Jon Doyle Hitting?

[CoachL4]

I've seen alot of great stuff from Jon Doyle about stretching and workout stuff, but got an email from him telling me all about his Hitting DVDs.

Has anyone seen Doyle's hitting stuff? Whats it like?

Would you compare it to anyone ? Nyman? Englishbey? Slaught? Epstein?

Just curious to hear some of your thoughts.

[Jake Patterson]

I have seen Jon in action and would not have a problem recommending his material.

[bob_r]

Only problem it is $300 and the sales pitch makes him sound like a huckster. I would be interested to hear if anybody used the million dollar hitter program?

[mudvnine]

Only problem it is $300 and the sales pitch makes him sound like a huckster. I would be interested to hear if anybody used the million dollar hitter program?

Agreed . . . the price is quite high for the material that is taught. Nothing new or earth shattering that hasn't already been around and taught for years by others.

Jon just puts it in a more structured format that may help a new dad organize a training program for his young hitter.

IMO, there are other, more reasonably priced DVDs available on the market that have a better cost to material offered benefit.

[ShawmLee]

Agreed . . . the price is quite high for the material that is taught. Nothing new or earth shattering that hasn't already been around and taught for years by others.

Jon just puts it in a more structured format that may help a new dad organize a training program for his young hitter.

IMO, there are other, more reasonably priced DVDs available on the market that have a better cost to material offered benefit.


It sounds like you've reviewed the material. Can you give us a synopsis on what he teaches? I too have often wondered what his stuff was all about.

[mudvnine]

It sounds like you've reviewed the material. Can you give us a synopsis on what he teaches? I too have often wondered what his stuff was all about.

Yes, I own the Million Dollar Hitter set (2 DVDs, 1 "Bonus" CD, and workbook) and will gloss over it as to not infringe on Jon's rights.

It is a succession of common drills put together in an order that works from the basics of visual acuity, to tee work, soft toss, and short cage drills.

I will not go into the specific drills, but can tell you that besides one, they were all ones that I had seen before.

The "Bonus CD" had some excellent stretching/strengthening drills that I learned from, but thst was did not amount to enough to justify the exorbitant price IMO.

If you are new to hitting instruction, are looking for a "one stop shop", and have the available funds then it should work for you. I just think there are other, more reasonable programs available and that Jon should lower his price substantially . . . that's all.

[ShawmLee]

Yes, I own the Million Dollar Hitter set (2 DVDs, 1 "Bonus" CD, and workbook) and will gloss over it as to not infringe on Jon's rights.

It is a succession of common drills put together in an order that works from the basics of visual acuity, to tee work, soft toss, and short cage drills.

I will not go into the specific drills, but can tell you that besides one, they were all ones that I had seen before.

The "Bonus CD" had some excellent stretching/strengthening drills that I learned from, but thst was did not amount to enough to justify the exorbitant price IMO.

If you are new to hitting instruction, are looking for a "one stop shop", and have the available funds then it should work for you. I just think there are other, more reasonable programs available and that Jon should lower his price substantially . . . that's all.


Thanks for the info.

[Jake Patterson]

Yes, I own the Million Dollar Hitter set (2 DVDs, 1 "Bonus" CD, and workbook) and will gloss over it as to not infringe on Jon's rights.

It is a succession of common drills put together in an order that works from the basics of visual acuity, to tee work, soft toss, and short cage drills.

I will not go into the specific drills, but can tell you that besides one, they were all ones that I had seen before.

The "Bonus CD" had some excellent stretching/strengthening drills that I learned from, but thst was did not amount to enough to justify the exorbitant price IMO.

If you are new to hitting instruction, are looking for a "one stop shop", and have the available funds then it should work for you. I just think there are other, more reasonable programs available and that Jon should lower his price substantially . . . that's all.Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money.

[mudvnine]

Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money.

Do you own the material or have you at least watched the DVDs in their entirety?

[Jake Patterson]

Do you own the material or have you at least watched the DVDs in their entirety?No I have not (I do have his warm up DVD's and use and recommend that) BUT I have had Jon at my clinics as a clinician where I saw him work first hand with coaches.

