Worst of the New/Semi-new Ballparks?

[CFmets09]

Thought this would be thread to discuss stadiums that didn't impress you and what not. For me, I would have to say progressive field (new enough) as the outside looks like an erector set the the third base side barely has any seats its like a condominium complex. Second would be Great American Ballpark, doesn't really do anything for me. Feel free to add pics...

[BigMac1212]

Even though I'm a D'backs fan, Chase Field should be near the top. With the roof closed, you feel like your in an airplane hanger.

[donut726]

Chase Field & Miller Park. The gigantic roofs simply overpowers everything else in the stadiums. Worse than that, due to the roof design, they are forced to design a giant wall beyond the outfield to support the roof making everything feel very enclosed and indoorsy.

[whitesox901:]

Progressive Field

[soup]

Great American Ballpark is sort of drab
Definitely didn't care much for Miller Park

[The Fonz]

Great American Ballpark is sort of drab
Definitely didn't care much for Miller Park

i like great american park...i never been to most of the new stadiums but chase def. looks the worse...

out of the ones I been to, i would say citizens bank was very nice, hopefully citi tops it.

[skobabe8]

GABP is usually a part of these conversations, so I am looking forward to seeing it for myself this summer.

[CFmets09]

erector set
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan1.jpg

wtf?
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan2.jpg

[80SHOCK]

Not a fan of Miller Park.

[Dodgeboy]

I don't like certain features more than any particular ballpark, especially since I haven't personally seen many of them.

Number 1 gripe: Stacks of suites (US Cellular, Progressive, etc)
This really only applies to the first set of new parks (before club seating levels) but it just looks bad. Even though replacing suites with a
club level doesn't bring the upper deck any closer to the field, it just flows better.

US Cellular:
64877

And Jacobs Field from before:
64878
This would look MUCH better if the club seats along the first base line were mirrored on the third base side.


Minor gripe: I prefer parks that put the club level BELOW the suite level: Target Field, NYS, Nationals, etc

I know it's all rich people seating, but club seats don't FEEL as exclusionary. Maybe it's because they're still outside.

(all pics from stadiumpage.com (http://stadiumpage.com/))

[skobabe8]

^^^^ For some reason, your pics are not loading, but US Cellular does not have suites stacked like Progressive Field does. I am curious what your picture shows.

[Dodgeboy]

^^^^ For some reason, your pics are not loading, but US Cellular does not have suites stacked like Progressive Field does. I am curious what your picture shows.

The pic shows the area around the pressbox behind home plate. You can see the areas to either side too. You can see the lower level of suites, then the four/five rows of hanging out, then the upper level of suites. Down the lines, it turns into three levels of normal suites.

For the record, I really do like what they've done with the place over the years. It's much improved, and the roof looks great.

[ol' aches and pains]

The Tropicana Dome in St. Petersburg is the worst of the worst. Not a fan of Houston with that stupid train, either.

[RayNY]

I've never been to Miller Park but every time I see it on TV I can't stand that stupid slide and the sausage race. Is this a baseball game or a freakin' Chucky Cheese?

http://www.thediamondangle.com/archive/july01/mpphotos/slide.jpg
http://brewernation.mlblogs.com/photos/brewersbraves_052907/brewers_game_52907_028.jpg

I'm not against having little gimmicks and attractions at ballparks. But Miller Park just overdoes it IMO.

[DJ Starion]

I love Miller Park. They've had the slide and sausage race since the days at County Stadium.

My vote goes to Minute Maid.

[mets16]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3261309099_687731a6bc.jpg
Very sterile IMO. I don't really like the colors, like the red press box. But I think if the surrounding neighborhood improved, it would be better.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/3261311415_06f3cf2a88.jpg

[donut726]

i hate Minute Maid's roof but i really like the arches and the train track beyond the left field which is instantly recognizable.

[Gylmar]

Comerica Park in Detroit is the worst that I've been to. The crazy scoreboard is too far to the left and part of it is blocked by the left field stands.:crazy

[jodelli]

Comerica Park in Detroit is the worst that I've been to. The crazy scoreboard is too far to the left and part of it is blocked by the left field stands.:crazy

I like anywhere in the lower deck at Comerica except the third base line past the home dugout to the foul line. As you say the scoreboard is blocked over that way some places.
But my wtf is with some of the seat angles not facing the infield. The view of home plate can be blocked by people to the right in the next row down.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2254633032_1c43e77abf_b.jpg

The "O" in Montreal had a similar problem, as the seats were initially oriented towards shallow center field.

Tropicana has the infamous catwalks in play near the roof but for a dome the seats are quite close to the field. It's a pretty nice view from the lower deck along the first base line.

[CFmets09]

I actually kinda liked the Trop. Air conditioning was ftw as it was over 100 outside

[The House That Ruth Built]

Dark, bland, ugly Delta prtch in LF...overall, not impressive. :ooo:

[citifaithful]

Exterior = Nationals Park

Interior= Turner Field (Although I must admit I've never been)

[Rob R]

The interior of the Ballpark in Arlington is a mess.

[skobabe8]

The pic shows the area around the pressbox behind home plate. You can see the areas to either side too. You can see the lower level of suites, then the four/five rows of hanging out, then the upper level of suites. Down the lines, it turns into three levels of normal suites.

For the record, I really do like what they've done with the place over the years. It's much improved, and the roof looks great.

Thats a restaurant.

[amaz1n]

i wasnt really too impressed with the new busch. for a new ballpark you cant see the game for most of the concourse

[80SHOCK]

The interior of the Ballpark in Arlington is a mess.

Yeah a ballpark with the most recognizable piece (Fenway's Green wall Yankees Facade ect...) of every AL park doesn't quite do it for me either.

[TnNYYfan]

GABP is usually a part of these conversations, so I am looking forward to seeing it for myself this summer.

I went last summer and loved it. Not sure why it gets such a bad rap. We sat in the upper deck with a great view of the river and hills of Kentucky.

I've been to YS twice and enjoyed having beer thrown on me from the upper deck although I did see A-Rod hit his 500th homer.

I liked GABP more than Turner Field and if YS was home to anyone other than the Yankees I would have liked GABP better than that too.

[AMDG]

Dark, bland, ugly Delta prtch in LF...overall, not impressive. :ooo:

Interesting - I always thought that Turner down right field is a tribute to Old Yankee Stadium with the 3 decks leading to t the bleachers and the scoreboard biult into the wall.

[AMDG]

It is the Goofy Golf of baseball parks. All that is needed is a windmill inright field.

[szaretsky]

While I liked elements of Miller Park, one was particularly bad. We sat in the upper deck behind first base and were unable to see all of right field. I can understand not seeing beyond the foul line or seats in the lower deck, but not able to see the entire field? That's not right!

I'm reserving opinion on Citi/NYS until I see games at either.

Steven Zaretsky
Harmony, FL

[natron20]

I went last summer and loved it. Not sure why it gets such a bad rap. We sat in the upper deck with a great view of the river and hills of Kentucky.

I've been to YS twice and enjoyed having beer thrown on me from the upper deck although I did see A-Rod hit his 500th homer.

I liked GABP more than Turner Field and if YS was home to anyone other than the Yankees I would have liked GABP better than that too.

