Citi Field

[Jim Vaz]

Agreed. Anyone who had a problem with the anthem choice is really grasping at straws.

Thank you!

[keyman]

OH FOR...

You know, I have a massive program, yearbook and media guide collection, so I understand the secondary market and how expensive certain items can be. but is there no shame anymore?


I remember that for Opening Day 1993 , First Rockies game ever, I was not able to get programs at Shea, but I was able to mail in for copies.

Oh, and while we're at it 8 bucks for a program is a little steep...

[tomzpc]

You don't see why people are complaining because you didn't sit in the obstructed seats. I spent my hard earned money on tickets, drove through rush hour traffic and paid $18 for parking all to SEE my Mets play baseball. After being told that the "sitelines are unprecedented" I was confident that this would be an enjoyable experience. When I got to my seats, sec 423 row 2, I was very disipointed!

Now let me say I love Citi Field and I think with a few upgrades this truly will be one of the best in baseball. I just can't stand when people that have not sat in the obstructed seats say " I don't know what people are complaining about" because they really don't know.

Now that I've been to Citi Field twice, I know the seating areas to avoid, I just feel bad for the people that go for the first time and have to deal with the obstructions. I'm sure in a year or two after enough people complain, and New Yorkers will, the stairways and the led boards will be addressed.

I love Citi field overall but the main reason I go is to watch the game so here is the visual of my "complaint" sec 423 row 2.





Your pics don't show for me. What is the complaint from your seats?

IMO, people who showed up to find that their view is through a glass-boxed stairway landing or blocked by an LED board have a legitimate complaint. If you're complaining because you have a blind spot in the corners then you have to accept that this is the trade off on bringing seats closer to the action in these new ballparks. I can't see the leftfield corner from my seats but it's because I'm much closer to the field than I was at Shea. I'll take the blind spot. And for those who are sitting in the outfield, losing the homerun fence and warning track below you is a given. It's always going to be like that in multi-level fair territory outfield seating. This isn't unique to CF.

Also, as much as I am bothered by the fact that the Mets 3d viewer won't point out the stairway obstructions, it does show the blind spots from all of the sections. People really shouldn't have been surprised by this IMO.

[Shbmets]

Evan & Joe are unbelievably ridiculous to the point that they are liars. Evan mention something about ads at Citi FIeld, as if the outfield of Yankee STadium doesn't look like a minor league park with its wall-to-wall ads.

I wonder if Evan is going to mention that the Yankees also don't post the lineups on their board 6 hours before the game begins. Shea's scoreboard was one of very few around baseball that had the lineups posted 2 hours before the game.

Its amazing that they can fawn over the Hard Rock at NYS and yet knock the Mets for having so many things not related to the game. They gush over $90 Mohegan Sun seats LOCATED BEHIND GLASS IN THE OF...and whine about seats at CF where 5% of the field is out of view. Its amazing that they can brush aside the obstructions in the NYS bleachers because the tickets are only $5. I wonder if they will address the fact that the NYS upper deck seats are now further away from the field than the old stadium.

Stupid friggin' whiners!

Now they bring on none other than "Lonn Trost." Surprise, Surprise. He's only been on the FAN 10 times over the last two weeks.

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."

I'm officially done with this guy..... If I see him or Evan at Citi Field, I'm going to knock them out.

[DukeBX]

someone at WFAN made a good point the other day. concerning Mr. Met's Kiddie Field.they said how can they keep it open during a game? They said people come for a game and then to have them miss it,just doesn't make sense. i agree on this. i think they should close it when the game starts. have it open before the game. it's too distracting for parents to be aways with kids away from the actually purpose of visiting Citi: to see the Mets play. i don't know if it was a good idea of having that there.

[metfan61]

Your pics don't show for me. What is the complaint from your seats?

IMO, people who showed up to find that their view is through a glass-boxed stairway landing or blocked by an LED board have a legitimate complaint. If you're complaining because you have a blind spot in the corners then you have to accept that this is the trade off on bringing seats closer to the action in these new ballparks. I can't see the leftfield corner from my seats but it's because I'm much closer to the field than I was at Shea. I'll take the blind spot. And for those who are sitting in the outfield, losing the homerun fence and warning track below you is a given. It's always going to be like that in multi-level fair territory outfield seating. This isn't unique to CF.

Also, as much as I am bothered by the fact that the Mets 3d viewer won't point out the stairway obstructions, it does show the blind spots from all of the sections. People really shouldn't have been surprised by this IMO.


Try signing out then signing in again.

I agree with your point about the outfield coners, it's a trade off. These seats are around third base, promenade gold. No excuse for this mess!

[mdnash]

2 clears are clear after reading the previous page:

1) You people are way too picky about who sings to you

2) You people have too much time on your hands

GROW UP .. its the national anthem. who sang it when shea opened? you have no clue. i bet no one knows who sang it when the nats ball parked opened last year...

you peope have gotten to the point when you will argue over anything. chill out already

[SteveJRogers]

I remember that for Opening Day 1993 , First Rockies game ever, I was not able to get programs at Shea, but I was able to mail in for copies.

Oh, and while we're at it 8 bucks for a program is a little steep...

I wonder what that first game ever in 1962 at Sportsman's Park is worth today?

8 bucks for a program? Eh, doesn't seem that high to me, you've see the quality of work they put into the darn thing. I mean if they were still producing the same books as they were producing back in 1993 (or even the flimsy stuff from the 1970s), then I can see gripping about the cost of the books (or if they suddenly skyrockted the price to like 20 bucks (which would be more than the Met yearbook costs (12 bucks) at the present time). I mean we are talking about actual book like publications now!

Oh, that and the fact that the last 10 or so pages in recent years have been filled with nothing but yellow pages style ads for local restaurants and whatnot! :sigh:

[CoreyNYC]

Now they bring on none other than "Lonn Trost." Surprise, Surprise. He's only been on the FAN 10 times over the last two weeks.

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."

I'm officially done with this guy..... If I see him or Evan at Citi Field, I'm going to knock them out.

I liked when Trost said that the NYY Steakhouse is better than Luger's and neither one of them questioned that.

[CFmets09]

Benigno is not a mets fan. He's never ever said anything positive about them and he never will.

[keyman]

someone at WFAN made a good point the other day. concerning Mr. Met's Kiddie Field.they said how can they keep it open during a game? They said people come for a game and then to have them miss it,just doesn't make sense. i agree on this. i think they should close it when the game starts. have it open before the game. it's too distracting for parents to be aways with kids away from the actually purpose of visiting Citi: to see the Mets play. i don't know if it was a good idea of having that there.

Using that logic then the ceasars club should also be closed during the game. If you have kids, then you would understand that they get bored pretty easy, you can still see the game on the video board back there.

I was always a sit in the seat for the full nine kinda guy, but when I bring my kids I want them to enjoy the experience and if that means walking them around for an inning or two so be it. They shouldn't have to suffer thru a 4 hour game. Years ago when games were like 2-2.5 hours it was different.

[BMF]

Now they bring on none other than "Lonn Trost." Surprise, Surprise. He's only been on the FAN 10 times over the last two weeks.

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."

I'm officially done with this guy..... If I see him or Evan at Citi Field, I'm going to knock them out.

Id pay to see that:choke:

[nymTom]

Now they bring on none other than "Lonn Trost." Surprise, Surprise. He's only been on the FAN 10 times over the last two weeks.

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."

I'm officially done with this guy..... If I see him or Evan at Citi Field, I'm going to knock them out.


Yea these two A-holes are a joke, Im sure new YS is amazing , but to say it blows Citi away is absurd. I love the close, intimate look of CF and to me as a Mets fan it fits the team well.. New YS is just a redo of Old YS where on TV its look svery similiar. Not knocking it but it wasnt much of a change IMO other then adding all the new ammenities of a new ball park, Glorifying every corner with Marble and such, and have a classy Great Hall ..It does have a seating bowl thats looks almost as huge as SHEA which will be a huge adjustment for fans who were used to going to OYS sitting right above the action.. In any event, im sure both stadiums are great in their own way, but as Mets fans, when you have clowns Like Beningo and Roberts dissing the place and the team as so called Mets they say they are and spread their garble on the Mets flagship station, its a disgrace. I think Francessa is smarter then most think and has taken the high rode and never once knocked Citifield all awhile probably knowing everyone else would do it for him. Someone needs to call in and trash these punks. tell them to become Yankee fans and beat it already!!

[BMF]

Yea these two A-holes are a joke, Im sure new YS is amazing , but to say it blows Citi away is absurd. I love the close, intimate look of CF and to me as a Mets fan it fits the team well.. New YS is just a redo of Old YS where on TV its look svery similiar. Not knocking it but it wasnt much of a change IMO other then adding all the new ammenities of a new ball park, Glorifying every corner with Marble and such, and have a classy Great Hall ..It does have a seating bowl thats looks almost as huge as SHEA which will be a huge adjustment for fans who were used to going to OYS sitting right above the action.. In any event, im sure both stadiums are great in their own way, but as Mets fans, when you have clowns Like Beningo and Roberts dissing the place and the team as so called Mets they say they are and spread their garble on the Mets flagship station, its a disgrace. I think Francessa is smarter then most think and has taken the high rode and never once knocked Citifield all awhile probably knowing everyone else would do it for him. Someone needs to call in and trash these punks. tell them to become Yankee fans and beat it already!!


me personally I could care less what everybody else that was born without a brain thinks I love this park its great. I dont listen to idiots because sooner or later that IDIOTNESS will rub off and I dont like COOTIES
:crazy:silent:

[tfc3rid]

me personally I could care less what everybody else that was born without a brain thinks I love this park its great. I dont listen to idiots because sooner or later that IDIOTNESS will rub off and I dont like COOTIES
:crazy:silent:

But for those of us with Season Tickets who have co-workers coming and rethinking buying some tix from you because they heard Citi field is not good, it sucks.

[dstoffa]

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."


At twice the price, it better....

[tfc3rid]

Oh I thought you were saying the place sucks, my bad man

Dude,the place is incredible. It has issues but the Citi Field bashing is absolutely ridiculous...

And of course, we won't hear a peep about Yankee Stadium obstructions today...

[dstoffa]

why is he a moron?? he wasn't bashing Citifield , he was pointing out a fact that if people hear all this CF trashtalk, they may not want to buy the tickets


Show them pictures from your seats.... that should end all doubts, either way.

[atdy17]

At twice the price, it better....

for the rich folks.

[tfc3rid]

Show them pictures from your seats.... that should end all doubts, either way.

And I have and that does the trick.

[nymTom]

Evan Roberts backing off CF now. Just Saying he just wants more Mets stuff around the park but the food and service was good and the prices were fair and getting in and out of the building was much better. So apparently he is getting heat from somewhere but face it, they can talk crap all they want, thats what they get paid to do wether its good or bad..

[tfc3rid]

Evan Roberts backing off CF now. Just Saying he just wants more Mets stuff around the park but the food and service was good and the prices were fair and getting in and out of the building was much better. So apparently he is getting heat from somewhere but face it, they can talk crap all they want, thats what they get paid to do wether its good or bad..

It's incredible. These clowns are fanning the flames and will slobber all over Yankee Stadium today and tomorrow.

Citi Field is completely different from Yankee Stadium. They really cannot be compared directly. For me, I like the concept of Citi Field better.

[allmysalvation]

I literally have grown to just be disgusted by Joe, and it's sad, because I loved him growing up and used to listen to him on the Late Night all the time.

Back then, he had every right to complain, but things are different now. Can't he realize how much better off the Mets are right now as a team and complete organization than in 1995?

He's become a joke, all he does is try and rile people up to get calls. I know that's what sports talk guys do, but Joe always seemed to be better than that.

And don't even get me started on Evan, he's the kind of guy who looks like he gets his ass kicked every time he leaves the house......

[Shbmets]

At twice the price, it better....

Good point.

[Rob R]

How about we will talk in 50 years when Kelly Clarkson is considered a legend in her industry and such?

Lets see;

52 years after its debut its getting yet another revival.

The movie adaptation is a classic.

Songs like the opening Jets vs. The Sharks bit, "Maria," "I Want To Live In America," and "Tonight" are iconic and well known to this day.

So yeah, talk to me when Kelly Clarkson amounts to anything close to the legacy of some musical that was a modern day re-telling of Romeo & Juliet.

Well, if we're talking the original cast of WSS, then you might have a point. But when West Side Story has it's 280th revival to the point of it watered down and performed by C list actors, much like Grease, not so much.

[Rob R]

There are so many things we can argue about, but I think we have hit NEW lows with Kelly Clarkson vs Westside story cast!

WHO FREAKING CARES???
:crazy

lol...Ok, this is true.

[Rob R]

Sorry but I just don't see what the difference is between a pop/reality TV star and the cast of a play. If anything, the Mets are supporting NYC by giving a free promotion to a show when Broadway is struggling (not that West Side Story needs it because I think I heard on the news that it is doing great at the box office). Not to mention that WSS is a classic show & movie.
Like Jim and others have said, we're reaching (you, me, others) if we have to draw a comparison between NYS and Citi on this one.

[Rob R]

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."



Beningo doesn't seem like he's a man of good taste, so even I, as a Yankee fan, wouldn't take which stadium he prefers as a compliment.

[mandrake]

Like Jim and others have said, we're reaching (you, me, others) if we have to draw a comparison between NYS and Citi on this one.

Agreed. Finished.

[Jim Vaz]

Beningo doesn't seem like he's a man of good taste, so even I, as a Yankee fan, wouldn't take which stadium he prefers as a compliment.

Well he is a Jets fan so right there that says all you need to know about a man...:laugh

[Confused]

How can they put a $100,000 108" LCD in the lobby and not give us a coupla 32"s in the prom food court ? What are they like $600 each these days ???

yes, they need to fix that issue. quickly.

[BMF]

But for those of us with Season Tickets who have co-workers coming and rethinking buying some tix from you because they heard Citi field is not good, it sucks.

I do feel bad for most of you guys though but im perfectly fine just buying tickets off random friends rather than just having season tixx. id prob do a half season plan next year but hopefully in a section ive been in that I know is unobstructed

[tomzpc]

Try signing out then signing in again.

I agree with your point about the outfield coners, it's a trade off. These seats are around third base, promenade gold. No excuse for this mess!

Tried it, still no pics. Just dreaded red X's. :(

[BMF]

Tried it, still no pics. Just dreaded red X's. :(

i'll post them for ya... actually there are not there sorry

[CFmets09]

I wish all players have as much fun playing the game as nick swisher, watching the yes coverage that guy gets it

[Shbmets]

Suggestion to the Mets:


Put a big SUGGESTION BOX in the Jackie Robinson Rotunda. :dance

They better staff it with 24 hour security. I have a feeling they'll be emptying the box multiple times a day.

