All Time Draft #5 Draft

[The Splendid Splinter]

Draft Order:

1. SamtheBravesFan
2. mwiggins
3. Erik Bedard
4. buzzaldrin
5. Tyrus4189Cobb
6. The Splendid Splinter

Teams:
25 players like usual... We will have a DH. You can pick your own manager and stadium whenever you want.

Draft Time Limit:
We'll go at on our pace since it's only 5 teams, but I would like to make it like 8 hours with dead time like we done the past couple times.

Criteria:
We'll be using top 7 year peak. They have to be in a row. There will be a few exceptions (exception like Hank Greenberg, WW2 guys, etc...) It'll still be 7 years for starting pitchers, but only 4 years for a reliever.

Requirements:
Only MLB players. Ignore "steroid issues". I think everybody knows how well each players does on defense. Let go with 1890 to present when picking for the years.

Trade:
You can trade players.

Roster Page:
I'll put one up right before we start the draft. Also, I would like us to put like a summary at the end of our roster page if you want. It's kinda gonna be an analysis on how/why/what stat or list you went by on draft and also why you think your team is the best... You can do that part whenever you want, but I would require it would be done before the manager/stadium draft is completed.

Tournament Polls:
As for the poll at the end for the draft... I was thinking of a poll with all 5 teams and let voters pick the best team.

This post will be the post where we have everything that we decided on for each part of the draft/tournament. I will make this the first post in the draft thread so we can look at it. If anybody has any questions or want to make changes, ask in the discussion thread... Good luck to everyone and Lets have some fun doing this.

Round 1:

1. SamtheBravesFan- RF George Herman "Babe" Ruth, 1926-32
2. mwiggins- SS Honus Wagner, 1903-1909
3. Erik Bedard- CF Ty Cobb, 1909-1915
4. buzzaldrin- CF Mickey Mantle, 1956-1962
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- CF Willie Mays, 1954-1960
6. The Splendid Splinter- SP Walter Johnson, 1910-1916

Round 2:

1. The Splendid Splinter- SP Greg Maddux, 1992-1998
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP Roger Clemens, 1986-1992
3. buzzaldrin- LF Ted Williams, 1940-1949
4. Erik Bedard- Stan Musial, 1944-1951
5. mwiggins- 2B Rogers Hornsby, 1919-1925
6. SamtheBravesFan- 1B Henry Louis Gehrig, 1927-33

Round 3:

1. SamtheBravesFan- SP Pedro Martinez, 1997-2003
2. mwiggins- LF/DH Barry Bonds 1998-2004
3. Erik Bedard- RF Hank Aaron, 1959-1965
4. buzzaldrin- 2B Eddie Collins, 1909-1915
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- 3B Mike Schmidt, 1980-1986
6. The Splendid Splinter- SP Randy Johnson, 1996-2002

Round 4:

1. The Splendid Splinter- SP Lefty Grove, 1926-1932
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP Christy Mathewson, 1903-1909
3. buzzaldrin- SP Three Finger Brown, 1905-1911
4. Erik Bedard- SP Tom Seaver, 1969-1975
5. mwiggins- CF Tris Speaker, 1912-1918
6. SamtheBravesFan- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander, 1914-1920

Round 5:

1. SamtheBravesFan- SP Sandy Koufax, 1960-1966
2. mwiggins- SP Robert Gibson, 1964-1970
3. Erik Bedard- 1B Jimmie Foxx, 1929-35
4. buzzaldrin- SS Alex Rodriguez 1999-2005 SS
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- C Johnny Bench, 1969-1975
6. The Splendid Splinter- CF Joe DiMaggio, 1939-1948

Round 6:

1. The Splendid Splinter- 1B Albert Pujols, 2002-2008
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- RF Frank Robinson 1961-1967
3. buzzaldrin- 1B Frank Thomas, 1991-1997
4. Erik Bedard- 2B Joe Morgan, 1971-77
5. mwiggins- SP Cy Young, 1899-1905
6. SamtheBravesFan-SP Kid Nichols, 1892-98

Round 7:

1. SamtheBravesFan- SP Carl Hubbell, 1930-36
2. mwiggins- LF Rickey Henderson, 1981-1987
3. Erik Bedard- SS Arky Vaughan, 1933-1939
4. buzzaldrin- C Mike Piazza, 1995-2001
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- RP Mariano Rivera, 2005-2008
6. The Splendid Splinter- 2B Nap Lajoie, 1900-1906

Round 8:

1. The Splendid Splinter- 1B Johnny Mize, 1937-1946
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- 1B Jeff Bagwell, 1994-2000
3. buzzaldrin- 3B Dick Allen, 1966-1972
4. Erik Bedard- SP Bob Feller, 1939-1948
5. mwiggins- SP Ed Walsh, 1906-1912
6. SamtheBravesFan- 3B Edwin Lee Mathews, Jr., 1953-59

Round 9:

1. SamtheBravesFan- LF Manuel Aristides (Onelcida) Ramirez, 1999-2005
2. mwiggins- RF Joe Jackson, 1911-1917
3. Erik Bedard- C Yogi Berra, 1950-1956
4. buzzaldrin- 1B Mark McGwire, 1994-2000
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP Juan Marichal, 1963-1969
6. The Splendid Splinter- SS Ernie Banks, 1955-1961

Round 10:

1. The Splendid Splinter- 3B George Brett, 1979-1985
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP Whitey Ford, 1950-1958
3. buzzaldrin- RF Harry Heilman, 1921-1927
4. Erik Bedard- 3B Ron Santo, 1963-1969
5. mwiggins- SP Johan Santana, 2003-2008
6. SamtheBravesFan- CF Billy Hamilton, 1890-96

Round 11:

1. SamtheBravesFan- 2B Jackie Robinson, 1948-1954
2. mwiggins- SP Dazzy Vance, 1924-1930
3. Erik Bedard- CF Duke Snider, 1952-1958
4. buzzaldrin- SP Addie Joss, 1903-1909
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- LF Carl Yastrzemski, 1964-1970
6. The Splendid Splinter- RP Billy Wagner, 2003-2006

Round 12:

1. The Splendid Splinter- RP Dennis Eckersley, 1989-1992
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- 2B Charlie Gehringer, 1933-1939
3. buzzaldrin- SP Hal Newhouser, 1942-1948
4. Erik Bedard- SP Dizzy Dean, 1932-1938
5. mwiggins- 3B/RF Mel Ott, 1933-1939
6. SamtheBravesFan- SS Robin R Yount, 1980-86

