Citi Field

[metsforever7515]

I was just looking at my pictures from the past few years and it kind of disgusts me how ignorant I was. I took so many pictures of Citi Field, and not a lot of Shea, except for the last game when it really set in that I wasn't going to ever be there again. I took about 5 of Shea on OD 2008 and 20 something of Citi. Ugh, how stupid.

[SteveJRogers]

:rolleyes:

You do realize that all giveaways have sponsors and they are the ones who pay for the PROMOTIONAL giveaways? Right?

Uh, WHAT? Corey, Mongoose is talking about the AMOUNT of the giveaways that are being given away, and nothing to do with who sponsors them, or who signs off on the designs.

Mongoose is well aware that there have always been sponsored, but in recent years they've been announcing "First 25,000 fans" or "First 15,000 kids 15 and younger" or whatever.

[koufax]

hey folks, i may be goign to saturdays pirates game. im in ffld county, about 50 minutes away. when should I leave, how bad is parking, how MUCH is parking? anyone have any suggestions?

[nymdan]

hey folks, i may be goign to saturdays pirates game. im in ffld county, about 50 minutes away. when should I leave, how bad is parking, how MUCH is parking? anyone have any suggestions?
Parking is $18. Can't help you with when to leave, but I like parking in the lot across the street. If you enter on Roosevelt Ave, they'll let you in that lot. Not sure exactly how you're coming, but if you can get onto 126th street and make a left onto Roosevelt, you'll get in.

[SteveJRogers]

From the looks of things, it seems like last time the Coupons used a cheap generic mold for Seaver's head. Surely this horrible likeness wasn't commissioned specifically for the Seaver bobble-head:



With a little paint and a different outfit, it could be anyone from Jackie Robinson to Len Berman.

I'd assume it was from the factory's stock of standard heads. If the Coupons are too cheap to order a doll that even looks like Seaver, I doubt they'd be worried about a small detail like head size.

BTW, if there's one human ever connected with the Mets that's entitled to a big head, it's Seaver.

Don't blame the Mets for this one Mongoose. That is squarely on whomever Chase dealt with to make the bobbleheads, and generally the bobblehead doll and the subject rarely look alike! Why, eh probably same reason the old Kenner Starting Lineups rarely look like the subjects, they are mass produced for a cheaper, non collector market.

This is not just with the Mets though



That looks more like Buddy Holly than the 1989 Charlie Sheen!



The defending champs recently gave this, um, rendering of their skipper




Tim Lincecum



Etc...

[CoreyNYC]

Uh, WHAT? Corey, Mongoose is talking about the AMOUNT of the giveaways that are being given away, and nothing to do with who sponsors them, or who signs off on the designs.

Mongoose is well aware that there have always been sponsored, but in recent years they've been announcing "First 25,000 fans" or "First 15,000 kids 15 and younger" or whatever.

Right. But why would you blame the Wilpons when another company is footing the bill?

Look at the Yankees, with few exceptions their promos are for the first 18,000.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/schedule/promotions.jsp?c_id=nyy

Are the Steinbrenners being cheap too, or do we only reserve that term for the Wilpons?

[Strawman]

hey folks, i may be goign to saturdays pirates game. im in ffld county, about 50 minutes away. when should I leave, how bad is parking, how MUCH is parking? anyone have any suggestions?
Merritt-Hutch-Whitestone is the ticket - no question. Leave 2.5-3 hours before game time. Parking is actually much easier than Shea was - easier in, easier out.

[kingcohn]

So am I, even though I've been disappointed with the stadium replica giveaways in the past (but then again I'm spoiled by Danbury Mint). Nonetheless, I took a gamble and bought a pair (509, row 3, seats 17 and 18), which I think should be okay in terms of obstructions. :pray:

[ribant]

That giveaway was awful, but I wish I was in town for the game where they gave the replica away.

[ribant]

Right. But why would you blame the Wilpons when another company is footing the bill?

Look at the Yankees, with few exceptions their promos are for the first 18,000.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/schedule/promotions.jsp?c_id=nyy

Are the Steinbrenners being cheap too, or do we only reserve that term for the Wilpons?

A guy with the Cyclones told me teams limit the number of promos they give out as a way to get fans in the park earlier so they spend more on food etc.

[ribant]

Right. But why would you blame the Wilpons when another company is footing the bill?

Look at the Yankees, with few exceptions their promos are for the first 18,000.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/schedule/promotions.jsp?c_id=nyy

Are the Steinbrenners being cheap too, or do we only reserve that term for the Wilpons?

For all the Wilpon bashing that goes on here I have to say the Yanks/Steinbrenners are no different. They just dress it up better.

The Wilpons biggest problem is they are walking public relations disasters.

[mandrake]

For all the Wilpon bashing that goes on here I have to say the Yanks/Steinbrenners are no different. They just dress it up better.

The Wilpons biggest problem is they are walking public relations disasters.

The best thing the Steinbrenners have going for them is that they are competing with the Wilpons on the other side of the town.

Just like the Maras thank their lucky stars that their competition in NYC are the Jets, who have trouble getting out of their own way. :pray:

And the less said about the Dolans gang, the better. There are plenty of people in NY who love the teams at MSG, but show me some that like their owners. (besides Glenn Sather who must have evidence against them)

[ribant]

The best thing the Steinbrenners have going for them is that they are competing with the Wilpons on the other side of the town.

Just like the Maras thank their lucky stars that their competition in NYC are the Jets, who have trouble getting out of their own way. :pray:

And the less said about the Dolans gang, the better. There are plenty of people in NY who love the teams at MSG, but show me some that like their owners. (besides Glenn Sather who must have evidence against them)

If it means anything I think ALL the NY team owners are incompetant, and that includes Ratner.

Greedy comes with the territory. Some just diguise it better than others.

But ANYONE who thinks each team owner isn't operating the way they think makes the bottom line bigger for themselves is fooling themselves.

And what I hate about this particular argument is the simple fact the Mets have reason (rightly or wrongly) to believe they don't need to throw many bones to the faithful to make them comeback.

And as long as you come back they don't care if you vent on line. It's meaningless to them. If you have a gripe write a letter. Those get answered.

We are NOT partners with any sports team, we are an exploitable market. And we will be exploited as far as can be done.

IMHO, the Mets realize not everyone can spend the upfront money for ST's and plans so they make a small amount of premium seats available to the public at face. I don't have a problem with that.

The Yankees feel they need to reward thier best customers with discounts to and premium presales to keep them coming back so they do. Maybe they are right for thier market. I dunno and don't have a problem with that either

And the Yanks have pulled many a chain in thier time to. Remember a few years back when the Yanks kept the service fees for unplayed playoff games. How's that for exploiting a market.

Bottom line.

If you are unhappy with how your teams plan and ST holders are treated don't be one. But never get the idea that any sports team is selling you plans at a discount so you can turn a profit on the aftermarket. They are selling you a plan because it is locked up money upfront for them.

And never take as gospel a statement a year in advance saying tix will only be available in xxx, because that is not a contract. It is a marketing plan and marketing plans change depend on sales.

I feel better now.

[CoreyNYC]

If it means anything I think ALL the NY team owners are incompetant, and that includes Ratner.

Greedy comes with the territory. Some just diguise it better than others.

But ANYONE who thinks each team owner isn't operating the way they think makes the bottom line bigger for themselves is fooling themselves.

And what I hate about this particular argument is the simple fact the Mets have reason (rightly or wrongly) to believe they don't need to throw many bones to the faithful to make them comeback.

And as long as you come back they don't care if you vent on line. It's meaningless to them. If you have a gripe write a letter. Those get answered.

We are NOT partners with any sports team, we are an exploitable market. And we will be exploited as far as can be done.

IMHO, the Mets realize not everyone can spend the upfront money for ST's and plans so they make a small amount of premium seats available to the public at face. I don't have a problem with that.

The Yankees feel they need to reward thier best customers with discounts to and premium presales to keep them coming back so they do. Maybe they are right for thier market. I dunno and don't have a problem with that either

And the Yanks have pulled many a chain in thier time to. Remember a few years back when the Yanks kept the service fees for unplayed playoff games. How's that for exploiting a market.

Bottom line.

If you are unhappy with how your teams plan and ST holders are treated don't be one. But never get the idea that any sports team is selling you plans at a discount so you can turn a profit on the aftermarket. They are selling you a plan because it is locked up money upfront for them.

And never take as gospel a statement a year in advance saying tix will only be available in xxx, because that is not a contract. It is a marketing plan and marketing plans change depend on sales.

I feel better now.

You feel better now because it feels good to make sense, you realize this is a business, and you don't expect the world to be catered to your exact expectations.

I'm glad to see I am not the only one around here who feels this way.

[dpcv8]

The best thing the Steinbrenners have going for them is that they are competing with the Wilpons on the other side of the town.

Just like the Maras thank their lucky stars that their competition in NYC are the Jets, who have trouble getting out of their own way. :pray:

And the less said about the Dolans gang, the better. There are plenty of people in NY who love the teams at MSG, but show me some that like their owners. (besides Glenn Sather who must have evidence against them)

I'm gonna laugh after George dies and Hank and Hal sell to Dolan.

[metfan61]

I thought I'd mess around with the left field stands and move the field level in about 10 feet or so.

The wall will be about 5 feet lower and we can add about 5 rows of seats, fix the corner by the foul pole, fix the square by the apple and move the retired numbers toward center field.

See before and after.

[KoosFan]

I thought I'd mess around with the left field stands and move the field level in about 10 feet or so.

The wall will be about 5 feet lower and we can add about 5 rows of seats, fix the corner by the foul pole, fix the square by the apple and move the retired numbers toward center field.

See before and after.





Very interesting.
With all the triples in right field and a predominance of righty bats in the league,
I wonder if they're likely to move the left field fences in at all.
Still too early in the season to tell since we're going to have to see what the dog days of summer do to the balls at CF.
One thing is for sure, this place rocks if you want to see triples and inside the park attempts.
So far every ball hit between the bullpen and the right field foulpole has been a jump out of your chair thrill ride.
CF may be the most entertaining game-centric ballpark in the MLB.

[kingcohn]

That giveaway was awful, but I wish I was in town for the game where they gave the replica away.

[ribant]

Yep, thats the one, I had tix for the game, but summer plans got in the way

[kingcohn]

I was looking at pictures i found on flickr of the radio expo and i noticed that they had Darryl Strawberry and John Franco sign this could it maybe be part of the whole Dwight Gooden autograph idea of getting a bunch of Mets to sign something and display it by the possible Mets hall of fame?

[RayNY]

Why do they keep signing these random objects? The concept is nice, but it seems like an unorganized way of doing it. They should just make one wall, a special wall for autographs, and have all the players sign it there.

[kingcohn]

Yep, thats the one, I had tix for the game, but summer plans got in the way

A quick search of garys pictures and amazingly i found these:




GARY REALLY DOES HAVE A PICTURE OF EVERYTHING LOL

[metsforever7515]

A quick search of garys pictures and amazingly i found these:




GARY REALLY DOES HAVE A PICTURE OF EVERYTHING LOL

I'm not shocked. :D

[metsforever7515]

Lmao, just found this on my old computer.



Atta boy Fernando...

[metfan61]

Very interesting.
With all the triples in right field and a predominance of righty bats in the league,
I wonder if they're likely to move the left field fences in at all.
Still too early in the season to tell since we're going to have to see what the dog days of summer do to the balls at CF.
One thing is for sure, this place rocks if you want to see triples and inside the park attempts.
So far every ball hit between the bullpen and the right field foulpole has been a jump out of your chair thrill ride.
CF may be the most entertaining game-centric ballpark in the MLB.


Agreed but if we want bigtime righty bats on our side, we have to make left field homers a little more frequent. I love the wall but it swallows a few too many homers.

[peterrod16]

from the CBS EXPO at citi field
which image looks better for the Citi field name on top of the scoreboard
Pic 1 or Pic 2

[Stormwatch]

That looks awesome. I was waiting for someone to get a picture of that. It is nice to see that they are slowly improving some of the things we were griping about.

[metsforever7515]

That looks awesome. I was waiting for someone to get a picture of that. It is nice to see that they are slowly improving some of the things we were griping about.

Well you could have said something. I got a picture of it on Saturday! :laugh

[peterrod16]

That looks awesome. I was waiting for someone to get a picture of that. It is nice to see that they are slowly improving some of the things we were griping about.

I think the mets should listen to howie rose
He calls the LF wall the great wall of flushing
and he mention the bridge in RF should be named the gil hodges bridge since he was the bridge that created the 69 miracle mets

[Dishy24]

Well you could have said something. I got a picture of it on Saturday! :laugh

Thanks for sharing-- your quite the team player! :rant:

[metsforever7515]

I think the mets should listen to howie rose
He calls the LF wall the great wall of flushing
and he mention the bridge in RF should be named the gil hodges bridge since he was the bridge that created the 69 miracle mets

Haha, I like that. The "Great Wall of Flushing".

[metsforever7515]

Thanks for sharing-- your quite the team player! :rant:

I shared my pictures from the Expo, I guess I left that one out. Sorry Dishy! :ughh

[johnql]

Agreed but if we want bigtime righty bats on our side, we have to make left field homers a little more frequent. I love the wall but it swallows a few too many homers.

We'll have to wait and see how the summer temps, humidity and winds affect the ball before passing final judgment, but so far, based on what I have seen at CF, center and right center are much tougher fields for homeruns. I've seen numerous balls die there that I think would have had a shot at going out at Shea.

[metsforever7515]

Here it is, guess it's a little late:

[CFmets09]

wow the background on the citi field sign looks amazing.....what is this expo that a lot of people went to though?

[metsforever7515]

wow the background on the citi field sign looks amazing.....what is this expo that a lot of people went to though?

Nothing special. Promotional stuff for a bunch of radio stations (92.3's new format, WFAN, WCBS) and a bunch of random companies had tables set up.

[peterrod16]

Nothing special. Promotional stuff for a bunch of radio stations (92.3's new format, WFAN, WCBS) and a bunch of random companies had tables set up.

metsforever do you have anymore pics from the Cbs expo?

[metsforever7515]

metsforever do you have anymore pics from the Cbs expo?

Yeah, I took a bunch, but a lot of them are of the musical acts that were peforming at the bullpen plaza though. I'll make an album on Photobucket and post the link.

[RayNY]

from the CBS EXPO at citi field
which image looks better for the Citi field name on top of the scoreboard
Pic 1 or Pic 2



Pic 1 definitely looks better with the gray backdrop. It looks clean, easier to read, and complete.

[metsforever7515]

metsforever do you have anymore pics from the Cbs expo?

Before you look at them, just know I didn't take ANY of those pictures zoomed in on peoples faces. iPhoto detects faces and makes them separate files, which I find really, really odd. Anyway, heres the link:

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh82/fightinitalian21/CBS%20Radio%20Expo/?start=0

[Reyes07HOF]

My season tickets

section 301 row 2

Or section 302 row 6 aisle

Many games available pm me if interested in any games

[Gary Dunaier]

from the CBS EXPO at citi field
which image looks better for the Citi field name on top of the scoreboard
Pic 1 or Pic 2

By far and away, Pic 2 is vastly superior. :D

I'm guessing from the pictures I've seen from Saturday that fans were allowed into the seating areas on the lower level. Knowing that ahead of time might have persuaded me to attend instead of participate in Free Comic Book Day (which, for me, was a disappointing experience; I got a lot of free comics, but I didn't get the one book I was hoping to get, a 25th Anniversary reprint of the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic).

But then again, if I had gone to Citi Field I'd always be second-guessing myself on missing Free Comic Book Day, and I'm sure there will be more events like this at Citi Field in the future.