[tomzpc]

If this was Natalie Wood and Rita Moreno at their prime, maybe. This new version could close within a few months. I have no idea why the Mets chose west side story. They are not from the west side (they did play in Manhattan once, but the Wilpons can't remember where)

Yeah maybe, but Kelly Clarkson is just another Pop Star who will fade into obscurity soon enough. This isn't Ella Fitzgerald for goodness sakes. If it were reversed people would be saying that the Yankees made the classy choice with WSS and the Mets made the cheesy choice with KC.
I can't believe that I'm still discussing this and frankly I was in attendance for the game and am happy with the Mets choice. If it were KC I likely would have smirked when I heard her name. JMHO Kev. We'll have to agree to disagree again on this one. :waving

[SS Express]

Bad news on the "my photo" front... it looks like it’s going to be a looooong time before you guys get to see my photos from Wednesday... I’m still in the process of uploading to Flickr (and describing) my shots from Opening Day!


Great shots gary. I'm the one who met you at the game last night. :clapping

good stuff

[atdy17]

Suggestion to the Mets:


Put a big SUGGESTION BOX in the Jackie Robinson Rotunda. :dance

They better staff it with 24 hour security. I have a feeling they'll be emptying the box multiple times a day.

didn't the Mets have this at Shea. It wasn't a box but a table.

[islandxtreme26]

Kelly Clarkson to sing national anthem at NYS today...is that really any better than the cast of West Side Story the got some Mets fans so hot & bothered?

OK, not to get too OT with this however, there is somewhat of a difference between her and the cast of a brand new Broadway revival.

Kelly Clarkson = Has won 2 Grammys, 2 AMA's, and 12 Billboard Music Awards. She has had an album go 6x platinum, and another album go double-platinum. She was the first winner (and the most successful winner) on one of the highest rated reality shows of all time. She performed at the Lincoln Memorial to sing the National Anthem AND God Bless America on the 1-year anniversary of 9/11. She has performed the national anthem at the NBA Finals (Game 2, 2005) and at the 2005 NCAA Final Four. She has also performed at the NFL Opening Night (in Indianapolis) and at half-time during the 2007 Thanksgiving Day football game between the Jets and Dallas. Bottom line, there is no comparison - this chick has performed in front of large SPORTING EVENT crowds on the big stage before. These kids from West Side Story, while they are good and I am sure the show is good, don't quite match up to a present day music icon.

Personally, give me Michael Amante or the great John Amarante (national anthem performer at the Garden)

[CFmets09]

Citi should have set a precedent and brought in like eminem or somebody to rap the national anthem. That would be unique and original.




















































Curious to see how many people start going crazy over this post.

[nymTom]

OK, not to get too OT with this however, there is somewhat of a difference between her and the cast of a brand new Broadway revival.

Kelly Clarkson = Has won 2 Grammys, 2 AMA's, and 12 Billboard Music Awards. She has had an album go 6x platinum, and another album go double-platinum. She was the first winner (and the most successful winner) on one of the highest rated reality shows of all time. She performed at the Lincoln Memorial to sing the National Anthem AND God Bless America on the 1-year anniversary of 9/11. She has performed the national anthem at the NBA Finals (Game 2, 2005) and at the 2005 NCAA Final Four. She has also performed at the NFL Opening Night (in Indianapolis) and at half-time during the 2007 Thanksgiving Day football game between the Jets and Dallas. Bottom line, there is no comparison - this chick has performed in front of large SPORTING EVENT crowds on the big stage before. These kids from West Side Story, while they are good and I am sure the show is good, don't quite match up to a present day music icon.

Personally, give me Michael Amante or the great John Amarante (national anthem performer at the Garden)


Nice Island, I met KC in person and she was really great with my daughter , great photo pics with my kid as well.. So i do like her and her music,, but i must say although he is getting old and his voice is startring to break down a bit,, But John Amarante always gives me the goosebumps at the Garden. He gets the crowd PUMPED up which is then usually followed by a raucus LETS GO RANGERS chant.. hehehehe

[tfc3rid]

Back to Citi Field.

Great to see the first Pepsi Proch HR hit by Delgado last night... Was surprised Adrian Gonzalez's 9th inning homer went out...

[Jim Vaz]

Nice Island, I met KC in person and she was really great with my daughter , great photo pics with my kid as well.. So i do like her and her music,, but i must say although he is getting old and his voice is startring to break down a bit,, But John Amarante always gives me the goosebumps at the Garden. He gets the crowd PUMPED up which is then usually followed by a raucus LETS GO RANGERS chant.. hehehehe

Yea his voice is shot and he's older but NOBODY beats John Amarante!
His game 1994 game 7 singing still gives me goosebumps.

[CoreyNYC]

YOU were reaching. All I have said this morning from the beginning was that Kelly Clarkson is no better or worse than the WSS cast.


Like Jim and others have said, we're reaching (you, me, others) if we have to draw a comparison between NYS and Citi on this one.

[nymTom]

I cant listen anymore, Im going to Kick Evan Roberts ass, be back in a while. John Heyman is sticking up for CF and Joe and Evan say for the money you spend on a new Park you should see every part of the field.. Apparently these tards dont get it and cant understand simple Geometry. Pretty sad.. Its leik theyve never been to any other ballpark before..

[MrMet84]

I cant listen anymore, Im going to Kick Evan Roberts ass, be back in a while. John Heyman is sticking up for CF and Joe and Evan say for the money you spend on a new Park you should see every part of the field.. Apparently these tards dont get it and cant understand simple Geometry. Pretty sad.. Its leik theyve never been to any other ballpark before..

I used to listen to these guys....there really turning me onto just listening to my ipod or Pandora from 10-1. It's not that I disagree with what they are saying, that's sports talk radio, it's them being so naive and uninformed about what they are talking about. It's really just striking a wrong chord with me

[CoreyNYC]

I cant listen anymore, Im going to Kick Evan Roberts ass, be back in a while. John Heyman is sticking up for CF and Joe and Evan say for the money you spend on a new Park you should see every part of the field.. Apparently these tards dont get it and cant understand simple Geometry. Pretty sad.. Its leik theyve never been to any other ballpark before..

They are idiots.

I wonder if Evan, the big Nets fan, walks into the Izod Center and can't believe that they don't have Nets crap hanging up all over the place and that the starting lineup is a big mystery until they introduce the starters on the court.

[MrMet84]

They are idiots.

I wonder if Evan, the big Nets fan, walks into the Izod Center and can't believe that they don't have Nets crap hanging up all over the place and that the starting lineup is a big mystery until they introduce the starters on the court.

of coarse not. The only place I know that does really besides NYS is the good ol Coliseum, and thats only to just cover up how decrepit it's become. God i hope Lighthouse goes through soon.

[SteveJRogers]

Citi should have set a precedent and brought in like eminem or somebody to rap the national anthem. That would be unique and original.


Or maybe the Baha Men?

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT? HOOO HOOO!
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

[NYBase]

I just read a few pages back and it's hilarious people were arguing over Kelly Clarkson and West Side Story... hehehe.

[met_dream]

They are idiots.

I wonder if Evan, the big Nets fan, walks into the Izod Center and can't believe that they don't have Nets crap hanging up all over the place and that the starting lineup is a big mystery until they introduce the starters on the court.

Joe actually complained about seeing the rightfielder from the Pepsi Porch. Isn't this a given with seats like this? It's a goddamn overhang. RYS RF bleachers had the same view, but damn those seats were great for every other aspect of the game. No one complained, it was accepted because RYS was a BALLPARK. These morons act like they've never been inside a real ballpark before.

Pathetic!

[met_dream]

I just read a few pages back and it's hilarious people were arguing over Kelly Clarkson and West Side Story... hehehe.

They need to stop. It;s getting real gay in here.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Or maybe the Baha Men?

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT? HOOO HOOO!
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

I'm not sure where the Baha Men are from, but bringing in some NYC rap legends to put a take on the National Anthem (Detroiter Eminem doesn't qualify) would be pretty interesting. More interesting than a current pop star who may be forgotten in five years or even the new and unknown cast of a major long-beloved musical.

Go crazy. Aah aah aah aah aah.

[mandrake]

I'm not sure where the Baha Men are from, but bringing in some NYC rap legends to put a take on the National Anthem (Detroiter Eminem doesn't qualify) would be pretty interesting. More interesting than a current pop star who may be forgotten in five years or even the new and unknown cast of a major long-beloved musical.

Go crazy. Aah aah aah aah aah.

The Yanks have John Fogarty on the field right now singing "centerfield". He looks better than he did in 1969 !

[metsforever7515]

Or maybe the Baha Men?

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT? HOOO HOOO!
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

Who remembers when they made "Who Let the Mets Out"?
Anybody?

Anybody....?

[mandrake]

Who remembers when they made "Who Let the Mets Out"?
Anybody?

Anybody....?

Not me. But I admit I had a "Cubs buster" shirt back in 1984 and I think there was a lame version of that song around too. After the Cubs won the division and then the first two games of the NLCS, I recall Ron Cey shouting "where are the Cub busters now!!!". Then they went out and got SWEPT in San Diego.:dance:party:

Oh, I HATE the Cubs.......

[nymets3007]

Who remembers when they made "Who Let the Mets Out"?
Anybody?

Anybody....?

*Raises hand*

OOOOHHH OHHHH!!!! RIGHT HERE!!! TEACHER!!!!! :D

[Captain Cold Nose]

The Yanks have John Fogarty on the field right now singing "centerfield". He looks better than he did in 1969 !

Getting rid of bangs like he had will do that for anyone.

That is pretty cool, though.

[metsforever7515]

I mean I'm all for honoring the past, but the Yankees are calling John Flaherty a Legend? Really?

[metsforever7515]

*Raises hand*

OOOOHHH OHHHH!!!! RIGHT HERE!!! TEACHER!!!!! :D

WOO! :highfive:

I'm not alone here. :D

[mets16]

Now they bring on none other than "Lonn Trost." Surprise, Surprise. He's only been on the FAN 10 times over the last two weeks.

Beningo's first line to Trost. "This blows Citi Field away."

I'm officially done with this guy..... If I see him or Evan at Citi Field, I'm going to knock them out.

You know what? I've been to both. And other than the magnificent Great Hall, NYS is nothing but a new sterile stadium. The concourses are cold and the place itself is huge. Don't get me wrong, in most aspects they did better than Citi, but they are wayyyy too close to say one blows the other away.

[metsforever7515]

WE GOT A BIGGER FLAG! :hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:

Hey, we did something better than the Yankees for once, I'm happy.

[CoreyNYC]

I'm still waiting for Evan to whine about NYS not having lineups posted 2 hrs before the game starts.

[m8644]

Joe actually complained about seeing the rightfielder from the Pepsi Porch. Isn't this a given with seats like this? It's a goddamn overhang. RYS RF bleachers had the same view, but damn those seats were great for every other aspect of the game. No one complained, it was accepted because RYS was a BALLPARK. These morons act like they've never been inside a real ballpark before.

Pathetic!

The fact that joe an evan get paid to spew their complete crap is dispicable. They know NOTHING about baseball. Absolutely NOTHING. You could throw a dart out the window and hit someone with more knowledge.

[CoreyNYC]

WE GOT A BIGGER FLAG! :hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:

Hey, we did something better than the Yankees for once, I'm happy.

But the Yankees are more American than everyone else, they play God Bless America everyday and don't let you walk around during it.

[CFmets09]

OUR FLAG WAS BIGGER! Boom. Roasted

[mdnash]

OUR FLAG WAS BIGGER! Boom. Roasted

i was just thinking that. didnt want to add fuel to the fire though :silent: :crazy

[RayNY]

If you have kids, then you would understand that they get bored pretty easy, you can still see the game on the video board back there.

...They shouldn't have to suffer thru a 4 hour game. Years ago when games were like 2-2.5 hours it was different.

Are kids so spoiled these days that they can't even have fun at a ballgame that they even have to leave that and play in Kiddie Field now? What's the point of going to a ballgame then? Shea had no carnival out back. I guess all the kids who saw games at Shea must have suffered a grueling 3-4 hours of torture and heartache having to watch a baseball game. Poor kids.

IMO that whole carnival out back with the Kiddie Field, dunk tank, fun zone, etc., is a waste of space. All that space out there could've been utilized much better.

[metsforever7515]

i was just thinking that. didnt want to add fuel to the fire though :silent: :crazy

Pour that fuel! We did one thing better than the Yankees. You have to be happy.

[CFmets09]

Are kids so spoiled these days that they can't even have fun at a ballgame that they even have to leave that and play in Kiddie Field now? What's the point of going to a ballgame then? Shea had no carnival out back. I guess all the kids who saw games at Shea must have suffered a grueling 3-4 hours of torture and heartache having to watch a baseball game. Poor kids.

IMO that whole carnival out back with the Kiddie Field, dunk tank, fun zone, etc., is a waste of space. All that space out there could've been utilized much better.

How old are you, just curious

[nymets3007]

Okay, I have a theory to everyone that has a problem with Citi.

People are so used to a stadium that was the most proud of itself on the interior (Blue, orange, etc. seats; lots of blue in every corner) in the entire sport. Are the Tigers seats, or ANYWHERE in the field area orange? Same with the Giants. While I do understand that their is a very lacking history elsewhere, once I get to the field AREA, I only expect a ballgame.

Even saying that, with all of these green seats, THE APPLE is over my expectations of how much history to see in the field area!
I think it's time for people to drop comparing to Shea. While there is a history problem that needs to be addressed, enough complaining about the green interior. Talk to more than half of baseball about non-matching colors.


Sorry, but I had to rant :P

[Rob R]

YOU were reaching. All I have said this morning from the beginning was that Kelly Clarkson is no better or worse than the WSS cast.

YOU were reaching for even bringing up NYS or who's singing the National Anthem at NYS in a Citi Field Thread

[Rob R]

I'm still waiting for Evan to whine about NYS not having lineups posted 2 hrs before the game starts.

What is it with you and NYS? Let go of it already.

[Jim Vaz]

You know what? I've been to both. And other than the magnificent Great Hall, NYS is nothing but a new sterile stadium. The concourses are cold and the place itself is huge. Don't get me wrong, in most aspects they did better than Citi, but they are wayyyy too close to say one blows the other away.


I REALLY don't know what they are so gaga about.
LOOK, I understand the perspective of not showing enough Mets stuff, I GET IT. Hopefully the Mets will smarten up an do the right thing. Yankees, yes they did that right. The great hall is beautiful,.

But like you said, the concourses are sterile, they have these PUTRID looking white lights that look terrible running up the bottoms of the stands, they used this thick chicken wire as their railings that makes it look like a prison. All the "nice" stuff is on the outside or in ritzy areas, other then that the concourses are bland and its just the same concrete and cinder blocks they used at Citi, the place they keep bashing.

[BMF]

does anyone remember the album the mets had called lets get metsmorized? and whatever happened to lets go mets go?

[metsforever7515]

does anyone remember the album the mets had called lets get metsmorized? and whatever happened to lets go mets go?