[mudvnine]

Jake, I have no problem with what Jon teaches, I think that it would be beneficial to the new dad who wanted to help his son or daughter and more importantly, I don't believe there is anything in it that would be detrimental to any hitter.

Would you recommend Jon's two 20 minutes DVDs and workbook for $297 over Epstein's two DVDs, CD-ROM, and two books for $160? How about Englishbey's stuff for $150, Hudgen's six DVDs for $99, Mankin's Motionview! Coach Edition CD-ROM, Swing Analysis DVD, and hitting DVD for $130, or even Ron Jackson's 6 DVD set for $160?

Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money. And sometimes it is not . . . might I suggest you review the material before making unsubstantiated points. :shrug:

[ShawmLee]

Jake, I have no problem with what Jon teaches, I think that it would be beneficial to the new dad who wanted to help his son or daughter and more importantly, I don't believe there is anything in it that would be detrimental to any hitter.

Would you recommend Jon's two 20 minutes DVDs and workbook for $297 over Epstein's two DVDs, CD-ROM, and two books for $160? How about Englishbey's stuff for $150, Hudgen's six DVDs for $99, Mankin's Motionview! Coach Edition CD-ROM, Swing Analysis DVD, and hitting DVD for $130, or even Ron Jackson's 6 DVD set for $160?

And sometimes it is not . . . might I suggest you review the material before making unsubstantiated points. :shrug:

mud,

What exactly is unsubstantiated in the statement that Jake made?

For your reference, here is exactly what Jake said. "Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money".

Please explain why he should have reviewed the material before making the post that he did.

[Jake Patterson]

Jake, I have no problem with what Jon teaches, I think that it would be beneficial to the new dad who wanted to help his son or daughter and more importantly, I don't believe there is anything in it that would be detrimental to any hitter.

Would you recommend Jon's two 20 minutes DVDs and workbook for $297 over Epstein's two DVDs, CD-ROM, and two books for $160? How about Englishbey's stuff for $150, Hudgen's six DVDs for $99, Mankin's Motionview! Coach Edition CD-ROM, Swing Analysis DVD, and hitting DVD for $130, or even Ron Jackson's 6 DVD set for $160?

And sometimes it is not . . . might I suggest you review the material before making unsubstantiated points. :shrug:Mud - While I understand what it is you are saying, I feel it is far from unsubstantiated...... I have a library of dvd's , tapes, books, etc I have collected over the years and have had the opportunity to work with clinicians first hand. Jon happens to be one of them. Based on what I have seen him teach, I would feel comfortable recommending him.

If needed I could add a large list of other dvd's to you list above, but I do not feel that was the point of this particular thread..

[mudvnine]

mud,

What exactly is unsubstantiated in the statement that Jake made?

For your reference, here is exactly what Jake said. "Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money".

Please explain why he should have reviewed the material before making the post that he did.

Shawn, IMO Jake's statement implies that the repackaging of this old material "is worth the money", yet he has not even seen the material or given any reason to support such a statement, which is why I consider it "unsubstantiated".

sub·stan·ti·ate (səb-stān'shē-āt')
tr.v. sub·stan·ti·at·ed, sub·stan·ti·at·ing, sub·stan·ti·ates
1. To support with proof or evidence; verify: substantiate an accusation. See Synonyms at confirm.
2. a. To give material form to; embody.
b. To make firm or solid.
3. To give substance to; make real or actual.

un⋅sub⋅stan⋅ti⋅at⋅ed
   /ˌʌnsəbˈstænʃiˌeɪtɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uhn-suhb-stan-shee-ey-tid] Show IPA
–adjective
1. not substantiated; unproved or unverified: unsubstantiated allegations.
2. being without form or substance.


Hope that answers your question,
Mud

[mudvnine]

Mud - While I understand what it is you are saying, I feel it is far from unsubstantiated...... I have a library of dvd's , tapes, books, etc I have collected over the years and have had the opportunity to work with clinicians first hand. Jon happens to be one of them. Based on what I have seen him teach, I would feel comfortable recommending him.

If needed I could add a large list of other dvd's to you list above, but I do not feel that was the point of this particular thread..