[Mongoose]

Don't blame the Mets for this one Mongoose. That is squarely on whomever Chase dealt with to make the bobbleheads, and generally the bobblehead doll and the subject rarely look alike! Why, eh probably same reason the old Kenner Starting Lineups rarely look like the subjects, they are mass produced for a cheaper, non collector market.

This is not just with the Mets though



That looks more like Buddy Holly than the 1989 Charlie Sheen!



The defending champs recently gave this, um, rendering of their skipper




Tim Lincecum



Etc...

I was especially appalled at the Ralph Kiner/Bob Murphy one which rendered them as essentially the same height.

Even though the sponsor likely foots the entire bill, I think the teams would have to have the biggest hand in designing them, determining the size of the giveaway, etc.

And you're right, they always seem to be awful likenesses. Charlie Manuel looks a bit like Bill Clinton there.


A guy with the Cyclones told me teams limit the number of promos they give out as a way to get fans in the park earlier so they spend more on food etc.

I figured as much, which is why I gave Coupon and Young Coupon the credit for the stingy giveaway.

[mandrake]

Mongoose
I found it very strange that after the thread on the so called Iron triangle was shut down, biggiesmalls just disappeared. Never posted again in the Mets forums. Hmmmm. Looks like you were right! And no, I am not starting that topic up again.....I think you won big.
Hopefully, that is a DEAD issue.:thumbsdown:

[Mongoose]

Mongoose
I found it very strange that after the thread on the so called Iron triangle was shut down, biggiesmalls just disappeared. Never posted again in the Mets forums. Hmmmm. Looks like you were right! And no, I am not starting that topic up again.....I think you won big.
Hopefully, that is a DEAD issue.:thumbsdown:

It's good to know Coupon's extra revenue from the new ballpark is being well spent.

Although many of us might have preferred him to sign a real corner outfielder like Abreu, Fred kept his eye on the prize and apparently hired a shill to beat the drum on internet chat rooms for declaring eminent domain on his neighbors instead. Sure, it was a cut-rate incompetent shill, but even a real pro would have trouble justifying a $3 billion "baseball neighborhood" on a toxic dump at the furthest end of Queens in a horrible economy.

[CoreyNYC]

It's good to know Coupon's extra revenue from the new ballpark is being well spent.

Although many of us might have preferred him to sign a real corner outfielder like Abreu, Fred kept his eye on the prize and apparently hired a shill to beat the drum on internet chat rooms for declaring eminent domain on his neighbors instead. Sure, it was a cut-rate incompetent shill, but even a real pro would have trouble justifying a $3 billion "baseball neighborhood" on a toxic dump at the furthest end of Queens in a horrible economy.

Do you really think that BBF gets that many visitors (especially one particular thread) and has that much influence that Wilpon would hire a lobbyist to sway opinion here and for a project he has nothing to do with? REALLY?

[Chuck The Mets Fan!]

Forgive me if someone proposed this earlier in the thread, but moving Home Plate up 7 1/2 to 10 feet would aleviate many problems plaguing site lines Met home run inefficiencies.

[Mongoose]

Do you really think that BBF gets that many visitors (especially one particular thread) and has that much influence that Wilpon would hire a lobbyist to sway opinion here and for a project he has nothing to do with? REALLY?

Of course not; that would be an inefficient way of spending money.

Coupon evidently hired the guy to hit every forum everywhere for one low price:

http://irontriangletracker.com/2009/...away-ferreras/

http://developwilletspoint.com/2008/...sq-park-today/

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2009/...crap-from.html

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/dove...USSU2EORH5MSGK

https://www.nydailynews.com/forums/t...390&tstart=760

And your hero Coupon has plenty to do with the project. He generated it and has been pushing it for the past 15 years!

http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:00XVnOhWS3IJ:query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html%3Fres%3D9805E1DE123EF937A15754C0A962 958260%26sec%3D%26spon%3D+%22an+entertainment+cent er+with+a+permanent,+high-tech+%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: WILLETS POINT Enough Yankees Already. The Mets Have Their Own Plans

By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: July 24, 1994

Even as the Yankees' future in the South Bronx becomes more and more uncertain, the Mets are making sweeping plans that could profoundly alter the face of Queens.

Fred Wilpon, a co-owner of the team, said that if all goes according to his plans, the Mets will be playing in a new domed stadium just east of Shea within four years. The old Shea Stadium will be torn down and replaced by a giant parking garage. Around it, Mr. Wilpon said, there will be an entertainment center with a permanent, high-tech "world's fair."

The plans were announced last year, but within the next two weeks, the Mets are to give the city a report detailing projected costs and financing of the stadium, and the city will begin the process of relocating small businesses in the area of growth...

Coupon's been churning the cauldron on this brew for the past 15 years.

It's a matter of public record!

[CoreyNYC]

Of course not; that would be an inefficient way of spending money.

Coupon evidently hired the guy to hit every forum everywhere for one low price:

http://irontriangletracker.com/2009/...away-ferreras/

http://developwilletspoint.com/2008/...sq-park-today/

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2009/...crap-from.html

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/dove...USSU2EORH5MSGK

https://www.nydailynews.com/forums/t...390&tstart=760

And your hero Coupon has plenty to do with the project. He generated it and has been pushing it for the past 15 years!

http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:00XVnOhWS3IJ:query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html%3Fres%3D9805E1DE123EF937A15754C0A962 958260%26sec%3D%26spon%3D+%22an+entertainment+cent er+with+a+permanent,+high-tech+%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: WILLETS POINT Enough Yankees Already. The Mets Have Their Own Plans

By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: July 24, 1994

Even as the Yankees' future in the South Bronx becomes more and more uncertain, the Mets are making sweeping plans that could profoundly alter the face of Queens.

Fred Wilpon, a co-owner of the team, said that if all goes according to his plans, the Mets will be playing in a new domed stadium just east of Shea within four years. The old Shea Stadium will be torn down and replaced by a giant parking garage. Around it, Mr. Wilpon said, there will be an entertainment center with a permanent, high-tech "world's fair."

The plans were announced last year, but within the next two weeks, the Mets are to give the city a report detailing projected costs and financing of the stadium, and the city will begin the process of relocating small businesses in the area of growth...

Coupon's been churning the cauldron on this brew for the past 15 years.

It's a matter of public record!

Wow a 15 year old article, you have me convinced that Wilpon will be profiting from a project that he's not involved in other than the fact his business is located across the street.

Wilpon made his money in real estate development. Tell me how it is possible that his company did not submit a bid to the city to develop the area but yet he is involved.

[CoreyNYC]

Yes... Do you like your job? (sorry HAD to say it) :)

My job around here (pointing out how ridiculous the complaints are from the "entitled") is more difficult than that of Helen Keller's teacher Annie Sullivan.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The posts that are about another poster more than any actual issue will cease. Move on or move out.

[tfc3rid]

Based on the pics from Saturday, it appears that the Xerox sign is not going anywhere...

[Mongoose]

Wow a 15 year old article, you have me convinced that Wilpon will be profiting from a project that he's not involved in other than the fact his business is located across the street.

Wilpon made his money in real estate development. Tell me how it is possible that his company did not submit a bid to the city to develop the area but yet he is involved.

You claimed Coupon had "nothing to do with" the project.

I posted a New York Times article proving the whole thing was his idea!

Coupon's ownership struggle with Doubleday was the only thing that stopped the project from happening 10 years ago. As soon as Doubleday was bought out, Coupon started moving full-speed-ahead on his new stadium and "baseball neighborhood".

Yet you still continue to claim Coupon has no involvement.

Good heavens!

:shrug::banghead:

[BaseballinDC]

Man I haven't been on in a while anything new happen? I see bombay trashing the mets, sorry I backed that guy before. All citi needs is the xerox ad to be taken down and the place is perfect.

Huh? You work for Sharp? Sorry your monopoly is up?

[CoreyNYC]

Based on the pics from Saturday, it appears that the Xerox sign is not going anywhere...

I posted Ken Davidoff's column the other day where he said MLB had no problem with the Xerox sign, that it wasn't blocking the visitor's views.

[CoreyNYC]

You claimed Coupon had "nothing to do with" the project.

I posted a New York Times article proving the whole thing was his idea!

Coupon's ownership struggle with Doubleday was the only thing that stopped the project from happening 10 years ago. As soon as Doubleday was bought out, Coupon started moving full-speed-ahead on his new stadium and "baseball neighborhood".

Yet you still continue to claim Coupon has no involvement.

Good heavens!

:shrug::banghead:

A 15 year old article proves nothing other than you have nothing but your incorrect opinion.

If I pull a 50 year old article about O'Malley wanting to build a new stadium at Flatbush & Atlantic, will that prove that he is behind the Nets arena?

Show me an article where it says that Sterling Equities is developing Willets Point and you will be correct. When the city solicited bids, Vornado, Related, Forest City, etc were involved. Not Wilpon.

[Shbmets]

I posted Ken Davidoff's column the other day where he said MLB had no problem with the Xerox sign, that it wasn't blocking the visitor's views.

Last week I posted about the Xerox sign. I went to the day game versus the Marlins and sat in the 3rd row behind homeplate next to Mets dugout (not my tickets. Got them from a client who couldn't go). The guy behind me was talking to a Mets employee. I took the opportunity to ask him about the bullpen situation. He told me that MLB made them remove the Lincoln ad. The Xerox ad did not block the view of the visiting teams bullpen. Therefore, it was staying.

He also told me that the "tarps" over the bullpen were installed because fans were throwing/dropping things into the Mets bullpen. They would probably be replaced by a mesh covering that is more eye appealling. Honestly, this is ridiculous. There are so many bullpens with direct fan access. They should have security there doing a better job.

[Mongoose]

A 15 year old article proves nothing other than you have nothing but your incorrect opinion.

If I pull a 50 year old article about O'Malley wanting to build a new stadium at Flatbush & Atlantic, will that prove that he is behind the Nets arena?

Show me an article where it says that Sterling Equities is developing Willets Point and you will be correct. When the city solicited bids, Vornado, Related, Forest City, etc were involved. Not Wilpon.

Your analogy sucks. Coupon was the initiator of the project (as documented in the public record) and continues to be the 800 pound gorilla standing astride Willets Point.

Coupon happens to have a long term lease on a giant shopping mall there (which has a baseball diamond in the center of it, in case anyone feels like watching baseball instead of spending money at the restaurants and stores). Coupon would like to turn that lease into a 365 day a year moneymaker instead of an 81 day a year moneymaker.

To say the long term lessee of an $850,000,000.00 mall has no interest in having the City spend more public money on increasing the value of his lease is either naive or dishonest.

[ribant]

snipped for brevity

NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: WILLETS POINT Enough Yankees Already. The Mets Have Their Own Plans

By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: July 24, 1994

Even as the Yankees' future in the South Bronx becomes more and more uncertain, the Mets are making sweeping plans that could profoundly alter the face of Queens.

Fred Wilpon, a co-owner of the team, said that if all goes according to his plans, the Mets will be playing in a new domed stadium just east of Shea within four years. The old Shea Stadium will be torn down and replaced by a giant parking garage. Around it, Mr. Wilpon said, there will be an entertainment center with a permanent, high-tech "world's fair."
The plans were announced last year, but within the next two weeks, the Mets are to give the city a report detailing projected costs and financing of the stadium, and the city will begin the process of relocating small businesses in the area of growth...

Coupon's been churning the cauldron on this brew for the past 15 years.

It's a matter of public record!

If Robert Moses were alive today it would have been done already.

(I'm not sure why I needed to add that)

[Captain Cold Nose]

Your analogy sucks. Coupon was the initiator of the project (as documented in the public record) and continues to be the 800 pound gorilla standing astride Willets Point.

Coupon happens to have a long term lease on a giant shopping mall there (which has a baseball diamond in the center of it, in case anyone feels like watching baseball instead of spending money at the restaurants and stores). Coupon would like to turn that lease into a 365 day a year moneymaker instead of an 81 day a year moneymaker.

To say the long term lessee of an $850,000,000.00 mall has no interest in having the City spend more public money on increasing the value of his lease is either naive or dishonest.

Bring it home to baseball, Mongoose. Your animosity toward the Mets owner has zero to do with baseball.

[mandrake]

I posted Ken Davidoff's column the other day where he said MLB had no problem with the Xerox sign, that it wasn't blocking the visitor's views.

While you are over in the YS thread, accusing those fans of waving the pom-poms (were you in the movie "Bring it on" ?) I wanted to talk about a completed ballpark versus the ballpark in progress.

On many occasions, you have talked down to the great unwashed that our inferior intelligence can not understand that Citi Field is a work in progress. Hence, no Mets Museum, not much in the way of Mets Banners, etc.

Amazingly, our neighbors across town also built a ballpark. And even more amazing, it does not seem to be a work in progress. I can see the Steinbrenners barking out a list of things: "Babe Ruth Plaza?" and the employees saying "It will be done later". "Monument Park ?"....."Gee, Mr Steinbrenner , we are working on the bathrooms"........ "Yankees Museum?"... "C'mon boss, we are trying to finish this place for opening day"...."Alright, Yankees banners and pictures everywhere to show our fans that they are in YANKEE STADIUM?"....."Aw, Mr Steinbrenner, don't you understand that this place is a work in progress, and the pee-ons won't mind"

Also, the serfs can park in the RUPPERT garage.....hmmm, that is an owner of the Yankees before George. Ruppert could be considered a Yankees version of Payson. Yet do we have a mention of Payson anywhere.

Just keep shilling for the Wilpons. And let me know, after the long anticipated Subway Series lottery is completed , how many games the fans need to purchase for the Subway series pack.

[metfan61]

Last week I posted about the Xerox sign. I went to the day game versus the Marlins and sat in the 3rd row behind homeplate next to Mets dugout (not my tickets. Got them from a client who couldn't go). The guy behind me was talking to a Mets employee. I took the opportunity to ask him about the bullpen situation. He told me that MLB made them remove the Lincoln ad. The Xerox ad did not block the view of the visiting teams bullpen. Therefore, it was staying.

He also told me that the "tarps" over the bullpen were installed because fans were throwing/dropping things into the Mets bullpen. They would probably be replaced by a mesh covering that is more eye appealling. Honestly, this is ridiculous. There are so many bullpens with direct fan access. They should have security there doing a better job.

I'm not buying the fans throwing stuff crap, they could just have security in the area to stop it. The tarp looks too cheesy for something like that. It's probably PR damage control so they don't look foolish with the design.

As I've said before, I think it's the dark cave of the VBP that's the problem and the Mets had to cover theirs to not have an advantage.

I'll guarantee that their are major changes to the bullpens next year.

[CoreyNYC]

While you are over in the YS thread, accusing those fans of waving the pom-poms (were you in the movie "Bring it on" ?) I wanted to talk about a completed ballpark versus the ballpark in progress.

On many occasions, you have talked down to the great unwashed that our inferior intelligence can not understand that Citi Field is a work in progress. Hence, no Mets Museum, not much in the way of Mets Banners, etc.

Amazingly, our neighbors across town also built a ballpark. And even more amazing, it does not seem to be a work in progress. I can see the Steinbrenners barking out a list of things: "Babe Ruth Plaza?" and the employees saying "It will be done later". "Monument Park ?"....."Gee, Mr Steinbrenner , we are working on the bathrooms"........ "Yankees Museum?"... "C'mon boss, we are trying to finish this place for opening day"...."Alright, Yankees banners and pictures everywhere to show our fans that they are in YANKEE STADIUM?"....."Aw, Mr Steinbrenner, don't you understand that this place is a work in progress, and the pee-ons won't mind"

Also, the serfs can park in the RUPPERT garage.....hmmm, that is an owner of the Yankees before George. Ruppert could be considered a Yankees version of Payson. Yet do we have a mention of Payson anywhere.