I have "Lets Go Mets Go" on my iPod. Along with "And We Say... Let's Go Mets" From 2006. :D I have only heard of "Get Metsmerized" from The Bad Guys Won.

[CoreyNYC]

YOU were reaching for even bringing up NYS or who's singing the National Anthem at NYS in a Citi Field Thread

Wrong again, Troll. Let's take a walk down memory lane...

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1495126&postcount=5222

Kelly Clarkson to sing national anthem at NYS today...is that really any better than the cast of West Side Story the got some Mets fans so hot & bothered?

That was about METS Fans, genius.


What is it with you and NYS? Let go of it already.

That lineup comment is about EVAN ROBERTS, genius.

The NYS vs CF thread has been dormant for some time now, when can we all expect you to revive it (again) with lame Walmart Photoshops?

[Rob R]

Wrong again, Troll. Let's take a walk down memory lane...

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1495126&postcount=5222


That was about METS Fans, genius.



That lineup thing is about EVAN ROBERTS, genius. Tell us what other third rate "celebs" you know, to make yourself feel good.

The NYS vs CF thread has been dormant for some time now, when can we all expect you to revive it (again) with lame Photoshops?

Troll? Even Met fans are sick of your lies and pathetic nonsense.

[kingcohn]

does anyone remember the album the mets had called lets get metsmorized? and whatever happened to lets go mets go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc3cGTU3C0s

[KoosFan]

Can't say how annoying it was to see the Yanks Museum on their pre-game show today.
Well thought out and clearly as big a priority with them as it was at getting the rest of the stadium ready for opening day.

As much as I can't stand them, you have to give them their due, they get it:
baseball is a generational sport
it's all about heritage and history, (especially team history)
and the memories that go with them.
It's the ties that binds.

What do we get?
A collective pat on the head with a "there, there kids, Santa will bring you a Mets Museum soon, if you're good boys and girls."

Since it was made official at yesterday's JR-Day press conference,
that a formal exhibit at CF acknowledging 47 years of Mets history and fan loyalty
is at best "still in the works" and that it'll be "somewhere behind Centerfield",
we now know how much of a priority celebrating Mets (and METS ONLY) history is for ownership.

I suspected as much when they canceled Oldtimer's games a while back.
That pales by comparison.

They could have given us old farts a bone, with a SHEA CLUB or a PAYSON PORCH,
but no, CF is a trip down ownership's personal memory lane.
Screw the trust and responsibility you have as owners of the NY METS and their fans.
"It's my toy, I paid for it, if I want to hang up something from my past over this team's, that's how it goes."

"Hmmm, Whiffleball field, Ebbets Club or Mets Hall Of Fame?"

"Get that wiffleball field and Ebbets done asap, we'll figure out the METS HOF later."

In the meantime, you could have given us one bone, chief:

Oh the pain.

[CoreyNYC]

Troll? Even Met fans are sick of your lies and pathetic nonsense.

What part was a lie?

Did I make up the part about people complaining here about West Side Story?
Was Evan Roberts complaining about lineups not being posted early enough at Citi Field a lie of mine?

Please, do tell.

[Jim Vaz]

Can't say how annoying it was to see the Yanks Museum on their pre-game show today.
Well thought out and clearly as big a priority with them as it was at getting the rest of the stadium ready for opening day.

As much as I can't stand them, you have to give them their due, they get it:
baseball is a generational sport
it's all about heritage and history, (especially team history)
and the memories that go with them.
It's the ties that binds.

What do we get?
A collective pat on the head with a "there, there kids, Santa will bring you a Mets Museum soon, if you're good boys and girls."

Since it was made official at yesterday's JR-Day press conference,
that a formal exhibit at CF acknowledging 47 years of Mets history and fan loyalty
is at best "still in the works" and that it'll be "somewhere behind Centerfield",
we now know how much of a priority celebrating Mets (and METS ONLY) history is for ownership.

I suspected as much when they canceled Oldtimer's games a while back.
That pales by comparison.

They could have given us old farts a bone, with a SHEA CLUB or a PAYSON PORCH,
but no, CF is a trip down ownership's personal memory lane.
Screw the trust and responsibility you have as owners of the NY METS and their fans.
"It's my toy, I paid for it, if I want to hang up pictures from my past over the collective community's, that's how it goes."

"Hmmm, Whiffleball field or Mets Hall Of Fame?"

"Get that wiffleball field done asap, we'll figure out the METS HOF later."

In the meantime, you could have given us one bone, chief:

Oh the pain.


I've been critical with people who bash the venue itself because lets face it, Cit Field is beautiful! That part they got right! If you don't like it go back to the parking lot and make believe you're somewhere in that DUMP they called Shea!

However I echo your sentiments in regards to the way the Wilpons and the Mets disregarded their own history!

its SO TYPICAL of the second rate mets and the Wilpons to pull that. So typical! How they don't get it is beyond me. They just continue to add new chapters into the laughter and second rate circus that the Mets always seem to be. Its ALWAYS something!

And to think that the Mets museum was REPLACED so that a Verizon Studio could be put in its place, thats just insane and just shows you these hacks for owners will do ANYTHING for a fast buck!!!

[CoreyNYC]

ATTENTION ROB--THE FOLLOWING POST IS ABOUT EVAN ROBERTS

Just noticed that NYS scoreboard only has the lineup of the team currently batting posted.

Quick, someone tell Evan Roberts!

In comparison, the CF scoreboard always has both teams posted and even indicates who will lead off the next inning when the team currently in the field comes to the plate. Also, the Yankees ribbon board seems to have much less info than the one at CF. It is 90% advertising.

But of course, Evan will fail to mention all of this.

[Mary Ellen]

Since it was made official at yesterday's JR-Day press conference,
that a formal exhibit at CF acknowledging 47 years of Mets history and fan loyalty
is at best "still in the works" and that it'll be "somewhere behind Centerfield",
we now know how much of a priority celebrating Mets (and METS ONLY) history is for ownership.


Agreed. "In the works" was disheartening.

You know, watching the start of the Yankees game today - the NYS reminds me a little of Shea Stadium. Big and almost round.:silent:

[Jim Vaz]

Agreed. "In the works" was disheartening.

You know, watching the start of the Yankees game today - the NYS reminds me a little of Shea Stadium. Big and almost round.:silent:

Well you can have Shea and new YS and all its roundness
We have a BALL PARK, a nice one no less.

Again my only fault has been their utter lack of respect to the Mets heritage "inside" the place

[CoreyNYC]

Well you can have Shea and new YS and all its roundness
We have a BALL PARK, a nice one no less.

Again my only fault has been their utter lack of respect to the Mets heritage "inside" the place

I agree about the Mets stuff, but I also think CF isn't quite finished. Forget about Mets stuff, there is no advertising in the concourses or the bathrooms. Clearly, there is stuff to be added.

NYS reminds you guys of Shea because of the crappy upper deck (where I will be sitting for the big Pavano homecoming on Sunday). To quote John Sterling, "It is high, it is far."

[Rob R]

ATTENTION ROB--THE FOLLOWING POST IS ABOUT EVAN ROBERTS

Just noticed that NYS scoreboard only has the lineup of the team currently batting posted.

Quick, someone tell Evan Roberts!

In comparison, the CF scoreboard always has both teams posted and even indicates who will lead off the next inning when the team currently in the field comes to the plate. Also, the Yankees ribbon board seems to have much less info than the one at CF. It is 90% advertising.

But of course, Evan will fail to mention all of this.
So WHAT if he fails to mention this? Is everything in your world NYS vs Citi?

Look, there's so much to like about Citi. Relax, and don't worry about what anyone thinks about CF, or who thinks NYS is nicer, including Evan Freakin Roberts or Joe Bagofnino

[Rob R]

I agree about the Mets stuff, but I also think CF isn't quite finished. Forget about Mets stuff, there is no advertising in the concourses or the bathrooms. Clearly, there is stuff to be added.

NYS reminds you guys of Shea because of the crappy upper deck (where I will be sitting for the big Pavano homecoming on Sunday). To quote John Sterling, "It is high, it is far."
Yet another NYS comment. You're one jealous troll aint ya.

[nymTom]

ATTENTION ROB--THE FOLLOWING POST IS ABOUT EVAN ROBERTS

Just noticed that NYS scoreboard only has the lineup of the team currently batting posted.

Quick, someone tell Evan Roberts!

In comparison, the CF scoreboard always has both teams posted and even indicates who will lead off the next inning when the team currently in the field comes to the plate. Also, the Yankees ribbon board seems to have much less info than the one at CF. It is 90% advertising.

But of course, Evan will fail to mention all of this.


i agree that Evan Roberts is a turd But i think he was just saying that is something that was done at Shea and was surprised they didnt carry it over to the new park, as another reason to vent his dissappointment with the new scoreboards and ballpark

[CoreyNYC]

So WHAT if he fails to mention this? Is everything in your world NYS vs Citi?

Look, there's so much to like about Citi. Relax, and don't worry about what anyone thinks about CF, or who thinks NYS is nicer, including Evan Freakin Roberts or Joe Bagofnino

...says the guy who obsesses over CF advertising

[nymdan]

Can you guys stop bickering like an old married couple?

[Mary Ellen]

Well you can have Shea and new YS and all its roundness
We have a BALL PARK, a nice one no less.

Again my only fault has been their utter lack of respect to the Mets heritage "inside" the place

CF is a very nice ball park. The most attractive exterior in the majors and the interior almost as nice. I just think its funny that the life long dream of Mr. & Jr. Wilpon seems like it contains many half assed elements and makes it seem not so well thought out. The lack of Mets heritage being top on the list.

Just because people have nice memories of Shea does not mean they don't like or enjoy CF.

[CoreyNYC]

i agree that Evan Roberts is a turd But i think he was just saying that is something that was done at Shea and was surprised they didnt carry it over to the new park, as another reason to vent his dissappointment with the new scoreboards and ballpark

Tom, he was going on & on about it the other day, along with tons of other nonsensical complaints. The new scoreboards are clearly an improvement over the ones at Shea and info is all over the ribbon boards.

Shea was unique in that it had the lineups posted way before the game, very few if any ballparks have that posted. and I seriously doubt more than 5% of fans really care that that info is posted hours before the game

Do people miss that or are happy that the views from the seats are better, the food is better, the bathrooms don't flood, etc?

[Jim Vaz]

CF is a very nice ball park. The most attractive exterior in the majors and the interior almost as nice. I just think its funny that the life long dream of Mr. & Jr. Wilpon seems like it contains many half assed elements and makes it seem not so well thought out. The lack of Mets heritage being top on the list.

Just because people have nice memories of Shea does not mean they don't like or enjoy CF.

Its just so typical. Thank you for building this new park Fred, but can you just explain where you had this idea that 40 plus years of Mets history was only good enough or could only "fit" on the outside??

TRAVESTY!!!

[Jim Vaz]

I agree about the Mets stuff, but I also think CF isn't quite finished. Forget about Mets stuff, there is no advertising in the concourses or the bathrooms. Clearly, there is stuff to be added.

NYS reminds you guys of Shea because of the crappy upper deck (where I will be sitting for the big Pavano homecoming on Sunday). To quote John Sterling, "It is high, it is far."

I only hope. They have gotten enough heat in the last few days that it will be hard for them to ignore.

[enysteez]

The Wilpons should have made it a priority to have a Mets HOF or something of that effect ready for the fans by Opening Day. That being said why is it being made out to be something that was never planned until this "uproar" if you will? From the beginning there was always mention of a Mets museum or HOF going to put in place in the new stadium and albeit they dropped the ball with their prioritizing of it its still in the works and will come to fruition. Its not like they had no plans for it and smacked the fans in the face by leaving it out and now after some backlash are relenting and going to add it. Its always been something that they said would be included.

[RayNY]

How old are you, just curious

Twenty eight.

[tomzpc]

Could someone please tell Francesca that blind spots are inherent with multi-tiered outfield seating?

[nymTom]

Its just so typical. Thank you for building this new park Fred, but can you just explain where you had this idea that 40 plus years of Mets history was only good enough or could only "fit" on the outside??

TRAVESTY!!!

Yea now Fred says it in the works to buld the Mets Museum all awhile the Mets memorabilia is sitting in storage?? Im sorry but this is pathetic, and inexcusable. Being that they dont know exactly where its going to be, probably out past centerfield, this just means it was all an afterthought, Oh boy how can you be this stupid...

[Jim Vaz]

The Wilpons should have made it a priority to have a Mets HOF or something of that effect ready for the fans by Opening Day. That being said why is it being made out to be something that was never planned until this "uproar" if you will? From the beginning there was always mention of a Mets museum or HOF going to put in place in the new stadium and albeit they dropped the ball with their prioritizing of it its still in the works and will come to fruition. Its not like they had no plans for it and smacked the fans in the face by leaving it out and now after some backlash are relenting and going to add it. Its always been something that they said would be included.

Yea I here you, but if they can complete everything else, there is no reason why they could not have opened it when the stadium opened.
The bottom line is that the space that was allocated for that was given up for something called the "Verizon Studio".
They have the Verizon studio up before the Museum? Something is not right there about that.

[mandrake]

I've been critical with people who bash the venue itself because lets face it, Cit Field is beautiful! That part they got right! If you don't like it go back to the parking lot and make believe you're somewhere in that DUMP they called Shea!

However I echo your sentiments in regards to the way the Wilpons and the Mets disregarded their own history!

its SO TYPICAL of the second rate mets and the Wilpons to pull that. So typical! How they don't get it is beyond me. They just continue to add new chapters into the laughter and second rate circus that the Mets always seem to be. Its ALWAYS something!

And to think that the Mets museum was REPLACED so that a Verizon Studio could be put in its place, thats just insane and just shows you these hacks for owners will do ANYTHING for a fast buck!!!

Being a loyal fan does not mean having to accept BS from team officials. I really like the new park, period. But that does not mean that I have to accept anything Fred, Lil Jeff, or anyone else says at face value. You can not BS loyal fans.
When I went to the Red Sox game, Tom was there with a couple of real deal Mets fans. They were throwing out trivia questions that would stump Howie Rose. You sit with those guys, better bring your "A" game. These are the types of fans the Mets need to keep !
Say what you want about the Yankees, they are PROUD of their history.

[enysteez]

Yea I here you, but if they can complete everything else, there is no reason why they could not have opened it when the stadium opened.
The bottom line is that the space that was allocated for that was given up for something called the "Verizon Studio".
They have the Verizon studio up before the Museum? Something is not right there about that.

LOL And I hear you to bro and I agree wiht you. Thats wrong. But to act like I dont understand that is something else because I do understand it. Its called MONEY. Verizon is paying them to have a FiOs kiosk there to advertise their services and the Wilpons will take any payouts they can get. It is what it is. his is the times. Its obvious the place is still a bit of a work in progress and that there will be more signs and banners and things going up over the next few months anyone who has been there can see that. It wall all come out nice. Heck its already nice the ballpark is beautiful. My kids got a bit of a Mets history lesson and tour walking around Citi the first 2 times we went with all the banners and bricks and such. I assum eplenty of other young ones got the same lessons.