Nice to read some folks who actually like GABP. I know a lot of people bemoan the lack of "a view" of the city from the stadium but I love how the stadium faces the river and rolling hills of Kentucky. I believe the view reflects the sensibilities of Reds fans because I believe the majority of the fan base are from small towns and farms across Ohio, Kentucky, and Southern Indiana. I grew up listening to Reds game on the radio while doing some work on the farm and that is where my fandom originated.

I love all my trips to GABP. Sure it has plenty of problems but I also believe it isn't nearly as bad as many make it out to be. One thing is that you can't say it isn't unique.

JMHO.

[Brutus26]

Nice to read some folks who actually like GABP. I know a lot of people bemoan the lack of "a view" of the city from the stadium but I love how the stadium faces the river and rolling hills of Kentucky. I believe the view reflects the sensibilities of Reds fans because I believe the majority of the fan base are from small towns and farms across Ohio, Kentucky, and Southern Indiana. I grew up listening to Reds game on the radio while doing some work on the farm and that is where my fandom originated.

I love all my trips to GABP. Sure it has plenty of problems but I also believe it isn't nearly as bad as many make it out to be. One thing is that you can't say it isn't unique.

JMHO.


I think that is exactly why ppl like GABP. I live a couple hours south east of Cincy on the Ohio River and if you go to the boat docks at our town you look across the river into WV and KY and your view is very similar to what you get at GABP. I think it's a view of feeling at home.

[TnNYYfan]

I think that is exactly why ppl like GABP. I live a couple hours south east of Cincy on the Ohio River and if you go to the boat docks at our town you look across the river into WV and KY and your view is very similar to what you get at GABP. I think it's a view of feeling at home.

That's well said. I live in Knoxville and there are plenty of rivers and hills and it did have homey feeling to it.

[natron20]

That's well said. I live in Knoxville and there are plenty of rivers and hills and it did have homey feeling to it.

I agree. That sentiment sums it up for me as well.

[StadiumPage]

I think that is exactly why ppl like GABP. I live a couple hours south east of Cincy on the Ohio River and if you go to the boat docks at our town you look across the river into WV and KY and your view is very similar to what you get at GABP. I think it's a view of feeling at home.
I really liked GABP too. The riverview is much better than a downtown view. I think alot of the hate for it comes from people "parroting" that one architectural review.

[CandlestickBum]

The one time I went to New Comiskey (1990's) I was NOT impressed. Seats were narrow with no leg room (okay, I'm tall, but I don't expect to have an airliner experience in a damn ballpark), and I was so far from the field I couldn't tell who the players were or see their numbers. And the deck above us cut off the flight of fly balls. And there's two things to eat: Hot dogs and Polish dogs.
Oops, forgot, and Pizza.


And I detest Minute Maid's purposefully created eccentricities. It's the exhibits all the worst traits of the new ballparks, every.single.one.

And thanks to the rest of you for sharing some of yours, yeah, those aren't much are they? Progressive? What were they thinking, "Let's make a huge ass stadium without any character, fans will flock to it." ?

[Chevy114]

I don't get why progressive is on the list, sure its kind of bland on the outside but they tried a 180 from the brick and symmetry of the mistake by the lake. So I figure the constant sell outs is clevelands seal of approval.

Chase is pretty bad, but I didn't hear a lot about minute maid, I think thats a bad one too.

[Pelt]

GABP could have been among the best in all of baseball if it weren't for the architects giving the place a split personality. It has a wonderful modern half down the right field/first base side. It's the best part of the park. But then they had to ruin it with the "retro" garbage down the left field/third base side. If they had just gone with that subtle curve going all the way around, as it does on the first base side, it would have been perfect.

Maybe someday they'll eliminate that and extend it. Not likely, but one can always hope.

[natron20]

GABP could have been among the best in all of baseball if it weren't for the architects giving the place a split personality. It has a wonderful modern half down the right field/first base side. It's the best part of the park. But then they had to ruin it with the "retro" garbage down the left field/third base side. If they had just gone with that subtle curve going all the way around, as it does on the first base side, it would have been perfect.

Maybe someday they'll eliminate that and extend it. Not likely, but one can always hope.

I actually don't mind the gap. My biggest problem is how the levels are so different down the 3rd base line when compared to the 1st base side. But honestly that problem is second on my list of things that need to be fixed. First and foremost that gigantic eye sore they call a batters eye in center field needs to be re-done. It looks horrible. Like it was thrown in at the last minute as an afterthought. It looks completely out of place. If they cleaned up that part of the stadium I would be stoked.

[RayNY]

I probably stand alone when I say this but the worst part about Citi Field is that it was not built in that open lot in the west side of Manhattan (where the Jets were considering). That location would've been PRIME for the Mets.

(time for me to duck from my fellow Mets fans)

[Lions/Tigers@Cubs.OhMy!]

I can't believe more people haven't mentioned US Cellular Field. They've made plenty of asthetic changes for the better but the upper deck is still a fricken mess topped off with the fact that you can't access the field level.

Of the new, new era parks I'd have to go with GABP as being the one I was the most underwhelmed with.

[Zoso]

Even though I'm a D'backs fan, Chase Field should be near the top. With the roof closed, you feel like your in an airplane hanger.

Agreed. The one type of roof that works is one that slides over the field from outfield side to baseline side--think Safeco or Minute Maid--that runs on a track beyond the LF or RF wall. One half of the outfield is stacked and the other half has a completely open feel. Whereas with center-closing roofs, the entire park has a partially closed-in feel. Safeco to me just feels like an outdoor park. It seems like it's always open. The roof canopy over the right field grandstand doesn't hurt IMO.

I don't like certain features more than any particular ballpark, especially since I haven't personally seen many of them.

Number 1 gripe: Stacks of suites (US Cellular, Progressive, etc)
This really only applies to the first set of new parks (before club seating levels) but it just looks bad. Even though replacing suites with a
club level doesn't bring the upper deck any closer to the field, it just flows better.

US Cellular:
64877

And Jacobs Field from before:
64878
This would look MUCH better if the club seats along the first base line were mirrored on the third base side.


Minor gripe: I prefer parks that put the club level BELOW the suite level: Target Field, NYS, Nationals, etc

I know it's all rich people seating, but club seats don't FEEL as exclusionary. Maybe it's because they're still outside.

(all pics from stadiumpage.com (http://stadiumpage.com/))

I think the three-deck look makes it looked too stacked and towering. I actually prefer the 3B side of the Jake. Even with triple suites, the look to me is dominated by the two seating levels and two seating levels is a hallmark of the old, old parks. Although the Jake's differential works very well too. I can't say anything bad about that park.

I like anywhere in the lower deck at Comerica except the third base line past the home dugout to the foul line. As you say the scoreboard is blocked over that way some places.
But my wtf is with some of the seat angles not facing the infield. The view of home plate can be blocked by people to the right in the next row down.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2254633032_1c43e77abf_b.jpg

The "O" in Montreal had a similar problem, as the seats were initially oriented towards shallow center field.

Tropicana has the infamous catwalks in play near the roof but for a dome the seats are quite close to the field. It's a pretty nice view from the lower deck along the first base line.

Comerica isn't much to gawk at but functionally I thought it was outstanding. I sat in the RF bleachers and walked up from the very clean downtown area and strolled right into the park at concourse level. Also, in RF, the concessions/bathrooms aren't hidden under the seats. No matter where you sit at the cell, you gotta go UP, or down a bunch of ramps after the game.

