Hitting clip - feedback?

[snatex]

Here is a hitting clip from today. The quality on youtube is not as good as in imovie on my cpu. Is there a better way to post these types of things? Let me know if there is something else I can post that would be more helpful. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_kl6RZuVU

[FiveFrameSwing]

http://groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/delme/Unknown.gif

[LAball]

Thanks FFS for the post.
IMO ..... I dont like the way the body lifts up during the swing. I believe the body needs to fall during the swing ( I guess thats what they mean by sitting on the back leg, though i dont like that que) , or at least be able to fall, controlling this fall is key.

[FiveFrameSwing]

Don't like it .... starts off with a poor loading sequence lacking stretch and fire mechanics.

Performs his negative move (the loading of his rear leg) in parallel with his upper body, and then stalls there falling into foot plant. Poorly timed sequence.

[omg]

Split grip? Too much top hand-you are hooking the ball. Lotta pulled fouls?

[snatex]

Split grip? Too much top hand-you are hooking the ball. Lotta pulled fouls?

I've been working on Yeager's split grip drills a lot lately - trying to really throw that top hand past the bottom hand. I didn't realize that this clip had a split grip. I don't do that in games. I'll post another clip soon with a proper grip.

[snatex]

Thanks FFS for the post.
IMO ..... I dont like the way the body lifts up during the swing. I believe the body needs to fall during the swing ( I guess thats what they mean by sitting on the back leg, though i dont like that que) , or at least be able to fall, controlling this fall is key.

When I am pushing off my front side my back foot comes off the ground and I guess I see a little lift up. Is that what you are referring to? I'm guessing that the front side push may be more pronounced on the concrete in my garage than on a field. I have been working on dropping a dead front foot - ie fall. I've also been trying to keep my hips and weight from sliding too far forward. Any tips or advice to correct the flaws you see?

[snatex]

Don't like it .... starts off with a poor loading sequence lacking stretch and fire mechanics.

Performs his negative move (the loading of his rear leg) in parallel with his upper body, and then stalls there falling into foot plant. Poorly timed sequence.

I googled "stretch and fire." Is this what you are referring to?

http://baseballideas.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

I have all the Yeager DVD's and have been trying to incorporate it all. I guess I have along way to go. :D

What does the load in parallel with the upper body mean? I don't feel like I am pausing or stalling in the load but I will keep an eye on it. How can I time the sequence better? What needs to happen? The front foot is landing before firing the hands. That is correct right?

How did you convert to gif? Is that the best way to post clips?

Thanks again.

[Chris O'Leary]

Here is a hitting clip from today. The quality on youtube is not as good as in imovie on my cpu. Is there a better way to post these types of things? Let me know if there is something else I can post that would be more helpful. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_kl6RZuVU

I'm not a fan of the solohitter because it looks like its interfering with your footwork and stride.

I would replace it with a Juggs net and a Tanner tee.

[snatex]

I'm not a fan of the solohitter because it looks like its interfering with your footwork and stride.

I would replace it with a Juggs net and a Tanner tee.

Thanks for the tip. I've been thinking about doing that for awhile now. The convenience of not having to bend down after every swing has been tough to let go of. :D Any idea who has the best deal online for that combo?

[BoardMember]

......What does the load in parallel with the upper body mean?.........

A parallel load could mean that the lower and upper body are using a simataneous negetive move to load, then a simataneous positive move to unload............

Probably the easiest way to describe the proper load is that the negetive/positve moves are separated at the waist...........

In Beltran's load below, the lower body is in it's positive move, while the upper body is loading up with a negetive move...........

http://i42.tinypic.com/11rvdap.gif

[FiveFrameSwing]

I googled "stretch and fire." Is this what you are referring to?

http://baseballideas.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

I have all the Yeager DVD's and have been trying to incorporate it all. I guess I have along way to go. :D

What does the load in parallel with the upper body mean? I don't feel like I am pausing or stalling in the load but I will keep an eye on it. How can I time the sequence better? What needs to happen? The front foot is landing before firing the hands. That is correct right?

How did you convert to gif? Is that the best way to post clips?

Thanks again.


Notice in the following 5 frames that your rear arm/hand is not moving back, yet you are still striding/reaching forward with your front foot.

http://www.groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/delme/Unknown2.gif

I question performing too much work on "the top hand throwing past the bottom hand" prior to synchronizing your top hand with your lower body mechanics. I also question making that a major emphasis of the swing ... as it appears your action is 'late' ... but that's a different topic. Yeager's sidearm throwing drills will help you get past this. All my students are required to perform this drill prior to BP or games ... it's part of there everyday drills.

Think in terms of a pitcher ... there is no interruption of the flow from windup to delivery in pitching and no need to adjust pause, capture and hold stretch.

As you study Yeager you'll learn that he considers hip/shoulder spatial separation to be the second biggest source of force generation in the elite swing. This separation needs to be timed correctly ... and you'll learn to do this with the sidearm throwing drills. Without building this in to your swing you'll fail to capture a significant power source. Others attribute "adjustability" to this portion of the swing ... so you're losing on two fronts ... power and adjustability.

Bottom line ... I'd recommend back tracking slightly and improving your synchronization of the top hand with your lower body. CY's sidearm throwing drills work well for my students in developing this synchronization.

There's considerably more that I could write on stretch & fire ... but I'm short on time.

