AROD is less then 1% of the failed testers

[joshfan]

If he's going to be BSlapped day in day out where is the demand for the other 103?
Fair is fair and at least this guy said ,"yeah I did em,",,,, didn't exactly do it in the most unadulterated fashion but he took the hit.
I want every other fail to be named and today so we can see how many 100 mph pitchers who maybe set save records or anyone for that matter we should be scrutinizing in this microscopic fashion

[blacksilverfan12]

I'm on the fence here. While it would be fair to A-Rod to reveal the others, they were supposed to be confidential/anonymous to begin with. How many of those 103 are still playing? I looked over the names in the Mitchell Report today. Of the 68 names, I counted 18 who are active. My point is that it's beating a dead horse

[joshfan]

I'm on the fence here. While it would be fair to A-Rod to reveal the others, they were supposed to be confidential/anonymous to begin with. How many of those 103 are still playing? I looked over the names in the Mitchell Report today. Of the 68 names, I counted 18 who are active. My point is that it's beating a dead horse
I agree ,I am ticked these were not treated properly but with Katies barn door open ARod is being unfairly pounded.
Did Gagne fail?
None of these should have been out there but if they know ARod failed the rest are fair game,imo

[leecemark]

--Whoever leaked A-Rod's name should be prosecuted. The crime against his privacy doesn't mean that the other 103 should suffer the same fate.

[Buczilla]

--Whoever leaked A-Rod's name should be prosecuted. The crime against his privacy doesn't mean that the other 103 should suffer the same fate.

This Just In
Who's on trial in the Bonds case? Not just Barry.
by Jon Pessah

On March 2, the Barry Bonds trial will begin, and a jury will decide if he lied under oath about using steroids. But the trial really isn't about Bonds—most of us decided long ago what to think of the home run king. No, this trial is about federal agent Jeff Novitzky, who has spent seven years and millions of dollars dragging Bonds to court. It's also about whether we want the government policing sports.

Until September 2003, Novitzky was an anonymous IRS special agent working drug and fraud crimes in Silicon Valley. Then his investigation into BALCO blew the lid off steroids. Soon he had the backing of Congress, President Bush—who included steroids in a State of the Union—and the U.S. attorney general, who announced the BALCO indictment on national TV. That's a lot of clout for an IRS agent. Maybe too much.

That's certainly how it looked in 2004 when Novitzky raided Comprehensive Drug Testing, the nation's largest sports-drug testing company. What happened on that day is complicated but boils down to this: Novitzky walked into CDT with 11 armed agents and a search warrant for the confidential test results of 10 baseball players with ties to BALCO. Hours later, he walked out with more than 4,000 medical files, including those of every major league baseball player, a bunch of NFL and NHL pros, and workers from three businesses. Maybe one that employs you.

Three federal judges reviewed the raid. One asked, incredulously, if the Fourth Amendment had been repealed. Another, Susan Illston, who has presided over the BALCO trials, called Novitzky's actions a "callous disregard" for constitutional rights. All three instructed him to return the records. Instead, Novitzky kept the evidence, reviewed the results and received clearance from an appeals court to pursue 103 MLB players who, those records revealed, had tested positive for steroids. (That investigation is pending another appeals court decision, expected this fall.)

An IRS watchdog unit has found cause to question the agent's methods too. One of Novitzky's handpicked subordinates said his boss talked openly about cashing in on the BALCO investigation with a book deal. Novitzky told the watchdogs he had spoken of a deal, but only in jest, admitting his words "might have been misconstrued." He was also asked about leaks in his investigation, the most damning of which was a record of his interrogation of BALCO founder Victor Conte. In it, Novitzky wrote that Conte admitted to giving Bonds steroids. Conte denied the report, but the story all but convicted Bonds in the court of public opinion long before he could be tried in a court of law. Novitzky denied he was the source of any leaks.

Then there was the missing evidence: $600 of the $63,920 confiscated in the raid on the home of Greg Anderson, Bonds' former trainer. Novitzky couldn't account for the missing cash, but a 150-page report from the IRS watchdogs cleared him of any wrongdoing in regard to the money and other accusations. Nevertheless, former high-ranking Justice Department officials say the missing evidence could blow Novitzky's credibility in the Bonds perjury trial.