Should have been more of a priority but more to come and NONE of this has to do with the field. The field is great, the seats are great. I understand the complaints about the stairwells not being portals, not that portals wouldnt have their own viewing obstructions because they do and will. But OF seating in fair territory being as close as they are, and they are close the views are sick we all know it, will leave some blind spots and some sections more than others but those blind spots will be a problem seldemly as most of the action will still be in front of you and closer than ever before than at shea. That should be enough. That should be the big story. How much of an improvement it is over Shea.

I love Citi Field!!!

Let's Go Mets!

[tfc3rid]

Why does that space in the building in RF have to be retail space? That would be a perfect spot for a Mets Museum.

[enysteez]

Why does that space in the building in RF have to be retail space? That would be a perfect spot for a Mets Museum.

To me the perfect spot would be where the main Mets store is on the rotunda level. But of course, that is the best spot for a store also so duhhhh they went with the store lol. **bums**! lol

oops that was editied sorry...didnt know that was such a bad word. lol those fatherless people lol

[tfc3rid]

To me the perfect spot would be where the main Mets store is on the rotunda level. But of course, that is the best spot for a store also so duhhhh they went with the store lol. **bums**! lol

oops that was editied sorry...didnt know that was such a bad word. lol those fatherless people lol

From what I recall on the original plans for the ballpark. The area where the team store is now was supposed to be a Mets HOF display... The area in RF on the bottom floor of the building behind the porch was supposed to be the team store.

[mets16]

Why does that space in the building in RF have to be retail space? That would be a perfect spot for a Mets Museum.

:flow::flow::flow::flow: Sorry to say.

I am proud of Citi Field. We absolutely needed a new place to call home. I think many people thought we were going to open a "majestic" place, but were letdown when it was merely a ballpark. If we look at Citi Field, with a subjective eye, it is a magnificent place to watch baseball.

As for the Mets things, those are easy fixes. One road trip and they could hang banners, and put up pictures. Nobody think Citi as we see it is the finished product.

[KoosFan]

I only hope. They have gotten enough heat in the last few days that it will be hard for them to ignore.

It's a question of priorities.
Yankees (damn them) understand that if you make Yankee heritage a big deal, their fans make it a big deal and vice a versa.

We Met fans have ownership that doesn't make it a priority, no matter how much it is with us.

Are we always going to be the newbie expansion team in this town?

We're talking FORTY SEVEN YEARS people.
The Mets are more than two championships and two NL pennants btw.
The Marvelous Marvs and George The Storks are part of a rich and colorful history.

I absolutely love Citi Field as a place to see a game but I am disappointed
because baseball is more than just the game that's currently playing.
That disappointment becomes disgust when I pass the Ebbets Club.

Seeing it for what it is, a disrespectful taunt and reminder
that I love my team and its history more than the owners do.

[Jim Vaz]

LOL And I hear you to bro and I agree wiht you. Thats wrong. But to act like I dont understand that is something else because I do understand it. Its called MONEY. Verizon is paying them to have a FiOs kiosk there to advertise their services and the Wilpons will take any payouts they can get. It is what it is. his is the times. Its obvious the place is still a bit of a work in progress and that there will be more signs and banners and things going up over the next few months anyone who has been there can see that. It wall all come out nice. Heck its already nice the ballpark is beautiful. My kids got a bit of a Mets history lesson and tour walking around Citi the first 2 times we went with all the banners and bricks and such. I assum eplenty of other young ones got the same lessons.

Should have been more of a priority but more to come and NONE of this has to do with the field. The field is great, the seats are great. I understand the complaints about the stairwells not being portals, not that portals wouldnt have their own viewing obstructions because they do and will. But OF seating in fair territory being as close as they are, and they are close the views are sick we all know it, will leave some blind spots and some sections more than others but those blind spots will be a problem seldemly as most of the action will still be in front of you and closer than ever before than at shea. That should be enough. That should be the big story. How much of an improvement it is over Shea.

I love Citi Field!!!

Let's Go Mets!

And to be honest I think they did a GREAT job with the place. To me just about every facet of the facility was done right, from the bricks down to the green steel, the seating. I love the JR rotunds!
Yea the scoreboard and ads are too much but that is what it is.

I do have the issue with the way they dressed the place up with the mets and hopefully its going to be addressed. :thumbsup:

[johnql]

I think it's a fair statement to say that it's a general consensus here at BBF that there should be a Mets Museum or Hall of Fame, something that honors Mets history and heritage. I think it's also easy to assume that no one would want to pay extra to view or enter such a display. Unfortunately, "free" admission might be too much to expect in this day and age.

So, the question is, "How much would you be willing to pay as an admission fee to a Mets Museum?"

I bring this up because when I visited Cincinnati last summer they were charging $10 for their museum. Granted, the $10 does give you unlimited access till the end of the year (not a huge bonus for anyone just visiting the city).

Different stadiums treat their museums/halls of fame in different ways. Many of them include it as part of a tour for a fee. Here are a few examples:

Pirates - $7 for a tour, incl. Tour Theatre & Museum - 90 min.
Phillies - $9 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Club - 90 min.
Yankees - $20 for a tour, incl. Yankee Museum - 45 min.
Indians - $7.50 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Heritage Park - 60 min.

Like I said, obviously everybody would want a Mets Museum to be free. But realistically it probably won't be. So, how much are you willing to pay?

[nymdan]

I think it's a fair statement to say that it's a general consensus here at BBF that there should be a Mets Museum or Hall of Fame, something that honors Mets history and heritage. I think it's also easy to assume that no one would want to pay extra to view or enter such a display. Unfortunately, "free" admission might be too much to expect in this day and age.

So, the question is, "How much would you be willing to pay as an admission fee to a Mets Museum?"

I bring this up because when I visited Cincinnati last summer they were charging $10 for their museum. Granted, the $10 does give you unlimited access till the end of the year (not a huge bonus for anyone just visiting the city).

Different stadiums treat their museums/halls of fame in different ways. Many of them include it as part of a tour for a fee. Here are a few examples:

Pirates - $7 for a tour, incl. Tour Theatre & Museum - 90 min.
Phillies - $9 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Club - 90 min.
Yankees - $20 for a tour, incl. Yankee Museum - 45 min.
Indians - $7.50 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Heritage Park - 60 min.

Like I said, obviously everybody would want a Mets Museum to be free. But realistically it probably won't be. So, how much are you willing to pay?
Those tours may include a stop at the museum, but I'd assume they're open for free on game days, no?

[mets16]

It's a question of priorities.
Yankees (damn them) understand that if you make Yankee heritage a big deal, their fans make it a big deal and vice a versa.

We Met fans have ownership that doesn't make it a priority, no matter how much it is with us.

Are we always going to be the newbie expansion team in this town?

We're talking FORTY SEVEN YEARS people.
The Mets are more than two championships and two NL pennants btw.
The Marvelous Marvs and George The Storks are part of a rich and colorful history.

I absolutely love Citi Field as a place to see a game but I am disappointed
because baseball is more than just the game that's currently playing.
That disappointment becomes disgust when I pass the Ebbets Club.

Seeing it for what it is, a disrespectful taunt and reminder
that I love my team and its history more than the owners do.

What I don't get is Yankee fans embrace history that they were alive for a quarter of. Many Mets fans were alive throughout the team history. There is no way we could make the players "gods" like the Yankees do. We can't say that Ron Swoboda called a home run shot, because video would prove otherwise. Many Yankee moments were off the record, making it easier to glorify less than perfect men.

[enysteez]

From what I recall on the original plans for the ballpark. The area where the team store is now was supposed to be a Mets HOF display... The area in RF on the bottom floor of the building behind the porch was supposed to be the team store.

Yeah see that to me wouldve made much more sense. But you have to agree that the current configuration makes more business ense. More exposure to the goods in the rotunda than off to RF.

[johnql]

Those tours may include a stop at the museum, but I'd assume they're open for free on game days, no?
It varies with the stadium. In Cincinnati (my most recent non-NY stadium), there was a small lobby area that had a few display cases. That area was free to all anytime. However, if you wanted to see the rest of the museum, it was $10. You'll need to check each team's web site. Some of them do allow the museum/hof area to be accessed freely; others don't.

[tfc3rid]

Yeah see that to me wouldve made much more sense. But you have to agree that the current configuration makes more business ense. More exposure to the goods in the rotunda than off to RF.

Of course... I have no problem with that... Considering what its been like to get in there, that has been very successful.

Of course there needs to be a place for Mets heritage memorabilia... There needs to be a home for things like was up in the Diamond Club at Shea.

But to use that as the impetus for hating Citi Field is insane. If you have been to the ballpark, it really is stunning and it's an awesome place to watch a ballgame.

[CoreyNYC]

I think it's a fair statement to say that it's a general consensus here at BBF that there should be a Mets Museum or Hall of Fame, something that honors Mets history and heritage. I think it's also easy to assume that no one would want to pay extra to view or enter such a display. Unfortunately, "free" admission might be too much to expect in this day and age.

So, the question is, "How much would you be willing to pay as an admission fee to a Mets Museum?"

I bring this up because when I visited Cincinnati last summer they were charging $10 for their museum. Granted, the $10 does give you unlimited access till the end of the year (not a huge bonus for anyone just visiting the city).

Different stadiums treat their museums/halls of fame in different ways. Many of them include it as part of a tour for a fee. Here are a few examples:

Pirates - $7 for a tour, incl. Tour Theatre & Museum - 90 min.
Phillies - $9 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Club - 90 min.
Yankees - $20 for a tour, incl. Yankee Museum - 45 min.
Indians - $7.50 for a tour, incl. Hall of Fame Heritage Park - 60 min.

Like I said, obviously everybody would want a Mets Museum to be free. But realistically it probably won't be. So, how much are you willing to pay?

I took the PNC tour last season, there was no theater/museum.
HoF club at CBP is a club area, like the Caesars Club.
Yankee Museum is open to the public for free on game days

The Mets Museum will be free, I am sure

[CoreyNYC]

Yeah see that to me wouldve made much more sense. But you have to agree that the current configuration makes more business ense. More exposure to the goods in the rotunda than off to RF.

Plus the rotunda location is accessible to the public 7 days a week. That wouldn't have been possible in RF

[enysteez]

On the Yankee thing, its not fair to compare their attachment to their history and heritage to ours. They have been around damn near as long as baseball has been in these parts. We havnt. We have only ONE/1 player to have thier # retired. One. But some people want statues and busts of all the players we just liked? Rooted for? I LOVE Keith Hernandez but we dont need any statues of him. I can understand Seaver getting a statue maybe sometime in the future cause he is one of the great ones. But the list is very small of players who truly deserve these types of honors as Mets. I think Piazza will finally get his # retired here when he enters the HOF and he deserves it and then we can have a Seaver to Piazza pitch statue or somn lol just to make everyone happy.

With the Mets its more about our moments and less about our individual players or championsips.

[MrMet84]

What I don't get is Yankee fans embrace history that they were alive for a quarter of. Many Mets fans were alive throughout the team history. There is no way we could make the players "gods" like the Yankees do. We can't say that Ron Swoboda called a home run shot, because video would prove otherwise. Many Yankee moments were off the record, making it easier to glorify less than perfect men.

:clapping
very well put

[umwol13]

I have an extra for tonight game. If anyone wants it, PM me and it's yours...just don't complain about the seat location and the 15 sq ft in LF that you can't see.

[johnql]

I took the PNC tour last season, there was no theater/museum.
HoF club at CBP is a club area, like the Caesars Club.
Yankee Museum is open to the public for free on game days

The Mets Museum will be free, I am sure

Maybe PNC added the Theatre/Museum this year. They didn't have it two years ago when I was there either.

Don't be so sure that the Mets Museum will be free. I would definitely not make that assumption.

[Jim Vaz]

What I don't get is Yankee fans embrace history that they were alive for a quarter of. Many Mets fans were alive throughout the team history. There is no way we could make the players "gods" like the Yankees do. We can't say that Ron Swoboda called a home run shot, because video would prove otherwise. Many Yankee moments were off the record, making it easier to glorify less than perfect men.

:( So right.

Most of us were alive to see Seaver and Buckners slow roller. Most Yankee fans today were not even born before babe Ruth died.
We have a history, a proud one!
They got the National league portion right, they got the Dodgers and Giants thing, now just put it OVER THE TOP with the METS!!!

[enysteez]

I have an extra for tonight game. If anyone wants it, PM me and it's yours...just don't complain about the seat location and the 15 sq ft in LF that you can't see.

:laugh

Hilarious disclaimer...lol

[KoosFan]

What I don't get is Yankee fans embrace history that they were alive for a quarter of. Many Mets fans were alive throughout the team history. There is no way we could make the players "gods" like the Yankees do. We can't say that Ron Swoboda called a home run shot, because video would prove otherwise. Many Yankee moments were off the record, making it easier to glorify less than perfect men.

Even more of a reason to celebrate our "heroes".

Met fans are a unique breed.
Instead of rooting for the "ICONS" across town, we root for a team that's as flawed yet as real as we are.
We're not "gods" nor are our Mets.
In their history, the Mets are more synonymous with over-achieving than with crushing their competition dynasty after dynasty.
Each of our WS victory has had more to do with miracles than pure dominance.
As Mets fans we're drawn to that "against all odds" magic.

Celebrating the Mets past is akin to heralding our own since we've chosen the tougher team to cheer.
It's far easier to clap for the perennial winners. Who hates to lose?
And in this town, Mets fans buck that logic.

We're owed that kind of formal nod, a monument to the Mets mindset: loyalty and community before "win whatever the cost".

BUILD THE METS MUSEUM NOW.

[VekterNYM]

I'm a big Mets Fan, but I don't have a HUGE rush to see a Mets Hall Of Fame. I've been to a handful of ballparks and I never had an interest of seeing their respective Hall Of Fame, except for Monument Park back at RYS - which I never got to see. If it takes a year for them to add it to Citi Field - it is really going to affect the reason why we went to a ballgame in the first place...to see the team on the field. I mean I can honestly say out of 47 years of history, how many do you really want to be remembered? I'm going to have a fit if they don't have the pitching rubber from Anthony Young's record breaking loss or a replica of Turk Wendell's shark-tooth necklace or perhaps a statue of Henderson and Bonilla's card game?! I mean if they don't have that in there I'm going to be complaining until they can get back on my good side when they have Clay Aiken sing the National Anthem - because we NEED to have an American Idol person to appease the thousands. Overall, I'd like to see a Mets HOF as a tribute to the handful of greats we've had in past years, but there is no rush for it unless you want to quiet all the complainers.


