View Full Version : How many Osborn Engneering Parks are left?
doctor_gogol
04-17-2009, 12:28 PM
The original Yankee stadium was an Osborn stadium. Soon to be demolished.
Fenway is still in use and seems to be the only active Osborn park left in baseball.
Navin field (Tiger Stadium) is still standing.
One wall and the ticket building of League Park in Cleveland still stands.
The outfield wall of Forbes still stands.
In Boston, Braves/Nickerson Field's left field stands are still in use for college football.
I think thats it for the majors. Are there any remnants of Osbourne Engineering stadium ruins still standing? Any minor league parks that they built that are still standing?
atdy17
04-17-2009, 12:56 PM
The original Yankee stadium was an Osborn stadium. Soon to be demolished.
Fenway is still in use and seems to be the only active Osborn park left in baseball.
Navin field (Tiger Stadium) is still standing.
One wall and the ticket building of League Park in Cleveland still stands.
The outfield wall of Forbes still stands.
In Boston, Braves/Nickerson Field's left field stands are still in use for college football.
I think thats it for the majors. Are there any remnants of Osbourne Engineering stadium ruins still standing? Any minor league parks that they built that are still standing?
All of those parks were created by one architect firm. I guess they were like populous(HOK Sport) back then.
Anubis2051
04-17-2009, 01:17 PM
RFK is an Osborn Park too. It's still standing for use by the DC MLS team. Parts of Braves Field are being used by BC, and they did the renovations to Ohio Stadium in 1999-2000. They still exist, although the last high profile job was the Ohio Stadium one. They apparently have built over 100 ballparks. Here's a list of some of the more famous ones:
* League Park, 1909
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Leagueaerial.jpg
* Forbes Field, 1909
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Forbes_Field_football.jpg
* Comiskey Park, 1910
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Old_comiskey_park.jpg
* Griffith Stadium, 1911
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/GriffithStadium.jpg
* Polo Grounds, 1911
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Pologrounds5.jpg
* Fenway Park, 1912
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Fenway_from_Legend%27s_Box.jpg/800px-Fenway_from_Legend%27s_Box.jpg
* Tiger Stadium, 1912
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Inside_Tiger_Stadium%2C_Detroit.jpg
* Braves Field, 1915
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Braves_Field_and_Nickerson_Field.JPG
* Sportsman's Park, 1922 renovations
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Sportsmans_park.jpg
* Kansas City Municipal Stadium, 1923
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/KC_Municipal_old_and_new.JPG
Anubis2051
04-17-2009, 01:18 PM
* Yankee Stadium, 1923
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Yankee_Stadium_Overview.jpg/800px-Yankee_Stadium_Overview.jpg
* Milwaukee County Stadium, 1951
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Borchert_county_postcard.jpg
* Metropolitan Stadium, 1955
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Metropolitan_Stadium_aerial.JPG
* RFK Stadium, 1959
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/RFK_Stadium_baseball.JPG/800px-RFK_Stadium_baseball.JPG
* Three Rivers Stadium, 1970
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Pittsburgh_Stadium.JPG/800px-Pittsburgh_Stadium.JPG
* Ohio Stadium 1999-2000 renovations
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Skorry-ohiostadium_6048.jpg/800px-Skorry-ohiostadium_6048.jpg
atdy17
04-17-2009, 02:12 PM
There also doing the Wrigley Field renovations.
Rob R
04-17-2009, 02:58 PM
They also built Progressive/Jacobs Field. I guess their quality has slipped over the years.
mrakbaseball
04-18-2009, 03:50 AM
They also built Progressive/Jacobs Field. I guess their quality has slipped over the years.
HOK. 455 consecutive sellouts. :applaud:
Rob R
04-18-2009, 06:50 AM
HOK. 455 consecutive sellouts. :applaud:
According to these links, Osborn had a hand in it:
http://www.emporis.com/en/cd/cm/?id=113586
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/clevel.htm
http://www.osborn-eng.com/Portfolio.aspx
Eyeshade
04-18-2009, 07:34 AM
Osborne- based here in Cleveland, I think they still are- also oversaw/designed the lights that were retrofit in Wrigley back in the late 80's early 90's. I got to see a bunch of their original linen blueprints back in 91. It was like seeing the Shroud of Turin. Extremely cool.
doctor_gogol
04-18-2009, 09:42 AM
Looks like they're doing the expansion on Michigan Stadium
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=105833
You guys forgot about Osborn’s crowning achievement.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/telemudd/U772619INP.jpg
Although Cleveland Municipal Stadium is not standing
some of the concrete was dumped into Lake Erie to form a new breakwall.
NYBase
04-22-2009, 07:26 PM
Interesting... It's like the HOK of the early 1900s
atdy17
04-22-2009, 07:39 PM
Interesting... It's like the HOK of the early 1900s
One more way there similar to HOK is that for a lot of ballparks have very similar similarities. Like the ways HOK parks do.
NYBase
04-22-2009, 07:41 PM
One more way there similar to HOK is that for a lot of ballparks have very similar similarities. Like the ways HOK parks do.
