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Buczilla
02-10-2009, 07:26 PM
By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com

As baseball union leaders Donald Fehr and Gene Orza face a torrent of criticism for their handling of events leading up to Alex Rodriguez's steroid admission, Players Association founder Marvin Miller defended the union's conduct and accused the federal government and major drug-testing bodies of engaging in a "witch hunt" against prominent athletes.

But Miller, the 91-year-old Players Association icon, said union leaders are also now paying for their biggest mistake -- the decision to bow to public and congressional pressure and enter into an agreement with Major League Baseball to institute mandatory testing in 2004.

"Everything I've read in the last few days is unfair and anti-union," Miller told ESPN.com on Tuesday. "But that does not mean I agree that [union officials] are without blame. When they agreed on a testing program, I said, 'They're going to regret this, because you're going to see players going to jail.'"

Rodriguez told ESPN's Peter Gammons on Monday that he used performance-enhancing drugs while playing for the Texas Rangers from 2001 through 2003. His admission came after Sports Illustrated reported that he tested positive during a round of "survey" testing in 2003 that was supposed to be confidential.

Amid mounting criticism over the union's perceived negligence in failing to have the testing records destroyed, Fehr released a statement Monday night explaining why. He said there was only an eight-day span between receipt of the test results and notice that a federal grand jury was seeking them as part of the BALCO investigation into performance-enhancing drugs.

Fehr said the union first received test results on Nov. 11, 2003, that the results were finalized two days later and that players were notified the following day, a Friday.

"Promptly thereafter, the first steps were taken to begin the process of destruction of the testing materials and records," Fehr said. "On Nov. 19, however, we learned that the government had issued a subpoena. Upon learning this, we concluded, of course, that it would be improper to proceed with the destruction of the materials."

The Players Association negotiated with federal prosecutors in San Francisco until the following spring and pledged not to destroy the records. The union moved in April to quash the subpoena, and federal investigators obtained a search warrant and seized records from Comprehensive Drug Testing and samples from Quest Diagnostics.

Although the search warrant sought records of 10 players, the government found a spreadsheet with a list of 104 players who had tested positive; it then obtained additional search warrants and seized all records. The case has been in the courts ever since.

Miller said the time frame is evidence that the union acted properly in its decision to cooperate with authorities.

"Under these circumstances, if you just ignore what's going on and you destroy records, you're running a terrible risk of being charged with obstruction of justice," Miller said.

The fate of "the list" will be determined next by 11 appeals court judges in California.

If prosecutors are allowed to use the list and bring players before grand juries and trial courts, additional stars might be forced to admit they used steroids.

"It's definitely not fair to just pinpoint one guy," Boston's Kevin Youkilis said of his Yankees rival. "I don't know if somebody had it in for him. I don't know what because it seems like just to take one name out of that whole group is a little odd to me. If he was named with 10 other players, would that have been fair? I don't know? If they'd have listed all 104?"

Hall of Famer Goose Gossage hopes the list becomes public.

"I want to know who these other 100 guys are," he said. "Let's get it all out in the open. It certainly is not fair to A-Rod or to Bonds. They're dragging A-Rod down."

Miller leveled some pointed criticisms against the union, the media, the Justice Department and drug-testing bodies in the midst of the furor surrounding Rodriguez.

"I would never have agreed to any testing program in the first place," he said. "There's no evidence that's plausible to justify testing people indiscriminately. If the government wanted to do that, they'd have to go to court for each player tested and say, 'Here's evidence of probable cause that this player is a user of an illegal product.'"

Miller took several other hard-line and potentially unpopular stands during a 40-minute interview with ESPN.com. Among his other observations:

• On the issue of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball: "I have a personal belief that there's no such thing as a magic pill or magic injection. I don't know that there's any scientific evidence that there's a performance-enhancing drug. Players take it because they think it does. That's a far cry from saying that it does. Where is the evidence that requires testing?"

• On the argument that steroids should be eliminated from the game because of health concerns: "Not one but two surgeons general have said that tobacco use is the worst cause of death in the United States that can be prevented -- that we lose 400,000 people a year to tobacco-related incidents and over time it runs into the millions. Yet not only do we not outlaw tobacco, but the U.S. Congress keeps giving subsidies to the tobacco industry and everybody sits back and smiles. On the other hand, there's not one single documented death from the use of steroids. So that's a hypocritical lie."