ALSO!
I went to last nights game, and this guy was complaining "Oh, I don't see the Mets logo anywhere!?" I told his group - well, I don't recall seeing any Mets logos in Shea Stadium from your seats either besides the skyline" Then they argued saying that there are too much ads, saying that in the old days, the ads were BEHIND home plate. I told them that is impossible. Then, the guy complained that there are no Mets banners, I showed him pictures of the banners outside, and he was like "Wow! I didn't see that!" - yeah, obviously.

He also complained about Dodgers stuff, which I don't see besides some little corner of shirts/jackets in the Team Store - as I said before Philadelphia Phillies have Philadelphia Athletics hats, and Brewers have Milwaukee Braves gear too.

[nymTom]

amazing how many people are calling up and complaining about the seats and their views. I dont know who to beleive but the amount of people complaining is overwhelming. i dont know what they will be able to do to fix the problem cause you cant just rip out the entire upper and lower seating bowl.. Geez! what a disaster..

[Coach Bombay]

Is Francesa talking about this website?

[RayNY]

I'm very surprised at the change of tone this thread has taken since like 2 days ago. Just 2 days ago I was relaying the same message that there outta be more Mets heritage around this ballpark, including a HOF/museum, and I had to fight off wave after wave of people telling me to stop complaining and I'm wrong and I should just drink the Kool-aid that the Wilpons feed me. It's good to see more people can share my opinion now.

[umwol13]

:( So right.

Most of us were alive to see Seaver and Buckners slow roller. Most Yankee fans today were not even born before babe Ruth died.
We have a history, a proud one!
They got the National league portion right, they got the Dodgers and Giants thing, now just put it OVER THE TOP with the METS!!!

And let's not forget the internet. If you really are interested in Mets history, the internet will bring you way more knowledge than the proposed museum at CF could. Running a non-mediocre museum isn't a walk in the park (pun intended), it takes a ton of resource to keep people coming back. That brings us to another issue, how many repeat visitors will you get? Speaking as a season ticket holder, I'll probably only visit once if they don't have new exhibits. And realistically speaking, how many fans in the ballpark are first time visitors which will probably make up a vast majority of the proposed Museum's patrons. Bottomline, a mediocre museum of the Mets would only cheapen our image and our ballpark.

[Jim Vaz]

I'm very surprised at the change of tone this thread has taken since like 2 days ago. Just 2 days ago I was relaying the same message that there outta be more Mets heritage around this ballpark, including a HOF/museum, and I had to fight off wave after wave of people telling me to stop complaining and I'm wrong and I should just drink the Kool-aid that the Wilpons feed me. It's good to see more people can share my opinion now.

Well like I said, I LOVE the ball park, I love what they have done. That part they got right.
To me they just left out the othercessentials and that is the homage to the Mets who have been in this town for almost 50 years.
The museum should have been done. The banners and pictures and other memorbelia throughout the concourse should yell METS!
NO, not the 1980s tacky orange and blue clown car look they adopted at Shea, but the CLASSIC that is the METS!!

[umwol13]

amazing how many people are calling up and complaining about the seats and their views. I dont know who to beleive but the amount of people complaining is overwhelming. i dont know what they will be able to do to fix the problem cause you cant just rip out the entire upper and lower seating bowl.. Geez! what a disaster..

Can you blame them for wanting first row seats behind the plate for the price of nose-bleed tickets?:laugh

[Jim Vaz]

And let's not forget the internet. If you really are interested in Mets history, the internet will bring you way more knowledge than the proposed museum at CF could. Running a non-mediocre museum isn't a walk in the park (pun intended), it takes a ton of resource to keep people coming back. That brings us to another issue, how many repeat visitors will you get? Speaking as a season ticket holder, I'll probably only visit once if they don't have new exhibits. And realistically speaking, how many fans in the ballpark are first time visitors which will probably make up a vast majority of the proposed Museum's patrons. Bottomline, a mediocre museum of the Mets would only cheapen our image and our ballpark.

Well they didn't do a cheap job on the JR Rotunda, so I would hope they would do the same for a museum.

And even if its too much to ask for that museum, fine, just put up those same picture and banners and MORE on the inside as you did outside.

[tfc3rid]

amazing how many people are calling up and complaining about the seats and their views. I dont know who to beleive but the amount of people complaining is overwhelming. i dont know what they will be able to do to fix the problem cause you cant just rip out the entire upper and lower seating bowl.. Geez! what a disaster..

Disgruntled fans who 'miss' the 'cheap seats'...

Please... These people clearly have never been in one of the new HOK facilities.

[Petemc1969]

I've heard that they are putting an Outback Steakhouse on the right-field side of 126th Street, but what are they putting on the center-field side of 126th Street? I think it originally was the union workers' shop during construction....

[umwol13]

Well they didn't do a cheap job on the JR Rotunda, so I would hope they would do the same for a museum.

And even if its too much to ask for that museum, fine, just put up those same picture and banners and MORE on the inside as you did outside.

Okay, I'm just curious how many people have actually been to every corner of CF the past 2 games. Personally, I was too busy watching the game on opening night to go exploring the ballpark but I do see huge banners outside LF (only place I've been thus far is LF promenade and the rotunda and that was just to get to my seats in time for opening ceremony) with images from the 86 season. I'm just saying, MAYBE there are more than meets the eye because many of us haven't been everywhere. Just saying.

[lorwood]

I am a commercial construction project manager so I think I can shed some insight,
The Wilpons married themselves to the Ebbits field design early on. This design which is narrow was a necessity for the Brooklyn Dodgers based on site location.The Mets had no such considerations and had to know early on that there would be issues. Everybody likes to put down the cookie cutter parks built in the sixties and seventies but these parks were built by design to offer the best sight lines possible for all. Ballparks built in the twenties and thirties were infamous for obstructed views and it was not all caused by columns. It is simply not possible to build such a narrow park and offer great sight lines. Think of it this way in order to see a panoramic view of anything you have to pull back.

The open concourse design would never have been considered in the Three rivers Shea Stadium type of park. The tunnel design is ideal for large parks as is evident with the placement of the staircases at Citi.

The bottom line is that these issues are insurmountable and the Mets will have to live with them.

[Shbmets]

Yes it's true. I just came back from the Hard Rock Cafe at Yankee Stadium.

Tried to get tickets after the game started. No luck. Beningo and Roberts were doing the show live from the HRC. No I didn't get a chance to knock him out. Too much security :)

However, I did tell him that although I agreed with some of his rant (lack of banners/museum, etc.), he needs to ease up on the Citi Field bashing.

He was actually a very cool guy. I caught him during a 20/20 break. If you think he's passionate on the air he was ranting to me how annoyed he was at the Mets shortcuts at Citi Field. Right after the commercials, he and Evan went right back to bashing the lack of Mets history.

Actually it was pretty surreal seeing two Mets fans at Yankee Stadium bashing Citi Field.

[mandrake]

I have an extra for tonight game. If anyone wants it, PM me and it's yours...just don't complain about the seat location and the 15 sq ft in LF that you can't see.

I think this is a really cool thing to do ! In this day of sell, sell, sell, it's a breathe of fresh air !

[KoosFan]

I am a commercial construction project manager so I think I can shed some insight,
The Wilpons married themselves to the Ebbits field design early on. This design which is narrow was a necessity for the Brooklyn Dodgers based on site location.The Mets had no such considerations and had to know early on that there would be issues. Everybody likes to put down the cookie cutter parks built in the sixties and seventies but these parks were built by design to offer the best sight lines possible for all. Ballparks built in the twenties and thirties were infamous for obstructed views and it was not all caused by columns. It is simply not possible to build such a narrow park and offer great sight lines. Think of it this way in order to see a panoramic view of anything you have to pull back.

The open concourse design would never have been considered in the Three rivers Shea Stadium type of park. The tunnel design is ideal for large parks as is evident with the placement of the staircases at Citi.

The bottom line is that these issues are insurmountable and the Mets will have to live with them.

Does that mean that the Promenade stairs are impossible to turn into Portals?

(btw - the Mets had to build CF right next to Shea in the space available to them in the parking lot, so they did have deal with some restrictions).

[mandrake]

I am a commercial construction project manager so I think I can shed some insight,
The Wilpons married themselves to the Ebbits field design early on. This design which is narrow was a necessity for the Brooklyn Dodgers based on site location.The Mets had no such considerations and had to know early on that there would be issues. Everybody likes to put down the cookie cutter parks built in the sixties and seventies but these parks were built by design to offer the best sight lines possible for all. Ballparks built in the twenties and thirties were infamous for obstructed views and it was not all caused by columns. It is simply not possible to build such a narrow park and offer great sight lines. Think of it this way in order to see a panoramic view of anything you have to pull back.

The open concourse design would never have been considered in the Three rivers Shea Stadium type of park. The tunnel design is ideal for large parks as is evident with the placement of the staircases at Citi.

The bottom line is that these issues are insurmountable and the Mets will have to live with them.

One of my fave old parks was Comiskey. Great sightlines except for posts. If you were behind a post, you suffered. If you were in front of the post, you were in heaven. I guess those ball parks needed posts.

As a construction project manager, what would have been the problem(s) if you did not have the staircases up to the Prom and instead went with portals. Other than this issue, I don't mind losing a corner here and there.
But if they went with stairs in order to save 20 extra seats per section, it backfired. What are your opinions based on your experiences?

[CoreyNYC]

Does that mean that the Promenade stairs are impossible to turn into Portals?

(btw - the Mets had to build CF right next to Shea in the space available to them in the parking lot, so they did have deal with some restrictions).

They could have also built in the parking lot behind home at Shea, instead of the OF.

[keyman]

There is NO Becks Beer ad on the Field Level !!!! :hissyfit:

[Shbmets]

I'm very surprised at the change of tone this thread has taken since like 2 days ago. Just 2 days ago I was relaying the same message that there outta be more Mets heritage around this ballpark, including a HOF/museum, and I had to fight off wave after wave of people telling me to stop complaining and I'm wrong and I should just drink the Kool-aid that the Wilpons feed me. It's good to see more people can share my opinion now.

I've been in agreement from the beginning right there with you. Love the stadium, hate the lack of Mets history. It's the first thing I noticed when I went to the St. John's game. I even asked a security guard where the Mets Hall of Fame was. He said "there isn't one here." I gave them the benefit of the doubt when I saw the darkened windows/door of what is now the Verizon Studio.

Then I went to the first Mets/Sox game and saw the Verizon Studios Coming Soon sign. At that point, I knew nothing else was coming.

I'm sure the Mets are scrambling right now to get pictures, lithographs, banners, etc. printed. They are clearly reacting to the fans dislikes. In a crazy way Mike Francesa may have pushed them to act after getting David Howard on the show.

[mandrake]

Does that mean that the Promenade stairs are impossible to turn into Portals?

(btw - the Mets had to build CF right next to Shea in the space available to them in the parking lot, so they did have deal with some restrictions).

Yes, but Ebbets was built at Montgomery, McKeever, Sullivan and Bedford.
They had to fit it inside a city block that was not a square or even a rectangle. It was a very odd shaped city block. Bedford Ave was considered a major street, and that is why RF was only 301 feet with a high fence. The Dodgers asked NYC if they could build RF stands on Bedford Ave and NYC refused to close the street.

The Mets could have adjusted any dimensions to Citi.

[nymdan]

Does that mean that the Promenade stairs are impossible to turn into Portals?
Without any knowledge of construction, I'd say yes it would be impossible to change, because the concourse is too narrow to handle stairs sticking out into the concourse.


I'd assume that in the original plans, the promenade reserved was pushed forward towards the promenade box since they didn't need room for the stairs in front, so that would have given more room in the concourse for the portal stairs.

[KoosFan]

Yes, but Ebbets was built at Montgomery, McKeever, Sullivan and Bedford.
They had to fit it inside a city block that was not a square or even a rectangle. It was a very odd shaped city block. Bedford Ave was considered a major street, and that is why RF was only 301 feet with a high fence. The Dodgers asked NYC if they could build RF stands on Bedford Ave and NYC refused to close the street.

The Mets could have adjusted any dimensions to Citi.

Not if they wanted it to be Ebbets 2009 instead of METS BALLPARK.

The Promenade stairs are inexcusable and so is not making a Mets Museum a priority.
Despite previous mentions to the contrary, it is clearly a "we'll get to it when we get to it".

There's probably a storage closet somewhere at CF that's being cleaned out now to make room for it.

[Gary Dunaier]

What time were you there Gary? I got up to the Prom around 7 and there were NO PROGRAMS IN THE ENTIRE STADIUM! :hissyfit:

I'm surprised they didn't break out the regular program for the month or so for people who didn't mind not getting the limited edition.

In fact, walking around the stadium I saw NO ONE walking around or sitting with a program. Its like only collectors looking to unload them on ebay or something gobbled them all up.

I was waiting on line 45 minutes before the gates opened. I don't doubt they were sold out by the time you got there... ten minutes before the first pitch. I know from experience that if you show up by then expecting to get a program you're going to be very disappointed... as you were. :(

The Opening Day program was $8... the regular program, which will be available during April and was first sold at last night's game, was $5 so from a fiscal standpoint offering the regular program after the Opening Day version sold out was presumably not an option.

Apart from the cover (and the price), the only difference between the Opening Day program and the regular program is that the OD version had 8 extra pages - welcoming letters from Governor Paterson, Mayor Bloomberg and Borough President Marshall, a articles on Opening Day at Shea, Shea and Polo Grounds "firsts," and a page for the fan to write in Citi Field "firsts." (The program for the exhibition games v. Boston, which sold for $5 and also had a special cover, also has 8 extra pages; the same welcoming letters, plus articles about the 1986 World Series and the 2009 Red Sox roster.)

Incidentally, I got four programs: two for me, and two to send to out-of-town friends.

[nymdan]

Incidentally, I got four programs: two for me, and two to send to out-of-town friends.
Out of town "friends" who will pay you for them on eBay? :-)

[EasilyFound]

Is Francesa talking about this website?


No, but I think he's talking about this (http://www.metspolice.com/2009/04/most-popular-on-mets-police-this-week.html) one.

[dstoffa]

There is NO Becks Beer ad on the Field Level !!!! :hissyfit:

What about the Excelsior Level? :rofl:

[nymTom]

haha all these complaints. i wonder if Shea stadium is saying, bet ya's miss my big ole round ass now.., hahaha

[KoosFan]

Without any knowledge of construction, I'd say yes it would be impossible to change, because the concourse is too narrow to handle stairs sticking out into the concourse.


I'd assume that in the original plans, the promenade reserved was pushed forward towards the promenade box since they didn't need room for the stairs in front, so that would have given more room in the concourse for the portal stairs.


You're probably right, but one can hope.
Does anyone have a side view picture of how much these stairs behind home cross into the Promenade concourse?

[KoosFan]

haha all these complaints. i wonder if Shea stadium is saying, bet ya's miss my big ole round ass now.., hahaha

Shea sucked. No amount of wishful thinking will change that.