Jake, I think price is a vital factor to be included in any type of product review/recommendation and is why I included it in my post when "bob_r" noted the price and asked about the product. If Jon were to get it down to the $100 to $125 price range, I would not hesitate for an instant to recommend this product, but right now that is just not the case.

As I have said numerous times before, I don't have a problem with the material, I just believe that when compared to the other instructional DVDs out there, that Million Dollar Hitter is way over priced at $297.

With you having such an extensive collection, I'm positive you would come to the same conclusion were you to review the material (and if Jon wasn't a friend of yours and poster here . . . sometimes the truth hurts, but helps in the long run).

[ShawmLee]

Shawn, IMO Jake's statement implies that the repackaging of this old material "is worth the money", yet he has not even seen the material or given any reason to support such a statement, which is why I consider it "unsubstantiated".

sub·stan·ti·ate (səb-stān'shē-āt')
tr.v. sub·stan·ti·at·ed, sub·stan·ti·at·ing, sub·stan·ti·ates
1. To support with proof or evidence; verify: substantiate an accusation. See Synonyms at confirm.
2. a. To give material form to; embody.
b. To make firm or solid.
3. To give substance to; make real or actual.

un⋅sub⋅stan⋅ti⋅at⋅ed
   /ˌʌnsəbˈstænʃiˌeɪtɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uhn-suhb-stan-shee-ey-tid] Show IPA
–adjective
1. not substantiated; unproved or unverified: unsubstantiated allegations.
2. being without form or substance.


Hope that answers your question,
Mud

While I'm glad that you appear capable of using the dictionary, I'm still not sure what was unsubstatiated in this context. I took Jake's post to be a general statement that you can sometimes repackage well known material into a product that has more value to the user. In general, I agree that this can sometimes be the case. He DID NOT specify that particular material.

What he said was very much like an old adage or a general statement of common sense. Something that your response was woefully lacking.

[mudvnine]

While I'm glad that you appear capable of using the dictionary, I'm still not sure what was unsubstatiated in this context. I took Jake's post to be a general statement that you can sometimes repackage well known material into a product that has more value to the user. In general, I agree that this can sometimes be the case. He DID NOT specify that particular material.

What he said was very much like an old adage or a general statement of common sense. Something that your response was woefully lacking.

Well, are you going to pay the $297 for the Million Dollar Hitter or not and what was your reasoning, one way or the other?

[halfguard]

for 297$ the stuff needs to be head and shoulders over everything out there. thats alot of $$$$.......even if its just as good, its way over priced.....

[Maxx]

While I can't speak for Jon, I would believe that he, like anyway who sales materials online as part of their teachings, prices his materials based on supply and demand. If there was no demand, the price would be lower. I think you will find that with the burgeoning market for materials being sold on the internet, that a lot of these items seem to be priced on the high side. But I promise you that a lot of people buy these materials. Mud, what may be over-priced to you, may be well-worth the money to someone else. You're entitled to you opinion, which I respect, as is Jake......

[rkbenn]

$297?:crazy

[new2thesport]

While I can't speak for Jon, I would believe that he, like anyway who sales materials online as part of their teachings, prices his materials based on supply and demand. If there was no demand, the price would be lower. I think you will find that with the burgeoning market for materials being sold on the internet, that a lot of these items seem to be priced on the high side. But I promise you that a lot of people buy these materials. Mud, what may be over-priced to you, may be well-worth the money to someone else. You're entitled to you opinion, which I respect, as is Jake......

I am glad and I am sure Jon is glad that a lot of people buy these materials at the price on the internet. One of those people is Mud.
Yes, I own the Million Dollar Hitter set (2 DVDs, 1 "Bonus" CD, and workbook) .

One does not.
No I have not (I do have his warm up DVD's and use and recommend that) .

The orginal question was:
I've seen alot of great stuff from Jon Doyle about stretching and workout stuff, but got an email from him telling me all about his Hitting DVDs.

Has anyone seen Doyle's hitting stuff? Whats it like?

Would you compare it to anyone ? Nyman? Englishbey? Slaught? Epstein?

Just curious to hear some of your thoughts.