That's the thing about running a very high-profile, very expensive federal investigation: You're supposed to be both careful and judicious with your power. On too many occasions over the past seven years, the man leading the government's steroids probe was neither. Case in point: After Anderson served three months in jail for dealing steroids and money laundering, Novitzky and the feds put him back in for 13 more for refusing to testify against Bonds. They also waited three years to return $41,420 of the seized $63,920, violating Anderson's plea agreement. And most recently, they opened tax investigations on his wife and mother-in-law, neither of whom has anything to do with Bonds, to force the trainer to testify.

No matter what you think of Novitzky's tactics, he has changed the landscape. Keeping sports clean was once a confidential matter, overseen by scientists with test tubes. Novitzky has ushered in an era of stiffer laws in which the feds run point; in which suspect athletes now face armed raids and tapped phone lines; in which Congress pours millions of dollars into the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, a quasi-governmental outfit that uses aggressive tactics to go after amateurs it suspects of using steroids.

Now the Novitzky era reaches a climax with the March 2 trial. Whatever the verdict, Bonds' reputation has been ruined. And since U.S. attorney general Eric Holder and President Obama have said leagues—not governments—should police steroids, Novitzky's crusade will likely end. And that leaves a question for the rest of us to ask: Was it really worth it?


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3896270

You can start by looking in the direction of this Novitzky character.

[blacksilverfan12]

None of these should have been out there but if they know ARod failed the rest are fair game,imo

That could be the only way to put this to rest. But...it would be the same if you or I had to take a drug test for our job. You wouldn't want people looking around, trying to see if you passed or failed. Damned if we do, damned if we don't

[STLCards2]

None of these should have been out there but if they know ARod failed the rest are fair game,imo

Haven't you hear the phrase: 102 wrongs don't make a right?:D

Sometimes fair and right aren't the same thing. It might be fair to release the other 102 names, but it doesn't mean leaking illegal information is right.

[NYMets523]

--Whoever leaked A-Rod's name should be prosecuted. The crime against his privacy doesn't mean that the other 103 should suffer the same fate.

Please. Journalists have been doing this type of things for years. Prosecuting a reporter who leaked one name from a report that had no repercussions on players who failed the test would be an enormous waste of time and money. The Union should have destroyed the test results years ago; they're the real ones at fault.

[DGDGBD]

Please. Journalists have been doing this type of things for years. Prosecuting a reporter who leaked one name from a report that had no repercussions on players who failed the test would be an enormous waste of time and money. The Union should have destroyed the test results years ago; they're the real ones at fault.
Ultimately, the leak originated from a govt source, or a legal professional involved in the bonds trial, etc. I assumed that was what leecemark meant. Regardless, its a moot point since it will never happen.

[rockin500]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3896270

You can start by looking in the direction of this Novitzky character.
he needs to be fired and thrown in jail, both. At the very least he committed gross abuse of power.

[KCGHOST]

To me the only reason that only Arod's name was leaked was to help Roberts and Verducci make headlines and sell books. They knew that if they listed everybody their work would be lost in the deluge.

Their is no Right to Privacy in this case. Their may have been an expectation of confidentiality but there was no Right involved. It is obvious that the Union failed in its stewardship to see that the tests were conducted in a manner that would guarantee confidentiality. They should never have allowed a system that permit the test takers to put a unique code on a sample that could be tied to a specific player.

Also, had the MLBPA leaders not fought any form of drug testing and punishment to the last ditch (i.e. Congress) this whole mess could have been minimized. In the NFL guys get caught, get punished, and that's the end of it. In baseball a positive drug test now results in massive outcries of betrayal and condemnation.

[west coast orange and black]

nymets523: The Union should have destroyed the test results years ago; they're the real ones at fault.

at fault are the feds who abused their power.

