frank Chance
Charles Conlon
Candy Cummings
Clark Griffith
Hughie Jennings
Kenesaw Landis
Ring Lardner
A.G. Mills
Al Reach
Branch Rickey
Alfred H. Spink
C.I. Taylor
John Ward

[Paul Wendt]

These contributors were dropped from the master list, but could be added back in by nomination:
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Does anyone have a link for Frank Osborn?
IIRC,
When I read about Leavitt and Osborn a few months ago, there were two internet sources on Osborn provided by AG2004. --maybe in the BBFHOF discussion thread. One of them covered father Frank, the son, and the firm substantially.

Beyond what you asked, for me the bottom line was to eliminate Leavitt from consideration (for baseball honors) and to vote for Frank Osborn or add him to my queue(*), satisfied that he deserves a big share of credit to the father-son-firm.

*although I actually missed the annual BBFHOF contributors election, during a brief peak in paid work as a research assistant

Contributors:
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Franklin Pierce
The 14th President of the US usually picks up a few votes for worst President.

That should be F.P. Adams.

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[philkid3]

I really enjoy being a part of the Veteran's Committee, but I find the contributors take me a very long time to submit a vote I'm happy with. Now, normally I'm fine with this, but this summer I'll be extremely busy.

If you're fine keeping me a voter in the chance that I will have fine to contribute when I can, I'd like that. If you want to kick me out until I'm able to contribute regularly again, I'm fine with that, too. If you want to kick me out entirely, I understand. Just thought I'd let you guys know.

As far as the players vote, I have a pretty good idea and list that should last the summer.

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[jalbright]

Brad was on site yesterday. Perhaps a PM would spur him. The other two have been inactive for weeks (henrich over a month, Blue Blood 3 1/2 weeks).

[Paul Wendt]

Frank Bancroft
Tom Connolly
Bob Ferguson
Clark Griffith
Kenesaw Landis
Tim Murnane
Al Reach
Branch Rickey
Ben Shibe
Alfred H. Spink
J.G. Taylor Spink
C.I. Taylor
John Ward
Sol White
J.L. Wilkinson

Which of the people on the master ballot have been elected as players?

[bambambaseball]

Ill join if thats cool. Though Im pretty busy these days. Balott:

Ed Bolden
Charles Conlon
Candy Cummings
Jack Dunn
Clark Griffith
Hughie Jennings
Kenesaw Landis
Al Reach
Branch Rickey
Ben Shibe
C.I. Taylor
John Ward
Sol White
J.L. Wilkinson
Phillip Wrigley

Some of these guys Ive never heard of. Which Spink was the better know and better of the 2? Which Zaldo brother had a bigger impact then the other 2?

[bambambaseball]

Which of the people on the master ballot have been elected as players?

Cap Anson
Frank Chance
Clark Griffith
Hughie Jennings
John Ward

Maybe also Candy Cummings and Fred Clarke?

[Paul Wendt]

The Zaldo brothers of Havana, Cuba attended Fordham University and played baseball there in the 1870s before returning to Cuba where they helped establish the game.

Anyone who finds that interesting should follow the link provided by jjpm in #1 and go up to the parent page at Fordham.
directly: The History of Cuban Baseball at Fordham -- 1864 - 1903 (http://www.library.fordham.edu/cubanbaseball/Main.html) (by Fordham U Library)

See also this thread in a neighboring forum.
Playing America's Game by Adrian Burgos (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?p=1506927#post1506927)

This one is likely to be interesting too.
Early Major League Ventures into Cuba (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=73299&highlight=cuba)

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[Brad Harris]

BALLOT:
Frank Chance
Fred Clarke
Bob Ferguson
John B. Foster
Clark Griffith
Kenesaw Landis
Tim Murnane
Al Reach
Branch Rickey
Jacob Ruppert
Alfred H. Spink
J.G. Taylor Spink
C.I. Taylor
John Montgomery Ward
J.L. Wilkinson

[AG2004]

My ballot:

Ed Boldon
Tom Connolly
Candy Cummings
Jack Dunn
Bob Ferguson
Kenesaw Landis
Al Reach
Branch Rickey
Ben Shibe
J.G. Taylor Spink
Sol White
J.L. Wilkinson

I can't vote for the elder Spink, as (a) there were several other competing sports publications at the time, and (b) his tenure at TSN wasn't that long, anyway. The younger Spink has been an editor since 1914, and the Sporting News did manage to survive the Great War, something which Francis Richter's Sporting Life failed to do.

[NOTE: This is still 1946, and it's going to take time for us to fully appreciate the contributions of Conlon, Lardner, and Osborn. We should be getting to that point in about another two or three decades.]

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[AG2004]

This is officially closed. I'll tally up the votes when I get a chance.

@AG2004--Do you have any on line info regarding Osborn? I couldn't even find a reference to him in a period newspaper. Any info on him you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

There's some info at the Osborns (father Frank C. and son Kenneth H.) in the RPI Alumni Hall of Fame:

http://www.rpi.edu/about/alumni/inductees/osborn.html

There's a bit on Osborn Engineering at

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/arch/archDetail.php?afil=&archID=189&sk=death&sd=DESC

Tiger Stadium was also designed by Osborn:
http://buildingsofdetroit.com/places/tiger

Some structures associated with Frank C. Osborn, who died in 1922:
League Park (1910 modernization)
Comiskey Park (1910, in association with Zachary Taylor Davis)
Griffith Stadium
Polo Grounds (1911 reconstruction)
Fenway Park
Braves Field
Sportsman's Park (1922 renovations)
Yankee Stadium

Osborn Engineering and son Kenneth were also responsible for the 1925 expansion of Forbes Field.

A majority of teams currently play in Osborn-designed parks.

[NOTE: It won't be until the 1970s cookie-cutter dual-purpose stadiums arise that we'll realize how good Osborn's work was. When the 1990s and their "throwback" designs arrive, Osborn's influence will be evident.]

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[bambambaseball]

Both Matsutaro and McKechnie Im voting for next time plus the guys I voted for this time that didnt get elected.

[Cowtipper]

jjpm...what's up? Why have you deleted all your posts?