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rkbenn
02-24-2009, 11:40 AM
There was a nice piece on ESPN on a Righty and Lefty from India that knew nothing of baseball that won a contest for throwing a baseball the fastest. Righty 89 and Lefty 87. Atter winning he came to the states and worked with Tom House, and they both signed with the Pirates. Both did not know who Ruth, or Mays were.
They threw a lot like Mike Marshall pitchers....both threw Javolin growing up.
It was pretty impressive considering neither had decent mechanics ... thats when I would be suprised when both are in the 90's with a little teaching and working out a little.
rkbenn
02-24-2009, 02:35 PM
It was pretty impressive considering neither had decent mechanics ... thats when I would be suprised when both are in the 90's with a little teaching and working out a little.
That's why House said they had a lot of upside.
shake-n-bake
02-24-2009, 02:55 PM
There was a nice piece on ESPN on a Righty and Lefty from India that knew nothing of baseball that won a contest for throwing a baseball the fastest. Righty 89 and Lefty 87. Atter winning he came to the states and worked with Tom House, and they both signed with the Pirates. Both did not know who Ruth, or Mays were.
Interestly enough both have posted on a number of hitting threads here at BBF such as the role of the top hand in the rotational versus linear swing as well as a number of other youth oriented topics such as skeletal development and training theories.
Evidentally not knowing who Ruth and Mays were has far less significance in determining one's baseball expertise. Because as it turns out they each apparently have 2 kids, a college player and one who plays in HS.
rkbenn
02-24-2009, 03:12 PM
Interestly enough both have posted on a number of hitting threads here at BBF such as the role of the top hand in the rotational versus linear swing as well as a number of other youth oriented topics such as skeletal development and training theories.
Then, how do these kids throw so hard?
Jake Patterson
02-24-2009, 06:31 PM
There was a nice piece on ESPN on a Righty and Lefty from India that knew nothing of baseball that won a contest for throwing a baseball the fastest. Righty 89 and Lefty 87. Atter winning he came to the states and worked with Tom House, and they both signed with the Pirates. Both did not know who Ruth, or Mays were.
They threw a lot like Mike Marshall pitchers....both threw Javolin growing up.
Did they play Cricket??
PhilliesPhan22
02-24-2009, 08:08 PM
I am getting a sense of deja vu all over again.
Knights Baseball
02-24-2009, 10:26 PM
With way they threw the ball on that contest, I would have to believe that they played a good bit of cricket. I saw something about this a couple of months ago when it happened and the article said that some people wanted to see how much of a factor genetics and natural talent was,
rkbenn
02-25-2009, 07:48 AM
Did they play Cricket??
They threw Javolin...looked like a MM pupil.
Jake Patterson
02-25-2009, 08:14 AM
They threw Javolin...looked like a MM pupil.There were arguments sometime back that this technique lacks accuracy and variety.
I meant I wouldn't be suprised but you got that :-) .... also even if they did play cricket thats more of a straight arm throw isn't it? I'd imagine you would have to whip it even harder with a straight arm to get that kind of velocity.
dominik
02-26-2009, 11:37 AM
They where not cricket players but javelin throwers. In cricket the rules force you throwing with a straight arm(still only the pitchers throw like that) in jav you don't throw with a straight arm!
I don't think their accuracy has anything to to with their technique being Marshall, House, Mills or any other school of thought, but with the fact that they didn't touch a baseball till last year.
Yeah they most likely won't make it to the majors, but the fact that they started bb with 20 and still managed to get to nearly 90 mph(with great coaching of course) is an amazing feat. Many players who started at 4 years and played their whole life don't accomplish that.
Yes they are a marketing gag, but we should respect them for their will to improve and what they accomplish. They deserve our respect.
Does anyone have a clip of them throwing(newer one preferred)?
rkbenn
02-26-2009, 09:15 PM
They where not cricket players but javelin throwers. In cricket the rules force you throwing with a straight arm(still only the pitchers throw like that) in jav you don't throw with a straight arm!
I don't think their accuracy has anything to to with their technique being Marshall, House, Mills or any other school of thought, but with the fact that they didn't touch a baseball till last year.
Yeah they most likely won't make it to the majors, but the fact that they started bb with 20 and still managed to get to nearly 90 mph(with great coaching of course) is an amazing feat. Many players who started at 4 years and played their whole life don't accomplish that.
Yes they are a marketing gag, but we should respect them for their will to improve and what they accomplish. They deserve our respect.
Does anyone have a clip of them throwing(newer one preferred)?