Now Maxx, have you seen the hitting dvds? Can you comment on them? I believe the only person who has posted in this thread that has purchased them and/or saw the hitting dvds is Mudvnine.
It was an honest answer to the original posters question and is the only one who purchased it at $297.00. Many lurking Parents,(like me), appreciate reading honest opinions. There was nothing derogatory toward Jon Doyle, or even the material that was on the dvds.
You see, many people(like me) try to gather information on product and then make an intelligent decision on whether to purchase it or not. And some are just curious.
Thanks for your info on internet business though! Some people who dont have a internet business may not know how well it does, even in this current economic crisis in the United States and around the world.

[Maxx]

New2thesport--the internet marketing business is extremely complex and productive. The thing to keep in mind, it IS a business. I have no problem with Mud's comments. It is the the OTHER comments by those who haven't seen the videos who are making comments on the price.

I am just offering perspective on these types of materials in general. Obviously someone thinks Jon's products are worth paying this price, or he wouldn't continue to offer them at that price. I don't believe in spending more than $20 on pretty much ANY type of material. I did spend $77 on an exercise/nrition program--hated spending that much, but it was worth it. I spent over $100 on an instructional series, and it wasn't worth it. But I don't hold the person who sold them responsible.

[hitnpeas]

While I'm glad that you appear capable of using the dictionary, I'm still not sure what was unsubstatiated in this context. I took Jake's post to be a general statement that you can sometimes repackage well known material into a product that has more value to the user. In general, I agree that this can sometimes be the case. He DID NOT specify that particular material.

What he said was very much like an old adage or a general statement of common sense. Something that your response was woefully lacking.

Although YOU took it as a GENERAL statement, I took it to be very SPECIFIC since he "quoted" Mud before making the comment. It was a very direct/specific response to Mud's post and the way I read it made me believe he had viewed the material. If Mud had not asked the question, I sure would have. Not saying Jake doesn't know what Doyle teaches, because it sounds like he knows him better than most, but I think it is misleading to make the comment he did, when he hasn't even viewed the DVD's.

Common sense: When someone quotes someone, they are speaking directly to the comments that were made....

Peace!!

[ShawmLee]

Although YOU took it as a GENERAL statement, I took it to be very SPECIFIC since he "quoted" Mud before making the comment. It was a very direct/specific response to Mud's post and the way I read it made me believe he had viewed the material. If Mud had not asked the question, I sure would have. Not saying Jake doesn't know what Doyle teaches, because it sounds like he knows him better than most, but I think it is misleading to make the comment he did, when he hasn't even viewed the DVD's.

Common sense: When someone quotes someone, they are speaking directly to the comments that were made....

Peace!!

Apparently you were also incorrect. If you actually READ what Jake posted and still interpret it to be specific to Doyle's stuff then I don't know what to tell you. I did not read it that way.

I don't really think it is fair to say that "it is misleading to make the comment he did, when he hasn't even viewed the DVD's." just becuae you and mud didn't understand what he said.

When mud made his first post about the material he sounded as if he had reviewed it but didnt explicitly say it. So I asked him. He answered. Simple as that.

[hitnpeas]

Apparently you were also incorrect. If you actually READ what Jake posted and still interpret it to be specific to Doyle's stuff then I don't know what to tell you. I did not read it that way.

I don't really think it is fair to say that "it is misleading to make the comment he did, when he hasn't even viewed the DVD's." just becuae you and mud didn't understand what he said.

When mud made his first post about the material he sounded as if he had reviewed it but didnt explicitly say it. So I asked him. He answered. Simple as that.

This isn't really worth the debate but I am bored. Look, if someone quotes someone, their comments are aimed directly towards the quoted post, correct? It really isn't that difficult for you to see is it? I could draw you a picture if you would like. Just lmk.... :crazy

READ this and tell me he was speaking in general terms....

Mud said about Doyle's DVDs: It is a succession of common drills put together in an order that works from the basics of visual acuity, to tee work, soft toss, and short cage drills.

Jake QUOTED Mud and said the following: Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money.

[ShawmLee]

This isn't really worth the debate but I am bored. Look, if someone quotes someone, their comments are aimed directly towards the quoted post, correct? It really isn't that difficult for you to see is it? I could draw you a picture if you would like. Just lmk.... :crazy

READ this and tell me he was speaking in general terms....