One gripe I have is the rash of NL parks the past decade with the copycat look of the mini upper deck/send deck in left with a giant scoreboard on top. Pittsburgh, Cincy, Philly, San Diego. Is this what the cookie-cutter park teams craved when they moved?

http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10107000/10107675.jpg

https://www.yankeetrails.com/images/Entry/853_Phillies_stadium.jpg

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/nl/gabmain2006.jpg

http://gosandiegocard.com/blog/files/2008/04/san-diego-petco.jpg

And coming soon, the same boring look in Minneapolis:

http://www.mlb.com/min/images/ticketing/b2b/y2009/target_field.jpg

[Yankees12]

I actually don't mind the gap. My biggest problem is how the levels are so different down the 3rd base line when compared to the 1st base side. But honestly that problem is second on my list of things that need to be fixed. First and foremost that gigantic eye sore they call a batters eye in center field needs to be re-done. It looks horrible. Like it was thrown in at the last minute as an afterthought. It looks completely out of place. If they cleaned up that part of the stadium I would be stoked.

I'd clean up both the batters eye and the 3rd base line. Both are absoloutely atrocious.

I'd rip up everything above the first deck beyond the gap down the 3rd base line, and rebuild it exactly the same as what it is down the 3rd base line. Then, I'd knock down the entire current batters eye and build a normal green backdrop. No need to have that monstrosity out there in CF.

[Yankees12]

One gripe I have is the rash of NL parks the past decade with the copycat look of the mini upper deck/send deck in left with a giant scoreboard on top. Pittsburgh, Cincy, Philly, San Diego. Is this what the cookie-cutter park teams craved when they moved?

I think all these parks saw how good it looked at PNC (the first park to have that sort of design) and decided to imitate it. It was good the first couple of times, but now it's just overdone. Plus, the scoreboards at PETCO and CBP are a bit too overpowering.

Luckily, the park in Minneapolis is a little varied from just scoreboard-over-2 decks of bleachers, since the scoreboard only takes up a part of the area above the two decks, but still, it is way overdone.

[Dodgeboy]

Agreed. The one type of roof that works is one that slides over the field from outfield side to baseline side--think Safeco or Minute Maid--that runs on a track beyond the LF or RF wall.

I agree, although I'd prefer if the roof slid the opposite way and rested behind the grandstand. That way it doesn't block the view.



And coming soon, the same boring look in Minneapolis:

http://www.mlb.com/min/images/ticketing/b2b/y2009/target_field.jpg

To be fair, that's meant to invoke memories of the old Met Stadium, which had a similar setup - for football seating! Hey, it's all we've got to go off of. Plus, there isn't really a view of anything in left, and there's the skyline in right.

[Zoso]

I agree, although I'd prefer if the roof slid the opposite way and rested behind the grandstand. That way it doesn't block the view.




To be fair, that's meant to invoke memories of the old Met Stadium, which had a similar setup - for football seating! Hey, it's all we've got to go off of. Plus, there isn't really a view of anything in left, and there's the skyline in right.

It's not a bad park at all. I kind of like the high situated outfield seats and it has a good modest capacity to ensure a reasonably filled look at all times.

I like how they're building the parking garage hidden behind the outfield.

I just cannot f'ing wait to never have to see the Sox play in the dome again. And frankly I'm glad they scrapped (couldn't afford) the retractable roof because all that noise would be a big factor in the inevitable last week of September trip we have to make up there every god damn year.

[kevin in az]

It's not a bad park at all. I kind of like the high situated outfield seats and it has a good modest capacity to ensure a reasonably filled look at all times.

I like how they're building the parking garage hidden behind the outfield.

I just cannot f'ing wait to never have to see the Sox play in the dome again. And frankly I'm glad they scrapped (couldn't afford) the retractable roof because all that noise would be a big factor in the inevitable last week of September trip we have to make up there every god damn year.

That parking garage was already there when they started constructing Target Field. The small dimensions of the worksite has forced HOK to acutally be CREATIVE for a change. And if you think the Sox fans are happy to be rid of the dome, just think how happy Twins fans are to finally have REAL baseball again. Poor Twins fans haven't seen REAL baseball since 1981.

[SoxfanNH]

Miller Park would be infinitely better if they brought back Bernie's Chalet and beer mug slide, instead of that stupid yellow plastic slide that sticks out like a store thumb.

[Eyeshade]

US Cellular- Lower deck and field/scoreboard- Nice
Upper Deck- Ha hA Ha Ha
Outside- Looks cheap and bland

Progressive field- Only gripe is the stack o'suites. It's a lot prettier than US cellular. It fits in nicely to the bridges that are around it- thus the "erector set" look.
Looking forward to seeing Miller Park this summer- Nothing wrong with a good race of processed meat products.
Overall they can't make them like they used too (Fenway and Wrigley). The economics of the game have changed too much as have the expectations of the suits in suites.

[darbypitcher22]

I've been to GABP about 7 or 8 times, and, while I can see waht people are saying, I don't think theres' a bad seat in the house, and I've sat virtually everywhere.

My List:

Nationals Park
Miller Park
Petco Park

[GuitarPunk2512]

erector set
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan1.jpg

wtf?
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan2.jpg

i never liked this stadium. the outside looks weird and kind of smooshed if you know what i mean, and the inside is discusting with just having field, wall of luxury, and UD levels while on the other side having the big slab of seats hanging out.

GABP would be a really nice stadium if it wasnt for that gap seperating the stands. what is the purpose of it? wind, view, forced? it looks so stupid and just ruins the feel of the stadium. it would have been cool to have the best of two and have a view of downtown and the hills.

busch is another stadium i feel weird about. i love everything about the stadium except how the roof doesnt continue all the way around the UD, i like symmetry behind HP. the ltters ont he scoreboard also look bad because they went with yellow. looks liek an old school dot matrix board instead of HD screens.

turner, blocked view of atlant skyline by big ugly delta deck, and i dont like how the UD stops at 3rd base and doesnt continue out to at least the foul pole. also very dark and quiet.

[Zoso]

I think the Jake is great. It has nice clean lines and it's imposing, even though it looks dinky from the outside like all excavated parks. I'm not a fan of slight bends in the main grandstand like you have in Detroit, St Lous, Texas, Seattle, Chicago (not Old comiskey though). Either go with the straight, continuous angle or sharp cutoff with a rise.

What's funny about the Jake is it has the exact same profile as US Cellular. Like it cannot be off by more than a degree or so, yet nobody has ever complained about "too far from the field," or "stacked suites," or "upper deck is too steep." Every new park has these problems out of necessity. You want an upper deck hovering over the field? Enjoy a bunch of poles, freezing cold shade, inability to see fly balls, etc.

[WestSideBomber]

Here's one of the many beautiful views in GABP. I for one think it's a very good park...it's very small and intimate and simple which is what Red's fans wanted.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii7/theondeckcircle/DSC00697.jpg?t=1238795898

[skobabe8]

US Cellular- Lower deck and field/scoreboard- Nice
Upper Deck- Ha hA Ha Ha
Outside- Looks cheap and bland

Progressive field- Only gripe is the stack o'suites. It's a lot prettier than US cellular. It fits in nicely to the bridges that are around it- thus the "erector set" look.
Looking forward to seeing Miller Park this summer- Nothing wrong with a good race of processed meat products.
Overall they can't make them like they used too (Fenway and Wrigley). The economics of the game have changed too much as have the expectations of the suits in suites.