Just keep shilling for the Wilpons. And let me know, after the long anticipated Subway Series lottery is completed , how many games the fans need to purchase for the Subway series pack.

LOL.

1. What does this have to do with the Ken Davidoff column????

2. If the Mets named a parking lot after someone, people would be up in arms complaining that it is not a fitting tribute to which ever person it was named after.

3 If you can't comprehend that things have been added to or fixed in Citi Field consistently since it has been opened, then there is something wrong with your intelligence. Things being added = work in progress...pretty simple stuff. It is not the first of the last building in the history of construction to be opened before it was complete.

4. The Yankees spent half a billion more on their stadium. Don't you think that at least some of that was spent of paying workers overtime to get things installed? Also, how do we know that everything in YS is complete?

5. There are 2 levels of Yankee Stadium completely devoid of any pictures of signs. How is the Stadium filled with them? How can you over look what is already outside of CF?

6. You have no idea about Coach Bombay, do you?

7. The Yankees, Phillies, and other teams package hot tickets in packs with other games. Its smart business...but Mets do it and its wrong!!!!

I love that I am a shill because I don't get emotional over nonsense.

[metfan13]

Bring it home to baseball, Mongoose. Your animosity toward the Mets owner has zero to do with baseball.

Thank you. The name calling is bothersome.

[CoreyNYC]

Your analogy sucks. Coupon was the initiator of the project (as documented in the public record) and continues to be the 800 pound gorilla standing astride Willets Point.

Coupon happens to have a long term lease on a giant shopping mall there (which has a baseball diamond in the center of it, in case anyone feels like watching baseball instead of spending money at the restaurants and stores). Coupon would like to turn that lease into a 365 day a year moneymaker instead of an 81 day a year moneymaker.

To say the long term lessee of an $850,000,000.00 mall has no interest in having the City spend more public money on increasing the value of his lease is either naive or dishonest.

My analogy is dead on. I have facts on my side, you have silly names (do you follow the Mets and have you checked the Mets payroll latelyor are you busy concocting conspiracies?) and 15 year old newspaper articles.

[mandrake]

My analogy is dead on. I have facts on my side, you have silly names (do you follow the Mets and have you checked the Mets payroll latelyor are you busy concocting conspiracies?) and 15 year old newspaper articles.

Yes, I just checked the Mets payroll. It does not mean the Mets are trying to win, it just point to Omar's incompetence.

Ollie's contract? Castillo's contract? The Mets are on the hook for Wagner. Sheffield's contract inflates the team payroll, but the Mets are not paying it.
Look at the line up and pitching staff we get with the second highest payroll? Somebody's head should roll !

If they had signed Man Ram and Lowe and had the second highest payroll, then yes, I would point to it as saying the Mets are trying to compete with Da Bronx. All their payroll says now is that Omar is a boob.

[CoreyNYC]

Yes, I just checked the Mets payroll. It does not mean the Mets are trying to win, it just point to Omar's incompetence.

Ollie's contract? Castillo's contract? The Mets are on the hook for Wagner. Sheffield's contract inflates the team payroll, but the Mets are not paying it.
Look at the line up and pitching staff we get with the second highest payroll? Somebody's head should roll !

If they had signed Man Ram and Lowe and had the second highest payroll, then yes, I would point to it as saying the Mets are trying to compete with Da Bronx. All their payroll says now is that Omar is a boob.

Kudos for avoiding the truth yet again.

What does any of what you wrote have to do with the fact that the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball?

Omar being a moron has nothing to do with the Wilpon's willingness to spend the 2nd most money in the game.

But yet Wilpon is cheap. Makes a lot of sense.

[Mongoose]

My analogy is dead on. I have facts on my side, you have silly names (do you follow the Mets and have you checked the Mets payroll latelyor are you busy concocting conspiracies?) and 15 year old newspaper articles.

I'd love to continue this debate, but the moderators have obviously decided that this whole topic deviates too far from baseball for inclusion in this forum. Out of respect for them and for this forum, I will bow to their wishes.

For the record, though, someone could post a series of authoritative links saying the world was round, but if it meant defending Wilpon, you'd continue to maintain the world was flat.

So be it...

[metfan61]

He may goof up every now and then but Fred Wilpon is not cheap :blah:

[metfan13]

I'd love to continue this debate, but the moderators have obviously decided that this whole topic deviates too far from baseball for inclusion in this forum. Out of respect for them and for this forum, I will bow to their wishes.

For the record, though, someone could post a series of authoritative links saying the world was round, but if it meant defending Wilpon, you'd continue to maintain the world was flat.

So be it...


Right after the one that says the sky is blue, but you'll go with green if it includes a shot at Wilpon and a cutsie name.

[mandrake]

He may goof up every now and then but Fred Wilpon is not cheap :blah:

I agree. I don't see where I said he was cheap ? But I think for the best of everyone on here, I am just not going to reply to the pom pom queen any longer. I don't believe in the IGNORE option myself, but I just give up.:ughh

[metfan61]

I believe Citi Field is still a work in progress also weather or not by design but over time I think they will get it right. Sometimes it works out better when a ballpark evolves rather then a static design. Time will tell.

[CoreyNYC]

I agree. I don't see where I said he was cheap ? But I think for the best of everyone on here, I am just not going to reply to the pom pom queen any longer. I don't believe in the IGNORE option myself, but I just give up.:ughh

Ahh. Name calling, the currency of those on the internet who have nothing else to turn to.

He illogically called Wilpon cheap, despite the #2 payroll in the sport. You jumped in the argument, because that's what you do, with an Omar rant. While I agree that Omar is an idiot, it doesn't change the facts about the Mets willingness to spend.

[metfan61]

Here's my latest idea for the left field field level seats. Make the wall closer, shorter and add rows of seats.

[SteveJRogers]

Do you really think that BBF gets that many visitors (especially one particular thread) and has that much influence that Wilpon would hire a lobbyist to sway opinion here and for a project he has nothing to do with? REALLY?

Well, look at the facts;

The poster ONLY discussed the Iron Triangle topics

The poster did the same exact thing on other message forums related to the Iron Triangle.

I'd say that was someone with an agenda and the need to spread his message across various forums.

[metfan61]

Ahh. Name calling, the currency of those on the internet who have nothing else to turn to.

He illogically called Wilpon cheap, despite the #2 payroll in the sport. You jumped in the argument, because that's what you do, with an Omar rant. While I agree that Omar is an idiot, it doesn't change the facts about the Mets willingness to spend.

I don't think Omar's an idiot although Perez three years @ $36 mil was a bad move. For the most part he's done a pretty good job with talent but he has to work on the team chemistry.

[met_dream]

I posted Ken Davidoff's column the other day where he said MLB had no problem with the Xerox sign, that it wasn't blocking the visitor's views.

It looks like crap there. It could easily be placed between the 408 and geico sign in center and all would be well. The lack of common sense regarding ad placement and design in this sparkling new ballpark mystifies me.

[CoreyNYC]

Well, look at the facts;

The poster ONLY discussed the Iron Triangle topics

The poster did the same exact thing on other message forums related to the Iron Triangle.

I'd say that was someone with an agenda and the need to spread his message across various forums.

Maybe he did have an agenda but Wilpon has nothing to do with the project other than it is across the street. More importantly, this project is in the hands of forces much large than those that can be swayed by some postings on websites

[pacman925]

A quick search of garys pictures and amazingly i found these:




GARY REALLY DOES HAVE A PICTURE OF EVERYTHING LOL

I was at that game. It was a 7pm start time, and was rained out without even starting after we sat there until about 9pm. I had a great time with my daughter though, and she loves the replica stadium!

[ribant]

Well, look at the facts;

The poster ONLY discussed the Iron Triangle topics

The poster did the same exact thing on other message forums related to the Iron Triangle.

I'd say that was someone with an agenda and the need to spread his message across various forums.

The guy clearly had/had an agenda, but you can't prove was a shill for Wilpon. Other investors have a stake in the Iron Triangle development too. For all we know he may own one of the shops, feels baseball Disney is the best way to cash out, but is afraid to voice his opinion publicly.

[CoreyNYC]

I don't think Omar's an idiot although Perez three years @ $36 mil was a bad move. For the most part he's done a pretty good job with talent but he has to work on the team chemistry.

He's done a good job at throwing around Wilpon's money to free agents. His trade record is suspect and he has destroyed the minor league system.

[ribant]

I don't think Omar's an idiot although Perez three years @ $36 mil was a bad move. For the most part he's done a pretty good job with talent but he has to work on the team chemistry.

Omar started great this offseason. He got K-Rod cheap, the trade with Seattle was great and even though Green has pretty much been a disaster so far.

But signing Perez over Lowe would have been bad even if Ollie was just being Ollie. And for the life of me I don't see why they want to give Sheffield the time of day.

[metfan61]

He's done a good job at throwing around Wilpon's money to free agents. His trade record is suspect and he has destroyed the minor league system.

He's no different then Cashman, the big money teams go after the big money free agents.

How did he destroy the farm system? I'm not too familiar with the minor leagues.

[metfan61]

Omar started great this offseason. He got K-Rod cheap, the trade with Seattle was great and even though Green has pretty much been a disaster so far.

But signing Perez over Lowe would have been bad even if Ollie was just being Ollie. And for the life of me I don't see why they want to give Sheffield the time of day.

I don't think Lowe is worth $60 mil for four years.

[ribant]

He's done a good job at throwing around Wilpon's money to free agents. His trade record is suspect and he has destroyed the minor league system.

He has got a point here. The Bisons have won two of the last three, upping thier record to 4-18.

Go to the website to see how bad the team is, there is no help coming from the farm this year.

http://buffalo.bisons.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t422

[ribant]

He's no different then Cashman, the big money teams go after the big money free agents.

How did he destroy the farm system? I'm not too familiar with the minor leagues.

Buffalo is a disaster

http://buffalo.bisons.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t422

[ribant]

I don't think Lowe is worth $60 mil for four years.

Ollie is worth $36 mil for three years?

[Shbmets]

I'm not buying the fans throwing stuff crap, they could just have security in the area to stop it. The tarp looks too cheesy for something like that. It's probably PR damage control so they don't look foolish with the design.

As I've said before, I think it's the dark cave of the VBP that's the problem and the Mets had to cover theirs to not have an advantage.

I'll guarantee that their are major changes to the bullpens next year.

I agree with you on all points. I didn't feel like debating the issue with the guy. To me it seems completely ridiculous.

[CoreyNYC]

He's no different then Cashman, the big money teams go after the big money free agents.

How did he destroy the farm system? I'm not too familiar with the minor leagues.

He traded away chips but hasn't rebuilt. He let Jesus Flores go for nothing

AAA Buffalo is 4-18 and there are very few pitchers in the system who have a chance of panning out in the near future.

AA Binghamton isn't swimming with talent either.

[metfan61]

Ollie is worth $36 mil for three years?

No, i wouldn't have signed that deal either.

[metfan61]

He traded away chips but hasn't rebuilt. He let Jesus Flores go for nothing

AAA Buffalo is 4-18 and there are very few pitchers in the system who have a chance of panning out in the near future.

AA Binghamton isn't swimming with talent either.

Oh boy! :eek:

[SteveJRogers]

Maybe he did have an agenda but Wilpon has nothing to do with the project other than it is across the street. More importantly, this project is in the hands of forces much large than those that can be swayed by some postings on websites

The Wilpon name isn't on the project itself, but don't kid yourself about the Wilpons having a "if it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't." attitude towards it.

They cut their relations with the Iron Triangle shops shortly after the Citi Field plans were put into motion, Fred wanted them gone from day one.

And you may be right about forces larger than can be swayed on some postings on websites, but you do know that websites are a great tool to get your message out there, and to be seen by many.

Do you really think ONLY the people who read this message board are the people who POST on the message board? No, it is read by many people who don't post, or aren't members, and if someone has a bullhorn and saying "Met fans should show up in force at such and such time, at such and such place" and they agree with the message, then they may be swayed in supporting the cause.

Hell, I told biggie's main antagonist in that thread that if he strongly believed that Shea should have been rebuilt and Citi Field knocked down, he should have gone on other sites, called radio stations, scheduled rallies and such. And how would he get attendees at said rallies? By talking them up on message boards.

[dpcv8]

He traded away chips but hasn't rebuilt. He let Jesus Flores go for nothing

AAA Buffalo is 4-18 and there are very few pitchers in the system who have a chance of panning out in the near future.

AA Binghamton isn't swimming with talent either.

You honestly think the win-loss record of minor league teams is indicative of ANYTHING regarding the talent level of the farm system as a whole?

[CoreyNYC]

It is not the be all and end all but it is indicative of the lack of talent at the AAA level (which I realize is more an more of a dumping ground for has beens and never weres). There is something to be be said about the record when it is far worse than everyone else's in the Intl League.

BTW, New orleans was 9 below .500 last season

Contrast that with Binghampton, their .500 record puts them in 3rd place, 3 games out of first and only 1.5 out of last in a 6 team division. Those teams are all grouped together.

If my memory serves, the Mets system is ranked 17th by Baseball America. We were told that Minaya's connections in Latin America would work to the Mets favor in building up their system. Where are the prospects?

[CoreyNYC]

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[robardin]

Omar has overall done a pretty good job in my opinion. But any team that fails spectacularly deserves scrutiny. And the kind of scrutiny that tends to have a lot of selection bias (taking good calls for granted and focusing on the bad ones).

Giving Ollie a 3-year deal over a 4-year deal for Lowe looks bad now, let's revisit at the end of NEXT year. If Ollie pulls a Trachsel or Brett Myers this year and reverts to up-and-down Ollie, while Lowe looks done with TWO years left, this becomes at least a wash, with one less year. And no other free agent pitcher was really an option.

Free agent wise he stayed away from overpaying for Barry Zito, which the tabloids were screaming was a must-acquire for the Mets in the off-season. He definitely overpaid for Pedro Martinez, but at the time it was a shot in the arm to the fan base and to attracting other free agents. Beltran and Delgado carried the team in 2006 and have continued to be bedrock players: despite Delgado's Willie-killing swoon to begin 2008, he was a very serious MVP candidate by year's end.

As for "dealing away the farm", well let's see. The Mets last seriously raided the farm to acquire Santana. Who was given up? Carlos Gomez, Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. In Gomez' first full major league season he's been not very impressive, showing good speed and defense but a miserable sub-.300 OBP with little power. He's young and can improve, but he could well end up being a defensive replacement/pinch runner type of guy, like Jason Tyner.

Phil Humber (the oldest of the remaining bunch) has been shelled and was recently designated for assignment. The other two haven't made it up yet.

Omar was lauded, and rightly so, for keeping on to the team's top prospects in Pelfrey and Fernando Martinez in landing Santana. Pelfrey still has a good chance to be at least a solid middle- to back-end of the rotation guy. F-Mart, well, who knows, he's still only 21 and is still the top prospect.

For that deal, and for NOT signing Zito at all costs, he gets a LOT of credit in my book against judgment calls like re-signing Ollie over Lowe in a 3- vs. 4-year deal of suspect pitchers (one for consistency, the other for age and "what's he gonna have left in the tank after 2 years"). If Lowe turned out to be like Pedro Martinez but with a much less high ceiling, what's the point? And if it wasn't going to be one of those two, who was it going to be?

He put too much stock in having Duaner Sanchez and Aaron Heilman "bounce back" to 2006 form, but that's partly natural considering both had history and standing contracts with the team. Don't forget that they also saw very heavy use for relievers, as hated as Heilman was by the end of his stint, he is still the all-time Mets leader in career Holds for the team (by a fair margin).