Round 13:

1. SamtheBravesFan- C Gordon Stanley Cochrane, 1927-33
2. mwiggins- RP Goose Gossage 1977-1980
3. Erik Bedard- SP Eddie Plank, 1906-1912
4. buzzaldrin- RP Dan Quisenberry 1982-1985
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- RP Hoyt Wilhelm 1965-1968
6. The Splendid Splinter- RP Joe Nathan, 2005-2008

Round 14:

1. The Splendid Splinter- RP Francisco Rodriguez, 2003-2006
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- RP Rollie Fingers, 1980-1984
3. buzzaldrin- SP Rube Waddell, 1900-1906
4. Erik Bedard- SP Jim Palmer, 1972-1978
5. mwiggins- RP Bruce Sutter, 1977-1980
6. SamtheBravesFan- RP John Karl Wetteland, 1993-96

Round 15:

1. SamtheBravesFan- RP Thomas Anthony Henke, 1989-92
2. mwiggins- RP Trevor Hoffman, 1996-1999
3. Erik Bedard- RP Roberto Hernandez, 1996-1999
4. buzzaldrin- RP John Hiller, 1973-1976
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- SS Cal Ripken Jr, 1982-1988
6. The Splendid Splinter- RP B.J. Ryan, 2003-2006

Round 16:

1. The Splendid Splinter- RP Keith Foulke, 2001-2004
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- RP Jonathan Papelbon, 2005-2008
3. buzzaldrin- LF Ed Delahanty 1893-1899
4. Erik Bedard- RP Tom Burgmeier, 1979-1982
5. mwiggins- 1B George Sisler, 1916-1922
6. SamtheBravesFan- DH Edgar Martinez, 1995-2001

Round 17:

1. SamtheBravesFan- RP Michael Grant Marshall, 1972-75
2. mwiggins- RP Sparky Lyle, 1974-1977
3. Erik Bedard- RP Lee Smith, 1988-91
4. buzzaldrin- RP Dick "the Monster" Radatz, 1962-1965
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- RP Tug Mcgraw 1969-1972
6. The Splendid Splinter- SP Kevin Brown, 1995-2001

Round 18:

1. The Splendid Splinter- RP Jim Brewer, 1969,1972
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- 1B Harmon Killebrew, 1964-1970
3. buzzaldrin- C Ivan Rodriguez, 1998-2004
4. Erik Bedard- SP/RP Joe Wood, 1910-1913
5. mwiggins- C Bill Dickey, 1933-1939
6. SamtheBravesFan- RP James Lester Kern, 1976-79

Round 19:

1. SamtheBravesFan- RP Henry Eugene Garber, 1975-78
2. mwiggins- RP Tug McGraw, 1969-1972
3. Erik Bedard- RP Duane Ward, 1990-1993
4. buzzaldrin- SP/RP Wilbur Wood, 1968-1971
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP Bert Blyleven 1972-1978
6. The Splendid Splinter- C Roy Campanella, 1949-1955

Round 20:

1. The Splendid Splinter- LF Hank Greenberg, 1934-1940
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- C Gary Carter, 1979-1985
3. buzzaldrin- SP Eddie Cicotte, 1913-1919
4. Erik Bedard-
5. mwiggins- RP John Smoltz, 2002-2005
6. SamtheBravesFan- 3B Larry Wayne Jones, 1999-2005

Round 21:

1. SamtheBravesFan- RF Samuel Peralta Sosa, 1998-2004
2. mwiggins- 1B/DH Willie McCovey, 1965-1971
3. Erik Bedard-
4. buzzaldrin- IF John McGraw, 1895-1901
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- SP/RP Curt Schilling, 1997-2003
6. The Splendid Splinter- C/2B/OF Craig Biggio, 1993-1999

Round 22:

1. The Splendid Splinter- RF Roberto Clemente, 1964-1970
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- 1B/2B/3B/OF Pete Rose, 1968-1974
3. buzzaldrin- RP John Franco, 1994-1997
4. Erik Bedard-
5. mwiggins- C/OF - Roger Bresnahan 1902-1908
6. SamtheBravesFan-

Round 23:

1. SamtheBravesFan-
2. mwiggins- SS/3B/2B - George Davis 1893-1899
3. Erik Bedard-
4. buzzaldrin- 1B/3B Jim Thome, 1996-2002
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- OF Sam Crawford, 1908-1914
6. The Splendid Splinter- 1B/LF Willie Stargell, 1969-1975

Round 24:

1. The Splendid Splinter- 1B/2B/SS/3B/OF Paul Molitor, 1987-1993
2. Tyrus4189Cobb- OF Paul Waner 1926-1932
3. buzzaldrin- OF Ralph Kiner 1947-1953
4. Erik Bedard-
5. mwiggins- IF Johnny Pesky 1942-1951
6. SamtheBravesFan-

Round 25:

1. SamtheBravesFan-
2. mwiggins- OF Charlie Keller 1939-1946
3. Erik Bedard-
4. buzzaldrin- C Gabby Hartnett, 1931-1937
5. Tyrus4189Cobb- IF Roberto Alomar 1995-2001
6. The Splendid Splinter-

[SamtheBravesFan]

Sam's Legends selects:

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3500/baberuthcr4.jpg

RF George Herman "Babe" Ruth, 1926-32

[Erik Bedard]

If I can join as well, that'd be awesome.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I think we can squeeze you in. :)

[The Splendid Splinter]

Pghfan is skipped... mwiggins it's your turn to pick, hopefully we can get going on this draft

if Pghfan doesn't pick by the time it comes back to him in the 2nd round, then he will be dropped from the draft...

[mwiggins]

Mark's Wallbangers select...

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/honus-wagner1.jpg

SS Honus Wagner, 1903-1909

[Buzzaldrin]

How long do I wait for Erik Bedard before I make my first pick anyway?

[Erik Bedard]

I didn't know it was my turn. Ty Cobb, 1909-1915.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I didn't know it was my turn. Ty Cobb.

What year? it's a 7 year peak...

[The Splendid Splinter]

How long do I wait for Erik Bedard before I make my first pick anyway?


Usually we go 8 hours for a pick... I'm giving a little leeway here because there's 7 of us and it's the first round... I don't really enforce the time limit until we start the 3rd round and we know who is actually doing this draft.