I'm not really sure what "Ha hA Ha Ha" means. Can you elaborate?

I assume you are implying it's bad? Have you been there? If so, have you been there since 2003? I wouldnt trade my UD tickets for anywhere in the lower bowl except right behind home plate.

[bandit12]

The Tropicana Dome in St. Petersburg is the worst of the worst. Not a fan of Houston with that stupid train, either.

I definatly agree. You feel like you are in a giant tomb.

[CharlesM]

I, for one, am about ready for the world of stadium design to veer sharply away from where HOK has taken it.

Sure, Oriole Park was charming and refreshing when it was built. Since then, although they have built some nice parks, I feel that HOK has tried to go so above and beyond themselves to top whatever their last project is--while sticking to their "template"--that some of these parks just look almost deliberately bizarre, with all these pseudo-industrial/"erector set" touches.

In New Yankee Stadium, I HATE that the upper decks end on that stupid inward angle. Every time I see that, it screams "HOK" to me, not "Yankee Stadium." It takes away from the flow of the stadium's lines and the sweep of the decks. Looks like the stadium has sprained ankles.

I'd love to see a new architectural firm take stadium design into an era of clean lines and graceful designs, and with real grandeur. Citi Field has some nice touches, even though the interior and esp. outfield design is HOK-off-the-chain.

All in all, enough with the Camden Yards envy...it's been 17 years!!

[bravesgeek10]

Petco Park
-Weird asymmetry
-Western Metal Supply building: I don't mind it being there, but I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. It is sandwiched between the grandstand and bleachers/scoreboard, and has three levels of seating attached to it, along with bleachers on top of it...

Nationals Park
When I think of Washington D.C.'s buildings, I think of symmetry, limestone, and arches. With Nationals Park, however, you get weird asymmetry and some office-like exterior. On top of that, we get a somewhat circular upper deck, blue seats, green walls, the Red Porch, the red press box, and low attendances.

[SparkyL]

I, for one, am about ready for the world of stadium design to veer sharply away from where HOK has taken it.

Sure, Oriole Park was charming and refreshing when it was built. Since then, although they have built some nice parks, I feel that HOK has tried to go so above and beyond themselves to top whatever their last project is--while sticking to their "template"--that some of these parks just look almost deliberately bizarre, with all these pseudo-industrial/"erector set" touches.

In New Yankee Stadium, I HATE that the upper decks end on that stupid inward angle. Every time I see that, it screams "HOK" to me, not "Yankee Stadium." It takes away from the flow of the stadium's lines and the sweep of the decks. Looks like the stadium has sprained ankles.
I'd love to see a new architectural firm take stadium design into an era of clean lines and graceful designs, and with real grandeur. Citi Field has some nice touches, even though the interior and esp. outfield design is HOK-off-the-chain.

All in all, enough with the Camden Yards envy...it's been 17 years!!

True enough - but - sitting in the same location many times in RYS and facing center field while twisting to see the infield does crazy things for your neck and back. I'll take the new orientation . . .

[locke40]

I, for one, am about ready for the world of stadium design to veer sharply away from where HOK has taken it.

Sure, Oriole Park was charming and refreshing when it was built. Since then, although they have built some nice parks, I feel that HOK has tried to go so above and beyond themselves to top whatever their last project is--while sticking to their "template"--that some of these parks just look almost deliberately bizarre, with all these pseudo-industrial/"erector set" touches.

In New Yankee Stadium, I HATE that the upper decks end on that stupid inward angle. Every time I see that, it screams "HOK" to me, not "Yankee Stadium." It takes away from the flow of the stadium's lines and the sweep of the decks. Looks like the stadium has sprained ankles.

I'd love to see a new architectural firm take stadium design into an era of clean lines and graceful designs, and with real grandeur. Citi Field has some nice touches, even though the interior and esp. outfield design is HOK-off-the-chain.

All in all, enough with the Camden Yards envy...it's been 17 years!!

How can owners look at these parks that they've paid millions upon millions of dollars for, and be proud?

Also, thank you for making the analogy of the ends of NYS' upper deck, to sprained ankles. Everytime I look at it, I'm going to think of that. Thank you. :laugh:laugh:laugh

[CharlesM]

True enough - but - sitting in the same location many times in RYS and facing center field while twisting to see the infield does crazy things for your neck and back. I'll take the new orientation . . .

Guess it's just different strokes. I sat up there plenty of times and never had a problem.

How can owners look at these parks that they've paid millions upon millions of dollars for, and be proud?

Also, thank you for making the analogy of the ends of NYS' upper deck, to sprained ankles. Everytime I look at it, I'm going to think of that. Thank you.

Yeah, wish I didn't see it that way myself, but I just do. I remember seeing that on the rendering drawings before the stadium was built and thinking, Please don't do this, HOK. Please don't. Not THIS park. :o

[mdseverin]

I, for one, am about ready for the world of stadium design to veer sharply away from where HOK has taken it.

Unfortunately, it's going to be a few decades before this happens. Pretty much every MLB team has gotten a new stadium or had a major renovations since 1990. The only exceptions are Wrigley Field which will probably have a big renovation project by 2014, the A's may or may not get Cisco Field, and Tampa Bay had a very beautiful and unique stadium idea, but it looks like that has been abandoned. The problem with these HOK parks is they were all built in such a short time span that new/creative ideas didn’t have time to form. There are 30 teams in the Majors and 22 completely new stadiums have been built in the last 20 years (24 if you count Target Field and Miami Ballpark).

[dabigyankeeman]

I think all the new parks suck except the new Yankee Stadium - why?

Because of the corporate names, you start naming the stadiums and i dont know who the hell plays in half of them, and then when you learn them, they change.

At least its still Yankee Stadium. Hooray for the Yankees!!!!!!!

[YankeeFanBx]

I think all the new parks suck except the new Yankee Stadium - why?

Because of the corporate names, you start naming the stadiums and i dont know who the hell plays in half of them, and then when you learn them, they change.

At least its still Yankee Stadium. Hooray for the Yankees!!!!!!!
Are you ever right!
I thought something was wrong with me because I have a hard time trying to figure out who plays in which park.
Can't wait for Purina Puppy Food Park.:gt

[mdseverin]

I think all the new parks suck except the new Yankee Stadium - why?

Because of the corporate names, you start naming the stadiums and i dont know who the hell plays in half of them, and then when you learn them, they change.

At least its still Yankee Stadium. Hooray for the Yankees!!!!!!!

I guess you like Nationals Park as well.

[dabigyankeeman]

I guess you like Nationals Park as well.

I live real close to Dolphins Stadium, another good one.

I cant stand this Playtex Underwire Bra Park mentality.

It becomes a joke. When Joe Robbie Stadium went to Pro Player Park, we all called it THE STADIUM THAT USED TO BE KNOWN AS JOE ROBBIE.

When we had the National Car Rental Center hockey arena, we called in THE RENTA-CENTA.