You're raking Omar for letting Jesus Flores go? Seriously? He's basically a younger version of Schneider, unless his glove turns to gold. I'd take the platoon of Castro and Santos over Flores, and Santos in particular seems to be getting a lot of love from the front office right now (at least from the manager's chair). I wonder what happens when Schneider comes off the DL?

Oh, talking about Schneider reminds of another big "PLUS" in Omar's ledger: trading Milledge and Lo Duca for Schneider and Ryan Church. Church is already more valuable and liked by fans than Milledge, and Schneider is a serviceable catcher while Lo Duca has fallen off a cliff as well as gotten entangled in steroids and off-field scandals.

His trade for JJ Putz was outstanding as well. Give him credit for that. We lost Endy Chavez and Aaron Heilman, and got back Putz, Sean Green and Jeremy Reed. Green has looked good and also looked very bad, Putz is a great pickup, and Reed may not ever be as loved for his glove as Endy was in Flushing, but he's a good defensive OF and swings a better bat than Endy did. And by now, losing Heilman was addition by subtraction for all involved.

Trades that hurt in retrospect would include seeing Heath Bell dialing it up for the Padres out of the bullpen. But he didn't exactly look good as a Met, you know. Wherever he found his new arm, it's not like the Mets didn't have a good long look at him in the bigs before letting him go (and to very little fan outcry).

The real problem is that the farm is barren. I don't think the GM is properly held accountable for the depth of the farm, is he? , Also, the two farm jewels of the past 5 years (Reyes and Wright) are struggling now. Their struggles may or may not be temporary but it was definitely the right thing to do to lock them up early to long-term deals (especially after 2005) before they were arbitration eligible.

Giving Sheffield a shot in the OF is a head scratcher too, but at league minimum it could work out. Look at Tatis: he went from a "you cannot be serious" mid-season signing of a castoff player, to getting "Superman" played when he came to the plate in September and winning the Comeback Player Of The Year award. Another win for Omar!

The clearest mistake he's made in my opinion was in giving Castillo a 4-year deal even before he had such a lousy year last year. I'm still scratching my head on that one. But all told, he's really not done badly at all as a GM in terms of assembling talent.

Getting the most of that talent -- working the chemistry, providing leadership, instilling "grit" and toughness and a never say die attitude -- is on the manager, not the GM.

[Coach Bombay]

It is not the be all and end all but it is indicative of the lack of talent at the AAA level (which I realize is more an more of a dumping ground for has beens and never weres). There is something to be be said about the record when it is far worse than everyone else's in the Intl League.

BTW, New orleans was 9 below .500 last season

Contrast that with Binghampton, their .500 record puts them in 3rd place, 3 games out of first and only 1.5 out of last in a 6 team division. Those teams are all grouped together.

If my memory serves, the Mets system is ranked 17th by Baseball America. We were told that Minaya's connections in Latin America would work to the Mets favor in building up their system. Where are the prospects?

Fernando Martinez and Wilmer Flores ... that's about it

[KoosFan]

Its been a few days since I've checked this thread and after pages and pages of reading,
I see that it's been hijacked by every subject other than Citi Field specifically.

Does the definition of this thread now include EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AT...?

[mistermet]

He traded away chips but hasn't rebuilt. He let Jesus Flores go for nothing

AAA Buffalo is 4-18 and there are very few pitchers in the system who have a chance of panning out in the near future.

AA Binghamton isn't swimming with talent either.

you can't really say that...the guys he's given up haven't really turned into anything. Phil Humber? Mulvey? Gomez? they are just parts, honestly (Gomez being the best and not all that great). the Mets AAA team stinks record wise, but you have to remember its filled with fringe AAAA type players. they have some good 'spects mixed in with F-Mart (still just 20 and hitting well so far), Niese, Dillon Gee, Kunz and Evans. Binghamton is kind of barron other than Ruben Tejada who they've rushed like crazy, but when you get to St. Lucie and Savannah, that is where the talent is...guys like Wilmer Flores, Jefry Marte, Reese Havens, Brad Holt, Jenrry Mejia, Francisco Pena, Ike Davis. i really think omar's done a great job with the farm considering it was barron when he got here (he's already produced MLers in Dan Murphy and Joe Smith from his drafts). its just his ML management that can be suspect at times. you have to give it time...by next year, a lot of these guys will hit AA and then Omar is going to look like a scouting genius. there are a lot of interesting prospects in this system.

[mandrake]

Its been a few days since I've checked this thread and after pages and pages of reading,
I see that it's been hijacked by every subject other than Citi Field specifically.

Does the definition of this thread now include EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AT...?

Unless something new and improved happens at Citi Field every day, how many times can folks say the same thing? By its nature, the thread has a very limited scope.

Now, maybe we can start a drive to have a "Jerry Koosman Day" at Citi Field. That could keep us busy.

[metfan13]

Well, look at the facts;

The poster ONLY discussed the Iron Triangle topics

The poster did the same exact thing on other message forums related to the Iron Triangle.

I'd say that was someone with an agenda and the need to spread his message across various forums.

As did the other guy who was a one topic anti-Wilpon poster. Only posted on one or two threads and only posted anti-Wilpon. Over and over.

[ribant]

Omar has overall done a pretty good job in my opinion. But any team that fails spectacularly deserves scrutiny. And the kind of scrutiny that tends to have a lot of selection bias (taking good calls for granted and focusing on the bad ones).

Giving Ollie a 3-year deal over a 4-year deal for Lowe looks bad now, let's revisit at the end of NEXT year. If Ollie pulls a Trachsel or Brett Myers this year and reverts to up-and-down Ollie, while Lowe looks done with TWO years left, this becomes at least a wash, with one less year. And no other free agent pitcher was really an option.

(snipped because I pretty much agree with everything you said)

Getting the most of that talent -- working the chemistry, providing leadership, instilling "grit" and toughness and a never say die attitude -- is on the manager, not the GM.


My problem with the Ollie signing is from before the meltdown.

Ollie just is (was) not a good pitcher compared to Lowe. I pulled the the stats pages from both out of baseball reference and cut it down to just the ratios for comparisons sake. In almost every category, in every year Lowe out performs Perez.

Plus lots of contrlo pitchers pitch in MLB until they are 40

Oliver Perez
Year Tm ERA G GS GF CG SHO IP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2002 SDP 3.5 16 15 0 0 0 90 107 1.322 7.1 1.3 4.8 9.4 1.96
2003 TOT 5.47 24 24 0 0 0 126.2 73 1.626 9.2 1.6 5.5 10 1.83
2003 SDP 5.38 19 19 0 0 0 103.2 73 1.621 8.9 1.7 5.6 10.2 1.8
2003 PIT 5.87 5 5 0 0 0 23 74 1.652 10.2 0.8 4.7 9.4 2
2004 PIT 2.98 30 30 0 2 1 196 145 1.153 6.7 1 3.7 11 2.95
2005 PIT 5.85 20 20 0 0 0 103 72 1.67 8.9 2 6.1 8.5 1.39
2006 TOT 6.55 22 22 0 1 1 112.2 67 1.749 10.3 1.6 5.4 8.1 1.5
2007 NYM 3.56 29 29 0 0 0 177 120 1.311 7.8 1.1 4 8.8 2.2
2008 NYM 4.22 34 34 0 0 0 194 100 1.402 7.7 1.1 4.9 8.4 1.71
2009 NYM 9.97 5 5 0 0 0 21.2 43 2.262 11.6 1.2 8.7 8.3 0.95

Derek Lowe
Year Tm ERA G GS GF CG SHO IP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2002 BOS 2.58 32 32 0 1 1 219.2 177 0.974 6.8 0.5 2 5.2 2.65
2003 BOS 4.47 33 33 0 1 0 203.1 104 1.416 9.6 0.8 3.2 4.9 1.53
2004 BOS 5.42 33 33 0 0 0 182.2 90 1.615 11 0.7 3.5 5.2 1.48
2005 LAD 3.61 35 35 0 2 2 222 114 1.252 9 1.1 2.2 5.9 2.65
2006 LAD 3.63 35 34 1 1 0 218 124 1.266 9.1 0.6 2.3 5.1 2.24
2007 LAD 3.88 33 32 0 3 0 199.1 118 1.269 8.8 0.9 2.7 6.6 2.49
2008 LAD 3.24 34 34 0 1 0 211 131 1.133 8.3 0.6 1.9 6.3 3.27
2009 ATL 3.03 6 6 0 0 0 35.2 141 1.29 8.1 0.3 3.5 7.1 2

[ribant]

you can't really say that...the guys he's given up haven't really turned into anything. Phil Humber? Mulvey? Gomez? they are just parts, honestly (Gomez being the best and not all that great). the Mets AAA team stinks record wise, but you have to remember its filled with fringe AAAA type players. they have some good 'spects mixed in with F-Mart (still just 20 and hitting well so far), Niese, Dillon Gee, Kunz and Evans. Binghamton is kind of barron other than Ruben Tejada who they've rushed like crazy, but when you get to St. Lucie and Savannah, that is where the talent is...guys like Wilmer Flores, Jefry Marte, Reese Havens, Brad Holt, Jenrry Mejia, Francisco Pena, Ike Davis. i really think omar's done a great job with the farm considering it was barron when he got here (he's already produced MLers in Dan Murphy and Joe Smith from his drafts). its just his ML management that can be suspect at times. you have to give it time...by next year, a lot of these guys will hit AA and then Omar is going to look like a scouting genius. there are a lot of interesting prospects in this system.

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[ribant]

you can't really say that...the guys he's given up haven't really turned into anything. Phil Humber? Mulvey? Gomez? they are just parts, honestly (Gomez being the best and not all that great). the Mets AAA team stinks record wise, but you have to remember its filled with fringe AAAA type players. they have some good 'spects mixed in with F-Mart (still just 20 and hitting well so far), Niese, Dillon Gee, Kunz and Evans. Binghamton is kind of barron other than Ruben Tejada who they've rushed like crazy, but when you get to St. Lucie and Savannah, that is where the talent is...guys like Wilmer Flores, Jefry Marte, Reese Havens, Brad Holt, Jenrry Mejia, Francisco Pena, Ike Davis. i really think omar's done a great job with the farm considering it was barron when he got here (he's already produced MLers in Dan Murphy and Joe Smith from his drafts). its just his ML management that can be suspect at times. you have to give it time...by next year, a lot of these guys will hit AA and then Omar is going to look like a scouting genius. there are a lot of interesting prospects in this system.
I'm not sure I agree with your assesment.

The top three prospects (Gee, Niese, FMart) are playing at league average or worse.

The MLB vets on the pitching staff ( Knight, Muniz, Figueroa,Switzer, Robertson) are lifetime AAAA players and have never performed well when called up in emergencies.

Redding is injured, no room on the roster for Kielty, Kunz, or Evans with Sheffield taking up space. Argenis Reyes is good, but not a MLB player.

I agree W-L is not the whole story for a minor league team over a full season, but this team has been pretty much intact so far. And the best they can do is 4-18.

[Reyes07HOF]

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[JeremyEye]

So I basically lived at Citi this weekend...

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/sports/mlb/mets/090504_Web_Extra_Mets_Fans_Audition_to_Sing_Nation al_Anthem


Check the videos, haha.

Let me say, after spending about 14 hours straight there, I have realized it's a great looking place, with a lot going on outside. The security overnight was great, and lots of fun. Unforuntately, I didn't make the final cut, but it was fun nonetheless.

[robardin]

My problem with the Ollie signing is from before the meltdown.

Ollie just is (was) not a good pitcher compared to Lowe. [stats] In almost every category, in every year Lowe out performs Perez.

Plus lots of contrlo pitchers pitch in MLB until they are 40

I don't disagree with that. I think the Mets should have given Lowe the 4th year and simply hoped that either he turned out to be like Jamie Moyer (or Livan Hernandez, who the Mets have ended up relying on as well) towards the end of that stretch. In fact it might even have made sense to give him a FRONT loaded 4-year deal, instead of the usual back-ended one, so if they ended up cutting him in the 4th year it wouldn't hurt so much.

But gambling on Ollie being an average of what he was like from 2006-2008 for the Mets to save a fourth year, while not something I agreed with, wasn't a TOTALLY ridiculous move. It's just something that is easy to say Didn't Work Out So Far, and yet is also something that has a lot of time left to play out before we can really make the call (see: Brett Myers, Steve Trachsel from the past few years alone).

Same thing with giving Sheffield extended playing time in the OF when Murphy's already out there literally falling down to catch the ball. You say it's a gamble, and we all know it is, but the Tatis Gambit paid off handsomely last year (there's no way the Mets would still have been playing "Meaningful Games" in the last week of last September without his resurgence), can you blame Omar for going back to the well?

My point is that yes, Omar has made mistakes, but for the most part they were calculated gambles that didn't work rather than out-and-out boners (the Luis Castillo contract is the standout move in that category). And they are more than offset in my ledger by his excellent moves in dealing for Church while losing Milledge (a plus for a minus in the outfield); dealing for Putz while losing Heilman (another plus for a minus) while replacing Endy with Jeremy Reed at the SAME TIME (avoiding creating a weakness on the bench from an area of strength); NOT bowing to pressure to give Barry Zito a big contract; and most of all, dealing for JOHAN SANTANA for what is shaping up to be a bench outfielder, a washout pitcher and two yet-to-make-the-majors players while keeping Pelfrey and F-Mart with the club.

If Ollie were to end up flat with or better than last year (or if something happened with Lowe like something happened with Zito), Castillo were to continue his early season turnaround this year (.412 OBP and slugging over .400 while playing a good 2B) and the Putz-KRod tandem continues to be as dominating as it has been so far... I'd say Omar's a freakin' MAGICIAN (if not also a rapist)! And if Ollie's the only big minus, he's still way ahead in my book!

[Mongoose]

As did the other guy who was a one topic anti-Wilpon poster. Only posted on one or two threads and only posted anti-Wilpon. Over and over.


What other guy is that?

[metfan13]

What other guy is that?

If you read the Iron Triangle thread you know who I mean.

[mistermet]

I'm not sure I agree with your assesment.

The top three prospects (Gee, Niese, FMart) are playing at league average or worse.

The MLB vets on the pitching staff ( Knight, Muniz, Figueroa,Switzer, Robertson) are lifetime AAAA players and have never performed well when called up in emergencies.

Redding is injured, no room on the roster for Kielty, Kunz, or Evans with Sheffield taking up space. Argenis Reyes is good, but not a MLB player.

I agree W-L is not the whole story for a minor league team over a full season, but this team has been pretty much intact so far. And the best they can do is 4-18.

my whole point was sort of that there is not a lot of talent at the upper levels (AA and AAA, save for a few guys), but the A ball teams have a lot of talent. maybe they're not stacked, but there is a wide range of very talented kids who could be knocking on the major league door in 2-3 years or less, if they all stay healthy. guys like Holt, Havens, Davis should be up here very soon and so far are tearing up their leagues (Holt's ERA is high, but he's K'ing people at a high rate which is a good sign). i don't think it's correct to say that Omar's completely torn apart the farm, because he hasn't...in fact, he's built it up with some very good young prospects who for whatever reason seem to be very underrated. it just seems like he tore apart the farm because he dealt the junk that was in there when he got here (Milledge, Gomez, Humber, etc).

[ribant]

my whole point was sort of that there is not a lot of talent at the upper levels (AA and AAA, save for a few guys), but the A ball teams have a lot of talent. maybe they're not stacked, but there is a wide range of very talented kids who could be knocking on the major league door in 2-3 years or less, if they all stay healthy. guys like Holt, Havens, Davis should be up here very soon and so far are tearing up their leagues (Holt's ERA is high, but he's K'ing people at a high rate which is a good sign). i don't think it's correct to say that Omar's completely torn apart the farm, because he hasn't...in fact, he's built it up with some very good young prospects who for whatever reason seem to be very underrated. it just seems like he tore apart the farm because he dealt the junk that was in there when he got here (Milledge, Gomez, Humber, etc).