[west coast orange and black]

the feds had warrants to search quest diagnostics and comprehensive drug testing, inc, only for test results of fewer than a dozen athletes (the atheltes associated with the ongoing balco case).
the subpoenas were resisted by the testing companies in attempt to protect the privacy of the players.

quest and cdt then moved to nullify the subpoena. in doing so they agreed that the test results and samples of the ten or so persons named would not be destroyed pending resolution of the request of nullification.

the feds then obtained a subpoena by claiming that the testing facilities were seeking nullification of the subpoenas – but they failed to mention the agreement to preserve the test results and samples.
that is abuse of power. the feds then methodically went well beyond collecting data of only balco-related athletes.
that is abuse of power

it is critical to remember that the survey test results were to be anonymous and the samples destroyed –
without the contractual anonymity there absolutely would have been no survey.

appellate judge sydney thomas asked: “what happened to the fourth amendment? was it repealed somehow?"
i have the same questions.

there is a tendency to put so much emphasis on the "integrity of the game" (read: "integrity of the records") that the greater issues of substance abuse, civil protection, honoring contracts, etc, are shoved aside.

to those clamoring for additional names, to those claiming "fair is fair":
please explain how furthering a wrong – exposing additional players – would be fair.

[west coast orange and black]

a decision on whether the confiscated data is to remain sealed is forthcoming (oral arguments were heard in san francisco two months ago) we just don’t know when, exactly.

for those who wagering at home: of the 11 judges of the panel, one was appointed by reagan, one by ghw bush, five by clinton and four by gw bush.

[GordonGecko]

Well we know Ivan Rodriguez is one of the other 103 players:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/15/sports/AP-BBO-Ivan-Rodriguez.html?_r=2

Quote:

Is the 37-year-old star known as Pudge on the list of 104 players who tested positive for steroids during baseball's 2003 survey?

''Only God knows,'' Rodriguez said softly.

[Brad Harris]

If he's going to be BSlapped day in day out where is the demand for the other 103?
Fair is fair and at least this guy said ,"yeah I did em,",,,, didn't exactly do it in the most unadulterated fashion but he took the hit.
I want every other fail to be named and today so we can see how many 100 mph pitchers who maybe set save records or anyone for that matter we should be scrutinizing in this microscopic fashion
I would say that "no good" can come of releasing the other names, but the more people realize how rampant PED use was, the more likely a blanket amnesty is to take effect. Attempting to punish Rodriguez retroactively - if successful - would set a very dangerous precedent.

[Brad Harris]

a decision on whether the confiscated data is to remain sealed is forthcoming (oral arguments were heard in san francisco two months ago) we just don’t know when, exactly.

for those who wagering at home: of the 11 judges of the panel, one was appointed by reagan, one by ghw bush, five by clinton and four by gw bush.
Yes, but how many are baseball fans? :laugh

[sturg1dj]

God I hate all of this. It has ruined the game I love, and I am not talking about the use of PED's I am talking about the witch hunt that has been led by the media.

[joshfan]

God I hate all of this. It has ruined the game I love, and I am not talking about the use of PED's I am talking about the witch hunt that has been led by the media.
I am with you
I love watching guys playing ball but lately it is the never ending hunt
Drunks who mailed in games are legendary figures but let's destroy guys who actually tried to improve

[DownUnderDodger]

I can only presume that someone has the list, whether a journalist, legal eagle, prosecutor, govt official or whoever. Apparently A-Rod was the most reportable name on the list at the current time so that was the name to be leaked. A-Rod is huge in Baseball and leaking the story about his misdemeanor assured huge publicity. Why would they bother leaking all the names in one go and hosing down a huge story. If there was someone 'bigger' than A-Rod on the list surely that player would have had their name leaked. A-Rod has taken the fall at the moment for the other alleged 103 users, and maybe the countless others in the game who are not on that list.

It is all about sensationalism, and it has worked a treat. Just look at newspaper headlines....wow it even gets a mention in our newspapers, and we rarely hear about MLB outside World Series or if an Aussie makes good.

And then look at the reaction here at BBF....countless threads related to steroids, A-Rod, speculation as to who has or has not used, polls, etc. It has dominated discussion since the leak was revealed.

Yes A-Rod is less than 1% of the failed testers on that alleged list, but his name is worth 100% of the attention, because he is A-Rod.