[Erik Bedard]

What year? it's a 7 year peak...
added years (1909-1915)

[Buzzaldrin]

Then I'll take Mickey Mantle in center 56-62.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

My pick is Willie Mays in CF. 1954-1960 (though I could go up to '62).

[The Splendid Splinter]

Hmmm... too many to choose from.

I'll go with Walter Johnson 1910-1916

and

Greg Maddux 1992-1998

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

If I can still pick, then I'll take Roger Clemens 1986-1992.

[Buzzaldrin]

You know, I was gonna leave the corner outfielders for a while, but you leave me no choice...

LF Ted Williams 1940-1949

[Erik Bedard]

Stan Musial, 1944-1950

[The Splendid Splinter]

Stan Musial, 1944-1950

I added another year to 1951 because he missed '45 so you just had 6 years. I figured you would rather have his '51 season than the '43 but let me know if you want '43 instead of '51.

[mwiggins]

2B Rogers Hornsby 1919-1925

[Buzzaldrin]

I have a question- how does it work with players who played more than one position during their peak. Say three years starting at one, three years at another, and another year starting at a third. Where can we put them? Can we choose? And how does it work with corner outfielders? I mean, most of them spent at least some time in the corner that they didn't play the most games in, or started a few years in left and a few in right. Where do they go?

[The Splendid Splinter]

I have a question- how does it work with players who played more than one position during their peak. Say three years starting at one, three years at another, and another year starting at a third. Where can we put them? Can we choose? And how does it work with corner outfielders? I mean, most of them spent at least some time in the corner that they didn't play the most games in, or started a few years in left and a few in right. Where do they go?

Alright... let me give an example here. We'll use Pedro Guerrero '82-'88 peak. Now he qualifies for 1B/3B/LF/RF. '88 mainly played 1B. '87 played LF. '83 and '84 played 3B. '82 played RF. Now he played some CF (74 games) in that peak, but doesn't qualifies at that position. I think I gave another example of Pete Rose in the discussion thread and I'll add it on here as well. Here's what I said...

Also I need to talk about the position eligibility... We're sticking to their main positions in the 7 years you pick. For example... say you wanted to pick Alex Rodriguez and you pick 2001-2007 as his peak, then you can put him at either SS or 3B. That's pretty straight-forward. If you pick Pete Rose from 1968 to 1974, then he can only play LF/RF but not 1B/2B/3B... BUT if you went 1969-1975 for Rose, then he gain 3B eligibility along with LF/RF... This is only for the starters though. Bench players can play wherever they have in their career. If you have questions about that, let me know...

For your example... he can play at any of those 3 positions. You can choose. Corner outfielders is the only positions where they can switch because of what you said (most of them played both).

[Buzzaldrin]

cool cool. Hey, Splinter, can i ask you a favor? You seem to be on the boards a lot- can you send PMs to people when it's their turn (if you're not already doing so)? I find it difficult to wait to assemble my army of baseball Gods.

[The Splendid Splinter]

cool cool. Hey, Splinter, can i ask you a favor? You seem to be on the boards a lot- can you send PMs to people when it's their turn (if you're not already doing so)? I find it difficult to wait to assemble my army of baseball Gods.

Yeah I am on a lot. I'm waiting for STBF to get on AOL so I can tell him it's his turn to pick and Pghfan is not playing as he hasn't picked yet so he will be dropped. Another thing you can do is to when you make your pick... say the next people name that it's their turn to pick now since some people will just look at who you pick and then not know that it's their turn but if you say his name, he'll go ahead and make his pick

Also after STBF pick and we'll be in the third round, I'll start to be strict with the time limit and send PMs or post something on here saying who's turn it is and how much time they have left and whatnot. The time limit will be 8 hours and we'll have dead time as well and I think we went 11 PM to 11 AM EST. Once this is set, the draft will go quickly.

Just curious... what's a good time for everybody to be on here? I would like to do a lightning round where all 6 of us are on here at the same time (if possible) for like 30 minutes to a hour. If we can do that, I bet we can do several rounds in that time. Like for me, Wednesday night would be best for me at any time.

[mwiggins]

I could do this Wed night.

[Buzzaldrin]

Wed night where? I'm in Sweden so I assume that's Thursday morning. Can you all do 2 AM your time?

But realistically, I check this page at least once or twice a day and EVEN THOUGH I'M GOING ON VACATION this weekend, I've already informed my girl that I need to get to a computer every now and than for the draft, so while I may have a tough time being on the same page thu-sun as you guys, I will still check it often.

By the way, her (my girlfriend's) rote memorizations are pretty good by now- she (obviously) knows about my obsession with baseball and baseball history. Here is a recent conversation for you gents:

me: I just made my first pick in the baseball draft I told you about.
she: who'd you pick?
me: Mickey Mantle, 1956 to 1962.
she: why didn't you pick Babe Ruth? He hit 714 home runs, you know. (I am absolutely serious; I've drilled several baseball records into her Swedish head.)
me: he was already picked.
she: why Mickey Mouse?
me: Mantle.
she: why him?
me: well, he was pretty good too.
she: how many home runs did he hit?
me: 536
she: that's not so much. Barry Bondage had more than that.
me: Bonds.
she: Bonds, right.
me: but I'm just picking his seven best years. He played in a tougher offensive time; it was harder to put up big numbers, but he still did. In the seasons I picked, he hit over 50 home runs twice and won the triple crown in 1956.
she: why didn't you pick...wait...um...Lou Gehrig!
me: he would be a good pick, but I wanted to sort out my center field, and Gehrig-
she: -who hit 493 home runs!
me: yes, baby, he did, but I didn't want to-
she: How many did Mickey Allen hit again?
me: Mantle.
she: Mantle!
me: 536...
she: ...and he won the three crowns in 1959!
me: 1956
she: 1956!

I can't tell you what was next because it involves my next few picks, but I figured you might enjoy that wee discussion.

see you on the field of battle!

Buzz

[SamtheBravesFan]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/78/louec9.jpg

1B Henry Louis Gehrig, 1927-33

[Buzzaldrin]

You have another one...

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well 5 out of 6 guys are on here right now so hopefully we can get some picks really quick...

STBF is picking his 2nd guy... he was going with Walter Johnson but didn't know I already picked him.