Actually I meant to answer a different post

I didn't say Omar tore up the farm. I saw a bunch of those guys play for the Cyclones last year.

I was saying we don't have much to fall back on if the front line guys get injured, or don't perform.

[BMF]

My problem with the Ollie signing is from before the meltdown.

Ollie just is (was) not a good pitcher compared to Lowe. I pulled the the stats pages from both out of baseball reference and cut it down to just the ratios for comparisons sake. In almost every category, in every year Lowe out performs Perez.

Plus lots of contrlo pitchers pitch in MLB until they are 40

Oliver Perez
Year Tm ERA G GS GF CG SHO IP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2002 SDP 3.5 16 15 0 0 0 90 107 1.322 7.1 1.3 4.8 9.4 1.96
2003 TOT 5.47 24 24 0 0 0 126.2 73 1.626 9.2 1.6 5.5 10 1.83
2003 SDP 5.38 19 19 0 0 0 103.2 73 1.621 8.9 1.7 5.6 10.2 1.8
2003 PIT 5.87 5 5 0 0 0 23 74 1.652 10.2 0.8 4.7 9.4 2
2004 PIT 2.98 30 30 0 2 1 196 145 1.153 6.7 1 3.7 11 2.95
2005 PIT 5.85 20 20 0 0 0 103 72 1.67 8.9 2 6.1 8.5 1.39
2006 TOT 6.55 22 22 0 1 1 112.2 67 1.749 10.3 1.6 5.4 8.1 1.5
2007 NYM 3.56 29 29 0 0 0 177 120 1.311 7.8 1.1 4 8.8 2.2
2008 NYM 4.22 34 34 0 0 0 194 100 1.402 7.7 1.1 4.9 8.4 1.71
2009 NYM 9.97 5 5 0 0 0 21.2 43 2.262 11.6 1.2 8.7 8.3 0.95

Derek Lowe
Year Tm ERA G GS GF CG SHO IP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2002 BOS 2.58 32 32 0 1 1 219.2 177 0.974 6.8 0.5 2 5.2 2.65
2003 BOS 4.47 33 33 0 1 0 203.1 104 1.416 9.6 0.8 3.2 4.9 1.53
2004 BOS 5.42 33 33 0 0 0 182.2 90 1.615 11 0.7 3.5 5.2 1.48
2005 LAD 3.61 35 35 0 2 2 222 114 1.252 9 1.1 2.2 5.9 2.65
2006 LAD 3.63 35 34 1 1 0 218 124 1.266 9.1 0.6 2.3 5.1 2.24
2007 LAD 3.88 33 32 0 3 0 199.1 118 1.269 8.8 0.9 2.7 6.6 2.49
2008 LAD 3.24 34 34 0 1 0 211 131 1.133 8.3 0.6 1.9 6.3 3.27
2009 ATL 3.03 6 6 0 0 0 35.2 141 1.29 8.1 0.3 3.5 7.1 2


I knew this deal would backfire. look whos laffin now. Derek lowe. flashes of brilliance is never better than proven winner. lesson learned Omar.

[metfan61]

Hey, guess what everyone, I started a new thread called Mets Baseball Team/Player/Management Discussions. Lets use that for all non Citi Field discussions!!! :thumbsup::thumbsdown::rant:

[metsforever7515]

Hey, guess what everyone, I started a new thread called Mets Baseball Team/Player/Management Discussions. Lets use that for all non Citi Field discussions!!! :thumbsup::thumbsdown::rant:

It's just convenient here. Everyone from the whole offseason and Citi Field Construction and Shea Demo threads are here.

[metfan61]

It's just convenient here. Everyone from the whole offseason and Citi Field Construction and Shea Demo threads are here.

I hear you, but sometimes it just gets out of hand. I think we're losing posters because of all the team related arguing. I like to make a few points myself but it tends to go on and on and on. :faint:

[BMF]

I hear you, but sometimes it just gets out of hand. I think we're losing posters because of all the team related arguing. I like to make a few points myself but it tends to go on and on and on. :faint:

hes got a point. remember we tried to do that before but there are a lot of people who dont get it. I myself dont post much anymore because of that same reason.

[thrill5one6]

hes got a point. remember we tried to do that before but there are a lot of people who dont get it. I myself dont post much anymore because of that same reason.

:thumbsup:

[CFmets09]

agreed, I haven't been posting much lately either

[Dishy24]

It's just convenient here. Everyone from the whole offseason and Citi Field Construction and Shea Demo threads are here.

I agree-- It's a pain to have to keep up & checking in on 3 different threads!!

[alpineinc]

hes got a point. remember we tried to do that before but there are a lot of people who dont get it. I myself dont post much anymore because of that same reason.

:thumbsup:+1

[BMF]

is anyone going to tomorrows game wanna meet up.

[Dishy24]

is anyone going to tomorrows game wanna meet up.

I am... I know Dan is, Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan, Shea1012, who else?

Prom Club (or my section 416 @ 6:45 work?) -- You have to make it easy for me!!

[metsforever7515]

I am... I know Dan is, Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan, Shea1012, who else?

Prom Club (or my section 416 @ 6:45 work?) -- You have to make it easy for me!!

I'll be at the game. :waving

[vertigone]

Omar has overall done a pretty good job in my opinion. But any team that fails spectacularly deserves scrutiny. And the kind of scrutiny that tends to have a lot of selection bias (taking good calls for granted and focusing on the bad ones).

Giving Ollie a 3-year deal over a 4-year deal for Lowe looks bad now, let's revisit at the end of NEXT year. If Ollie pulls a Trachsel or Brett Myers this year and reverts to up-and-down Ollie, while Lowe looks done with TWO years left, this becomes at least a wash, with one less year. And no other free agent pitcher was really an option.

Free agent wise he stayed away from overpaying for Barry Zito, which the tabloids were screaming was a must-acquire for the Mets in the off-season. He definitely overpaid for Pedro Martinez, but at the time it was a shot in the arm to the fan base and to attracting other free agents. Beltran and Delgado carried the team in 2006 and have continued to be bedrock players: despite Delgado's Willie-killing swoon to begin 2008, he was a very serious MVP candidate by year's end.

As for "dealing away the farm", well let's see. The Mets last seriously raided the farm to acquire Santana. Who was given up? Carlos Gomez, Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. In Gomez' first full major league season he's been not very impressive, showing good speed and defense but a miserable sub-.300 OBP with little power. He's young and can improve, but he could well end up being a defensive replacement/pinch runner type of guy, like Jason Tyner.

Phil Humber (the oldest of the remaining bunch) has been shelled and was recently designated for assignment. The other two haven't made it up yet.

Omar was lauded, and rightly so, for keeping on to the team's top prospects in Pelfrey and Fernando Martinez in landing Santana. Pelfrey still has a good chance to be at least a solid middle- to back-end of the rotation guy. F-Mart, well, who knows, he's still only 21 and is still the top prospect.

For that deal, and for NOT signing Zito at all costs, he gets a LOT of credit in my book against judgment calls like re-signing Ollie over Lowe in a 3- vs. 4-year deal of suspect pitchers (one for consistency, the other for age and "what's he gonna have left in the tank after 2 years"). If Lowe turned out to be like Pedro Martinez but with a much less high ceiling, what's the point? And if it wasn't going to be one of those two, who was it going to be?

He put too much stock in having Duaner Sanchez and Aaron Heilman "bounce back" to 2006 form, but that's partly natural considering both had history and standing contracts with the team. Don't forget that they also saw very heavy use for relievers, as hated as Heilman was by the end of his stint, he is still the all-time Mets leader in career Holds for the team (by a fair margin).

You're raking Omar for letting Jesus Flores go? Seriously? He's basically a younger version of Schneider, unless his glove turns to gold. I'd take the platoon of Castro and Santos over Flores, and Santos in particular seems to be getting a lot of love from the front office right now (at least from the manager's chair). I wonder what happens when Schneider comes off the DL?

Oh, talking about Schneider reminds of another big "PLUS" in Omar's ledger: trading Milledge and Lo Duca for Schneider and Ryan Church. Church is already more valuable and liked by fans than Milledge, and Schneider is a serviceable catcher while Lo Duca has fallen off a cliff as well as gotten entangled in steroids and off-field scandals.

His trade for JJ Putz was outstanding as well. Give him credit for that. We lost Endy Chavez and Aaron Heilman, and got back Putz, Sean Green and Jeremy Reed. Green has looked good and also looked very bad, Putz is a great pickup, and Reed may not ever be as loved for his glove as Endy was in Flushing, but he's a good defensive OF and swings a better bat than Endy did. And by now, losing Heilman was addition by subtraction for all involved.

Trades that hurt in retrospect would include seeing Heath Bell dialing it up for the Padres out of the bullpen. But he didn't exactly look good as a Met, you know. Wherever he found his new arm, it's not like the Mets didn't have a good long look at him in the bigs before letting him go (and to very little fan outcry).

The real problem is that the farm is barren. I don't think the GM is properly held accountable for the depth of the farm, is he? , Also, the two farm jewels of the past 5 years (Reyes and Wright) are struggling now. Their struggles may or may not be temporary but it was definitely the right thing to do to lock them up early to long-term deals (especially after 2005) before they were arbitration eligible.

Giving Sheffield a shot in the OF is a head scratcher too, but at league minimum it could work out. Look at Tatis: he went from a "you cannot be serious" mid-season signing of a castoff player, to getting "Superman" played when he came to the plate in September and winning the Comeback Player Of The Year award. Another win for Omar!

The clearest mistake he's made in my opinion was in giving Castillo a 4-year deal even before he had such a lousy year last year. I'm still scratching my head on that one. But all told, he's really not done badly at all as a GM in terms of assembling talent.

Getting the most of that talent -- working the chemistry, providing leadership, instilling "grit" and toughness and a never say die attitude -- is on the manager, not the GM.


Good post. I agree that Omar has done ok. Castillo being the main head scratcher, and to a lesser degree, 2 year deals to Marlon Anderson and Julio "Father Time" Franco were also odd, but not devastating.

Can you imagine being Brian Cashman and passing on Johan Santana in order to keep Melky, Hughes and Kennedy? Hahahahaha...

[trueblue9441]

cant wait to go to the game friday night and see citi field for the first time!! are there any yuengling stands at the park?

[metsforever7515]

cant wait to go to the game friday night and see citi field for the first time!! are there any yuengling stands at the park?

I would answer - if I knew what in the world that word meant. :D

[metsforever7515]

I would answer - if I knew what in the world that word meant. :D

Apparently it's a brewery. Thank you Google.

[vertigone]

I would answer - if I knew what in the world that word meant. :D

It's beer, and pretty good too. I have not seen it for sale at the park.

[trueblue9441]

if there isnt a yuengling stand at the stadium, what are the best beers served there and where are they located?

[kimthemetschick]

I'm not a beer conessieur (sp), but there are plenty of "bottled beer" stands that sell canned beer (I love that :rofl:). There is a big fridge-like kiosk in centerfield, near the scoreboard area, with a bunch of different beers.

[kimthemetschick]

I am... I know Dan is, Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan, Shea1012, who else?


I'll be thinking of you all while I make my debut at Yankee Stadium :blush:. Wish me luck with that crowd.

[metsforever7515]

Weird thing happened today. I was looking for my Beltran jersey when I realize I don't actually have one (oops). So I figured I'd go to Modell's to get one of those nice new replicas that look like they have the authentic lettering. Well, turns out they don't have them. So I go to the Mets Clubhouse shop at Roosevelt Field. Nothing. I check another Modell's, nothing. Apparently Citi Field is the only place you can get a Beltran replica jersey. Weird, huh? I always thought of Beltran as a star player.

[BMF]

I'm not a beer conessieur (sp), but there are plenty of "bottled beer" stands that sell canned beer (I love that :rofl:). There is a big fridge-like kiosk in centerfield, near the scoreboard area, with a bunch of different beers.

I call that the bud hut

[BMF]

Y cant the mets ever make it easy:rant::rant::rant:

[metsforever7515]

Y cant the mets ever make it easy:rant::rant::rant:

I'm gonna have a heart attack....

[kimthemetschick]

It's like a bad dream... :rant:

[metsforever7515]

It's like a bad dream... :rant:

Aka being a Mets fan.

THANK YOU RYAN CHURCH.

[kimthemetschick]

Dear God, I am getting too old for this!! Baseball is supposed to be enjoying, entertaining.... not ulcer forming!!

[metsforever7515]

It's kind of weird, as soon as that ball that Delgado missed went up I started going "someone catch it, someone catch it, someone catch it, someone catch it!!!", which I NEVER do on pop-ups.

[BMF]

It's like a bad dream... :rant:

they almost put me back in the hospital.. thank gawd they got it.. next stop citi field where I will see you guys tomorrow. Dishy 645 is good. Im going early so my dad can see the park for the first time he's gonna love it.

anybody else wanna meet up pm me.:thumbsup:

[metsforever7515]

Dear God, I am getting too old for this!! Baseball is supposed to be enjoying, entertaining.... not ulcer forming!!

Talk about it. I'm young and this team is already taking YEARS off of my life.

[peterrod16]

did anyone notice a change in the citi field time lapse ad?
they place the covering behind the lettering "Citi Field" in the ad.
Also, anyone going to citi field on thursday?

[metsforever7515]

Ronny makes a good point. Last year if Delgado dropped that ball, it would have been game over, the pitcher would have been completely disheartened. But Frankie has the composure to get over it and battle back to get that last out.

[metsforever7515]

did anyone notice a change in the citi field time lapse ad?
they place the covering behind the lettering "Citi Field" in the ad.
Also, anyone going to citi field on thursday?

Yeah, it was on the commercial before it was fully behind the "Citi Field" actually. Found that kind of weird.

[keyman]

did anyone notice a change in the citi field time lapse ad?
they place the covering behind the lettering "Citi Field" in the ad.
Also, anyone going to citi field on thursday?

Yeah, I noticed that too. Funny but the video still looks like the orig - missing ads on scoreboard.

[BMF]

did anyone notice a change in the citi field time lapse ad?
they place the covering behind the lettering "Citi Field" in the ad.
Also, anyone going to citi field on thursday?

I did notice that I thawt it was just me paying attention to detail. they used the video from the st johns game because the ads werent all up. yet the citi field logo in center was covered recently.

someones trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

[peterrod16]

its going to be weird visiting citi field on thursday
I visited Citizens Bank Park the true bandbox on saturday now i go back on thursday to the pitchers haven of citi field.
I plan on visiting some of the team stores thursday.
If u have picture request let me know before thursday afternoon.

[peterrod16]

I did notice that I thawt it was just me paying attention to detail. they used the video from the st johns game because the ads werent all up. yet the citi field logo in center was covered recently.

someones trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

BMF the video is from the red sox vs mets exhibton game from april 3rd

[BMF]

BMF the video is from the red sox vs mets exhibton game from april 3rd

you know what your right it was moving so fast I missed looking at the video board, you going tomorrow peter?

[nymdan]

its going to be weird visiting citi field on thursday
I visited Citizens Bank Park the true bandbox on saturday now i go back on thursday to the pitchers haven of citi field.
I plan on visiting some of the team stores thursday.
If u have picture request let me know before thursday afternoon.
Not unless you can sneak into the Delta Club or Ebbets Club.

Am I the only one that spends the entire day before going to Citi Field deciding what to eat? I've already started to ponder tomorrow's dinner.

