Bruce to walk plank?

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Soon, very soon. I set the over and under at May 1st. Sad part is, it should be Brian Sabean, man of Teflon. Signing Johnson and Rentoria, coupled with not signing Manny and Cabrera made for a horrible off season.
So, Will Clark or Bob Brenley? I'm guessing Thrill.

[KHenry14]

Jeez Ralph, it's the first week of the season and you are already talking about this? :sigh:

[9RoyHobbsRF]

I never understood the hiring in the first place

Why was Bochy hired?

What does he have to offer?

It is not that Bochy is bad, but he certainly has nothing to offer.

Not inspirational, not a tactical genius, seem slow witted

I can remember complaining last year when he muddled with the rotation to get Lincecum an extra start (both on short rest) before the all-star game. All he did was get Lincecum an extra loss.

What does he bring?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Soon, very soon. I set the over and under at May 1st. Sad part is, it should be Brian Sabean, man of Teflon. Signing Johnson and Rentoria, coupled with not signing Manny and Cabrera made for a horrible off season.
So, Will Clark or Bob Brenley? I'm guessing Thrill.

Signing Manny would have been the wrong move. Manny is expensive and past his prime. Clark manage? That doesn't even make sense. I would look for a new face. Sabean should go and be replaced by Kim Ng. :thumbsup:

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Signing Manny would have been the wrong move. Manny is expensive and past his prime. Clark manage? That doesn't even make sense. I would look for a new face. Sabean should go and be replaced by Kim Ng. :thumbsup:
New managing partner [who is looking to say, "I am here"] loves Will... Good call on Ng... Manny was, at the end, a lot less expensive than Randy Johnson and Rentoria... Sad about Bochy, a great guy. He was dealt a poor hand by Sabean.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

New managing partner [who is looking to say, "I am here"] loves Will... Good call on Ng... Manny was, at the end, a lot less expensive than Randy Johnson and Rentoria... Sad about Bochy, a great guy. He was dealt a poor hand by Sabean.

All Giants fans love Will Clark. But as far as I am aware he has not had any real coaching and managing experience. I would hate to see Will have a Maury Wills fiasco and tarnish his reputation and legacy.

Manny signed for $45 million over two seasons. That's quite a bit more money then what the Giants are paying Johnson and Renteria. Johnson got a one year $8 million contract. Renteria signed an $18.5 million contract over two years. That's a difference of $18.5 million between Manny's contract and Johnson's and Renteria's combined contracts.

I've been preaching signing Kim Ng for about a year now. Her background and experience is very impressive for a young 40 year old baseball executive. Plus the Giants can lead the way to show the other MLB clubs that a woman can be a GM.

[west coast orange and black]

ralph zig tyko: So, Will Clark or Bob Brenley? I'm guessing Thrill.

despite recent rumblings about bochy, hiring clark to man the helm would be a total disaster!

[Honus Wagner Rules]

ralph zig tyko: So, Will Clark or Bob Brenley? I'm guessing Thrill.

despite recent rumblings about bochy, hiring clark to man the helm would be a total disaster!

I think Ron Wotus or even Steve Decker would be much more logical choices.

[Rich the Giants fan]

I think Ron Wotus or even Steve Decker would be much more logical choices.
If someone got trigger happy and fired Bochy this early in the season, my choice long-term would be Decker. Wotus could do it in the interim though.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

amazing I threw it out there and no one responded

what does Bochy bring to the table anyway?

why was he hired?

reminded me of the old 50s rotating managers system where the same old guys just kept getting fired and rehired by another and then another team

why was bochy hired in the first place?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

If someone got trigger happy and fired Bochy this early in the season, my choice long-term would be Decker. Wotus could do it in the interim though.

I think the Giants may be grooming Decker for the big job. He's been moving up the Giants minor league system, presently managing at AA Connecticut.

[KHenry14]

At this point, I'm beginning to come around to Wags' thinking on Sabes. Assuming that he had the authority to make the FA signings (meaning the new guy didn't have shackles on him) the players he has brought to the team over the past few years (Rowand,Howry, Johnson, Renteria, etc.) aren't cutting it. This team is just not going to hit enough to win. Which means if the starters aren't great, we lose. And Sabes has to be responsible for this mess.

I'm thinking that he's had his chance, and it's time for new blood and new ideas. Kim Ng would certainly be that. There's enough talent for a new GM to work with with the big club and more bubbling up, so the cupboard isn't exactly bare here. One wonders with different leadership where the team might go.

[KHenry14]

I think the Giants may be grooming Decker for the big job. He's been moving up the Giants minor league system, presently managing at AA Connecticut.

Decker is much more qualified that Will would be. Funny, I've never heard Will mention that he wanted to be a manager. It would take a lot of time away from his fishing! :waving

[Honus Wagner Rules]

The Giants right now are at a critical point in terms of young prospects. They have four blue-chip guys at San Jose. I think it's imperative that 3/4 of these guys pan out. Posey is most likely to pan out and he plays a key defensive position. Villalona is the youngest and his future is most speculative. But the kid can mash. Alderson and Bumgarner seem to have bright futures. Both have top-notch arms. Sabean has never been good at developing young talent. If the Giants are to be serious contenders in the next few years these four you players have to be developed. At the very least with Sandoval and Villalona both being being big body first baseman types one of these players can be potential trade bait to fill some needs. I obviously like Kim Ng but the Giants should really do their research and look for the best candidate they can get preferably one of those smart Ive League Theo Epstein-Andy Freidman types.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Decker is much more qualified that Will would be. Funny, I've never heard Will mention that he wanted to be a manager. It would take a lot of time away from his fishing! :waving

Will never struck me as a baseball "lifer", someone that would coach for 30 years after they retired.