[SamtheBravesFan]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8020/pedronearperfectoky8.gif

RHP Pedro Martinez, 1997-2003

[mwiggins]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/nm_bonds6_070620_ssv.jpg

LF/DH Barry Bonds 1998-2004

[Erik Bedard]

Hank Aaron, 1959-1965

[Buzzaldrin]

The I will take:

2B Eddie Collins 1909-1915

[The Splendid Splinter]

Tyrus has until 7:35 tonight to pick then it's my turn....

[Buzzaldrin]

So we really have only eight hours after the last person's pick? I mean, I'm usually on the boards at least once a day, but if you make a pick at six in the evening, that's midnight my time (depending where you are), and I can guarantee that I'm not gonna be on the computer before eight AM, especially since I'll be in France this weekend.

If I give you my cell phone number could you maybe text me when is my turn and I can try to get to an internet café or something- if it's not the middle of the night? or I could text you back my pick. Would that work, Splinter?

[The Splendid Splinter]

So we really have only eight hours after the last person's pick? I mean, I'm usually on the boards at least once a day, but if you make a pick at six in the evening, that's midnight my time (depending where you are), and I can guarantee that I'm not gonna be on the computer before eight AM, especially since I'll be in France this weekend.

If I give you my cell phone number could you maybe text me when is my turn and I can try to get to an internet café or something- if it's not the middle of the night? or I could text you back my pick. Would that work, Splinter?

It's usually 8 hours, but I will give you leeway (like I can give you a whole day to make your pick instead of 8 hours) with this time limit since you're from Sweden. I don't think other people will have a problem with this and it's only 6 teams so it'll still go quick if we waited longer than usual. Also you have to think of the dead time as well which is 11 PM to 11 AM EST so that'll be 5 AM to 5 PM your time correct??? So say someone did drafted at 6 PM and its your turn. You have til 11 PM EST which takes 5 hours out of your time limit, but then it stops and starts up again at 11 AM EST which would be 5 your time. I don't think you'll run into a problem with the time IMPO, but if we do we'll figure something out.

Good thing about this for you is that once I make my pick, you can go ahead and draft as well. The reason is it skipped Tyrus and it'll keep skipping him until he makes his pick. We have done this in the past drafts and it works. It's fair for the other guys who are on here and it'll penaltizes the guys who aren't showing up or not giving notice as to why they're gone or just forgot.

Another thing Buzz, you can PM me a list of players that you would like to pick if you're going to be gone for more than a day (in case it is your turn). I would recommend giving that list to someone else beside the people in this draft because we can see who you like and are on the list that maybe we missed. Someone that you can trust and you know they'll be on here often.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Sorry if I haven't been on the ball lately. I've been sick.

Tough decision, but I'll take Mike Schmidt 1980-1986

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well again... a lot of choices, butttttttttt


SP Randy Johnson, 1996-2002

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/04/RandyJohnsonIsAPrettyGirl.jpg

and...

SP Lefty Grove, 1926-1932

http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/images/9/9d/Lefty_Grove.jpg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'll grab Christy Mathewson 1903-1909

http://www.christymathewson.com/images/matc001.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

Hi guys, sorry for the delay- I've been having monster computer problems since getting to Paris, and even though I could access the forums have been unable to login for God knows what reason till now.

Anyhow, I apologize for taking so much time and I'll be back home tomorrow evening and then on line all the time.

I will take as both a starter AND a reliever Three Finger Brown 1905-1911.

[Erik Bedard]

Tom Seaver - 1969-75

[mwiggins]

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/06/trisap.jpg

CF Tris Speaker 1912-1918

[SamtheBravesFan]

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7816/alexander.jpg

Grover Cleveland Alexander, 1914-20

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2290/sandykoufaxhof2.jpg

Sanford Koufax, 1960-66

[mwiggins]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/U1702825.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B8D6FF118-D3D9-40C3-BF33-6BA588775801%7D

RHP Robert Gibson 1964-1970

[The Splendid Splinter]

EB and Buzz has been skipped so far as their time ran out already. Tyrus is on the clock until 10:30 EST tonight...

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Rogers Hornsby 1921-1927

http://www.born-today.com/btpix/hornsby_rogers.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

Excuse me, why am I skipped?

I've been sitting at this damn computer the past 24 hours waiting for Erik B!

how can I be skipped for waiting for the guy before me to pick?

well, what the hell, I'll fill out my middle infield...


...Alex Rodriguez 1999-2005 SS


a lot of short and a little third

and BTW, if I'm about to lose my turn for any reason, please send me a PM...it's harsh to think I'm losing my place because someone else isn't here.

[Erik Bedard]

Wow... sorry guys. No computer time today.

Jimmie Foxx, 1929-35.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Excuse me, why am I skipped?

I've been sitting at this damn computer the past 24 hours waiting for Erik B!

how can I be skipped for waiting for the guy before me to pick?

well, what the hell, I'll fill out my middle infield...


...Alex Rodriguez 1999-2005 SS


a lot of short and a little third

and BTW, if I'm about to lose my turn for any reason, please send me a PM...it's harsh to think I'm losing my place because someone else isn't here.

Well you were skipped cuz the time limit for both you and EB have went out... You don't have to LITERALLY wait til the person before you pick. If he hasn't picked after 8 hours after the guy in front of him, then he is skipped and it's your turn. You could've made your pick for a long time. I don't know why you waited for 24 hours when the time limit is 8 and you know it's 8 hours. I have told you that and everyone else knows it as well. The time limit is there so we can get this draft going. If we just waited til the guy before picked, then this draft would never end because someone could be gone a week without anyone knowing about it. You're skipped because you waited way too long. I mean you can wait and see if the guy will pick or you can literally pick right when his time is up. Nobody picked for almost 2 days.

I'm not doing the PM because I'll have to do that like EVERY single time. It's not you're losing your place cuz someone isnt here. Heck, even I'm not here every single day. You do know when I posted that message today about you guys being skipped... you could've still drafted before Tyrus did.

Let me say this... after someone made a pick, you got 8 hours to make yours. There are dead times (11PM-11AM EST- i dont know what time is that for you Buzz) where the person is safe from someone picking in front of him. Say Tyrus picked a guy at 8:50 PM EST so now the clock starts for me until 11PM and so that's 2 hours and 10 minutes out of my time limit then dead time starts and when it's 11AM the next day... My time starts up again and I have until 4:50 PM and if I haven't made my pick... Tyrus can pick anytime after 4:51...

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well it's my turn...