[peterrod16]

you know what your right it was moving so fast I missed looking at the video board, you going tomorrow peter?

i wish but thursday is my game from the weekday plan
i will probably sit in my row 17 for an inning then start waking around.

[peterrod16]

Not unless you can sneak into the Delta Club or Ebbets Club.

Am I the only one that spends the entire day before going to Citi Field deciding what to eat? I've already started to ponder tomorrow's dinner.

I wish the delta club is the best premium area in the ballpark
I think the mets should open up the ebbets club to field box and metro box ticket holders.
Dan what do you recommend beside the shake shack?

[Dishy24]

Not unless you can sneak into the Delta Club or Ebbets Club.

My Little Guy will-- what do you want pictures of??... I will send him "armed" with my camera!!

[BMF]

Not unless you can sneak into the Delta Club or Ebbets Club.

Am I the only one that spends the entire day before going to Citi Field deciding what to eat? I've already started to ponder tomorrow's dinner.

im gonna try the tacos tomorrow

[CFmets09]

im gonna try the tacos tomorrow

that's what he said

[Jbutta29]

Dishy you got a pm ;)

[Dishy24]

So I had a PTA Executive board meeting tonight... I am sitting there watching the Mets game on my laptop-- I am the Treasurer so they all though I was pulling reports, etc... totally blew my cover when I started screamimg at Delgado when he dropped that ball!!!

[Jbutta29]

hahaha god you rule!

[Dishy24]

hahaha god you rule!

mlb.tv baby! I subscribe just for PTA meetings & vacations!!!

[Gary Dunaier]

i wish but thursday is my game from the weekday plan

If it's a Weekday Plan game then that means I'll be there... and you know what that means...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4

[Mygirljess]

So I had a PTA Executive board meeting tonight... I am sitting there watching the Mets game on my laptop-- I am the Treasurer so they all though I was pulling reports, etc... totally blew my cover when I started screamimg at Delgado when he dropped that ball!!!

LOL... Mets still won. Harper Valley PTA?

[alpineinc]

if there isnt a yuengling stand at the stadium, what are the best beers served there and where are they located?

See the Food at Citi Field thread, also discussion on beer at the park...

As discussed here also, the best beer in the entire park (except maybe in clubs) is in the center field Taste Of The City area - "Big Apple Brews" is a hut with over 20 premium bottled beers...



...and the four new food places (Shake Shack, Blue Smoke, El Verano Taqueria and Box Frites) all have drafts made special just for them by the Brooklyn Brewery. The Taqueria and Frites special drafts actually change every few games; I've seen 3 different ones there already.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89165

[Mygirljess]

Brooklyn Lager is available also

[Jbutta29]

mlb.tv baby! I subscribe just for PTA meetings & vacations!!!

Thats how i watch my games down here. Otherwise im stuck watching the Marlins...ugh. MLB.TV is definitely worth it. I also watch the other late games at work as well.

[Dishy24]

LOL... Mets still won. Harper Valley PTA?

LOL... close... little do they know the PTA owns Full Season Mets tickets... (I am the Treasurer for a reason you know...lol!)

[Gary Dunaier]

Brooklyn Lager is available also

BROOKLYN lager! Oy vey, just another example of Wilpon's obsession with all things Brooklyn... doesn't he know OUR METS play in QUEENS and we need for OUR HOME of OUR METS to reflect the grandeur and glory that is QUEENS and Wilpon should have built KEYSPAN PARK to look like Ebbets Field if he is so BROOKLYN obsessed... and furthermore Fred Wilpon is a kmf[knew[on 0pineqw09h3jjn ewionqin eqwind National Wholesale Liquidators opj]j32m qpmm2]1dpo32c[ Streit's Matzohs pomm pkmwqpkmqwc2pl o[w[eck[ew-o23 New Hyde Park Road pomqjp]om -]o9jkpcdwdwq [0921 nm.[p]32i Meg Griffin from "Family Guy" pnqi89 wijm2-k omjojd Tasker-Morris oijn[oqihjorm[op]f3........... ............. . . . . . . . . . . . . .



okay I'll behave... :sorry:

[CoreyNYC]

I agree-- It's a pain to have to keep up & checking in on 3 different threads!!

Yeah! Pointing and clicking with a mouse is hard work!

[Jbutta29]

Weird thing happened today. I was looking for my Beltran jersey when I realize I don't actually have one (oops). So I figured I'd go to Modell's to get one of those nice new replicas that look like they have the authentic lettering. Well, turns out they don't have them. So I go to the Mets Clubhouse shop at Roosevelt Field. Nothing. I check another Modell's, nothing. Apparently Citi Field is the only place you can get a Beltran replica jersey. Weird, huh? I always thought of Beltran as a star player.


I have seen em at most modells and stores all over NY. not saying your not tellin the truth, just sucks you couldnt find one.

[BMF]

If it's a Weekday Plan game then that means I'll be there... and you know what that means...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4



alright!!!! the Gary's coming cool....

[metsforever7515]

I have seen em at most modells and stores all over NY. not saying your not tellin the truth, just sucks you couldnt find one.

The new replicas or the old ones?

[islandxtreme26]

that's what he said
classic
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[islandxtreme26]

So I had a PTA Executive board meeting tonight... I am sitting there watching the Mets game on my laptop-- I am the Treasurer so they all though I was pulling reports, etc... totally blew my cover when I started screamimg at Delgado when he dropped that ball!!!
Dish can have my e-babies. You rule Dishy

[nymdan]

My Little Guy will-- what do you want pictures of??... I will send him "armed" with my camera!!
Ha... nothing in particular, I just haven't seen those areas.


Dan what do you recommend beside the shake shack?
See the food thread. Pretty much everything, though I wasn't crazy about the tacos.

[alpineinc]

BROOKLYN lager! Oy vey, just another example of Wilpon's obsession with all things Brooklyn... doesn't he know OUR METS play in QUEENS and we need for OUR HOME of OUR METS to reflect the grandeur and glory that is QUEENS and Wilpon should have built KEYSPAN PARK to look like Ebbets Field if he is so BROOKLYN obsessed... and furthermore Fred Wilpon is a kmf[knew[on 0pineqw09h3jjn ewionqin eqwind National Wholesale Liquidators opj]j32m qpmm2]1dpo32c[ Streit's Matzohs pomm pkmwqpkmqwc2pl o[w[eck[ew-o23 New Hyde Park Road pomqjp]om -]o9jkpcdwdwq [0921 nm.[p]32i Meg Griffin from "Family Guy" pnqi89 wijm2-k omjojd Tasker-Morris oijn[oqihjorm[op]f3

Ha, actually the fries place had a Brooklyn concoction called Blanche de Queens or something (I kid you not), so Brooklyn bowed to CF's Queens location I guess (was a white belgian type brew), but haven't seen it since. Maybe the Wilpon's Brooklyn facade is cracking a bit, lol.

[schnu]

Pet peeve - now that the Mets run the parking lots, they've decided to charge the full game rate for the commuter lots for today and tomorrow ($18 versus $4).

In the past, AIR that was only done that on opening day and 12:05 weekday starts - for example they charged the commuter rate during the 06 playoffs, Billy Joel concerts, etc (I don't remember what they charged for the Friday of the Yankee series).

At the booth on Monday they handed out a sheet announcing the change for today and tomorrow.

I called the management company - who were nice enough but said that the rates were under the control of the owners. They were obviously working from a script to the point that the woman refused to say word "Mets" when I asked who the owners were.

I then called the Met offices - to their credit they gave me the name of a person who picked up the phone and heard out my concerns.

The person who picked up said that this was the first year running the commuter lot (loved the use of the word "learning process") and they acknowledged that charging the full game rate to commuters was a problem.

They also realized that it was important to hear our their concerns (as some are also customers of the team as well), that they were rethinking the policy for the rest of the season.

I don't have a problem with them charging the full rate at some point past 9a, but it seems downright silly to charge it for a midweek series in May.

We'll see if they do this later in the season.

[04golf]

^^^

The parking is alot of money!

My ticket to get into the ballgame -$19.00-$23.00 ($ range ive spent this season)
The price to park my car - $18.00

The train wouldnt be any different for me, prob about $18 with 1 way being peak hr. I would have to take 2 metro north trains and 2 subways to get to CF and back home. It also would take alot more time, while driving only takes about 15-20mins.

What would be ideal in my mind, show your ticket at the parking lot gate and your allowed to park. Seems fair in my mind, you spent money to attend the event, the parking lot is park of the stadium. Your ticket is your entrance fee. If there is a private parking lot that isnt owned by the mets I could understand charging. I park down at the Marina (not sure if thats mets owned or not) and although its been $18 to park, its been easy to find a spot before game time and leave afterwards with no problem, so im happy with that.

Ill be at the game tonight!! First time seeing santana pitch in person or going to a game vs the phillies. This will be my 3rd game this season, avg 1 per week :gt

[Jbutta29]

The new replicas or the old ones?

hmmm you lookin for the one with the inaugural hat patch on the sleeve??

I actually cant speak for this year, just last, sorry bout that.

[dstoffa]

Pet peeve - now that the Mets run the parking lots, they've decided to charge the full game rate for the commuter lots for today and tomorrow ($18 versus $4).

In the past, AIR that was only done that on opening day and 12:05 weekday starts - for example they charged the commuter rate during the 06 playoffs, Billy Joel concerts, etc (I don't remember what they charged for the Friday of the Yankee series).

At the booth on Monday they handed out a sheet announcing the change for today and tomorrow.

I called the management company - who were nice enough but said that the rates were under the control of the owners. They were obviously working from a script to the point that the woman refused to say word "Mets" when I asked who the owners were.

I then called the Met offices - to their credit they gave me the name of a person who picked up the phone and heard out my concerns.

The person who picked up said that this was the first year running the commuter lot (loved the use of the word "learning process") and they acknowledged that charging the full game rate to commuters was a problem.

They also realized that it was important to hear our their concerns (as some are also customers of the team as well), that they were rethinking the policy for the rest of the season.

I don't have a problem with them charging the full rate at some point past 9a, but it seems downright silly to charge it for a midweek series in May.

We'll see if they do this later in the season.

IIRC, the old company charged the event rate for Opening Day and the Friday Yankee game last year.

Expect them to charge $18 for commuter parking on any Silver, Gold, or Platinum game day. That seems to be the rule they are following. They charged event rate Opening Week. They did NOT charge event rate Friday 4/24 -- It was a value date.

I had no idea they were going to charge $18 today -- been out of town the past couple of days. At least they finally put a man at the entrance to the lot, telling everyone that parking was $18... I already committed to park, and had no choice at that point. I saw many a folk turn away. I wonder how much money they 'lose' by trying to milk the commuter for an extra $14.

Maybe that's why there were so many cars parked under the Astoria Expressway at 7:30 this morning.....

Cheers!
-Doug

[Gary Dunaier]

So much for encouraging people to take public transportation to get to work, if they're going to charge commuters ballpark prices to park.

[Jbutta29]

18 bucks yeesh, but i will say the Dolphin games are about 20 bucks to park...but thats just 8 times a year. But the Marliins parking is ten.

[dstoffa]

So much for encouraging people to take public transportation to get to work, if they're going to charge commuters ballpark prices to park.

This is a debate one is not going to win by complaining to the owners. They have a business model and are trying to make as much money as they can. This is a debate that will be one in the court of public opinion, especially in light of all the fare hikes, etc. It's time to bring this to the attention of the media.

Unfortunately, I don't think big media is going to make that big a dent considering that this change in policy effects a couple hundred commuters at best. But why even call this a commuter lot? That is a joke in itself. I might as well park in Manhattan.

Cheers!
-Doug

[schnu]

IIRC, the old company charged the event rate for Opening Day and the Friday Yankee game last year.

Expect them to charge $18 for commuter parking on any Silver, Gold, or Platinum game day. That seems to be the rule they are following. They charged event rate Opening Week. They did NOT charge event rate Friday 4/24 -- It was a value date.

I had no idea they were going to charge $18 today -- been out of town the past couple of days. At least they finally put a man at the entrance to the lot, telling everyone that parking was $18... I already committed to park, and had no choice at that point. I saw many a folk turn away. I wonder how much money they 'lose' by trying to milk the commuter for an extra $14.

Maybe that's why there were so many cars parked under the Astoria Expressway at 7:30 this morning.....

Cheers!
-Doug

Doug - they didn't charge $18 after opening day (e.g. the Gold games versus the Padres) - I parked there in the AM on Wed 4/15. When they played the Marlins at 1PM, the $18 rate went into effect at 9a (4 hrs before 1st pitch).

Its because of the Phillies.

FWIW - there's parking by Citicorp Plaza at 23rd/Ely for $9/day so that's where I go when they charge game rates (or the weather is crappy or the 7 is messed up).

[jfvmets]

men.. all of you thinking that parking is expensive (which it is)...
but check nationals park in dc. ($35, $40) parking... to see last place nationals... or park like 1 miles from stadium for (10, 20)..

thats why it's better take the train...

[Jbutta29]

Okay I must ask, I am sorry...

Where is this "commuter lot" ?

I for the most part last year took the 7 to most games and drove to a few and we paid parking but i dont recall the pricing, may have had a parking pass for those.

[jfvmets]

mlb.tv baby! I subscribe just for PTA meetings & vacations!!!

does mlb.tv blockout games of the team that are from the same area? like ex. the mlb.tv will block the mets/yankees games in the newyork area..

[jfvmets]

See the Food at Citi Field thread, also discussion on beer at the park...

As discussed here also, the best beer in the entire park (except maybe in clubs) is in the center field Taste Of The City area - "Big Apple Brews" is a hut with over 20 premium bottled beers...



...and the four new food places (Shake Shack, Blue Smoke, El Verano Taqueria and Box Frites) all have drafts made special just for them by the Brooklyn Brewery. The Taqueria and Frites special drafts actually change every few games; I've seen 3 different ones there already.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89165

no Heineken... no corona...:thumbsdown:

[dstoffa]

Doug - they didn't charge $18 after opening day (e.g. the Gold games versus the Padres) - I parked there in the AM on Wed 4/15. When they played the Marlins at 1PM, the $18 rate went into effect at 9a (4 hrs before 1st pitch).

Its because of the Phillies.

FWIW - there's parking by Citicorp Plaza at 23rd/Ely for $9/day so that's where I go when they charge game rates (or the weather is crappy or the 7 is messed up).

Thanks for the Citicorp tip...

They did not charge $18 for the 4/15 game. They DID charge $18 for the Friday, 4/17 game against the Brewers. That was a Friday game. You can't tell me they charged that much because of the opponent...

Cheers!
-Doug

[dstoffa]

Okay I must ask, I am sorry...

Where is this "commuter lot" ?

I for the most part last year took the 7 to most games and drove to a few and we paid parking but i dont recall the pricing, may have had a parking pass for those.

The 'Commuter Lot' is located on the south side of Roosevelt Avenue, just across the street from Citi Field. The lot lays between Roosevelt Avenue and the MTA Corona Yards. If you are riding the #7 to Flushing, its the parking lot on your right as you enter the Mets / Willets Pt subway stop. You walk over this lot if you take the boardwalk to Flushing Meadows Park / LIRR / US Tennis Center. Vehicle entrance is on Roosevelt.

Cheers!
-Doug

[Jbutta29]

Thanks, I wasnt sure...yeah I parked in there last year for a braves game I didnt have a pass for, how much was it last year, I forget...thats an insane price for a team owned lot...

[schnu]

Okay I must ask, I am sorry...

Where is this "commuter lot" ?

I for the most part last year took the 7 to most games and drove to a few and we paid parking but i dont recall the pricing, may have had a parking pass for those.