• On the dangers of taking drug test results as gospel: "Anybody who has read about urine testing for a long time knows that quite a number of false positives come up. You get a false positive and then people are questioned in another context -- 'were you a user?' They say no. And then you get a news leak -- a leak of a leak, as it were -- and it turns out that you tested positive. If you said something under oath, you could go to jail and still be an innocent person."

• On why the union didn't necessarily have to bend to the wishes of membership and agree to random drug testing. "I have no doubt that was a factor in the union agreeing to it. But leadership can't just take a poll on what membership wants. You also have to judge whether this is in the best interests of the people you represent. If the entire membership voted unanimously to disband, would you do it?"

• On the media's role in perpetuating steroid use by referring to the drugs as "performance enhancers": "A kid who would love to be a professional athlete reads the sports pages or watches ESPN and is told over and over again, 'These are performance-enhancing drugs. They will make you a Barry Bonds or an A-Rod or a Roger Clemens.' The media, without evidence, keep telling young people all over the country, 'All you have to do to be a famous athlete with lots of money is take steroids.' The media are the greatest merchants of encouraging this that I've ever seen."

Miller also criticized the Justice Department for engaging in "union-busting tactics" by using the confidentiality provision in the drug testing to get information from players, and said many of the "experts" who advocate for greater testing in sports have an inherent conflict because they run labs and stand to profit.

"It's a witch hunt in baseball, for sure, but it also extends to cycling and the Olympics," Miller said. "And the victims are the athletes. They're obviously the ones being hunted down here."

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Brad Harris
02-10-2009, 10:32 PM
I have oodles of respect for Mr. Miller. I've had the good fortune to meet the man. Once again, he shows himself to be a well-thought and well-reasoned man. It's a shame the MLBPA has changed so much since Miller left.

The best thing baseball can do for the game at this stage is to call off the hounds. This is a witch hunt and the only reason the game doesn't look to be rid of the steroids drama anytime soon is because of that, not because the league or the players aren't doing enough to move forward.

Los Bravos
02-11-2009, 12:18 AM
He's definitely right about the union holding firm against testing in the first place. All of the concerns reps voiced then (about who would see the results, who would have access to them, how long they would be kept) have turned out to be quite valid. At almost every step, official behavior in these matters has been an overreach (at best) and a disgrace at worst.

KCGHOST
02-11-2009, 08:33 AM
No, Miller is wrong on this one. Since the Union itself wasn't going to clean up the problem someone else was going to. It was coming no matter what you did. Even the Union constituents (the players) wanted it. Miller is renowned as a man who worked from a consensus. If the strong majority of players wanted testing he would have permitted it to occur.

The failure of the Union to be pro-active is what went wrong. Testing occurs in every other major sport, including the Olympics, cycling and soccer) and not a single participant who was not also a distributor has went to jail. Only in baseball where the Union stonewalled this issue have participants begun to face the risk of going to jail. Why, because the Union made it in the players best short term interest to lie to people who could do them real harm. And their role in the 2003 testing was just disgraceful.

The Union's staunch opposition to testing was a major impetus to the PED's explosion in the game. If other guys are using it and you know you can't get caught why wouldn't a player at least try it?? Had the players agreed to testing just ten years earlier there would have been no Congressional hearings. There would have been no Balco. There would have been no McNamee.

Why do we know this?? Just look at the NFL. Steroids used to be part of the pre-game meals there. By agreeing to testing early on the NFL and the Players Union were able to keep the matter an internal one. When someone is caught it is handled within the confines of the NFL CBA.

Is there a witch hunt going on?? Yeah, I think so. I mean really is Barry Bonds or Miguel Tejada any real threat to society?? But this is what the Union brought on its membership.

Michael Green
02-11-2009, 09:15 AM
We tend to forget this, but Marvin Miller ran a union. He would, I think, be the first to tell you that he was incredibly successful not only because he is smart--it isn't bragging or ego if it's true--but also because major league baseball has been so dumb. If I were in a union or running one, my position would be his position, not because it is the best position to take for PR purposes, but because it is the best position for my membership, to protect them.