Even now, the American Airlines Arena down here is called by a lot of us THE TRIPLE-A, which could stand for a ton of companies and organizations.

And when i say WE, i mean not only the fans, but the media too.

[SparkyL]

Are you ever right!
I thought something was wrong with me because I have a hard time trying to figure out who plays in which park.
Can't wait for Purina Puppy Food Park.:gt

It comes down to how they use the corporate name:

Comerica Park sounds great - Comerica Bank Park sucks.

Wrigley Field sounds great - Wrigley Chewing Gum Field sucks.

Fidelity Center would be good - Fidelity Investments Center, not so good.

[WestSideBomber]

It comes down to how they use the corporate name:

Comerica Park sounds great - Comerica Bank Park sucks.

Wrigley Field sounds great - Wrigley Chewing Gum Field sucks.

Fidelity Center would be good - Fidelity Investments Center, not so good.

No matter how much you hate GABP you can't hate the name Great American Ballpark.

[Dodgersfan323]

Chase/Miller/Minute Maid for the obvious reason, + Miller has that stupid slide in the outfield. Progressive with the skyscraper in between the first and 3 decks, all the domes.
I don't see anything really wrong with GABP, The Trop, who would have expected a World Series to be played there? What a joke of a ballpark.

[atdy17]

I would like to say chase and Minute Maid , but I can't You need retractable roofs in those cities. Watching baseball in temperatures that are over 100 is not fun.

[Jbutta29]

citi field based on everything I have seen. I cant say based on me going there cause that wont happen till June, but overall I think they missed on this one. There is alot I dont like about it.

[pudgie_child]

Nationals Park. Just awful on so many levels.

Ditto for GABP.

Comerica Park. Weird dimensions, and home plate faces too far to the south.

The Ballpark at Arlington. From the outside, it looks like a nice prison.

Target Field. Stupid idea to have so many seats in an outfield upper deck.

Safeco Field. If the only purpose of the roof was to keep out the rain, it should have been a foldable tarp or a fabric roof. Also, it should have been built north of the old Kingdome, not south of it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[mrakbaseball]

Safeco Field. If the only purpose of the roof was to keep out the rain, it should have been a foldable tarp or a fabric roof. Also, it should have been built north of the old Kingdome, not south of it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
A foldable tarp or fabric roof? :shrug: Are you kidding me? :laugh In a perfect world, Safeco, not Qwest would have been built on the old Kingdome site. :twocents:

[pudgie_child]

A foldable tarp or fabric roof? :shrug: Are you kidding me? :laugh In a perfect world, Safeco, not Qwest would have been built on the old Kingdome site. :twocents:

It was a wonderful gesture of the Mariners to build the most expensive stadium in U.S. history (up to that point) when the public sector was footing 3/4 of the bill.

Maybe the Mariners should have been more considerate of the taxpayers when they designed their stadium. Again, if the only purpose of the roof was to deflect rain, they should have come up with a less costly design.

[Lafferty Daniel]

Nationals Park. Just awful on so many levels.

Ditto for GABP.

Comerica Park. Weird dimensions, and home plate faces too far to the south.

The Ballpark at Arlington. From the outside, it looks like a nice prison.

Target Field. Stupid idea to have so many seats in an outfield upper deck.

Safeco Field. If the only purpose of the roof was to keep out the rain, it should have been a foldable tarp or a fabric roof. Also, it should have been built north of the old Kingdome, not south of it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

The following new ballparks have more upper deck seats in their outfield: Coors, Citi, Camden, Jacobs, Arlington, CBBP, Petco. (I'm probably forgetting a few more.)

I don't understand why you single out T.F.

[pudgie_child]

The following new ballparks have more upper deck seats in their outfield: Coors, Citi, Camden, Jacobs, Arlington, CBBP, Petco. (I'm probably forgetting a few more.)

I don't understand why you single out T.F.

Because the Twins have the benefit of building among the last of the "new ballparks." They should have researched how poorly those seats have sold in other cities and know that they will be hard to sell in their ballpark once the shine of the place wears off.

As I've said in the Target Field forum, it was unnecessary to build an outfield upper deck at Target. They should have extended the upper deck and club level from the grandstand into the left field corner and then put the office building somewhere else, maybe in straight-away center field at the corner of 5th Street and 3rd Avenue.

[westcoastbuckeye]

I travel for work and catch games every city I go to.
The stadiums I dislike are;

#1 astros the worst of the worst
#2 white sox
#3 braves
#4 rangers
#5 rays
#6 padres

the stadiums I like are;

#1 mariners the best of the best
#2 giants
#3 pirates
#4 indians
#5 reds
#6 phillies

[gleason2]

Nationals Park. Just awful on so many levels.

Ditto for GABP.



Have you been to Nationals Park? Critics of it seem so focused on the exterior of the building, which makes no sense to me. Once inside the stadium, it's a great place to watch a game. With the open concourses, and the wide open spaces beyond the outfield with bars where people can stand and have a great view of the field, what's not to like? When the new waterfront park in front of the stadium is done, and the other neighborhood development is completed, it's going to be a great ballpark district.

[mrakbaseball]

I travel for work and catch games every city I go to.
The stadiums I dislike are;

#1 astros the worst of the worst
#2 white sox
#3 braves
#4 rangers
#5 rays
#6 padres

the stadiums I like are;

#1 mariners the best of the best
#2 giants
#3 pirates
#4 indians
#5 reds
#6 phillies
Very interesting. :think:

[Fudbutter]

Have you been to Nationals Park? Critics of it seem so focused on the exterior of the building, which makes no sense to me. Once inside the stadium, it's a great place to watch a game. With the open concourses, and the wide open spaces beyond the outfield with bars where people can stand and have a great view of the field, what's not to like? When the new waterfront park in front of the stadium is done, and the other neighborhood development is completed, it's going to be a great ballpark district.

True about Nationals Park. The only thing they missed is how they did teh press box. It took out the upper deck seats behind the plate which is usually a good bargain. The food is pretty bad too, but we don't go to the ballpark to eat, just to watch a ballgame (silly us). The other issue is the jamming of thousands of folks into the Navy Yard metro station.

Other than that, it's a great park, nice and open with good sightlines. The colors work well together and the open outfield provides a great view. This will be the home of the NL East Champs in a few years if they could manage to not screw up the Strasburg situation.

[Twins91871977]

I'd have to say that the worst are:

U.S. Cellular Field
Miller Park
Minute Maid Park
Tropicana Field
Chase Field

[Twins91871977]

Quoted wrong post.

[Twins91871977]

erector set
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan1.jpg

wtf?
http://www.stadiumpage.com/jacobs/Prog_pan2.jpg

I think it looks nice. The new name definately sucks, but the ballpark is nice.

[yankies4life]

i dont either get the hate on the nationals ballpark, ive been and sure the exterior is nothing to write home about, the park is really nice. the food is a little on the pricey side but im used to that so it doesn bother me that much. i remember walking all around the park and it had some really good angles. the scoreboard is great in right field and dont know of too many obstructed seats.

[RayNY]

I travel for work and catch games every city I go to.
The stadiums I dislike are;

#1 astros the worst of the worst
#2 white sox
#3 braves
#4 rangers
#5 rays
#6 padres



Have you been to Dolphin Stadium for a Marlins game? Just curious because you don't have it on the list yet you have PETCO on there (which I've heard good things about).