[Rich the Giants fan]

I think the Giants may be grooming Decker for the big job. He's been moving up the Giants minor league system, presently managing at AA Connecticut.

Believe me, I know.

[Rich the Giants fan]

amazing I threw it out there and no one responded

what does Bochy bring to the table anyway?

why was he hired?

reminded me of the old 50s rotating managers system where the same old guys just kept getting fired and rehired by another and then another team

why was bochy hired in the first place?
Could be that he was coming off back-to-back 1st place finishes in the NL West. Could be his four first place finishes in 12 years, including a NL pennant, despite being constantly hampered by payroll restrictions. Could be his intimate knowledge of the NL West. Could be his ability to handle a bullpen. Could be that players like to play for him.

Any of that sound resonable to you?

[Rich the Giants fan]

The Giants right now are at a critical point in terms of young prospects. They have four blue-chip guys at San Jose. I think it's imperative that 3/4 of these guys pan out. Posey is most likely to pan out and he plays a key defensive position. Villalona is the youngest and his future is most speculative. But the kid can mash. Alderson and Bumgarner seem to have bright futures. Both have top-notch arms. Sabean has never been good at developing young talent. If the Giants are to be serious contenders in the next few years these four you players have to be developed. At the very least with Sandoval and Villalona both being being big body first baseman types one of these players can be potential trade bait to fill some needs. I obviously like Kim Ng but the Giants should really do their research and look for the best candidate they can get preferably one of those smart Ive League Theo Epstein-Andy Freidman types.

Villalona's been raking so far in San Jose after finishing last year real strong. 2011 ROY? I'm very high on Angel.

This much I'm gonna say now. Bumgarner and Posey, 1-2 in the 2010 ROY voting. Bank on it (unless they get too many ABs/IP this year). Alderson will be nasty too.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Could be that he was coming off back-to-back 1st place finishes in the NL West. Could be his four first place finishes in 12 years, including a NL pennant, despite being constantly hampered by payroll restrictions. Could be his intimate knowledge of the NL West. Could be his ability to handle a bullpen. Could be that players like to play for him.

Any of that sound resonable to you?

if he was so great why didnt the Padres keep him?

that 82-80 2005 division champ was a real juggernaut weren't they
oh gosh that .543 2006 division champ was a monster team

guess thats why those two teams went 1-6 in post season

if they played in a real division they would have been third place teams

intimate knowledge? are u serious? what facts do you have?

what facts do you have that he could handle a bullpen?

darn that 1998 league championship is a great reason to hire him in 2007

I can see the ginats have drawn lots of top free agents since Bochy became manager, guess that proves guys like to play for him

dont let real facts get in the way

[Rich the Giants fan]

if he was so great why didnt the Padres keep him?

that 82-80 2005 division champ was a real juggernaut weren't they
oh gosh that .543 2006 division champ was a monster team

guess thats why those two teams went 1-6 in post season

if they played in a real division they would have been third place teams

intimate knowledge? are u serious? what facts do you have?

what facts do you have that he could handle a bullpen?

darn that 1998 league championship is a great reason to hire him in 2007

I can see the ginats have drawn lots of top free agents since Bochy became manager, guess that proves guys like to play for him

dont let real facts get in the way
You asked for reasons, I gave you a few. Intimate knowledge? 12-years of working in the NL West would certainly given him an intimate knowledge of the division. Can you honestly dispute that?

Four first place finishes in the SAME division as the Giants in just 12 years is a pretty good track record. Not many managers win 12 out of 12, do they? 1 out of 3 ain't too bad at all.

And just because the Giants have a pitchers haven for a ballpark that scares the top hitters away, doesn't mean they don't want to play for Bochy.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Villalona's been raking so far in San Jose after finishing last year real strong. 2011 ROY? I'm very high on Angel.
I'm high on Angel as well. I do have one concern. He can't take a walk. In '08 he had an 18-118 BB/K ratio. Eighteen walks? So far in eight games he has zero walks at San Jose. This could be a problem down the road. Will he be Andres Galarraga or Willie Mo Pena, the two players Villalona is most often compared to?



This much I'm gonna say now. Bumgarner and Posey, 1-2 in the 2010 ROY voting. Bank on it (unless they get too many ABs/IP this year). Alderson will be nasty too.
I expect Posey to compete for the catcher's job in '10. If he has a great '09 season he could get a call up this September. If Bumgarner and Alderson can avoid injuries their futures are bright. A rotation of Lincecum, Cain, Alderson, and Bumgarner could be really good.

[Rich the Giants fan]

if he was so great why didnt the Padres keep him?

that 82-80 2005 division champ was a real juggernaut weren't they
oh gosh that .543 2006 division champ was a monster team

guess thats why those two teams went 1-6 in post season

if they played in a real division they would have been third place teams

intimate knowledge? are u serious? what facts do you have?

what facts do you have that he could handle a bullpen?

darn that 1998 league championship is a great reason to hire him in 2007

I can see the ginats have drawn lots of top free agents since Bochy became manager, guess that proves guys like to play for him

dont let real facts get in the way

SD Bullpen Rank by ERA
2006 - 3rd in MLB
2005 - 6th
2004 - 8th

And what "real facts" do you have for me?

[west coast orange and black]

rtgf: And just because the Giants have a pitchers haven for a ballpark that scares the top hitters away, doesn't mean they don't want to play for Bochy.

the ballpark scares the lefties away, that's for sure.
bochy has shuffled the lineup more than last season and is doing just fine so far.