[FiveFrameSwing]

Read Boardmember's post.... he's a good source.

While there is a 'line' drawn in the GIF below, it's really a "relative" movement of the rear arm/hand moving back during the forward stride that is important. Some use the cue "walking away from the hands".

Sorry to be in a rush. BM will take care of you.

http://groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/LeadArmExtensionBackToCatcher/Bonds.gif

[BoardMember]

Read Boardmember's post.... he's a good source.

While there is a 'line' drawn in the GIF below, it's really a "relative" movement of the rear arm/hand moving back during the forward stride that is important. Some use the cue "walking away from the hands".

Sorry to be in a rush. BM will take care of you.

http://groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/LeadArmExtensionBackToCatcher/Bonds.gif

Actually, I'm headed out for another sub-par round.......:D

[conky149er]

Thanks for the tip. I've been thinking about doing that for awhile now. The convenience of not having to bend down after every swing has been tough to let go of. :D Any idea who has the best deal online for that combo?

ive also been meanign to replace my solohitter

[DukeK]

Snatex - best way to post is to start with an AVI file and edit to length. Then use something like Ulead Gif Animator 5 or Jasc Animation Shop (available in Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7) to make the animated gif file. Set yourself up a free photbucket account, drop the animated gif file in it and post the link. The trick is to make the AVI file small enough so you don't end up with a huge file when you create the animated gif.

There might be some other software available to convert to animated gif out there. I personally use Pinnacle Studio to edit and Jasc Animation shop to convert.

[omg]

ive also been meanign to replace my solohitter

A Solohitter is better than hitting off of a tee into a net 3 feet in front of you.

[MSandman]

What does the load in parallel with the upper body mean? I don't feel like I am pausing or stalling in the load but I will keep an eye on it. How can I time the sequence better? What needs to happen? The front foot is landing before firing the hands. That is correct right?

Loading Sequence article (http://members.cox.net/msanda/Loading%20Sequence.htm)

http://members.cox.net/sandmanbaseball/Loading%20Sequence.gif

[benz99]

We love the solo hitter. My boy uses it before school, takes a few swings where if it were a tee I don't think he would bother. As far as it getting in the way of your stride it is v shaped & you generally try to hit the ball near your front foot so unless your really hitting it deep in the zone it doesn't get in our way.

[conky149er]

A Solohitter is better than hitting off of a tee into a net 3 feet in front of you.

well that net i use is a solohitter

[omg]

We love the solo hitter. My boy uses it before school, takes a few swings where if it were a tee I don't think he would bother. As far as it getting in the way of your stride it is v shaped & you generally try to hit the ball near your front foot so unless your really hitting it deep in the zone it doesn't get in our way.

Right. People will be more likely to use it than a tee. Picking up balls and the tee is a pain. The solohitter is inviting, a good conditioner, and a good warm up tool.

For a tee, it's better to hit into an open area rather than a net right in front. This drill is also better than a solohitter but most are too lazy to do it.

[Chris O'Leary]

Right. People will be more likely to use it than a tee. Picking up balls and the tee is a pain. The solohitter is inviting, a good conditioner, and a good warm up tool.

Every time I see people using a Solohitter, I see them modifying their footwork (whether they need to or not).

A bad drill is worse than no drill, because you have to undo the muscle memory.


For a tee, it's better to hit into an open area rather than a net right in front. This drill is also better than a solohitter but most are too lazy to do it.

I don't see the difference between hitting into a net and hitting into a net.

[benz99]

[QUOTE=Chris O'Leary;1437449]Every time I see people using a Solohitter, I see them modifying their footwork (whether they need to or not).

I just don't get the footwork thing, how far are you striding to have the frame get in the way?? It's not even close for me or my boy

[Encinitas]

Every time I see people using a Solohitter, I see them modifying their footwork (whether they need to or not).



I do use a SwingAway which is more expensive than the Solohitter but the layout is slightly different. Seems never more than 5 seconds before a reset.

[omg]

I don't see the difference between hitting into a net and hitting into a net.

In my experience, kids will use the crap out of solohitters. Tees, you have to order kids to do it. Solohitter has a little better feel than the tee because it doesn't have the tube underneath.

[Berkman#17]

I don't see the difference between hitting into a net and hitting into a net.

I don't think anybody does.

[CoachW]

In my opinion you dont look to get much hip action at all in the swing and it appears to be a very armsy swing. You appear to hip sliding, not actually rotating the hips. I think the top hand needs to be thrown more, and eventhough you say you are working on it it doesnt appear to me to be happening correctly. Your lead arm needs to "jut" up more instead of just being completely extended like it appears to be. You aren't really throwing the top hand you are pulling it around, while your hios are sliding not rotating.

Coach W

[Drill]

In my opinion you dont look to get much hip action at all in the swing and it appears to be a very armsy swing. You appear to hip sliding, not actually rotating the hips. I think the top hand needs to be thrown more, and eventhough you say you are working on it it doesnt appear to me to be happening correctly. Your lead arm needs to "jut" up more instead of just being completely extended like it appears to be. You aren't really throwing the top hand you are pulling it around, while your hios are sliding not rotating.

Coach W


I just wish I could see his finish/follow through/ extension: Needs a good weight shift with lower body, lesson 1st, than work on upper body. Lesson. Agree with what you see, but need to do one thing at a time for a good plan of action.


imho,

drill