Now, that doesn't mean I agree with all that he says, though I agree with a lot of it, on and in principle. If it was obvious that Barry Bonds was violating a law by taking a banned substance, why did they not engage in the proper legal procedures to do something about it? The answer, at the risk of seeming to engage in a rant although that is not the intent here, is that the commissioner and owners hypocrites who care only about the bottom line. When the bottom line seems threatened, they will do something about it. That means threats to contracts and attendance, but it also means threats of regulation from Congress.

Ubiquitous
02-11-2009, 09:32 AM
At the same time KC the cover up done by NFL has allowed PEDS to explode in the NFL as well. The NFL's tact has been a good one in terms of PR but it is just as problematic as the unions stance in MLB.

The difference is that the union doesn't have to worry about PR so they don't care if they take the PR hit. Fehr, Orza, and Miller of old only have to cater to their constituents. The union leaders can be the bad guys in the eyes of the public as long as they are doing what their constituents want.

KCGHOST
02-11-2009, 11:40 AM
At the same time KC the cover up done by NFL has allowed PEDS to explode in the NFL as well. The NFL's tact has been a good one in terms of PR but it is just as problematic as the unions stance in MLB.

The difference is that the union doesn't have to worry about PR so they don't care if they take the PR hit. Fehr, Orza, and Miller of old only have to cater to their constituents. The union leaders can be the bad guys in the eyes of the public as long as they are doing what their constituents want.

What??, The NFL has not done a cover up. What they (the League and the Union) did was proactively attack the problem. Their aggressive approach had the dual blessing of 1) cutting down steroid usage and 2) keeping Congress to heck out of their business.

As to your second point, the players themselves, as a group, wanted testing. So Fehr and Orza were doing the old "we will do what we think is best" as opposed to obeying the wishes of their constituency. And this led directly to Congress getting involved. And once Congress was involved the Union stone walling position was doomed.

Ubiquitous
02-11-2009, 02:58 PM
What??, The NFL has not done a cover up. What they (the League and the Union) did was proactively attack the problem. Their aggressive approach had the dual blessing of 1) cutting down steroid usage and 2) keeping Congress to heck out of their business.

As to your second point, the players themselves, as a group, wanted testing. So Fehr and Orza were doing the old "we will do what we think is best" as opposed to obeying the wishes of their constituency. And this led directly to Congress getting involved. And once Congress was involved the Union stone walling position was doomed.

The NFL was not proactive. It took the NFL about 25 years to deal with their steroid problem and they like MLB implemented a system because the government was threatening action. In reality congress isn't going to get into the NFL's or MLB's business. They will harrumph and pose for the cameras but at the end of the day they are not going to mess with these leagues. The NFL like MLB did what almost all business sectors do which is promise to police themselves to make the government go away. MLB did not need to that for about 15 years after the NFL did. The MLB like the NFL adopted policies to appease the government. As to the first point I don't think steroid usage has been cut down at all in the NFL. I think it has gotten worse. The raids of the last few years by the government have found entire teams in the NFL using drugs. This is a bit of a hyperbole but I think most players in the NFL could not be in the NFL without drugs right now. I think the sport is swimming in drugs.


From what I can find the players as a group did not want testing, though I could be wrong.

Mantle57
02-11-2009, 03:02 PM
On the other hand, there's not one single documented death from the use of steroids. So that's a hypocritical lie."

Meet Lyle Alzado.

Paulypal
02-11-2009, 03:08 PM
On the other hand, there's not one single documented death from the use of steroids. So that's a hypocritical lie."

Meet Lyle Alzado.

Really????????

Alzado died of roids? Says who? Alzado.

There is no, none, zero evidence that his brain cancer was caused by steroids. Thats what they sold you and you bought it hook line and sinker.

Los Bravos
02-11-2009, 10:51 PM
As to the first point I don't think steroid usage has been cut down at all in the NFL. I think it has gotten worse. The raids of the last few years by the government have found entire teams in the NFL using drugs. This is a bit of a hyperbole but I think most players in the NFL could not be in the NFL without drugs right now. I think the sport is swimming in drugs.My gut feeling is that you're right. And that doesn't even begin to address the utterly shameful way former players with signifigant medical issues are treated by the NFL and the NFLPA. And very few football fans care, as long as they have some players under the helmets the next sunday to maim each other for their amusement. That is not a model I want to see baseball anywhere near.