[Gary Dunaier]

I remember that for Opening Day 1993 , First Rockies game ever, I was not able to get programs at Shea, but I was able to mail in for copies.

I've got a (non-digital) picture somewhere in my archives of the Shea scoreboard flashing the message "Now is a good time to buy your program for today's game" with the scoreboard clock showing to be around 12.30pm... and I found that hilarious because I knew by that time the programs were all sold out.

[tfc3rid]

haha all these complaints. i wonder if Shea stadium is saying, bet ya's miss my big ole round ass now.., hahaha

I don't miss Shea and I have personally no problem or issue with Citi Field. Some people do and that's their thing but Citi Field is exactly what I thought it would be, in the vein of every new HOK park that has been built.

You can't sit in the Promenade Level and tell me that the view looking from infield to outfield is unique in MLB.

[met_dream]

breaking news!!
The Indians just hit a couple balls into the NYS right field corner. I wonder how many people will call the FAN tonight complaining they didn't see Swisher field the ball?

Will it be a travesty?

Because I guarantee that everyone in that stadium wasn't able to see those plays.

[tfc3rid]

breaking news!!
The Indians just hit a couple balls into the NYS right field corner. I wonder how many people will call the FAN tonight complaining they didn't see Swisher field the ball?

Will it be a travesty?

Because I guarantee that everyone in that stadium wasn't able to see those plays.

They won't... Why? Because to them, everything the Yankees does is for the best of the fans... So they were simply trying to recreate the feel of OYS.

The Wilpons get crucified for building a palce with three tier in LF fair territory, just like, Camden Yards, the Gold Standard.

And, of course, they want Met fans to go out of their way to look bad... Which some are doing a great job of...

[CoreyNYC]

We will definitely hear complaints about the upper decak at NYS and we will hear a lot of complaints about their seats being worse because of price increases and that they didn't need a new stadium.

[nymTom]

Shea sucked. No amount of wishful thinking will change that.

Ouch , i was joking, damn dont kick the girl while she is long gone.. Guys all im saying is, Besides on this site, ive yet to hear someone talk positively about the ballpark, and not just from callers on the wfan, Its incredible!!!

[tfc3rid]

Ouch , i was joking, damn dont kick the girl while she is long gone.. Guys all im saying is, Besides on this site, ive yet to hear someone talk positively about the ballpark, and not just from callers on the wfan, Its incredible!!!

Not true... In fact, the callers to FAN are the only ones I've heard who have issues with the place.

[dstoffa]

You're probably right, but one can hope.
Does anyone have a side view picture of how much these stairs behind home cross into the Promenade concourse?

This is a different beast. Behind home plate, the portals are higher then they need to be to make room for the club beneath them.

You'd need the length of a baseline stairway, plus an additional 3 feet for the landing.

My guess is they'd come close to compromising the flow of the concourse. They may have to be choosey in where they put the portals.. In areas NOT near bottlenecks.

[nymTom]

We will definitely hear complaints about the upper decak at NYS and we will hear a lot of complaints about their seats being worse because of price increases and that they didn't need a new stadium.

I dont know OYS was up close and you couldnt see the corners at all, so im sure the only complaints the new upper deck will be the price and that they feel alot further from the field. Its the exact opposite, Yankee fans were used to obstructed sitelines in the corners and Mets fan werent with Shea, now Citi is more like OYs and New YS is more like Shea,, Weird huh??

[met_dream]

They won't... Why? Because to them, everything the Yankees does is for the best of the fans... So they were simply trying to recreate the feel of OYS.

The Wilpons get crucified for building a palce with three tier in LF fair territory, just like, Camden Yards, the Gold Standard.

And, of course, they want Met fans to go out of their way to look bad... Which some are doing a great job of...

True. I think what we have working against us is a bunch of very, very ignorant Mets fans that are inherently miserable people.

On a side note..... Cleveland 9-Yanks 1. What a disaster!

[nymTom]

Not true... In fact, the callers to FAN are the only ones I've heard who have issues with the place.

why are you saying NOT true?? ive heard from people i know that went to the game and had complaints, also do you think the callers on the wfan are really NOT Mets fans. a complaint is a complaint

[CFmets09]

9-1 indians, shhhh

[KoosFan]

Not true... In fact, the callers to FAN are the only ones I've heard who have issues with the place.

That's unfortunate since negativity on broadcast airwaves makes it easier for perceptions to become warped on a large scale.

Case in point being the morons at Fox News.

[tfc3rid]

why are you saying NOT true?? ive heard from people i know that went to the game and had complaints, also do you think the callers on the wfan are really NOT Mets fans. a complaint is a complaint

I've read newspaper articles that have praied the place and compared it favorable to PNC, AT&T, Safeco...

I think that some complaints are legit but some are not... Not seeing the out of town board because you are sitting under it is not legit. Why? Because they show the out of town scores on the ribbon boards, along with pitch count, average, ERA, balls-strikes-outs...

[tfc3rid]

That's unfortunate since negativity on broadcast airwaves makes it easier for perceptions to become warped on a large scale.

Case in point being the morons at Fox News.

Yes... And I am personally seeing that in people who have come to ask what I think of it.

Everyone I have spoken to here at work who have been there loves it...

[nymTom]

9-1 indians, shhhh

Its 10-1 now, hahaha

[citifaithful]

Not true... In fact, the callers to FAN are the only ones I've heard who have issues with the place.

That's very true. I've had random strangers just start talking to me at the games, expressing how much they love the park. It's really like bizarro world.

[keyman]

Ha ha the guy singing god bless america at the yankee game is wearing a blue and orange tie !!!!

[tfc3rid]

That's very true. I've had random strangers just start talking to me at the games, expressing how much they love the park. It's really like bizarro world.

Same here... Folks sitting around my seats have expressed nothing but amazement. They felt the place was a great place to eat, mingle and watch a ballgame.

[CoreyNYC]

BTW, I love how a handful of people calling WFAN over the last few days has caused Francessa to state this is a major issue. I sat in Sec 125, Row 7 last night. A $150 seat and I couldn't see the LF corner. I didn't care because I HAD A GREAT VIEW and nothing happened over there.

People, especially nowadays, are complainers. Plus people are much more to go out of their way to complain than praise. I guarantee you that everyone at WFAN gets more hate mail than praise mail.

Some of the complaints I have heard are idiotic and/or selfish:
--The bathroom is too far for my 80 year old dad (and this is the stadium's fault how?)
--Box seats were better because the row was tiny (eliminating boxes means more room for more good seats, which is why no new stadium has them)
--I can't see the big scoreboard (that's why there are TV's, ribbon boards, etc. there are seats in pretty much every park that have a poor scoreboard view)
--I didn't know about missing a certain part of the field from my seats because the online viewer was broken (REALLY?)
--I can't see 5-10% of the field (where plays rarely occur but the view of the rest of the field is GREAT)
--the scoreboards aren't good (WTF?)
--no lineups posted 2 hrs before game (Evan Roberts only, NO ONE ELSE cares about this)

[tomkaz]

i stat in front of a guy from san diego at last night's game. he said the park was beautiful and lot like Petco park, but he said petco was jsut a little bit nicer. he also voiced his displeasure at all those empty high priced seats behind home plate. he said the mets should sell thse to the real fans in the upper deck for less then they are asking right now....DO YOU HERE THAT METS OWNERSHIP???

[nymTom]

I've read newspaper articles that have praied the place and compared it favorable to PNC, AT&T, Safeco...

I think that some complaints are legit but some are not... Not seeing the out of town board because you are sitting under it is not legit. Why? Because they show the out of town scores on the ribbon boards, along with pitch count, average, ERA, balls-strikes-outs...

well any moron who buys seats in LF under the overhang and then complains they cant see the out of town scoreboard is an extreme A-hole. I mean did you really think you could see it,, some people are just CLUELESS

[met_dream]

why are you saying NOT true?? ive heard from people i know that went to the game and had complaints, also do you think the callers on the wfan are really NOT Mets fans. a complaint is a complaint

I have heard plenty of great reviews from media and fans alike. The callers on FAN can barely speak coherent sentences, so I'm not surprised that Joey the mop guy at the local peep show is disgusted his $18 seats aren't perfect.

[tfc3rid]

I have heard plenty of great reviews from media and fans alike. The callers on FAN can barely speak coherent sentences, so I'm not surprised that Joey the mop guy at the local peep show is disgusted his $18 seats aren't perfect.

Amen bro... My $25 seats that I spent $4K on are not perfect but they are fantastic compared to my more expensive seats from Shea last year in the Upper Box.

[met_dream]

well any moron who buys seats in LF under the overhang and then complains they cant see the out of town scoreboard is an extreme A-hole. I mean did you really think you could see it,, some people are just CLUELESS

Joe Beningo actually lodged that same complaint today. He is just as clueless as all of them and adds fuel to the fire. Did that Jersey tard ever set foot in right or left field of RYS? GReat views, but you were damn sure not gonna expect to see the fielder shag a deep fly ball.

[Gary Dunaier]

I wonder what that first game ever in 1962 at Sportsman's Park is worth today?

Saltzy has one... it's not even a program in the sense that we think of them, it's literally just a four-page scorecard folder... he was nice enough to send me scans, and I hope he won't mind my sharing them here...

[tfc3rid]

Joe Beningo actually lodged that same complaint today. He is just as clueless as all of them and adds fuel to the fire. Did that Jersey tard ever set foot in right or left field of RYS? GReat views, but you were damn sure not gonna expect to see the fielder shag a deep fly ball.

Well at NYS, the Out of Town is on the OF fence right? So folks sitting in the bleachers cannot see it... Hello... this is not rocket science...

[met_dream]

Amen bro... My $25 seats that I spent $4K on are not perfect but they are fantastic compared to my more expensive seats from Shea last year in the Upper Box.

Amen to you too. I am in the same boat. $25 in 522. Those seats rock. And this comes from a former LOge section 9er in row J at Shea. You know how many balls I lost in those seats?

[nymTom]

BTW, I love how a handful of people calling WFAN over the last few days has caused Francessa to state this is a major issue. I sat in Sec 125, Row 7 last night. A $150 seat and I couldn't see the LF corner. I didn't care because I HAD A GREAT VIEW and nothing happened over there.

People, especially nowadays, are complainers. Plus people are much more to go out of their way to complain than praise. I guarantee you that everyone at WFAN gets more hate mail than praise mail.

Some of the complaints I have heard are idiotic and/or selfish:
--The bathroom is too far for my 80 year old dad (and this is the stadium's fault how?)
--Box seats were better because the row was tiny (eliminating boxes means more room for more good seats, which is why no new stadium has them)
--I can't see the big scoreboard (that's why there are TV's, ribbon boards, etc. there are seats in pretty much every park that have a poor scoreboard view)
--I didn't know about missing a certain part of the field from my seats because the online viewer was broken (REALLY?)
--I can't see 5-10% of the field (where plays rarely occur but the view of the rest of the field is GREAT)
--the scoreboards aren't good (WTF?)
--no lineups posted 2 hrs before game (Evan Roberts only, NO ONE ELSE cares about this)



Hahah , Nice Corey. Yea the guy who said the seat viewer was broken is a lying D-bag, what a joke and complaining about scoreboards?? Cmon people, get real already but i know some people who went and were like whiny bitches as well, Ugh!! Just give me the tickets, i will enjoy every seat in the park one way or another..

[tfc3rid]

Amen to you too. I am in the same boat. $25 in 522. Those seats rock. And this comes from a former LOge section 9er in row J at Shea. You know how many balls I lost in those seats?

Ahhh... So you refused the Excelsior Level eh?

522 is nice. My friend is there in Row 10.

[StrawberryField]

I think everybody here is bashing the Wilpon's a little too much here. They don't honor Mets History?

Hmmm....I guess keith Hernandez, Ron Darling, Darryl Strawberry, Doc Gooden, Bobby Ojeda, Ralph Kiner, Mike Piazza, Tom Seaver, Hojo all played or announced for the Brooklyn Dodgers and that's why they work and or were a part the Mets opening of Citi.

I don't remember seeing a whole bunch of Yankee greats at the closing of Yankee Stadium. I guess I was hallucinating when I saw practically every important Met at the closing of Shea.....

The Mets have had the same team name, same NY hat logo, same primary mets skyline baseball logo, and have never deviated from using blue and orange in any uniform they have used for 47 going on 48 seasons, yet they have no tradition and have an identity crisis, and don't honor tradition.

except for the Yankees, EVERY TEAM in SPORTS HISTORY has an identity crisis, and don't adhere to tradition. Even the Dodgers wore GREEN in Brooklyn....Imagine bleeding Dodger Green!

I've been to Citi and it has more Mets stuff up than SHEA ever did. But I guess the blue and orange seats gave it it's metness, and honestly that's what I think people miss whether they want to admit it or not. Shea didn't need mets stuff all over the place cause Shea was one big flaming blue and orange Mets symbol.....but you all hated it....Now we got a great new park, and the glass is half full again?

I guess the Wilpons did a huge ceremony for the 1955 Dodgers in 2006...It was great to see Don Newcombe and Duke Snider doing so well, at their advanced age....so well in fact that they looked strikingly like the 1986 Mets, but as we know....Fred Wilpon would never honor the 86 boys cause that's part of mets history which he has no regard for.

the Wilpon's ain't perfect but the bashing is a little over the top

[islandxtreme26]

OK, I meant to post this a while back, like on 2/16 when I posted the pics. I just got around to stitching them together. Ever wonder exactly how big the new apple is? Well, this will put it into perspective. I shot this from inside the apple a week or so after it was installed. As B-Nautica would say, I am not 6'2" of course, rather, only 6'0. However, I was standing three steps up a ladder for these pictures to shoot down and get the best pics for the stitch to work. Bear in mind, the door on the right is a standard height door frame, only a couple inches about the ground level.

Hopefully this gets us off National Anthem singers, Evan Roberts, the Yukes score and other stuff. At least until Yanks fans who went to the game today start going :debate: about how their palace is better than ours.

[CoreyNYC]

Well at NYS, the Out of Town is on the OF fence right? So folks sitting in the bleachers cannot see it... Hello... this is not rocket science...

You can say this about so many stadiums. Here's CBP:


How do the people sitting in RF cope without seeing the out of town board located below them?

THEY FRIGGIN' LOOK AT THE SCORES AS THEY SCROLL ON THE RIBBON BOARD!

How do the people sitting under the scoreboard in LF see the scoreboard?

THEY FRIGGIN DON'T!

[tfc3rid]

You can say this about so many stadiums. Here's CBP:


How do the people sitting in RF cope without seeing the out of town board located below them?

THEY FRIGGIN' LOOK AT THE SCORES AS THEY SCROLL ON THE RIBBON BOARD!

How do the people sitting under the scoreboard in LF see the scoreboard?

THEY FRIGGIN DON'T!

GREAT POINT... Mets fan are nitpicking on some things way too much.