The "commuter" lot is the parking field that is on the south side of Roosevelt Ave. Its open in the morning for people to use the 7 Line station.

[schnu]

Thanks for the Citicorp tip...

They did not charge $18 for the 4/15 game. They DID charge $18 for the Friday, 4/17 game against the Brewers. That was a Friday game. You can't tell me they charged that much because of the opponent...

Cheers!
-Doug

The lot by Citicorp is on Pearson Street - there's a private lot that charges $9 as well as a municipal lot for 10.50 for 12 hrs.

I didn't realize they charged the full rate on that Friday (I don't park there every day).

[schnu]

men.. all of you thinking that parking is expensive (which it is)...
but check nationals park in dc. ($35, $40) parking... to see last place nationals... or park like 1 miles from stadium for (10, 20)..

thats why it's better take the train...


The $18 for people going to the game isn't the issue.

Its charging the full game rate to people who depend on that lot for commuting purposes this season. A large majority of those people aren't going to the game & leave before 1st pitch, leaving the Mets the ability to sell those spots again to people with tix at full fare.

They didn't do that in the past.

[ribant]

I know it has been at least a day since there has been any serious Citi/Wilpon bashing around here. But I want to add this lnk just to show things ain't all rosy in the Bronx either

http://www.fenwaywest.com/2009/05/house-that-hank-built.html

[foulpole]

no Heineken... no corona...:thumbsdown:

You can get a can of Heineken at any of the "Bottled Beer" stands. They're everywhere. Even the vendors walk around with Heineken and Becks now ($6.50).:thumbsup:

[met_dream]

The 'Commuter Lot' is located on the south side of Roosevelt Avenue, just across the street from Citi Field. The lot lays between Roosevelt Avenue and the MTA Corona Yards. If you are riding the #7 to Flushing, its the parking lot on your right as you enter the Mets / Willets Pt subway stop. You walk over this lot if you take the boardwalk to Flushing Meadows Park / LIRR / US Tennis Center. Vehicle entrance is on Roosevelt.

Cheers!
-Doug

That's the Southfield lot. It's always $18 at least by 4pm on game days. I don't know what arrangement they have in the morning, I guess it's cheaper for commuters.

[tomzpc]

I know it has been at least a day since there has been any serious Citi/Wilpon bashing around here. But I want to add this lnk just to show things ain't all rosy in the Bronx either

http://www.fenwaywest.com/2009/05/house-that-hank-built.html

A Red Sox site. Not exactly an impartial review is it?

[ribant]

A Red Sox site. Not exactly an impartial review is it?

Where would you find an impartial one?

[schnu]

That's the Southfield lot. It's always $18 at least by 4pm on game days. I don't know what arrangement they have in the morning, I guess it's cheaper for commuters.

The general rule is that its $4 for commuters in the morning.

In the past if a group of tailgaters showed up in the early afternoon, they'd generally make them wait until the lot opened up for the game 4hrs before 1st pitch.

[Mongoose]

The $18 for people going to the game isn't the issue.

Its charging the full game rate to people who depend on that lot for commuting purposes this season. A large majority of those people aren't going to the game & leave before 1st pitch, leaving the Mets the ability to sell those spots again to people with tix at full fare.

They didn't do that in the past.

Don't you know?

As part of New York City's latest lease/giveaway to the Mets, Wilpon was given control of the parking lot, which is City owned. Wilpon gets just about all the money from the lot now (used to be a more even split with the City), so why wouldn't he put the screws to commuters?

You wouldn't expect him to treat them any better than his own fan base, would you?

[schnu]

Don't you know?

As part of New York City's latest lease/giveaway to the Mets, Wilpon was given control of the parking lot, which is City owned. Wilpon gets just about all the money from the lot now (used to be a more even split with the City), so why wouldn't he put the screws to commuters?

You wouldn't expect him to treat them any better than his own fan base, would you?

Its Queens and Nassau commuters that park at the lot, so in a way screwing his fan base (I split a plan with another ticket holder).

[thrill5one6]

I am... I know Dan is, Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan, Shea1012, who else?

Prom Club (or my section 416 @ 6:45 work?) -- You have to make it easy for me!!

what exactly happens at these "meetings"? :think:

[thrill5one6]

I have 5 games at 512 row 1 and I think I may need some seat cushions to avoid the rail being in my eye sight. Does anyone have any suggestions on where i can get two?:shrug: (looking for an alternative to ebay)

[mandrake]

I know it has been at least a day since there has been any serious Citi/Wilpon bashing around here. But I want to add this lnk just to show things ain't all rosy in the Bronx either

http://www.fenwaywest.com/2009/05/house-that-hank-built.html

Mongoose just appeared on the forum. Time to break out the Wilpon Pinata !
After looking at the recent Yankees Museum pictures posted on the YS thread, I could go for a few shots at the man who runs the 'ballpark in progress". Ole !!

[thrill5one6]

anyone willing to trade tickets?
I have Thursday May7th vs Phillies in Section 528 row 16
I'll trade for another game

[CFmets09]

Island, I think you're the only one that gets my jokes haha

[Mongoose]

Mongoose just appeared on the forum. Time to break out the Wilpon Pinata !
After looking at the recent Yankees Museum pictures posted on the YS thread, I could go for a few shots at the man who runs the 'ballpark in progress". Ole !!

I'm not really a Johnny One Note. I hit a variety of threads on this site covering a variety of topics.

I'm just frustrated that the team I grew up rooting for has been in a continuous slide since November of 1986 when Wilpon usurped a 50% share from Doubleday. I watched with horror as the greatest team I'd ever seen was broken up. Starting with the Mitchell/McReynolds trade he proceeded to get rid of any and every player he considered to be a carouser and bad moral influence. And what was the result? There were probably more miscreants on the 1993 squad than on the 1986 squad. The only difference was that they were a bunch of mercenary underachieving losers with no fire and no soul.

A rotating cast of fireless blase mercenary losers is what Mets fans have been treated to on the field over the past 23 years.

On top of that, I find his money-grubbing offensive and unnecessary - the Mets would be highly profitable without worrying about things like screwing commuters using the Willets Point parking lot. His obsession with wringing every last cent out of everything casts a pall over being a Mets fan.

My friends that are long term fans tend to agree with me, and Wilpon catches a lot of heat for his behavior all over the internet. I did not invent the name "Fred Coupon".

If you think I'm off-base in my criticism of him Mandrake, please tell me how.

[jfvmets]

You can get a can of Heineken at any of the "Bottled Beer" stands. They're everywhere. Even the vendors walk around with Heineken and Becks now ($6.50).:thumbsup:

damm i haven't seen the heineken.. that good :thumbsup:
thanks.

[dstoffa]

I'm just frustrated that the team I grew up rooting for has been in a continuous slide since November of 1986 when Wilpon usurped a 50% share from Doubleday. I watched with horror as the greatest team I'd ever seen was broken up. Starting with the Mitchell/McReynolds trade he proceeded to get rid of any and every player he considered to be a carouser and bad moral influence. And what was the result? There were probably more miscreants on the 1993 squad than on the 1986 squad. The only difference was that they were a bunch of mercenary underachieving losers with no fire and no soul.


I forgot where I read it, but the White Rat said it best, "You had the best team in baseball for six years, yet only won one World Championship." And if it wasn't for miracles (or a dumb-a$$ manager in Boston), there may haven't been any.

I sometimes get lost in thinking about what could have been.....

Cheers!
-Doug

[Dishy24]

I am in 413-- NOT 416-- meet up there @ 6:45!

[CoreyNYC]

Umm. Doubleday was still an owner for years after 198. But you never let facts get in the way of a good rant


I'm not really a Johnny One Note. I hit a variety of threads on this site covering a variety of topics.

I'm just frustrated that the team I grew up rooting for has been in a continuous slide since November of 1986 when Wilpon usurped a 50% share from Doubleday. I watched with horror as the greatest team I'd ever seen was broken up. Starting with the Mitchell/McReynolds trade he proceeded to get rid of any and every player he considered to be a carouser and bad moral influence. And what was the result? There were probably more miscreants on the 1993 squad than on the 1986 squad. The only difference was that they were a bunch of mercenary underachieving losers with no fire and no soul.

A rotating cast of fireless blase mercenary losers is what Mets fans have been treated to on the field over the past 23 years.

On top of that, I find his money-grubbing offensive and unnecessary - the Mets would be highly profitable without worrying about things like screwing commuters using the Willets Point parking lot. His obsession with wringing every last cent out of everything casts a pall over being a Mets fan.

My friends that are long term fans tend to agree with me, and Wilpon catches a lot of heat for his behavior all over the internet. I did not invent the name "Fred Coupon".

If you think I'm off-base in my criticism of him Mandrake, please tell me how.

[Gary Dunaier]

I guess anyone going to tonight's game will be on their way already and won't
see this until afterwards, so I'll ask this in the past tense...

Where did they stage the K-Rod pre-game ceremony? I ask because on 4/28
they had a pre-game ceremony honoring Gary Sheffield's 500th home run,
and they held it over by the Mets' on-deck circle, which seemed like a
strange place to do it... it's not exactly centrally located... and I'm wondering
if this is going to be standard for future pre-game ceremonies...

(the second photo shows you just how silly it looks... with the lineup card
exchange happening at the same time it seems like the ceremony was an
afterthought shoe-horned in at the last minute there...)

[Mongoose]

Umm. Doubleday was still an owner for years after 198. But you never let facts get in the way of a good rant

Frank Cashen distinguished himself as a genius in Baltimore and in New York up until 1986. Then, all of a sudden, he became an imbecile - but not just an ordinary imbecile; an imbecile that had a freakish obsession with the nocturnal activities of his players.

Here was a guy who had gone out and acquired Keith Hernandez at a time unsavory rumors of drug use were swirling around him and a lot of other teams didn't seem interested in touching him. Keith never was a moral paragon, but such considerations never seemed to be a factor in Cashen's decision making. Cashen always made the correct decision regardless...

Until the day Wilpon became a full partner.

We then learned through the press of a new determination on the part of the Mets front office to rid the team of all carousers and wild men. A series of trades then occurred which turned the deepest, most talented team many of us have ever seen into an surly unwatchable collection of garbage.

Or as Joe McDonald puts it:

http://www.nysportscene.com/?p=327

Remember back in the 1980s and even the early 1990s, it was Fred Wilpon who forced the purge of less desirable players from the club. After the 1986 World Series win, potential trouble maker Kevin Mitchell was shipped to San Diego for the pure vanilla Kevin McReynolds. A few years later the known partiers like Lenny Dykstra, Wally Backman, and even Darryl Strawberry were shown the door.

Your hero Fred Wilpon ruined that team.

[fnatic]

I don't know what you call it but I noticed in this picture posted by Matt Cerrone that the rotunda entrance of Citi has a some sort of covering that's similar to Ebbets Field.

http://twitpic.com/4oam4

I wonder if it will be added sometime in the future?

[mattygnym]

Can we pleeease get rid of when they have the kid say "play ball" in the beginning. It's so embarassing.

[jfvmets]

anyone have mlb.tv to share....
I'm out of state so can't see the mets....
pm me if somebody wanna help... and maybe make a deal...

[LIFAN12]

BROOKLYN lager!



okay I'll behave... :sorry:


That's Ben Stern (father of Howard Stern)!!! :radio

Will you be in the Baba Booey Party Suite this Saturday? :thumbsup:

I will. :blush:

[mets86zbt203]

Any recent pictures of the Shea site? I was there for the 4/24 game and its down to almost nothing so I would guess its pretty much gone... I'll be at the 5/27 game, it will probably already be gone and I'm guessing the Shea Markings will be finalized in the parking lot as well.

[CoreyNYC]

Frank Cashen distinguished himself as a genius in Baltimore and in New York up until 1986. Then, all of a sudden, he became an imbecile - but not just an ordinary imbecile; an imbecile that had a freakish obsession with the nocturnal activities of his players.

Here was a guy who had gone out and acquired Keith Hernandez at a time unsavory rumors of drug use were swirling around him and a lot of other teams didn't seem interested in touching him. Keith never was a moral paragon, but such considerations never seemed to be a factor in Cashen's decision making. Cashen always made the correct decision regardless...

Until the day Wilpon became a full partner.

We then learned through the press of a new determination on the part of the Mets front office to rid the team of all carousers and wild men. A series of trades then occurred which turned the deepest, most talented team many of us have ever seen into an surly unwatchable collection of garbage.

Or as Joe McDonald puts it:

http://www.nysportscene.com/?p=327

Remember back in the 1980s and even the early 1990s, it was Fred Wilpon who forced the purge of less desirable players from the club. After the 1986 World Series win, potential trouble maker Kevin Mitchell was shipped to San Diego for the pure vanilla Kevin McReynolds. A few years later the known partiers like Lenny Dykstra, Wally Backman, and even Darryl Strawberry were shown the door.

Your hero Fred Wilpon ruined that team.

RANT RANT RANT, avoid the truth.

Wilpon bought Doubleday out in 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/14/sports/baseball-owners-of-mets-make-a-deal.html

Remember back in the 60's when Wilpon orchestrated the JFK assassination, and staged the moon landing in his backyard for NASA. blah blah coupon blah

[johnql]

Any recent pictures of the Shea site? I was there for the 4/24 game and its down to almost nothing so I would guess its pretty much gone... I'll be at the 5/27 game, it will probably already be gone and I'm guessing the Shea Markings will be finalized in the parking lot as well.

Check the Shea Demolition thread in a little bit. I just got home from the game and will be uploading pics shortly, some of them of the remaining demo site.

[metsforever7515]

Just got home. Crowd was REALLY into it. Great game (offense could have helped but 1 run will to it for me if we win). Some shaky moments but a solid game from the pitching staff.

[peterrod16]

Just got home. Crowd was REALLY into it. Great game (offense could have helped but 1 run will to it for me if we win). Some shaky moments but a solid game from the pitching staff.

metsforever did you see any new banners or signs inside citi field.
On tv i notice the mo zone has a pic of D wright on the wall inside

[metsforever7515]

metsforever did you see any new banners or signs inside citi field.
On tv i notice the mo zone has a pic of D wright on the wall inside

Nope didn't see anything new. And you can refer to me as MF7515 if it's easier. Or just MF.

[nymdan]

5-0 in the outfield now, as expected.

Had a nice time in the porch... I was two rows behind where Delgado hit his foul ball. Very nice vantage point up there, though I like sitting there for the occasional game, rather than every game (though I know you'd all prefer me to sit there for every game). 305 is especially nice because you can see the TVs at the end of the Caesar's Club sections... not only for replays, but to watch live any balls hit to the wall.

A nice touch, which I was wondering why they didn't do before: they have those TVs set to the game during the inning, and set to show what's on the CF scoreboard between innings.

[metsforever7515]

5-0 in the outfield now, as expected.

Had a nice time in the porch... I was two rows behind where Delgado hit his foul ball. Very nice vantage point up there, though I like sitting there for the occasional game, rather than every game (though I know you'd all prefer me to sit there for every game). 305 is especially nice because you can see the TVs at the end of the Caesar's Club sections... not only for replays, but to watch live any balls hit to the wall.

A nice touch, which I was wondering why they didn't do before: they have those TVs set to the game during the inning, and set to show what's on the CF scoreboard between innings.

Anybody want to give Dan some outfield seats for tomorrow? :D

[Gary Dunaier]

I don't know what you call it but I noticed in this picture posted by Matt Cerrone that the rotunda entrance of Citi has a some sort of covering that's similar to Ebbets Field.

http://twitpic.com/4oam4

I wonder if it will be added sometime in the future?