This is how they threw...STRAIGHT arm like a javelin. The righty his 90 without coaching, and the lefty hit 87 without coaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5wdaSwVeTo&feature=related
Knights Baseball
02-26-2009, 10:22 PM
They did have some coaching. I can't remember exactly, but I believe that I read an article that said that they trained for a couple of months before the try outs. I know the right hit ninty after they trained with House. The espn show said that the lefty hit 87 on won the conest and they never said what the righty threw but it had to be less that 87. Still amazing though.
dominik
02-27-2009, 04:55 AM
This is how they threw...STRAIGHT arm like a javelin. The righty his 90 without coaching, and the lefty hit 87 without coaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5wdaSwVeTo&feature=related
The arm is straight at the begin, but then bends and re extends like in baseball. In cricket it stays straight(due to rules) throughout the whole throw.
Tero has a hammer. I bet he could throw in the high nineties when first grabbing a baseball:)
He's a wonderful athlete, here's a vid of him training:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EM2F3PfQvg
The Glovedoctor
02-27-2009, 09:01 AM
I thought it was interesting that a few years back when Luis Castillo had that hittingstreak going for the Marlins was quoted as saying he didn't know who Joe DiMaggio was.
They did have some coaching. I can't remember exactly, but I believe that I read an article that said that they trained for a couple of months before the try outs. I know the right hit ninty after they trained with House. The espn show said that the lefty hit 87 on won the conest and they never said what the righty threw but it had to be less that 87. Still amazing though.
Yes, they trained with USC's pitching coach prior to the showing to MLB scouts. I believe the righty threw 85 .... I know they said it on ESPN when they showed it.
Buczilla
02-27-2009, 09:21 AM
Here is the Outside The Lines piece they did on these two....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC3gczLJLuE
There are some other in game action video's of them on the Tube.
rkbenn
02-27-2009, 09:51 AM
Yes, they trained with USC's pitching coach prior to the showing to MLB scouts. I believe the righty threw 85 .... I know they said it on ESPN when they showed it.
Yes, but they were throwing that speed prior to their workouts with House.
Yes, but they were throwing that speed prior to their workouts with House.
My mistake ... I didn't know you were talking about after I thought you were talking about the competition.
rkbenn
03-01-2009, 10:01 AM
Another showing right now at 12pm Eastern
beisbolcrazy22
03-02-2009, 09:12 PM
This cricket bowler at the end of the video throws 95mph with a straight arm.
http://video.msn.com/dw.aspx?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=31e9671f-666f-49e7-ae32-ce01dcb0928e
laflippin
03-03-2009, 10:58 AM
Back in August, 2008, my son attended a HS prospect camp at USC and he was paired up with Dinesh Patel for warm-ups and pitching drills. Later, when the propects divided up into scrimmage teams, I took quite a bit of video of various players with a Fastec Imaging camera. I didn't have any idea who these guys were at the time but it turns out that I recorded one clip each of Dinesh (the RHP) and Rinku Singh (LHP) pitching from the mound under game conditions. After the story broke in November that they had been signed by the Pirates organization, my son and I looked back through my video archives and, badda boom, here they are....
Dinesh Patel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjnBy0sF-Bc
Rinku Singh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMd-eRLJ4PE
rkbenn
03-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Back in August, 2008, my son attended a HS prospect camp at USC and he was paired up with Dinesh Patel for warm-ups and pitching drills. Later, when the propects divided up into scrimmage teams, I took quite a bit of video of various players with a Fastec Imaging camera. I didn't have any idea who these guys were at the time but it turns out that I recorded one clip each of Dinesh (the RHP) and Rinku Singh (LHP) pitching from the mound under game conditions. After the story broke in November that they had been signed by the Pirates organization, my son and I looked back through my video archives and, badda boom, here they are....
Dinesh Patel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjnBy0sF-Bc
Rinku Singh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMd-eRLJ4PE
Thank you for posting
laflippin
03-04-2009, 10:13 AM
You're welcome, rkbenn.
My son said Dinesh is a real nice guy...very friendly and not "star-struck" by any means. He seems to be enjoying the remarkable changes in his life...
Apparently, both pitchers had been working with Tom House for 5 or 6 months by the time my son met them. My impression is that they both could throw a baseball in the high 80's, and were both minimally accurate enough in the Million Dollar Arm contest to be selected (neither won the $1M prize, although Rinku did do well enough to win $100K, and Dinesh won something less than that.)
But, the best part of the deal for both of them was the opportunity to train with House at USC. House trained them from the ground up to be baseball pitchers, rather than just two guys who could throw a ball pretty fast. They both must be pretty smart, talented, and highly-coachable athletes with plenty of raw ability because both made quite a bit of progress toward becoming real baseball pitchers in only a short time at USC.
Whether or not Dinesh and/or Rinku will ever make it beyond the lower minor leagues, most people would say they have already succeeded against very tall odds. A major part of the Million Dollar Arm concept was apparently to open up India, a country of 1 billion people, as a potential source of talented athletes who might eventually make contributions to baseball. Since Dinesh and Rinku have paved the way for additional follow-up contests of that sort in India, the overall concept looks promising as well.