[mrakbaseball]

I'd have to say that the worst are:

U.S. Cellular Field
Miller Park
Minute Maid Park
Tropicana Field
Chase FieldReally? You have U.S. Cellular on your list of worst ballparks? I've recently read differently. :laugh

[KingmanIII]

Because the Twins have the benefit of building among the last of the "new ballparks." They should have researched how poorly those seats have sold in other cities and know that they will be hard to sell in their ballpark once the shine of the place wears off.

As I've said in the Target Field forum, it was unnecessary to build an outfield upper deck at Target. They should have extended the upper deck and club level from the grandstand into the left field corner and then put the office building somewhere else, maybe in straight-away center field at the corner of 5th Street and 3rd Avenue.

Have you seen the parcel of land on which Target Field was built? I doubt they could've wrapped the entire upper deck around the left field corner.

[dabigyankeeman]

Have you been to Dolphin Stadium for a Marlins game? Just curious because you don't have it on the list yet you have PETCO on there (which I've heard good things about).

I live down here 20 minutes from Dolphin Stadium, and i think it has been totally wrongfully maligned as a bad baseball park. I had season tickets the first year, and have been to hundreds of games over the years there and have sat in all different parts of the park, and i fail to see why everyone says its a bad baseball park. Its got interesting dimensions, you can see fine, the club seats are awesome, i like it as a baseball park. I think its just fashionable to knock it because its a dual-purpose park, and also previous ownership of the Marlins started knocking it long ago so they could get a new stadium to make more money and the as ownership knocked it, it started getting everyone else knocking it too. I am telling you, its not a bad baseball park for the fans. Plus its got great roads leading to it, and a ton of parking.

[skobabe8]

Very interesting. :think:

Why do you think so?

[Lafferty Daniel]

Have you seen the parcel of land on which Target Field was built? I doubt they could've wrapped the entire upper deck around the left field corner.

Plus, putting the admin building behind center field on 5th St. really wouldn't work. There's not much room back there, and it's the main entrance/exit for the parking garage.

[majorleads]

I live down here 20 minutes from Dolphin Stadium, and i think it has been totally wrongfully maligned as a bad baseball park. I had season tickets the first year, and have been to hundreds of games over the years there and have sat in all different parts of the park, and i fail to see why everyone says its a bad baseball park. Its got interesting dimensions, you can see fine, the club seats are awesome, i like it as a baseball park. I think its just fashionable to knock it because its a dual-purpose park, and also previous ownership of the Marlins started knocking it long ago so they could get a new stadium to make more money and the as ownership knocked it, it started getting everyone else knocking it too. I am telling you, its not a bad baseball park for the fans. Plus its got great roads leading to it, and a ton of parking.



Ownership knocked the stadium because they get almost no revenue from it. The Dolphins get everything. And yes I actually like it for baseball. Football believe it or not I hate it because I always felt like I was far from the action. The Orange Bowl although a HUGE dump and very uncomfortable was much better.

[Bobby_Ayala]

I travel for work and catch games every city I go to.
The stadiums I dislike are;

#1 astros the worst of the worst
#2 white sox
#3 braves
#4 rangers
#5 rays
#6 padres

the stadiums I like are;

#1 mariners the best of the best
#2 giants
#3 pirates
#4 indians
#5 reds
#6 phillies

I'd have to say that the worst are:

U.S. Cellular Field
Miller Park
Minute Maid Park
Tropicana Field
Chase Field
U.S. Cellular has yet to win everyone over.
Very interesting :think:

Why do you think so?
Put 2 and 2 together :lookitup

[dabigyankeeman]

Ownership knocked the stadium because they get almost no revenue from it. The Dolphins get everything. And yes I actually like it for baseball. Football believe it or not I hate it because I always felt like I was far from the action. The Orange Bowl although a HUGE dump and very uncomfortable was much better.

100% correct. The Marlins had a cruddy contract, and were not even getting all the money for the club seats that i always sit in. It was a real bad financial setup for the Marlins. You can thank Mr. Hizenga for that, although without him, would we even have the Marlins and Panthers?

And yes, the Orange Bowl put you right on top of the action while the stadium formerly known as Joe Robbie has you further away, but that couldnt be helped in a dual purpose stadium as opposed to a football only stadium like the Orange Bowl.

By the way, the stadium, today known as Dolphins Stadium, tomorrow will be known as: LAND SHARK STADIUM.

[skobabe8]

U.S. Cellular has yet to win everyone over.



Put 2 and 2 together :lookitup

Because 2 people don't think highly of US Cellular? Is that supposed to be news?

Not that it affects me in the least, but some people seem to go out of their way to point it out. It doesn't make sense.

[Spruce Moose]

Because 2 people don't think highly of US Cellular? Is that supposed to be news?

Not that it affects me in the least, but some people seem to go out of their way to point it out. It doesn't make sense.

count me as another fan that really likes The Cell. my how much The Cell has changed. i remember how different it was in the early 90's when i would travel to Chicago to watch the Twins. i think that simple dimensions are underrated.

[KingmanIII]

count me as another fan that really likes The Cell. my how much The Cell has changed. i remember how different it was in the early 90's when i would travel to Chicago to watch the Twins. i think that simple dimensions are underrated.
I like the fact that it doesn't try to be another cookie-cutter, artificially quirky, pseudo-retro park, even after the renovations. Only thing I hate about the place anymore are those ugly ramps that cover the beautiful granite façade, which I consider a classy, refreshing change from the nauseatingly overdone red brick movement of the last two decades. I know they redesigned the ramps/footbridge on the third-base side--are they doing something on the first-base side as well?

[mazaratirick07]

I really Like the "Cell", I went to a game last month and got there when they opened the gates.. prob spent a total of 5 hours in the park it was nice.. decent food, nice views, love the cf plaza...and that picnic area they put in CF for anyone just to go sit.. and i love the Bullpen bar! I got to watch Our starting pitcher warm up from about 3 feet away!...

its ok sox fans you guys have a nice park....

[yankees650B]

honestly, i think the new Yankee stadium belongs on this thread. if you take into consideration the pure ugliness of the place, the rudeness of the ushers and the incredibly high prices plus the "moat"as its been dubbed, not to mention the center field blind spot which is worse than i ever thought. anyone who says it resembles the pre renovated stadium does not know anything about the original structure. lastly that frieze is a sorry attempt at a replication.

[Robbyb26]

honestly, i think the new Yankee stadium belongs on this thread. if you take into consideration the pure ugliness of the place, the rudeness of the ushers and the incredibly high prices plus the "moat"as its been dubbed, not to mention the center field blind spot which is worse than i ever thought. anyone who says it resembles the pre renovated stadium does not know anything about the original structure. lastly that frieze is a sorry attempt at a replication.

I agree with you. I've tried three times to enjoy the new stadium, and I am 0 for 3. It is a terrible place.

[Mygirljess]

I agree with you. I've tried three times to enjoy the new stadium, and I am 0 for 3. It is a terrible place.

I don't know, I thought the place was pretty incredible.