CF Joe DiMaggio, 1939-1948

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Joe-DiMaggio-Photograph-C12231950.jpeg


3B Albert Pujols, 2001-2007 (the position and the years might change depending on how the rest of the draft goes and who i draft...)

http://www.albert-pujols.net/images/albert-pujols-wallpaper-4.jpg

Just so everyone knows... you can change the years or position if you want on your player as long as the player played that position the most in one of those years

[The Splendid Splinter]

Rogers Hornsby 1921-1927

Hey Tyrus... I just now noticed that mwiggins picked Hornsby in the 2nd round... so you got 2 picks left and your time is up at 7 PM EST tonight...


Also I would like for everyone to put up a roster page so we can keep track of who been picked or not... it's easier to look at the roster page (if it's up to date) than looking at the first post of this thread and scroll through all of those names...

here's the roster page link...
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87200

[Buzzaldrin]

Just so you guys know, 7 PM today Eastern time is one in the morning here, so my eight hours of picking are pretty much exactly my dead time. I may be up tonight, but otherwise I won't make my pick until I'm up tomorrow...which I just realized is your dead time so this post is pointless.

Except that Sam picked Pete Alexander 14-20. Pete lost just about all of 1918 because of the war- he should get another season, right?

I also have to say I don't think it's really fair to use Pujols as your starting 3rd sacker. During the seasons you picked, he played 96 games at third (that's an average of 12 a year) and over a thousand at other positions, and he was never actually a starter at the position. When I asked about multiple position guys, I meant guys that actually played full seasons at more than one position.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Just so you guys know, 7 PM today Eastern time is one in the morning here, so my eight hours of picking are pretty much exactly my dead time. I may be up tonight, but otherwise I won't make my pick until I'm up tomorrow...which I just realized is your dead time so this post is pointless.

Except that Sam picked Pete Alexander 14-20. Pete lost just about all of 1918 because of the war- he should get another season, right?

I also have to say I don't think it's really fair to use Pujols as your starting 3rd sacker. During the seasons you picked, he played 96 games at third (that's an average of 12 a year) and over a thousand at other positions, and he was never actually a starter at the position. When I asked about multiple position guys, I meant guys that actually played full seasons at more than one position.

Yeah Pete Alexander is allowed to pick another year due to his '18 war season.

About Pujols, while it's probably not fair, but he did played 3B the most games in his rookie year which would qualify him for that position. He will most likely move to 1B and I'll change his peak to '02 to '08 when I do get a true 3B or someone who played there more. That's why I said that his position and years could change as the draft goes on. Pujols at 3B for me is a "just in case" situation where there's no other "better" option at 3B if i wait too long to get another 3B... It's just a little loophole I found after I told you how someone would qualify a position. I mean... someone could change Jimmie Foxx peak to his early years and put him at C if they wanted to.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'll take back my Hornsby pick and replace him with Johnny Bench 1969-1975

Then I'll be snagging Sandy Koufax, also 1960-1966

[mwiggins]

I'll take back my Hornsby pick and replace him with Johnny Bench 1969-1975

Then I'll be snagging Sandy Koufax, also 1960-1966

Sam already drafted Koufax.

[Buzzaldrin]

I'll take back my Hornsby pick and replace him with Johnny Bench 1969-1975

Then I'll be snagging Sandy Koufax, also 1960-1966

Seriously, man, it can't be that hard to see who's already been drafted. My first instinct is to wait for you to correct your pick, but then again, if you can't be bothered to look up the earlier picks (which I'm guessing since you've made the error twice) I guess I'll go ahead:

at first base- Frank Thomas 1991-1997

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Seriously, man, it can't be that hard to see who's already been drafted. My first instinct is to wait for you to correct your pick, but then again, if you can't be bothered to look up the earlier picks (which I'm guessing since you've made the error twice) I guess I'll go ahead:

Or maybe it's just that I missed them because they're all in bold and I could accidently skip someone when glancing at it. But, you know, thanks for coming in.

I'll take Frank Robinson 1961-1967. And Splinter, you should change the front page from my Hornsby pick to my Bench pick.

[Erik Bedard]

Joe Morgan, 1971-77

[Buzzaldrin]

Or maybe it's just that I missed them because they're all in bold and I could accidently skip someone when glancing at it. But, you know, thanks for coming in.

I'll take Frank Robinson 1961-1967. And Splinter, you should change the front page from my Hornsby pick to my Bench pick.

I didn't mean it to sound so condescending. Sorry.

[mwiggins]

Since Tyrus took my future RF, I'll add another power RH to go along with Gibson.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/46/20071104023420!Cy_young_pitching.jpg

Cy Young (1899-1905)

[The Splendid Splinter]

Alright... Everything should be updated on the first page now. If I messed up on anything or you want to change positions or years, just let me know guys.

[mwiggins]

https://secure.nypost.com/seven/01122009/photos/rickey1112.jpg

LF Rickey Henderson 1981-1987

[SamtheBravesFan]

Kid Nichols, 1892-98
Carl Hubbell, 1930-36

[Buzzaldrin]

should I wait longer? Tell you what- I'll PM my pick to Splinter in case Erik is just about to pick and wants the same guy.

[The Splendid Splinter]

EB time ran out and buzz wants Catcher Mike Piazza 1995-2001...

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Starting to get hard. I become paranoid over every pick. But I'm confident in taking Mariano Rivera 2005-2008.

[Erik Bedard]

Arky Vaughan, 1933-39

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'll go with...


2B Nap Lajoie, 1900-1906

http://members.socket.net/~wkkdl/squirrel%20killers_files/image011.jpg

and

1B Johnny Mize, 1937-1946

http://mopupduty.com/baseballprints/catalog/images/mize1.jpg?osCsid=9dd621843abeb2dd38929b5999a73ff6

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

A Mr. Jeff Bagwell 1994-2000

[Buzzaldrin]

third base- Dick Allen 1966-1972

[Erik Bedard]

Bob Feller, 1939-1948

[mwiggins]

http://members.socket.net/~wkkdl/redsox_files/image031.jpg

Ed Walsh 1906-1912

[SamtheBravesFan]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2139/eddiemathewsphoto2mid.jpg

3B Edwin Lee Mathews, Jr., 1953-59

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1742/mannyramirez2008homerun.jpg

LF Manuel Aristides (Onelcida) Ramirez, 1999-2005

[mwiggins]

http://media.cardplayer.com/image_jpeg/s/ShoelessJoeJackson_Small_.JPG

RF Joe Jackson (1911-1917)

[The Splendid Splinter]

EB time was up at 7 I believe tonight so he's skipped...