That's a 3-D piece of artwork by Charles Fazzino. He and John Franco were signing posters of the artwork outside the team store in the Jackie Robinson Rotunda prior to the 4/28/09 game.


(Photo taken April 28, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3485497880/in/set-72157617365402389/).)


(Photo taken April 28, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3484684037/in/set-72157617365402389).)


(Photo taken April 28, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3484685565/in/set-72157617365402389/).)

[Gary Dunaier]

metsforever did you see any new banners or signs inside citi field.

Watching the game at home on the television, I noticed there's now a Citi Field logo to the right of the rotating ads behind home plate. Prior to that there was just the logo to the left, as seen here...


(Photo taken April 28, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3485580334/in/set-72157617365402389).)

Didn't catch enough of the game to see if they added a second logo or moved the one logo from the left to the right.

[MSchvatz44]

anyone who went to the game tonight happen to take a picture of the mets plaza outside of the rotunda? i am curious now that we have had good weather how all of the greenery is looking outside the stadium. thanks.

[JoseJoseJose7]

Hi Dishy:waving and BMF, Saltzy what section where you in???

[Mongoose]

RANT RANT RANT, avoid the truth.

Wilpon bought Doubleday out in 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/14/sports/baseball-owners-of-mets-make-a-deal.html

Remember back in the 60's when Wilpon orchestrated the JFK assassination, and staged the moon landing in his backyard for NASA. blah blah coupon blah
Your argument here hinges on the notion that Wilpon was powerless because Doubleday still had a 50% share in the team.

This is ridiculous.

As soon as Wilpon became a full partner, the influx of bland losers that's become a Wilpon hallmark began. This is indisputable. Some guy has even started an entire blog about it called The Wilpon Curse.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:KQA7fj75IZsJ:thewilponcurse.blogspo t.com/+wilpon+mcreynolds+trade&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

He's been helpful enough to supply us with a time line of disastrous changes Wilpon wrought:

The Wilpon Curse Phase I: Dismantling the Champions (1986-1990)

Rumors have surfaced since the winter of 1986 that the Mets were trying to establish a more fan-friendly tone, complete with players who were more well-behaved than the notoriously rowdy '86 Championship team. While those rumors have never been proven or disproven, it is a trend that has haunted Mets fans since 1986 - a team that often seems to be more concerned with image than winning. It can never be said how many of the good or bad decisions belonged to Doubleday, Wilpon, GM Frank Cashen or a combination of all three, but here are some lowlights from that time period:

* Ray Knight is Not Resigned - This is generally regarded as a major reason why the Mets stumbled in 1987 - Knight was the 1986 Comeback Player of the Year in addition to being a team leader. Knight declined to appear at Shea Stadium for the 20 year anniversary celebration of the '86 team - reportedly due to his displeasure at the team's handling of his situation at the end of that season.
* The Mets Trade a Kevin for a Kevin - In another bad decision following the '86 Series, the Mets trade Kevin Mitchell for Kevin McReynolds, under the premise that Mitchell was a bad influence on Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden. Gooden begins the 1987 season in drug rehab and both he and Strawberry end up with highly publicized drug problems for over a decade - a decade that sees each player win World Series rings with the Yankees. Mitchell goes on to become one of the most feared sluggers in the National League, winning the MVP and leading the Giants to a World Series appearance in 1989.
* The Future is Jefferies (Maybe Not) - In an effort to clear the way (and the clubhouse) for budding star Gregg Jefferies, the Mets make a series of moves in 1989 - Lenny Dykstra, Roger McDowell, Gary Carter, Randy Myers, Rick Aguilera, Mookie Wilson, Wally Backman , Keith Hernandez and others all leave New York.

While Hernandez/Carter/Wilson were already on the downside of his careers, Backman was a member of the 1990 Pittsburgh team that wins the NL East, while Dykstra was a key component of the 1993 National League Champion Philadelphia Phillies. Aguilera and Myers went on to become successful closers - Myers won the World Series in 1990 and Aguilera won it with the Twins in 1991.

Meanwhile, Jefferies has a terrible time in New York and he failed to achieve any modicum of success until years after he left the city.

* Firing Davey Johnson - The Mets fired manager Davey Johnson during the 1990 season. Johnson had won 90 or more games in five of his first six seasons and had never won fewer than 87 games in a season (1989). Johnson was replaced by former Mets SS Bud Harrelson and the team finished the season with 91 victories. Johnson went on to win division titles with Cincinnati and Baltimore. Harrelson would be fired in the middle of the 1991 season.

But, of course, you know everything better than everybody, and nobody can tell you anything different... And if anyone tries, you shout them down with boldface capitals and absurdist analogies that make no sense.

I await your inevitable next such post with resignation.

[Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan1116]

well well well...after all these months i finally made it to citi field (i know its a bit later than everyone else but...i got there) some quick thoughts on the place

THE PLACE IS AWESOME!!!!!

I REALLY CANNOT BELIEVE ALL THE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS AND THAT...OH THE SCOREBOARD IS TOO COLORFULL, THE ADDS ARE HORRIBLE :blah::blah::blah::blah: i sat there in the Prom box right behind homeplate (412) and watched most of the game from there...the 7th inning error/ run was watching through the prom club.

i absolutely loved the place and couldnot stop thinking how great it looked. i went to get food (mamma's of corona turkey and mozzerella= heaven on earth) went to the bathroom, team store all during the game and not once did i ask my self "i wonder whats going on" because there are TV's all over the place. and where there isnt a TV, there is a loudspeaker somewhere nearby blasting WFAN...all in all i absoluetly loved it and cannot wait for my next trip up there

[Dishy24]

Hi Dishy:waving and BMF, Saltzy what section where you in???

Great game- I took Bpt'sbiggestMetsfan to the game with my family... Johnql, Foulpole & Lil' Foul line, and Big Man stopped by to say hello! Then Big Man & I ran into JoseJoseJose7 (I'm easy to spot in the WC)... "Hey... are you Dishy???" MetsForever chickened out and didn't stop by to say "hi"... :rant:

Hey Bpt'sBiggestMets Fan... you sat in 413 (not 412)... silly!

[Mygirljess]

THE PLACE IS AWESOME!!!!!



So, you liked it?

[johnql]

anyone who went to the game tonight happen to take a picture of the mets plaza outside of the rotunda? i am curious now that we have had good weather how all of the greenery is looking outside the stadium. thanks.
Here's a few of the plaza from tonight.

[Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan1116]

Great game- I took Bpt'sbiggestMetsfan to the game with my family... Johnql, Foulpole & Lil' Foul line, and Big Man stopped by to say hello! Then Big Man & I ran into JoseJoseJose7 (I'm easy to spot in the WC)... "Hey... are you Dishy???" MetsForever chickened out and didn't stop by to say "hi"... :rant:

Hey Bpt'sBiggestMets Fan... you sat in 413 (not 412)... silly!

yeah well i was close :P great game though and i did get to meet a few of you guys finally

[mandrake]

I'm not really a Johnny One Note. I hit a variety of threads on this site covering a variety of topics.

I'm just frustrated that the team I grew up rooting for has been in a continuous slide since November of 1986 when Wilpon usurped a 50% share from Doubleday. I watched with horror as the greatest team I'd ever seen was broken up. Starting with the Mitchell/McReynolds trade he proceeded to get rid of any and every player he considered to be a carouser and bad moral influence. And what was the result? There were probably more miscreants on the 1993 squad than on the 1986 squad. The only difference was that they were a bunch of mercenary underachieving losers with no fire and no soul.

A rotating cast of fireless blase mercenary losers is what Mets fans have been treated to on the field over the past 23 years.

On top of that, I find his money-grubbing offensive and unnecessary - the Mets would be highly profitable without worrying about things like screwing commuters using the Willets Point parking lot. His obsession with wringing every last cent out of everything casts a pall over being a Mets fan.

My friends that are long term fans tend to agree with me, and Wilpon catches a lot of heat for his behavior all over the internet. I did not invent the name "Fred Coupon".

If you think I'm off-base in my criticism of him Mandrake, please tell me how.

Mongoose, relax and inhale ! I am actually one your side when it comes to Wilpon. One thing people can not tell on the internet is tone of voice, and I was actually happy that you had reappeared just after someone said there was no Wilpon bashing going on.:happy:
(I consider myself a loyal Mets fan; how many of the pom pom squad jumped into a car and drove to the Vet to see the Mets in 1983 because they signed Keith?).
Does the pom pom squad realize it has been over 22 years since a WS title, despite having the largest payroll now in the NL ? When I was growing up, the time between 1969 and 1986 seemed like eternity. So what does 1986 to 2009 feel like?

[johnql]

Great game- I took Bpt'sbiggestMetsfan to the game with my family... Johnql, Foulpole & Lil' Foul line, and Big Man stopped by to say hello! Then Big Man & I ran into JoseJoseJose7 (I'm easy to spot in the WC)... "Hey... are you Dishy???" MetsForever chickened out and didn't stop by to say "hi"... :rant:

Hey Bpt'sBiggestMets Fan... you sat in 413 (not 412)... silly!
Hi, Dishy! Good to see you again tonight. Nice to meet Bpt'sbiggestMetsfan. Foulpole and Lil' Foul Line were sitting a row behind me in 415. Here's a shot of them.

[met_dream]

The plaza looks amazing. I envisioned them landscaping it something like that. Looking at those pics, I can't help think just a couple months back all that was rubble and mud, and we thought this place could never be built fast enough.

It;s really coming into it's own.

Was talking to some nice Philly fans, (yeah, weird right?) and they were raving about the park. They thought it seemed huge compared to CBP and were surprised to hear it only seats 42,000.
I told them about the dumb Mets fans who hate this park and would go back to Shea and they said they had the same dumb fans who actually preferred the Vet. We agreed that both Shea and the Vet were sister stadiums that deserved their demise.

[RayNY]

I was at today's game.

Just want to mention something: racism is not cool.

If it's wrong to make fun of blacks or hispanics, then it's also wrong to make fun of asians. I only say this because a group of white boys sitting directly behind me couldn't help but make fun of Chan Ho Park in a racist way every time he made a plate appearance or was on the mound. It was not cool, it was annoying, and at one point I had enough and turned around and gave the guy a dirty look as if to say STFU.

People should be above this by now. Almost ruined the night for me but at least the dips**t stopped after realizing I was getting pissed off. Still not cool to do it in the first place though.

[Confused]

went to the game took a couple of pics (http://www.felipe.net/pictures/game_13_2009/index.html) in the prom club. yeah, they are pics of pics.

i dont understand the sign. and i was eating that sandwich as dishy rolled by. ;)

they are now serving pasta.

the club is still open to all, but there still werent a lot of pple there when i was there.

i watched the first inning in there, watched the 2nd inning outside of it, and then i walked the park (except excelsior). never sat in my seats.

there is a spot right before you go to the porch that has a fan assistant booth, that is a great place to stand and watch the game.

the porch, if you dont have a seat, isnt a good place to watch a game. too many ppl.

when i was at the end of the prom (left field), a drunk met fan started yelling that the phils and their fans were a certain part of a women. there were a couple of phil fans in the area. they didnt react. but slowly you saw security start forming around the area. he notices, and stopped. once the half inning was over they took him aside and talked to him. i left b4 they stopped talking to him.

the only place, it seems, that they dont check your stub to see if you belong in that area, is the prom. whatever. ;)

[met_dream]

I was at today's game.

Just want to mention something: racism is not cool.

If it's wrong to make fun of blacks or hispanics, then it's also wrong to make fun of asians. I only say this because a group of white boys sitting directly behind me couldn't help but make fun of Chan Ho Park in a racist way every time he made a plate appearance or was on the mound. It was not cool, it was annoying, and at one point I had enough and turned around and gave the guy a dirty look as if to say STFU.

People should be above this by now. Almost ruined the night for me but at least the dips**t stopped after realizing I was getting pissed off. Still not cool to do it in the first place though.
I sat next to 8 Koreans who were huge Park fans and were taking pics and clapping for him all night. He's a national hero there, so I can understand where they are coming from. If I saw someone disrespecting them I'd say something in a heartbeat.

[Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan1116]

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[mandrake]

I sat next to 8 Koreans who were huge Park fans and were taking pics and clapping for him all night. He's a national hero there, so I can understand where they are coming from. If I saw someone disrespecting them I'd say something in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, idiots come in all colors and nationalities, and throw in some alcohol and you can really find fools in a crowd. As usual, people who throw taunts and insults usually do it in the relative safety of a crowd.

[Dishy24]

and i was eating that sandwich as dishy rolled by. ;)

Nice of you to say "hi"!!! :mad:

BTW, Gavin was in the Delta 360 Club & Ebbett's Club again & took a few pictures... he tried to get Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan & my nephew in but I guess they are to big & not as slick as my little man! Then he hung out with BMF in the Pepsi Porch... thanks Big Man! :) :waving

[Jbutta29]

Dishy if you can next game you go to send that secret agent lad of yours to 511 to snap some shots if possible id be very grateful (even more so than I am now). if not no biggie :) . its cool to see people on the board meeting up and being cool with eachother. Has anyone met Corey?

[Mygirljess]

Unfortunately, idiots come in all colors and nationalities, and throw in some alcohol and you can really find fools in a crowd. As usual, people who throw taunts and insults usually do it in the relative safety of a crowd.

True, and the Mets fan base has always had more than its fair share. I would not be surprised if the racial insults were loud and vile, which is unacceptable. Me, the furthest I would go would be to question the sudden disappearance of the stray cats around the ballpark when the Phillies are in town.

[Dishy24]

Dishy if you can next game you go to send that secret agent lad of yours to 511 to snap some shots if possible. if not no biggie. its cool to see people on the board meeting up and being cool with eachother. Has anyone met Corey?

511? He only likes "restricted areas"...lol... I will have him do it Sunday.

Oh, btw, Gavin was also down in section 12, row 1 & got another game ball.. appearently there was some celebrity in the stands that everyone was making a big deal about so Gavin gave him the ball to sign... BUT he doesn't know who it was & I can't make out the signature! (looks like the 1st name starts with a K-- anyone see anyone special down there on TV??)

[Bpt'sbiggestmetsfan1116]

out of all the pictures i took tonight...here are the 4 really good ones (pics of field are from 413

[Mygirljess]

511? He only likes "restricted areas"...lol... I will have him do it Sunday.

Oh, btw, Gavin was also down in section 12, row 1 & got another game ball.. appearently there was some celebrity in the stands that everyone was making a big deal about so Gavin gave him the ball to sign... BUT he doesn't know who it was & I can't make out the signature! (looks like the 1st name starts with a K-- anyone see anyone special down there on TV??)

Remember Warner Wolf used to show a clip of some crazy fan in the stands and say, "Ernie Anstos was at the game!" ?

[Jbutta29]

511? He only likes "restricted areas"...lol... I will have him do it Sunday.

Oh, btw, Gavin was also down in section 12, row 1 & got another game ball.. appearently there was some celebrity in the stands that everyone was making a big deal about so Gavin gave him the ball to sign... BUT he doesn't know who it was & I can't make out the signature! (looks like the 1st name starts with a K-- anyone see anyone special down there on TV??)

hahaha thats true i forgot. Sorry to be a pest with it, im just so excited for my first trip with me, my brother and his kids. its become a tradition and our first game in the new stadium is gonna be a very memorable day! thanks to you.

[johnql]

511? He only likes "restricted areas"...lol... I will have him do it Sunday.

Oh, btw, Gavin was also down in section 12, row 1 & got another game ball.. appearently there was some celebrity in the stands that everyone was making a big deal about so Gavin gave him the ball to sign... BUT he doesn't know who it was & I can't make out the signature! (looks like the 1st name starts with a K-- anyone see anyone special down there on TV??)
Could it have been Kevin James?