[yankees650B]

I agree with you. I've tried three times to enjoy the new stadium, and I am 0 for 3. It is a terrible place.

i feel the same way. the hole feel is gone. i gone 4 times and every time i find it almost hard to get into the game. it feels like you are so far away because the seats where the real fans sick are pushed way back. and i don't know about your section but where i sat no one clapped or cheered it felt that way throughout the stadium. no exaggeration, i was at the Boston game on Tuesday i think the Boston fans where actually louder. when i was walking through the concourse i was actually very anger. i have been a serious Yankee fan my whole life bu unlike a lot of fans i love the history of the team and unlike Lon trust or randy Levine i think a teams history is very important. I'm not sure i really want to go back.

[yankees650B]

I don't know, I thought the place was pretty incredible.

i don't mean any offense but aren't you a Met fan. It's just not the same when its not YOUR team. do you know what i mean. as a Yankee fan i think citi field looks nice but I'm sure some met fans have some issues with it.

[Rob R]

i feel the same way. the hole feel is gone. i gone 4 times and every time i find it almost hard to get into the game. it feels like you are so far away because the seats where the real fans sick are pushed way back. and i don't know about your section but where i sat no one clapped or cheered it felt that way throughout the stadium. no exaggeration, i was at the Boston game on Tuesday i think the Boston fans where actually louder. when i was walking through the concourse i was actually very anger. i have been a serious Yankee fan my whole life bu unlike a lot of fans i love the history of the team and unlike Lon trust or randy Levine i think a teams history is very important. I'm not sure i really want to go back.
Easy, don't.

You've made it quite clear that you hate NYS in various threads. Stop torturing yourself and stay clear of it.

[Mygirljess]

i don't mean any offense but aren't you a Met fan. It's just not the same when its not YOUR team. do you know what i mean. as a Yankee fan i think citi field looks nice but I'm sure some met fans have some issues with it.

Yeah well needless to say Yankee fans had a fondness for old Yankee Stadium that would make it very difficult for ANY replacement ballpark to live up to, especially right away, and let's face it, Met fans nostalgia for Shea is more about what happened there than any fondness for the actual structure, so I can see where new Yankee's task of winning over the fans is more challenging than Citi Field's. Maybe I can be more objective. I was at dozens of games at pre-renovated Yankee, and probably a couple of hundred at renovated Yankee, so I knew that place. Compared to the new one, the ramps, aisles and concourses were cramped, dark and dank. The bleachers were cut off from the rest of the stadium, and seemed a million miles from home plate. The upper deck might have been closer to the field, but it was way too steep. Only been to one game at the new place, the Cubs exhibition game, but that was my first game at one of these new HOK-style stadiums, and I loved the open concourses, the split upper deck, the amenities, and the fact you can walk all the way around the bleachers. Ten times better than old Yankee Stadium, I thought. In fact, I was afraid my Citi Field would never be able to come close. But, it does, it's different in many ways from Yankee Stadium but also an awsome place to catch a game.

[the_Bored]

Of the few I've been to, the Jake/Prog is the worst. Maybe it was because it was a Wednesday night game against the Rangers, but the atmosphere was awful. The scoreboard/sound system dominates, overpowering in a bad way. Also, the vendors are far too prevalent, getting in the way of the game itself.

[Rob R]

Yeah well needless to say Yankee fans had a fondness for old Yankee Stadium that would make it very difficult for ANY replacement ballpark to live up to, especially right away, and let's face it, Met fans nostalgia for Shea is more about what happened there than any fondness for the actual structure, so I can see where new Yankee's task of winning over the fans is more challenging than Citi Field's. Maybe I can be more objective. I was at dozens of games at pre-renovated Yankee, and probably a couple of hundred at renovated Yankee, so I knew that place. Compared to the new one, the ramps, aisles and concourses were cramped, dark and dank. The bleachers were cut off from the rest of the stadium, and seemed a million miles from home plate. The upper deck might have been closer to the field, but it was way too steep. Only been to one game at the new place, the Cubs exhibition game, but that was my first game at one of these new HOK-style stadiums, and I loved the open concourses, the split upper deck, the amenities, and the fact you can walk all the way around the bleachers. Ten times better than old Yankee Stadium, I thought. In fact, I was afraid my Citi Field would never be able to come close. But, it does, it's different in many ways from Yankee Stadium but also and awsome place to catch a game.

Good post. When you say NYS is 10 times better, you're spot on. The only thing I'm sentimental about are the memories and overall history.

But, RYS was a 70's hatchet job, in ugly 70's fashion, one that ruined and took the soul out of the original stadium. "Gate 4? Yeah, let's take away the gorgeous front of the stadium and replace it with a concrete, circular escalator! Frieze?! Who needs a frieze! Nobody will notice or care! And let's chop off the top portion of the outside of the stadium so that every lovely step of the upper deck is visible and let's disect them with hideous, concrete, vertical spider legs!"

You'd have to be a pretty good salesman to convince somebody that RYS was more attractive than NYS. Now the original? That can't be beat, but it's been dead since 1975.

Even the looks of the interior. People actually think that this

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/YS1994.jpg

looks better than this??

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/NYSG2.jpg

[Rob R]

i don't mean any offense but aren't you a Met fan. It's just not the same when its not YOUR team. do you know what i mean. as a Yankee fan i think citi field looks nice but I'm sure some met fans have some issues with it.

Well, I'm a Yanks fan, and this is one of many things I have a problem with:

Taking this

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/oys22.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/Old_Yankee_Stadium_Postcard.jpg

and turning it into this

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/3769_800px-yankee_stadium_exterior.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/YankeeStadiumugh.jpg

[threeyoda]

honestly, i think the new Yankee stadium belongs on this thread. if you take into consideration the pure ugliness of the place, the rudeness of the ushers and the incredibly high prices plus the "moat"as its been dubbed, not to mention the center field blind spot which is worse than i ever thought. anyone who says it resembles the pre renovated stadium does not know anything about the original structure. lastly that frieze is a sorry attempt at a replication.

I disagree with everything you said about it except the prices. I think the place is beautiful. Rude ushers? I don't mind the CF Sports Bar. It resembles the old stadium. It might not look exactly like it inch for inch, but it resembles it. Imagine going to NYS and seeing a 2000's ballpark, and then see a 1920's decoration. It would be out of place.

[Rob R]

honestly, i think the new Yankee stadium belongs on this thread. if you take into consideration the pure ugliness of the place, the rudeness of the ushers and the incredibly high prices plus the "moat"as its been dubbed, not to mention the center field blind spot which is worse than i ever thought. anyone who says it resembles the pre renovated stadium does not know anything about the original structure. lastly that frieze is a sorry attempt at a replication.

??? Rude ushers? If anything, they are TOO freakin nice. Sure that you've been there?

As for the "pure ugliness", it's you're opinion, but of the thousands of people who have described NYS, you're probably the first I've heard call it that. I'm dead serious.

To me (and many) "ugly" was that 1970's renovation.

[threeyoda]

Well, I'm a Yanks fan, and this is one of many things I have a problem with:

Taking this

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/oys22.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/Old_Yankee_Stadium_Postcard.jpg

and turning it into this

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241/fafafooey69/yankeestadium.jpg

Or taking the first two and putting up a clock:

[Rob R]

Or taking the first two and putting up a clock:
Yep. If anything, NYS has restored the more classic look and shows a greater respect for OYS than how they neglected it and then turned it into RYS.