I have Buzz next pick and he wants...

1B Mark McGwire, 1993-1999

(although I would recommend him going with '94-'00 where he would gain 60 more games and his OPS+ only drop slighty)

[Buzzaldrin]

Ha! Nice recommendation, but that was actually why i asked about injuries- between 93 and 99, McGwire played fewer than 5.5 seasons (only 27 games in 93 and 47 in 94)- I wondered if I would get to add another season to his seven since he was out so much and would rather have 1992 than 2000 if that's the case. If it IS the case then I'll take him 1992-1999 and if it's NOT the case then I will of course take 1994-2000.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Juan Marichal 1963-1969.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Ill take SS Ernie Banks, 1955-1961

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/5d/images.art.com/images/-/Ernie-Banks--C10107272.jpeg

and

3B George Brett, 1979-1985

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/George-Brett---Batting-Photofile-Photograph-C10107280.jpeg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Would I be allowed to pick Whitey Ford 1950-1958? He served in the Korean War in '51 and '52, but he was going strong in 1950 so I think that should be part of his peak.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Would I be allowed to pick Whitey Ford 1950-1958? He served in the Korean War in '51 and '52, but he was going strong in 1950 so I think that should be part of his peak.

Yes you can. That's the peak I had for him as well.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Then my pick is Whitey ford, 1950-1958

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0810/history.october3/images/whitey-ford.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

I will round out my starting lineup with my new RF-

Harry Heilman 1921-1927

[mwiggins]

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Pitchers/JohanSantana/JohanSantana_2006_001.jpg

SP Johan Santana 2003-2008

[Buzzaldrin]

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Pitchers/JohanSantana/JohanSantana_2006_001.jpg

SP Johan Santana 2003-2008

damn! that was my next one.

[mwiggins]

damn! that was my next one.

:D

Well, you did take Dick Allen right before I was going to, so I'm glad to be able to return the favor. :waving

[mwiggins]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/VV10924.jpg?size=67&uid=%7BCED2CF2D-1897-4749-A9CC-DD630965ECC7%7D

SP Dazzy Vance (1924-1930)

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Pitchers/JohanSantana/JohanSantana_2006_001.jpg

SP Johan Santana 2003-2008

I'll get you for that.

[Buzzaldrin]

I'm going to bed now. Sam and Erik have another 10 hours or so before I wake up and pick, ok?

[SamtheBravesFan]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6859/billyhamiltonbaseballca.jpg

CF William Robert "Sliding Billy" Hamilton, 1890-96

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6913/robinsonjmontreal.jpg

2B Jack Roosevelt Robinson, 1948-54

[Buzzaldrin]

I wonder where Erik B is? Well, he's got a few picks to catch up on.

I'm gonna go with Addie Joss 1903-1909.

[Erik Bedard]

Yogi Berra, 1950-56
Tim Keefe, 1883-89

Will make my last pick soon.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Tim Keefe, 1883-89

Will make my last pick soon.

Hey... you can't pick Keefe because we're going from 1890 to 2008 so you still have 2 more picks left. Sorry about that.

Great pick on Yogi... I was hoping to get him with my next pick.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Carl Yastrzemski 1964-1970

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo/_new/080819-Carl-Yastrzemski-hmed-11a%20.widec.jpg

[The Splendid Splinter]

Billy Wagner, 2003-2006

http://www.metstoday.com/wp-content/Billy_Wagner13.jpg

And

Dennis Eckersley, 1989-1992

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/mlb/2005/1019/photo/a_eckersley_195.jpg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Charlie Gehringer 1933-1939

http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/images/2008/06/23/crfvQpvc.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

Hal Newhouser 1942-1948

[mwiggins]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Mel_Ott.jpg

3B/OF Mel Ott 1933-1938

[mwiggins]

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2008/01/large_gossage2.jpg

RP Goose Gossage 1977-1980

[Buzzaldrin]

Wiggins, you should shorten Goose's years- at the beginning of the thread it said relievers were only four year peaks, not seven like starters.

That said, I'll take Dan Quisenberry 1982-1985

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Hoyt Wilhelm 1965-1968

http://images.camdenchat.com/images/admin/40_hwilhelm.jpg

[The Splendid Splinter]

RP Joe Nathan, 2005-2008

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/players/08/02/questions0808/t1_nathan.jpg


RP Francisco Rodriguez, 2003-2006

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2002/10/27/sp_wsgamesix17.jpg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Rollie Fingers 1980-1984. He missed 1983.

[Buzzaldrin]

SP- Rube Waddell 1900-1906

http://www.philadelphiaathletics.org/images/players/RubeWaddell02.jpg

[mwiggins]

http://static.baseballtoaster.com/blogs/u/cardboardgods/2007/0522/0002/Bruce_Sutter_79_1080.jpg

RP Bruce Sutter 1977-1980

[mwiggins]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dRv1CdbsfbrL/340x.jpg

RP Trevor Hoffman 1996-1999

[SamtheBravesFan]

SS Robin R Yount, 1980-86

C Gordon Stanley Cochrane, 1927-33

RP John Karl Wetteland, 1993-96

RP Thomas Anthony Henke, 1989-92

[Buzzaldrin]

RP John Hiller 1973-1976

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Cal Ripken Jr. 1982-1988

[The Splendid Splinter]

RP B.J. Ryan, 2003-2006

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/baseball/mlb/allsport/baltimore/ryan_bj.jpg

RP Keith Foulke, 2001-2004

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Keith-Foulke-Photograph-C12194955.jpeg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Jonathan Papelbon 2005-2008

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Pitchers/JonathanPapelbon/JonathanPapelbon_2006_003.jpg

[Erik Bedard]

Six picks for me, I believe?

Ron Santo, 1963-69
Duke Snider, 1952-58
Dizzy Dean, 1932-38
Jim Palmer, 1972-78
Roberto Hernandez, 1996-99

[Buzzaldrin]

Okay, I will take, as pinch hitter, pinch runner, backup LF, CF, RF, SS, 1B, 2B, SS, and 3B (anywhere but catcher) a guy I cannot believe nobody has picked-

Ed Delahanty 1893-1899

[Erik Bedard]

Eddie Plank, 1906-1912

[The Splendid Splinter]

Eddie Plank, 1906-1912

you still have to pick again... you already have Plank... one of the guys you picked earlier wasnt eligible because his peak was before 1890...