Mud said about Doyle's DVDs: It is a succession of common drills put together in an order that works from the basics of visual acuity, to tee work, soft toss, and short cage drills.

Jake QUOTED Mud and said the following: Sometimes packaging the old information in a way tha allows for more efficient training is worth the money.

You obviously know better than Jake or anyone else what he meant.

Please drop it now.

The only reason I said anything was becasue mud came off like an a@@ chastizing Jake for what was obviously a missunderstanding.

Now you are joining him.

BTW, I already did tell you he was speaking in GENERAL terms. You didn't listen.

[hitnpeas]

You obviously know better than Jake or anyone else what he meant.

Please drop it now.

The only reason I said anything was becasue mud came off like an a@@ chastizing Jake for what was obviously a missunderstanding.

Now you are joining him.

BTW, I already did tell you he was speaking in GENERAL terms. You didn't listen.

I don't think Mud was speaking directly to Jake, I think he just meant in general.... :dance

[Jake Patterson]

Although YOU took it as a GENERAL statement, I took it to be very SPECIFIC since he "quoted" Mud before making the comment. It was a very direct/specific response to Mud's post and the way I read it made me believe he had viewed the material. If Mud had not asked the question, I sure would have. Not saying Jake doesn't know what Doyle teaches, because it sounds like he knows him better than most, but I think it is misleading to make the comment he did, when he hasn't even viewed the DVD's. I have been very clear I have not viewed his hitting DVD, but have viewed and used his work-out material. I have also been clear that my opinion is based on what I saw of Jon first hand. I will also add that his comments on his own site, the material he makes available to all on his site, and the discussion he has contributed here and other sites all point to a specific teaching methodology and philosophy. I offer my opinion and recommendation on the whole.

Common sense: When someone quotes someone, they are speaking directly to the comments that were made....
Peace!!We highlight what someone posts in order to allow forumers the opportunity to better understand to what comment we are responding to.

My comment: Sometimes packaging the old information in a way that allows for more efficient training is worth the money.
was intended as a general comment.

[mudvnine]

You obviously know better than Jake or anyone else what he meant.

Please drop it now.

The only reason I said anything was becasue mud came off like an a@@ chastizing Jake for what was obviously a missunderstanding.

Now you are joining him.

BTW, I already did tell you he was speaking in GENERAL terms. You didn't listen.

Sometimes people talk out of their a@@ and stick their noses where they don't belong and then whine when someone thwacks it and want other people to drop it.

[CoachL4]

So glad we stuck to the topic at hand. We had 25 posts about nothing and 2 posts about the topic.

[hitnpeas]

I have been very clear I have not viewed his hitting DVD, but have viewed and used his work-out material. I have also been clear that my opinion is based on what I saw of Jon first hand. I will also add that his comments on his own site, the material he makes available to all on his site, and the discussion he has contributed here and other sites all point to a specific teaching methodology and philosophy. I offer my opinion and recommendation on the whole.

We highlight what someone posts in order to allow forumers the opportunity to better understand to what comment we are responding to.
My comment:
was intended as a general comment.


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Sometimes people talk out of their a@@ and stick their noses where they don't belong and then whine when someone thwacks it and want other people to drop it.

:laugh:D:laugh:D

[Jake Patterson]

Explain??????

[BallCoach06]

Not to bring up an old thread, but has anyone viewed Doyle's new hitting dvd's:

"Factual Hitting: Hitting Based On Fact, Not Theory"

I did not see his first hitting work, but this is a lot cheaper than the Million Dollar Hitter he was selling for $297. This looks like it runs $49.

I have viewed his warm-up dvd and also his agility DVD, and liked what I saw with those.

Anyone with information on this new hitting work, please let me know.

[songtitle]

Anything less than $1 million would be a bargain for a Million Dollar Hitter.:hyper:

[JPCody4]

I just received the DVD. Will watch and update you.

[azmatsfan]

So glad we stuck to the topic at hand. We had 25 posts about nothing and 2 posts about the topic.

Unfortunately you could copy this comment and post it in many threads on BBF.

[BallCoach06]

I just received the DVD. Will watch and update you.

Sounds good. Thank you.