[islandxtreme26]

BTW, I love how a handful of people calling WFAN over the last few days has caused Francessa to state this is a major issue. I sat in Sec 125, Row 7 last night. A $150 seat and I couldn't see the LF corner. I didn't care because I HAD A GREAT VIEW and nothing happened over there.

People, especially nowadays, are complainers. Plus people are much more to go out of their way to complain than praise. I guarantee you that everyone at WFAN gets more hate mail than praise mail.

Some of the complaints I have heard are idiotic and/or selfish:
--The bathroom is too far for my 80 year old dad (and this is the stadium's fault how?)
--Box seats were better because the row was tiny (eliminating boxes means more room for more good seats, which is why no new stadium has them)
--I can't see the big scoreboard (that's why there are TV's, ribbon boards, etc. there are seats in pretty much every park that have a poor scoreboard view)
--I didn't know about missing a certain part of the field from my seats because the online viewer was broken (REALLY?)
--I can't see 5-10% of the field (where plays rarely occur but the view of the rest of the field is GREAT)
--the scoreboards aren't good (WTF?)
--no lineups posted 2 hrs before game (Evan Roberts only, NO ONE ELSE cares about this)
Amen Corey. Well put.

[nymdan]

--no lineups posted 2 hrs before game (Evan Roberts only, NO ONE ELSE cares about this)
Not true that it's only Roberts. I always liked getting to Shea for BP and seeing the lineups posted nice and early. I miss that at Citi.

[met_dream]

Ahhh... So you refused the Excelsior Level eh?

522 is nice. My friend is there in Row 10.

I'll spend a couple games down there as singles this year. But too expensive on an every game basis. Seeing how this stadium allows us freedom to walk around, 522 is the best deal in the house. If I want to stay in my seats..I'm happy, and if I want to stroll all game..I don't feel bad about it.

I LOVE the Pepsi Porch and this is coming from someone who saw several balls hit that way, knowing I would lose the fielder at some point. It's very, very cool to see a game from a myriad of angles. Shea was the antithesis of this.

[StrawberryField]

Joe Beningo actually lodged that same complaint today. He is just as clueless as all of them and adds fuel to the fire. Did that Jersey tard ever set foot in right or left field of RYS? GReat views, but you were damn sure not gonna expect to see the fielder shag a deep fly ball.

Is Steve Sommers still on the FAN? loved that guy, he's the reason I started listening to the fan on the overnight back in 1994. I last remember the Sweater and the Schmooz gig during the day. I'd like to hear what he would have to say about Citi.

He was the best to me...made me laugh and riled up callers in a more innocent light hearted way. the best in my opinion.

[CoreyNYC]

Not true that it's only Roberts. I always liked getting to Shea for BP and seeing the lineups posted nice and early. I miss that at Citi.

I have been to at least half of the ballparks out there and this was unique to Shea, as far as I can remember. You may like seeing it early and will miss it but it really doesn't ruin your experience at all to not have it

[met_dream]

Is Steve Sommers still on the FAN? loved that guy, he's the reason I started listening to the fan on the overnight back in 1994. I last remember the Sweater and the Schmooz gig during the day. I'd like to hear what he would have to say about Citi.

He was the best to me...made me laugh and riled up callers in a more innocent light hearted way. the best in my opinion.

Steve is very pro citifield. He was chastising the complainers all night past 2 days.

[Ralf]

I have to say, the negativity, while annoying, is starting to resonate. Deep down I always hated the contrived Ebbets Field design but never wanted to admit it. The more I hear from people, the more pissed off I get about this. I hate it. There, I said it. It looks f'n stupid in a parking lot. And, from the sound of some architects and construction guys here and elsewhere, it really affected how they designed the interior and may have been the cause for more blind spots than would have been the case with a different design.

While I'm at it, I hate the center field scoreboard. Its too big. The original design would have been more reasonable. I also hate the tall wall in LF and the fact that you can't see the field from behind homeplate because of another unnecessary elitist club. Also, the ads over the bullpen are too big. They should be the same height as the ones on the RF Porch. They look stupid being that big.

What else?

O yea, I hate the rotunda too. Its dumb. Jackie is not dumb, just the whole design.

Basically, the Wilpons have no sense of taste imo. They really never had it so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised.

[tfc3rid]

Steve is very pro citifield. He was chastising the complainers all night past 2 days.

Although in hearing him he is going there for a game this weekend for the first time...

[tfc3rid]

Wow Ralf... Step down from the ledge...

[li7039]

Are ushers checking tickets all over? Such as for entrace to the different clubs field level seating sections etc

[tfc3rid]

Are ushers checking tickets all over? Such as for entrace to the different clubs field level seating sections etc

Yes... Althought you could have entered the Exclesior LEvel in the 8th inning on Opening night as there was no one there...

[islandxtreme26]

Are ushers checking tickets all over? Such as for entrace to the different clubs field level seating sections etc
I had a ticket for Baseline Box for OD, and walked up the stair tower between home/1B to the Excelsior level. There was a redshirt (secutiry) who checked my ticket and said "go ahead" Idk if we have gotten clarification about access to all levels being open, however, they were letting everyone in to Caesars Club that day too, so who knows.


Yes... Althought you could have entered the Exclesior LEvel in the 8th inning on Opening night as there was no one there...

NOTE: I was allowed on this level and inside the club in the 3rd inning. I was there until the top of the 5th inning.


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[CoreyNYC]

I have to say, the negativity, while annoying, is starting to resonate. Deep down I always hated the contrived Ebbets Field design but never wanted to admit it. The more I hear from people, the more pissed off I get about this. I hate it. There, I said it. It looks f'n stupid in a parking lot. And, from the sound of some architects and construction guys here and elsewhere, it really affected how they designed the interior and may have been the cause for more blind spots than would have been the case with a different design.

While I'm at it, I hate the center field scoreboard. Its too big. The original design would have been more reasonable. I also hate the tall wall in LF and the fact that you can't see the field from behind homeplate because of another unnecessary elitist club. Also, the ads over the bullpen are too big. They should be the same height as the ones on the RF Porch. They look stupid being that big.

What else?

O yea, I hate the rotunda too. Its dumb. Jackie is not dumb, just the whole design.

Basically, the Wilpons have no sense of taste imo. They really never had it so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised.

The outside, basically the front/rotunda looks like Ebbets. Nothing regarding the interior is meant to copy Ebbets and all stadiums have blind spots.

I am not going to even get into ads because I think that is a dead horse and most people don't even notice that stuff.

[met_dream]

I have to say, the negativity, while annoying, is starting to resonate. Deep down I always hated the contrived Ebbets Field design but never wanted to admit it. The more I hear from people, the more pissed off I get about this. I hate it. There, I said it. It looks f'n stupid in a parking lot. And, from the sound of some architects and construction guys here and elsewhere, it really affected how they designed the interior and may have been the cause for more blind spots than would have been the case with a different design.

While I'm at it, I hate the center field scoreboard. Its too big. The original design would have been more reasonable. I also hate the tall wall in LF and the fact that you can't see the field from behind homeplate because of another unnecessary elitist club. Also, the ads over the bullpen are too big. They should be the same height as the ones on the RF Porch. They look stupid being that big.

What else?

O yea, I hate the rotunda too. Its dumb. Jackie is not dumb, just the whole design.

Basically, the Wilpons have no sense of taste imo. They really never had it so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised.

The stadium is gorgeous on the outside. Now you're just being classless and dumb. Don't go to the games if it offends you. Watch on tv, keep your little scorecard, eat your tv dinner and go to bed miserable. Rinse and repeat.

[islandxtreme26]

Rinse and repeat.

:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

[li7039]

I had a ticket for Baseline Box for OD, and walked up the stair tower between home/1B to the Excelsior level. There was a redshirt (secutiry) who checked my ticket and said "go ahead" Idk if we have gotten clarification about access to all levels being open, however, they were letting everyone in to Caesars Club that day too, so who knows.



NOTE: I was allowed on this level and inside the club in the 3rd inning. I was there until the top of the 5th inning.


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Did you ticket say admit one to ceasers club or something like that? The usher i talked to on workout day said thats what the tickets would say

[Onemoredayatshea27]

Off topic... but thank God the Mets have Meet the Mets as their theme song.

Listen to this horrible piece of junk by the last place Nationals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aClZuTmY2VQ&feature=related

They call this their theme song. LOL.

[StrawberryField]

Steve is very pro citifield. He was chastising the complainers all night past 2 days.

Nice to hear he's still around....what time is he on?

[StrawberryField]

Off topic... but thank God the Mets have Meet the Mets as their theme song.

Listen to this horrible piece of junk by the last place Nationals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aClZuTmY2VQ&feature=related

They call this their theme song. LOL.

I was afraid the Mets would drop that song....after all there's no more "hot dogs, green grass all at SHEA"

Maybe we can change it to "hot dogs, green grass all at CITI, garaunteed to get you real nit pickee eeeeeeee!":radio

[Ralf]

Wow Ralf... Step down from the ledge...

Its not so much the design, its the way it was executed. It looks a bit contrived and half-assed imo. For instance, look at the Brewers original design (the Ebbets look-a-like), that would have been much nicer imo. The use of all those pinkish blocks on the top of Citi and the different design as you go down the line just don't look right imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still go and I do like the Promenade concourse, believe it or not, but I just don't like the exterior. I tried hard to like it all this time but I'd be lying if I kept on saying I did.

[tfc3rid]

Its not so much the design, its the way it was executed. It looks a bit contrived and half-assed imo. For instance, look at the Brewers original design (the Ebbets look-a-like), that would have been much nicer imo. The use of all those pinkish blocks on the top of Citi and the different design as you go down the line just don't look right imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still go and I do like the Promenade concourse, believe it or not, but I just don't like the exterior. I tried hard to like it all this time but I'd be lying if I kept on saying I did.

I think we all feel like the mishmash was executed poorly.

But the place is a gazillion times better than Shea could ever dream to be.

[umwol13]

Its not so much the design, its the way it was executed. It looks a bit contrived and half-assed imo. For instance, look at the Brewers original design (the Ebbets look-a-like), that would have been much nicer imo. The use of all those pinkish blocks on the top of Citi and the different design as you go down the line just don't look right imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still go and I do like the Promenade concourse, believe it or not, but I just don't like the exterior. I tried hard to like it all this time but I'd be lying if I kept on saying I did.

Here's the remedy to your problem: keep looking at the exterior of Shea. If you look at it long enough, your dislike for the CF exterior will cease to exist...or the Mets could just win a few World Series at CF, whichever comes first.

[Ralf]

I think we all feel like the mishmash was executed poorly.

But the place is a gazillion times better than Shea could ever dream to be.

I think my complaints about the interior are mild. And, as I stated, I like the Prom concourse and my seat location.

[KoosFan]

The outside, basically the front/rotunda looks like Ebbets. Nothing regarding the interior is meant to copy Ebbets and all stadiums have blind spots.

I am not going to even get into ads because I think that is a dead horse and most people don't even notice that stuff.

Why Ebbets Club?
Not Payson, Shea, Hodges, Seaver, Stengel, etc.?

It's like getting remarried, and you name your first kid after your ex.

It's in bad taste.

[Mister B.]

It's after April 15, tax season is over, and I'm back.

(Yes, I know, "actually nobody noticed you were gone.")

So. Did I miss anything?:shrug:

[Ralf]

Here's the remedy to your problem: keep looking at the exterior of Shea. If you look at it long enough, your dislike for the CF exterior will cease to exist...or the Mets could just win a few World Series at CF, whichever comes first.

Eh, its like comparing apples and oranges. Just because Shea was ugly outside, doesn't mean Citi gets a pass for being poorly executed externally.

[VekterNYM]

Did you ticket say admit one to ceasers club or something like that? The usher i talked to on workout day said thats what the tickets would say

I mentioned this on Opening Night, it probably got piled on with other posts.

I went to Opening Night and last nights game - had Baseline Box seats, apparently if your tickets are EQUAL or MORE in amount to that particular level's seats then you can enter that level.

Yesterday, I got into the Excelsior Level which has ushers checking tickets, then I ventured into the Caesar's Club since there was no one checking tickets there, and it seems like there isn't.

[StrawberryField]

I think we all feel like the mishmash was executed poorly.

But the place is a gazillion times better than Shea could ever dream to be.

I think in the end if they would have built a differently designed radical new stadium people would have complained that it has no New York Roots and blah, blah, blah.

It's impossible to please everybody.

personally, I'd be pissed off if 1.1 billion dollars got me an exact replica of the previous ball park.

[CoreyNYC]

Why Ebbets Club?
Not Payson, Shea, Hodges, Seaver, Stengel, etc.?

It's like getting remarried, and you name your first kid after your ex.

It's in bad taste.

When I am sitting in my Promenade seat watching the game or I am in CF chowing down on ribs, I am not thinking about the name of the name of the fancy seats.

[KoosFan]

I think in the end if they would have built a differently designed radical new stadium people would have complained that it has no New York Roots and blah, blah, blah.

It's impossible to please everybody.

personally, I'd be pissed off if 1.1 billion dollars got me an exact replica of the previous ball park.

isn't it 1.3 billion?

[KoosFan]

When I am sitting in my Promenade seat watching the game or I am in CF chowing down on ribs, I am not thinking about the name of the name of the fancy seats.

But when I enter the JRR and walk past a floor to ceiling picture of another team's dead ballpark
on the Field Concourse on my way to my cheap seats, I do.

[li7039]

I mentioned this on Opening Night, it probably got piled on with other posts.

I went to Opening Night and last nights game - had Baseline Box seats, apparently if your tickets are EQUAL or MORE in amount to that particular level's seats then you can enter that level.

Yesterday, I got into the Excelsior Level which has ushers checking tickets, then I ventured into the Caesar's Club since there was no one checking tickets there, and it seems like there isn't.

sounds good. my tickets in the left field landing say excelsior on them so hopefully i can get into the level and get into the club

[islandxtreme26]

Did you ticket say admit one to ceasers club or something like that? The usher i talked to on workout day said thats what the tickets would say
Nope nothing. Baseline box gets no club access. I was only trying to get to the concourse bar on that level, but seeing people stream into the Caesars Club with no guards there, I just mozy'd my way on in

[StrawberryField]

isn't it 1.3 billion?

you're probably right about 1.3 billion. It makes no sense, they shoulda done a renovation like the angels did and have the same stadium and keep their historic ballpark....In 10 years though the Yanks will have everybody thinking that babe, mick and joe d played there anyway.

[umwol13]

Why Ebbets Club?
Not Payson, Shea, Hodges, Seaver, Stengel, etc.?

It's like getting remarried, and you name your first kid after your ex.

It's in bad taste.

Koos, I'm sure if you offer up some major $$$, you can get them to name a section after Koosman. Or just buy the team and name whichever section/concourse after whoever you'd like and anyone who doesn't like it can go you know what.