[mwiggins]

1B George Sisler (1916-1922)

http://keymancollectibles.com/publications/images/whoswh17.jpg

[Erik Bedard]

you still have to pick again... you already have Plank... one of the guys you picked earlier wasnt eligible because his peak was before 1890...
I can't count.

Tom Burgmeier, 1979-82.

[mwiggins]

http://blog.silive.com/yankeeswatch/large_sparky_lyle3.jpg

RP - Sparky Lyle 1974-1977

[Buzzaldrin]

I'll be on planes for the next 18 hours or so but I've PMed my next pick to Splinter for when it's my turn.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Buzz picked RP Dick "the Monster" Radatz 1962-1965...

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Tug Mcgraw 1969-1972

[The Splendid Splinter]

SP Kevin Brown, 1995-2001

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050321/050321_kevinBrown_vmed_9p.vlarge.jpg

RP Jim Brewer, 1969-1972

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jim_brewer_autograph.jpg

Done with pitching...

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Harmon Killebrew 1964-1970

[Buzzaldrin]

second catcher:

Ivan Rodriguez 1998-2004.

[Erik Bedard]

Was out all day yesterday and today. Lee Smith, 1988-91

What are the official rules as far as starting and relieving eligibility? I'll take Joe Wood, 1909-15 if he has to be a starter, 1910-13 if he can just be a reliever.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Was out all day yesterday and today. Lee Smith, 1988-91

What are the official rules as far as starting and relieving eligibility? I'll take Joe Wood, 1909-15 if he has to be a starter, 1910-13 if he can just be a reliever.

What do you want EB??? If Smokey Joe finished a lot of games then he can be your long man... If I was you, I would go with his 4 year peak as a SP/RP where he can spot start if needed but be in the bullpen most of the time.

[mwiggins]

C Bill Dickey 1933-1939

[SamtheBravesFan]

DH Edgar Martinez, 1995-2001

RP Michael Grant Marshall, 1972-75

[mwiggins]

RP Tug McGraw 1969-1972

[Erik Bedard]

Yeah, that's what I want. Four year peak, SP/RP.

[Buzzaldrin]

Oddly enough I was going to ask about the SP/RP issue for my next pick- who is also a Wood. However, he was a total reliever for several years and then a total starter, so I'm not sure how many years to take, since I will use him as long relief primarily, but also occasionally as a fifth starter- so four years? Five? Six?

I'll start with four- Wilbur Wood, 1968-1971

[Erik Bedard]

Duane Ward, 1990-93

[The Splendid Splinter]

Tyrus been skipped so I'll take...

C Roy Campanella, 1949-1955

http://www.qualityautographs.com/item.pics/medimg/campanella_roy_color_8x10.jpg

1B/LF Hank Greenberg, 1934-1940

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/images/iht_daily/D120705/greenberg2.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

okay, now I'm confused. You're taking Greenberg from 1934-1946. he only played 12 games in 1936 and 19 in 1941, fine, but he played 78 games in 1945- that's half a season. So you're taking six full seasons, a half season, and two partial seasons? This brings me back to the Mark McGwire issue-

if you're doing that then I can definitely change McGwire's years from 94-2000 to 92-99 since his 93 and 94 together were only about a half season, right? That was my plan from the beginning.

I'm also a little uncertain about your including three injured seasons for Greenberg- I mean he actually played more than half a season in 1945. It seems to me that that should count as one of his seven.

Otherwise, I don't see why I can't count McGwire all the way from 92-2000. I mean, he played a little more than half a season in 2000, and had two partial seasons in 93 and 94, same idea as Greenberg, right?

[The Splendid Splinter]

okay, now I'm confused. You're taking Greenberg from 1934-1946. he only played 12 games in 1936 and 19 in 1941, fine, but he played 78 games in 1945- that's half a season. So you're taking six full seasons, a half season, and two partial seasons? This brings me back to the Mark McGwire issue-

if you're doing that then I can definitely change McGwire's years from 94-2000 to 92-99 since his 93 and 94 together were only about a half season, right? That was my plan from the beginning.

I'm also a little uncertain about your including three injured seasons for Greenberg- I mean he actually played more than half a season in 1945. It seems to me that that should count as one of his seven.

Otherwise, I don't see why I can't count McGwire all the way from 92-2000. I mean, he played a little more than half a season in 2000, and had two partial seasons in 93 and 94, same idea as Greenberg, right?

Oops I screwed up there... The peak should've been 1934-1940 in the first place but I was thinking that was only 6 years for some dumb reason so I had 1946 there. Maybe it was cuz I made the picks at 4 AM. Sorry for the confusion.

No, Greenberg and McGwire are different... Greenberg went to WW2 in 1941 and came back on 1945 so that's the exception there and that's why I had 1946. Greenberg was only injured in 1936. McGwire was just injured in almost all of his career so it's not the same idea. So if I went 1935 for Greenberg, his 1946 season would be included and you take out 1941 and 1945 as if it never happened. It was like Pete Alexander in 1918.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Bert Blyleven 1972-1978

Gary Carter 1979-1985

Forgive me if anyone has been taken. I'm starting to lose track.

[Buzzaldrin]

My pick is another guy who's going to be mostly long relief- Eddie Cicotte 1913-1919.

Don't worry, if I make the post season he'll ride the bench.

[mwiggins]

http://www.thesportscabinet.com/uploads/Image/John%20Smoltz.jpg

RP John Smoltz 2002-2005

[Erik Bedard]

I'm going to be away from now until probably Sunday. Feel free to skip me if my turn comes up.

[Buzzaldrin]

I'm a little confused hw long I should be waiting. Do I count 16 hours for Sam since he has two picks, or just the eight. Anyhow, it's been 24 hours and we're on round 20something, so it should be okay.

PH, PR, backup infield John McGraw 1895-1901.

I guess this means I'll have Mcgraw as my manager too.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm a little confused hw long I should be waiting. Do I count 16 hours for Sam since he has two picks, or just the eight. Anyhow, it's been 24 hours and we're on round 20something, so it should be okay.

PH, PR, backup infield John McGraw 1895-1901.

I guess this means I'll have Mcgraw as my manager too.

Deleted post... you're right. STBF doesnt have the time limit because he didn't make his last 2 picks. So mwiggins is skipped and it is your turn.