You're right... Tiger Stadium, Sportsman and Comiskey are all very similar. Not to take away anything from any of those parks.
NYFan1stYankFan2nd
04-22-2009, 08:23 PM
You guys forgot about Osborn’s crowning achievement.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/telemudd/U772619INP.jpg
Although Cleveland Municipal Stadium is not standing
some of the concrete was dumped into Lake Erie to form a new breakwall.
Would've been interesting to see counterweight/tension-cable technology used to eliminate the column views in this baby!
Alas, the exterior structure doesn't look as deep as that of 1923 YS.
Wait a minute: "crowning achievement"??? Wasn't that the one they built in the Bronx??
doctor_gogol
04-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Although Cleveland Municipal Stadium is not standing
some of the concrete was dumped into Lake Erie to form a new breakwall.
That was a beautiful stadium. I only went there once. For the 81 All Star Game.
Mygirljess
04-22-2009, 10:58 PM
Who designed Shea and the Astrodome? They look so similar, I assume it had to be the same company?
mrakbaseball
04-23-2009, 03:34 AM
Who designed Shea and the Astrodome? They look so similar, I assume it had to be the same company?
Shea Stadium-Praeger Kavannaugh Waterbury of Dodger Stadium fame.
Astrodome-Herman Lloyd & W.B. Morgan and Wilson, Morris, Crain & Anderson
tugger
06-01-2009, 09:08 PM
Osborn has a new stadium (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/avons_new_frontier_league_base.html) opening tomorrow.
http://www.tigerturfworld.com/images/uploaded_images/na_All%20Pro.jpg
PowerAlley21
06-04-2009, 09:34 PM
In addition to the above, there serveral Osborn football stadia out there...
U. of Michigan Stadium (original component)
U. of Notre Dame (original component)
Lambeau Field
U. of Florida (orginal component)
LSU's Tiger Stadium (original component)
U. of Iowa Kinnick Stadium (original component)
War Memorial Stadium, Little Rock, AR (original component)
"New" Cleveland Browns Stadium (w/ HOK)
Oberlin College football
Western Michigan football
U. Kentucky (original component)
Purdue's Ross Aide Stadium (original component)
BTW, Osborn did the 1927 expansion to Comiskey Park, not the original 1910.
Old Bush Stadium in Indy is still standing...I believe it was an Osborn Park.
Astros
06-04-2009, 09:52 PM
Shea Stadium-Praeger Kavannaugh Waterbury of Dodger Stadium fame.
Astrodome-Herman Lloyd & W.B. Morgan and Wilson, Morris, Crain & Anderson
The Astrodome also used PKW.
Special Architectural and Engineering Consultants- Praeger, Kavanagh, and Waterbury of New York
Sean O
06-04-2009, 10:15 PM
You guys forgot about Osborn’s crowning achievement.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/telemudd/U772619INP.jpg
Although Cleveland Municipal Stadium is not standing
some of the concrete was dumped into Lake Erie to form a new breakwall.
Nothing says crowning achievement like being dumped into Lake Erie.
DrBear
06-05-2009, 09:17 AM
In addition to the above, there serveral Osborn football stadia out there...
Lambeau Field
I'm not so sure about that. According to John Torinus, who was on the Packers exec committee for many years (and was a former boss of mine) Osborn just did an engineering study that recommended the site along what is now Lombardi Ave. (at the time, it was the route of U.S. 41 and was the city's outer beltline). The stadium was designed by Somerville Associates, a local firm. That was for the original 32,500-seat stadium in 1957; the 2000 remodel was overseen by Ellerbee Becket.
NYFan1stYankFan2nd
06-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Osborn has a new stadium (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/avons_new_frontier_league_base.html) opening tomorrow.
http://www.tigerturfworld.com/images/uploaded_images/na_All%20Pro.jpg
That looks like a circular MALL. I understand it's not MLB, just saying. :ughh
Like the great ocean liners, they can build them big today, but they can't build them grand.
Eyeshade
06-06-2009, 07:12 AM
That looks like a circular MALL. I understand it's not MLB, just saying. :ughh
Like the great ocean liners, they can build them big today, but they can't build them grand.
Ummm....It's a Frontier League park for the Lake Erie Crushers in Avon, Ohio. It's actually very nice and looks no more like a mall from most angles than any other ballpark. There's only so much you can do with such a small place/budget and not have it look like a sandlot or a high school ballfield.
Philtration
06-08-2009, 02:16 PM
So do you think that baseball fans of the past debated about the similarities between the Osborne parks and complain that they are all alike?
I doubt it.
They were probably very happy with the new Osborn parks replacing the rickety places that they had before.
Wrigley, Fenway, Yankee Stadium… they all replaced another park at one time.
Since Osborn was the HKO of their day will the current HKO be looked at as the designer of all the classic old ballparks 50 or 60 years down the road?
Will future fans dread the day when their HKO built stadium is being replaced?
I believe they will.
The stadiums of today will be their classics decades from now and the old parks that we talk about here will be viewed as the decrepit old barns.