[CoreyNYC]

But when I enter the JRR and walk past a floor to ceiling picture of another team's dead ballpark
on the Field Concourse on my way to my cheap seats, I do.

...and then 5 seconds later, you don't think of it again.

[CoreyNYC]

...and it has begun.

Just heard a Yankee Season Ticket holder complain about obstructed views on channel 4 news

[CFmets09]

alyssa milano coming coming up on daily news live, good thing im not wearing gym shorts:waving.....oh yea heath bell is gonna be a guest too:choke:

[CarterShea]

I know everyone seems to be upset about the lack of Mets stuff in Citi Field, but, wow, aren't we going a bit overboard.

If you criticize the J.R. Rotunda then you don't get it and maybe you should look up baseball and American history. The meaning is bigger than the Mets and the Dodgers will ever be.

Who cares about the names of the clubs and levels. The color of the walls and seats. Why does that matter? The seats could be red and I wouldn't care.

I go to the ballpark for the game to create my own memories, not a history lesson. If you care about your team, you know their history. It's about the product on the field.

Did the Mets screw up with the lack of a Mets Museum and such, of course, but do we need to be this vile and upset about it. Yeah, and most likely due to fan reaction, the Mets are saying one is coming, but why is this such a big deal.

Would I like to see a Seaver statue in the Mets plaza? Yeah I would. I would also like to see the Mets retire a few more numbers, but they don't. It's not something I'm going to get that worked up about.

Give the Mets a chance. This place isn't going to feel like home overnight. We all not to stop being so edgy about everything this team does and relax.

Just my two cents. You can take it for what its worth to you.

[Dekabreak]

I know everyone seems to be upset about the lack of Mets stuff in Citi Field, but, wow, aren't we going a bit overboard.

If you criticize the J.R. Rotunda then you don't get it and maybe you should look up baseball and American history. The meaning is bigger than the Mets and the Dodgers will ever be.

Who cares about the names of the clubs and levels. The color of the walls and seats. Why does that matter? The seats could be red and I wouldn't care.

I go to the ballpark for the game to create my own memories, not a history lesson. If you care about your team, you know their history. It's about the product on the field.

Did the Mets screw up with the lack of a Mets Museum and such, of course, but do we need to be this vile and upset about it. Yeah, and most likely due to fan reaction, the Mets are saying one is coming, but why is this such a big deal.

Would I like to see a Seaver statue in the Mets plaza? Yeah I would. I would also like to see the Mets retire a few more numbers, but they don't. It's not something I'm going to get that worked up about.

Give the Mets a chance. This place isn't going to feel like home overnight. We all not to stop being so edgy about this team and relax.

Just my two cents. You can take it for what its worth to you.
:applaud:
+1

[StrawberryField]

...and then 5 seconds later, you don't think of it again.

I remember hearing everybody screaming for Wilpon to call Citi Field Jackie Robinson Stadium. They don't do that (because of money admittedly), but to appease these people he builds a rotunda in honor of him, and now it's considered a shrine to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and was never cheered on by people in L.A. , a Jackie Robinson Rotunda at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles would be ridiculous...People in L.A. would be honoring a New York icon.

Unfortunately Jackie's team doesn't exist anymore, but he did play in New York, and he played in the national league, and made history in doing so.

Currently there is a New York team in the national league and that's the Mets, and it is only right they honor him.

And please don't get into the they don't honor the Giants....the NY emblem is honor enough, and quite frankly if Willie Mays broke the color line then it would be the Willie Mays Rotunda....

[umwol13]

I know everyone seems to be upset about the lack of Mets stuff in Citi Field, but, wow, aren't we going a bit overboard.

If you criticize the J.R. Rotunda then you don't get it and maybe you should look up baseball and American history. The meaning is bigger than the Mets and the Dodgers will ever be.

Who cares about the names of the clubs and levels. The color of the walls and seats. Why does that matter? The seats could be red and I wouldn't care.

I go to the ballpark for the game to create my own memories, not a history lesson. If you care about your team, you know their history. It's about the product on the field.

Did the Mets screw up with the lack of a Mets Museum and such, of course, but do we need to be this vile and upset about it. Yeah, and most likely due to fan reaction, the Mets are saying one is coming, but why is this such a big deal.

Would I like to see a Seaver statue in the Mets plaza? Yeah I would. I would also like to see the Mets retire a few more numbers, but they don't. It's not something I'm going to get that worked up about.

Give the Mets a chance. This place isn't going to feel like home overnight. We all not to stop being so edgy about this team and relax.

Just my two cents. You can take it for what its worth to you.

Dang, who'd have thought your best post would not be on Metsblog?:laugh

[KoosFan]

...and then 5 seconds later, you don't think of it again.

...until i get to the 6th second and wonder where the Mets Museum and Hall Of Fame is.
And then 10 seconds when I wish I had ownership that cared about Mets heritage as much as they care about Ebbets Field.

[CFmets09]

lol heath bell is a dick but he seems like a cool guy haha

[umwol13]

I remember hearing everybody screaming for Wilpon to call Citi Field Jackie Robinson Stadium. They don't do that (because of money admittedly), but to appease these people he builds a rotunda in honor of him, and now it's considered a shrine to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and was never cheered on by people in L.A. , a Jackie Robinson Rotunda at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles would be ridiculous...People in L.A. would be honoring a New York icon.

Unfortunately Jackie's team doesn't exist anymore, but he did play in New York, and he played in the national league, and made history in doing so.

Currently there is a New York team in the national league and that's the Mets, and it is only right they honor him.

And please don't get into the they don't honor the Giants....the NY emblem is honor enough, and quite frankly if Willie Mays broke the color line then it would be the Willie Mays Rotunda....

Well technically, people in LA did cheer for him at UCLA. But for the most part, I agree.

[StrawberryField]

:applaud:
+1


thank you, another voice of reason. we need more of you're kind:thumbsup:

[VekterNYM]

...Sorry to burst your bubble but Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and was never cheered on by people in L.A. , a Jackie Robinson Rotunda at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles would be ridiculous...People in L.A. would be honoring a New York icon....


On those thoughts: Did people complain when the Interboro Expressway was renamed the Jackie Robinson Parkway?

I didn't hear "Oh no! They can't name it that, that name belongs in Los Angeles!"

[pacman925]

OK - how about another question to get everyone off the Citi Field criticisms. Any suggestions for new wording of the Mets theme song? "Hot dogs, green grass, all out at Shea. Guaranteed to have a heckuva day." just doesn't work anymore.

[umwol13]

OK - how about another question to get everyone off the Citi Field criticisms. Any suggestions for new wording of the Mets theme song? "Hot dogs, green grass, all out at Shea. Guaranteed to have a heckuva day." just doesn't work anymore.

People want to honor Mets history? Keep it, how about that?

[met_dream]

...and it has begun.

Just heard a Yankee Season Ticket holder complain about obstructed views on channel 4 news

Oh boy, this should be fun. The Joe Sixpacks of Yankee fandom are a pretty rough bunch, tune in to the FAN folks.

[KoosFan]

I remember hearing everybody screaming for Wilpon to call Citi Field Jackie Robinson Stadium. They don't do that (because of money admittedly), but to appease these people he builds a rotunda in honor of him, and now it's considered a shrine to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and was never cheered on by people in L.A. , a Jackie Robinson Rotunda at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles would be ridiculous...People in L.A. would be honoring a New York icon.

Unfortunately Jackie's team doesn't exist anymore, but he did play in New York, and he played in the national league, and made history in doing so.

Currently there is a New York team in the national league and that's the Mets, and it is only right they honor him.

And please don't get into the they don't honor the Giants....the NY emblem is honor enough, and quite frankly if Willie Mays broke the color line then it would be the Willie Mays Rotunda....

The debate about the Ebbets Club and JRR tend to get caught up together when they are two separate things.

Speaking for myself, God bless Jackie Robinson and the Rotunda.
I think it's actually very cool to honor such an important NY figure.
I have no qualms whatsoever with the JRR.
I still feel the park should be called Robinson Field.

The Ebbets Club issue is an entirely different matter.
Ownership opted to recognize another team's park in this park.
Historically speaking, Ebbets Field had ZERO to do with the METS.
I've said before that if this was an attempt to honor NY baseball in general, then where is the Shea Club and PG Club?

No Mets Museum.
No Mets Hall of Fame.
No Mets Statues.
Nada.
But naming something Ebbets and having a huge picture of it in the Field Concourse was pretty important to ownership
because they made sure that happened in time for opening day.

That's the issue.

[StrawberryField]

OK - how about another question to get everyone off the Citi Field criticisms. Any suggestions for new wording of the Mets theme song? "Hot dogs, green grass, all out at Shea. Guaranteed to have a heckuva day." just doesn't work anymore.

I posted this earlier hoping the song doesn't disappear.

I jokingly suggested

Hot dogs, green grass all at Citi! garaunteed to make you really Nit Picki eeeeee!

[umwol13]

On those thoughts: Did people complain when the Interboro Expressway was renamed the Jackie Robinson Parkway?

I didn't hear "Oh no! They can't name it that, that name belongs in Los Angeles!"

Or JFK airport. Sure he was President of the US but deep down he's everything Boston.

[Spadanko]

I posted this earlier hoping the song doesn't disappear.

I jokingly suggested

Hot dogs, green grass all at Citi! garaunteed to make you really Nit Picki eeeeee!


they will go to the original:

"Bring your kiddies, bring your wife, guaranteed to have the time of your life"

[RichardK]

I know everyone seems to be upset about the lack of Mets stuff in Citi Field, but, wow, aren't we going a bit overboard.

If you criticize the J.R. Rotunda then you don't get it and maybe you should look up baseball and American history. The meaning is bigger than the Mets and the Dodgers will ever be.

Who cares about the names of the clubs and levels. The color of the walls and seats. Why does that matter? The seats could be red and I wouldn't care.

I go to the ballpark for the game to create my own memories, not a history lesson. If you care about your team, you know their history. It's about the product on the field.

Did the Mets screw up with the lack of a Mets Museum and such, of course, but do we need to be this vile and upset about it. Yeah, and most likely due to fan reaction, the Mets are saying one is coming, but why is this such a big deal.

Would I like to see a Seaver statue in the Mets plaza? Yeah I would. I would also like to see the Mets retire a few more numbers, but they don't. It's not something I'm going to get that worked up about.

Give the Mets a chance. This place isn't going to feel like home overnight. We all not to stop being so edgy about everything this team does and relax.

Just my two cents. You can take it for what its worth to you.

Those who dont understand, probably never will. I dont think you can fit those basic concepts into their heads. I know I have tried, but all I get back is negativity. :shrug:

[NunuMet]

OK - how about another question to get everyone off the Citi Field criticisms. Any suggestions for new wording of the Mets theme song? "Hot dogs, green grass, all out at Shea. Guaranteed to have a heckuva day." just doesn't work anymore.

Very easy .... "Hot dogs, green grass, coming your way. Guaranteed to have a heckuva day." :nod:

[Dishy24]

The stadium is gorgeous on the outside. Now you're just being classless and dumb. Don't go to the games if it offends you. Watch on tv, keep your little scorecard, eat your tv dinner and go to bed miserable. Rinse and repeat.


:highfive:

[StrawberryField]

The debate about the Ebbets Club and JRR tend to get caught up together when they are two separate things.

Speaking for myself, God bless Jackie Robinson and the Rotunda.
I think it's actually very cool to honor such an important NY figure.
I have no qualms whatsoever with the JRR.
I still feel the park should be called Robinson Field.

The Ebbets Club issue is an entirely different matter.
Ownership opted to recognize another team's park in this park.
Historically speaking, Ebbets Field had ZERO to do with the METS.
I've said before that if this was an attempt to honor NY baseball in general, then where is the Shea Club and PG Club?

No Mets Museum.
No Mets Hall of Fame.
No Mets Statues.
Nada.
But naming something Ebbets and having a huge picture of it in the Field Concourse was pretty important to ownership
because they made should that happened in time for opening day.

That's the issue.

Good point, I remember feeling that Ebbets club, and Dukes Grill was a little over the top, and worried me...but when i went to Citi, it really felt all Mets. Even with quirky tall walls in the outfield and the asymetrical dimensions, the dimensions more closely resemble Shea than anything else. The 2 apples, the orange foul poles (we are the only team sans yellow poles), the skyline in Centerfield hangout/food court....NY symbols in the iron fences, Mets sylouetts of Endy, swoboda, and depending on who you ask Doc or Seaver.

It's only gonna get better as more Metness seeps in....

the concrete just dried, the ball park is gonna be here awhile....give it some time.

[KoosFan]

Those who dont understand, probably never will. I dont think you can fit those basic concepts into their heads. I know I have tried, but all I get back is negativity. :shrug:

Names do matter.
Would you guys feel this way if ownership decided to call one of the restaurants, The Original Yankee Stadium Club
and had a giant picture of it in the CF concourse?

Suppose we wind up playing the Dodgers in the NLCS this year, will you still be so benign about it at Game 1?

"I make up my own memories"
"Who cares what stuff is called?"

Obviously looking at the front of this stadium and the name of a Club inside,
management doesn't share your opinion.

[LI METS FAN]

I remember hearing everybody screaming for Wilpon to call Citi Field Jackie Robinson Stadium. They don't do that (because of money admittedly), but to appease these people he builds a rotunda in honor of him, and now it's considered a shrine to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and was never cheered on by people in L.A. , a Jackie Robinson Rotunda at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles would be ridiculous...People in L.A. would be honoring a New York icon.

Unfortunately Jackie's team doesn't exist anymore, but he did play in New York, and he played in the national league, and made history in doing so.

Currently there is a New York team in the national league and that's the Mets, and it is only right they honor him.

And please don't get into the they don't honor the Giants....the NY emblem is honor enough, and quite frankly if Willie Mays broke the color line then it would be the Willie Mays Rotunda....

Amen. And lets give credit for the Mets doing something right. Its Rachel Robinson, in conjunction with the Mets Franchise, that got the number 42 retired in every stadium and its the Mets/Rachel Robinson keeping his legacy alive. Larry Doby has no MLB team behind him pushing for his memory or his number to be retired yet he came up only 3 months after Robinson in the AL.

[Dishy24]

one word... "Historic"... LOL :applaud:

[StrawberryField]

Or JFK airport. Sure he was President of the US but deep down he's everything Boston.

They just named the Tri Boro bridge RFK bridge a few months ago...more Bahston for us i guess....It'll always be the Tri Boro to me though

[umwol13]

Names do matter.
Would you guys feel this way if ownership decided to call one of the restaurants, The Original Yankee Stadium Club
and had a giant picture of it in the CF concourse?

Suppose we wind up playing the Dodgers in the NLCS this year, will you still be so benign about it at Game 1?

"I make up my own memories"
"Who cares what stuff is called?"

Obviously looking at the front of this stadium and the name of a Club inside,
management doesn't share your opinion.

Give it up. The Brooklyn Dodgers passed in 1957.