[YankeeFanBx]

honestly, i think the new Yankee stadium belongs on this thread. if you take into consideration the pure ugliness of the place, the rudeness of the ushers and the incredibly high prices plus the "moat"as its been dubbed, not to mention the center field blind spot which is worse than i ever thought. anyone who says it resembles the pre renovated stadium does not know anything about the original structure. lastly that frieze is a sorry attempt at a replication.
I find nothing ugly about Yankee Stadium, I saw quite a few games at the old ballpark and this place is a vast improvement.
I don't like the price gouging, this place is mighty expensive, whoever there is no way I long for the return of cramped Yankee Stadium.

[Drivinjoe56]

Yep. If anything, NYS has restored the more classic look and shows a greater respect for OYS than how they neglected it and then turned it into RYS.

yes and thats how the cycle goes in 40 to 60 years they are going to renovate or build a new stadium that looks like RYS

[NYBase]

yes and thats how the cycle goes in 40 to 60 years they are going to renovate or build a new stadium that looks like RYS


Ironic... hehe. Imagine Citi Field with some orange and red seats :)

We (people) tend to like things more when they are gone. It's lame.

[yankees650B]

maybe I've been a little to critical, it's just when i get started it's hard to stop. as a person very interested in architecture and built my own Yankee stadium model for a school project that involved research into every inch of the pre renovated stadium. i just personally would have designed the stadium different and I'm mad that it didn't turn out exactly how i wanted. i think with some alterations i could possible like it one day but i don't think that is of interest to the Yankees at all.
this is my stadium not entirely finished at the time but it's the last ones i have of it. every section was entirely accurate. the only way i was able to create it was by using post from everyone on baseball fever. it's really the best site for everything stadiums. just to explain, i had to use modern adds for the project.

[Rob R]

maybe I've been a little to critical, it's just when i get started it's hard to stop. as a person very interested in architecture and built my own Yankee stadium model for a school project that involved research into every inch of the pre renovated stadium. i just personally would have designed the stadium different and I'm mad that it didn't turn out exactly how i wanted. i think with some alterations i could possible like it one day but i don't think that is of interest to the Yankees at all.
this is my stadium not entirely finished at the time but it's the last ones i have of it. every section was entirely accurate. the only way i was able to create it was by using post from everyone on baseball fever. it's really the best site for everything stadiums. just to explain, i had to use modern adds for the project.
VERY nice. Great job on that project. :applaud:

[Rob R]

yes and thats how the cycle goes in 40 to 60 years they are going to renovate or build a new stadium that looks like RYS

This is so true. Everything becomes "retro" and better appreciated (sometimes undeservedly so) at some point in the future.

[Pelt]

Regarding all the latest posts about RYS vs NYS - This is exactly why, when Boston finally lets go of Fenway, I hope they build something that is not a modern clone/interpretation of Fenway.

I hope they build something that is completely different. But, unfortunately, they'll probably do something HOKraptastic, with a new Green Monster and all.

[Rob R]

Regarding all the latest posts about RYS vs NYS - This is exactly why, when Boston finally lets go of Fenway, I hope they build something that is not a modern clone/interpretation of Fenway.

I hope they build something that is completely different. But, unfortunately, they'll probably do something HOKraptastic, with a new Green Monster and all.
I don't think Sox fans will allow any thought of a stadium that doesn't have the look and feel of Fenway. There'll be riots on Yawkey Way, and understandably so.

If they built a Yankee Stadium any differently - say with brick, steel, and that minor-league coziness, I'd be severely p'd off.

[YankeeFanBx]

maybe I've been a little to critical, it's just when i get started it's hard to stop. as a person very interested in architecture and built my own Yankee stadium model for a school project that involved research into every inch of the pre renovated stadium. i just personally would have designed the stadium different and I'm mad that it didn't turn out exactly how i wanted. i think with some alterations i could possible like it one day but i don't think that is of interest to the Yankees at all.
this is my stadium not entirely finished at the time but it's the last ones i have of it. every section was entirely accurate. the only way i was able to create it was by using post from everyone on baseball fever. it's really the best site for everything stadiums. just to explain, i had to use modern adds for the project.
Very nice, I miss that green patina, I thought it was a great part of the original stadium I saw.

[yankees650B]

Regarding all the latest posts about RYS vs NYS - This is exactly why, when Boston finally lets go of Fenway, I hope they build something that is not a modern clone/interpretation of Fenway.

I hope they build something that is completely different. But, unfortunately, they'll probably do something HOKraptastic, with a new Green Monster and all.
Evan though I'm a huge Yankee fan i can admit that fenway park is the best stadium in baseball, however i haven't yet been to Wrigley. my visit to fenway was amazing it was a great place to watch a game and also had great energy. i would be very mad if the red sox ever moved but i understand it may be necessary. i would have to be them in an entirely modern park as i do any other team. in Boston it really seems like it's not about the unimportant amenities when i was there i was really into the game.

[Pelt]

I don't think Sox fans will allow any thought of a stadium that doesn't have the look and feel of Fenway. There'll be riots on Yawkey Way, and understandably so.

If they built a Yankee Stadium any differently - say with brick, steel, and that minor-league coziness, I'd be severely p'd off.

I've seen the idea that was introduced a few years back and I'd be pretty upset if they went with that - when the time comes.

I think a park can be done that holds to the feel of Fenway, without totally redoing Fenway. I had this idea as a crude example. It is unfinished, but I think it conveys the gist.

[Rob R]

I've seen the idea that was introduced a few years back and I'd be pretty upset if they went with that - when the time comes.

I think a park can be done that holds to the feel of Fenway, without totally redoing Fenway. I had this idea as a crude example. It is unfinished, but I think it conveys the gist.

Sweet! That looks incredibly impressive and gorgeous. The shot of the backstop especially conveys the look and feel of Fenway without being an exact duplicate. Very nice.

[atdy17]

The only problem is that there is no green monster. I know Red Sox fans will go riot if there is no green monster.

[mandrake]

Pelt

The lowest level looks like it has a MOAT around the closest section to the field.

[Pelt]

Pelt

The lowest level looks like it has a MOAT around the closest section to the field.

It's just a simple box seating area that you would have found in any old park like Forbes, OYS, etc... That walking area doesn't sink down like the one at NYS.

In my perfect world, anybody would be allowed to walk around down there if they wanted to, but reality seems to dictate otherwise.

[SJLT252]

Knowing how greedy the Yankees are, the way the new stadium was built with a outer and inner concourse, it probably does not seem that hard if say 15-20 years from now they wanted to convert the stadium into a all-skybox and club seat stadium.

[DukeBX]

Miller Park: I don't like the whole roof and huge wall in the outfield. feels like still being inside,even if the roof is open.

Minute Maid Park: Also looks indoors cause of the roof. I like to see the outside/sky once in a while. with these types of roofs,you can't. I think Safeco is the best park with a roof. still makes it feel like you're outside while the roof is open. the whole left and center field is free of the hovering roof.

Toronto's Rogers Centre: Looks outdated with all the news Parks. was cool 20 years ago. not so much now.

Great American Ballpark: That space in left is like a cavity. i wonder why they didn't just seal it up. some players say that a jet stream fools around with some fly balls. Park looks kinda plain.

Nationals Park: the TV camera angle is too high!