[SamtheBravesFan]

James Lester Kern, 1976-79

Henry Eugene Garber, 1975-78

Larry Wayne Jones, 1999-2005

Samuel Peralta Sosa, 1998-2004

[mwiggins]

1B/DH Willie McCovey 1965-1971

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'm posting here so everyone will see. I know I'm jumping the gun but would anyone like to have another fantasy draft after this one? I love fantasy drafts and could host it if Splinter is tired. I would just need help coming up with criteria.

[Buzzaldrin]

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[The Splendid Splinter]

first bench player who can play 5 positions and pinch run... C/2B/OF Craig Biggio, 1993-1999

http://www.astrosdaily.com/files/gallery/Biggio_Craig_23.jpg


and my last starter... RF Roberto Clemente, 1964-1970

http://archive.sportingnews.com/baseball/gallery/clemente-562.jpg

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I didn't even know I was up.

Relief/Starting pitcher-Curt Schilling 1997-2003
http://ickscorner.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/curt-schilling-760339.jpg

Bench- Pete Rose 1968-1974
http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Pete%20Rose.jpg

[Buzzaldrin]

first bench player who can play 5 positions and pinch run... C/2B/OF Craig Biggio, 1993-1999


I don't think so!!

I had Ed Delahanty rounds ago, who played 1b,2b, ss, 3b, and all three outlfield positions in the years I had 'im. Oh yes, he also led the league in stolen bases the first year with the modern rule (and hit .400 three times). I bet he pinch runs better than Biggio!


Anyhow- John Franco 1994-97 is my pick.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I don't think so!!

I had Ed Delahanty rounds ago, who played 1b,2b, ss, 3b, and all three outlfield positions in the years I had 'im. Oh yes, he also led the league in stolen bases the first year with the modern rule (and hit .400 three times). I bet he pinch runs better than Biggio!


Anyhow- John Franco 1994-97 is my pick.

hahaha I meant it as my first pick for the bench is a guy who can play 5 positions... not like he's the first person picked who can play 5 positions. Also bench players you don't have to follow the position rule so whatever they played in their career is where they can play. Starters have to use their position(s) in their peak only. I think everyone knew that already.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm posting here so everyone will see. I know I'm jumping the gun but would anyone like to have another fantasy draft after this one? I love fantasy drafts and could host it if Splinter is tired. I would just need help coming up with criteria.

I'm always up for another draft and can host it again if you need me to...

Here's the criteria for the past drafts that we went by...

1. 3rd best WARP3 season
2. 5 year peak
3. Nothing (you could draft anyone)
4. Per 162 game averages
5. 7 year peak
6.

Other criteria you can go by: best year, 3 or 10 year peak, umm... can't think of any off the top of my head right now.

[Buzzaldrin]

hahaha I meant it as my first pick for the bench is a guy who can play 5 positions... not like he's the first person picked who can play 5 positions. Also bench players you don't have to follow the position rule so whatever they played in their career is where they can play. Starters have to use their position(s) in their peak only. I think everyone knew that already.

But that's what I meant, my friend, Big Ed was my first BENCH player for just that reason.

[Buzzaldrin]

Is it really my pick again? I was the last guy to pick, but it's been 38 hours since then and Sam, Erik, and Wiggins haven't picked so I guess I'll go:

I'll just add a little more backup muscle:

backup 3B/1B/DH and PH- Jim Thome 1996-2002

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Bench- Sam Crawford 1908-1914
http://media.wahooschools.org/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/461bc5a1665ee/1_461bc5a1665ee-36-1.jpg

[The Splendid Splinter]

1B/LF Willie Stargell, 1969-1975

http://www.ndgbaseball.org/pictures/stargell.jpg

and then a guy who can play 1B/2B/3B and SS/OF in a pinch

UTIL Paul Molitor, 1987-1993

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Paul-Molitor-Photograph-C10105976.jpeg

[mwiggins]

C/OF - Roger Bresnahan 1902-1908

SS/3B/2B - George Davis 1893-1899

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Other criteria you can go by: best year, 3 or 10 year peak, umm... can't think of any off the top of my head right now.

I like that one or players who started their careers before 1960. I would have no problem hosting it or starting right after this one. Others may want to take a break, though.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Since Tyrus or Buzz has drafted after me yet, I'm going to replace my Berkman pick (since he is part of my last 2 picks that are together) with 1B/LF Willie Stargell, 1969-1975... just so everyone know...

for everyone else, you can replace players if the person ahead of you hasn't picked or even after the draft... We have done this in the past as well.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

RP Tug McGraw 1969-1972

I just noticed this. I took McGraw about 2 rounds before you.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Am I even up? I suggest some sort of reminder on the front page for who is up. With everyone doing their make-up picks, I've lost track. Sorry if I'm late.

Paul Waner 1926-1932

[Buzzaldrin]

Since Tyrus or Buzz has drafted after me yet, I'm going to replace my Berkman pick (since he is part of my last 2 picks that are together) with 1B/LF Willie Stargell, 1969-1975... just so everyone know...

for everyone else, you can replace players if the person ahead of you hasn't picked or even after the draft... We have done this in the past as well.

Why can you do this? Can this be done in any real draft? Isn't the idea to be like a real draft? That's why I had problems with people starting at positions they only played a handful of games at, and why I had questions about injuries (I still don't see why I can't have McGwire 92-99). But you can't really take back a draft choice, can you? That seems a bit wrong to me.

Then again, I wasn't going to take either Berkman or Stargell, so it doesn't really have a big effect here. No harm, no foul, I guess.

I've got plenty of speed, I'll add yet more muscle in reserve-

Ralph Kiner 1947-1953

[Buzzaldrin]

well, it's been 36 hours since my last pick, and since there are three guys after me, I assume it's okay to pick again.

Last round! Well, here we go...



3rd string catcher Gabby Hartnett 1931-1937



This was loads of fun- how do we do the sim?

[The Splendid Splinter]

This was loads of fun- how do we do the sim?

Mwiggins has the sim on his computer so he'll have to do that part. I'm going to be doing the poll part.

I need everyone to update their roster page with everyone on there. You don't have to add the stats or do analysis at the end either, just the names and years.

Then I will either make 1 thread in the history forum with the 7 teams and let voters decide who is the best team out of those 7... or i will make 2 threads and see who wins those (1 out of 3 and other out of 4) and the winners will face against each other in the final poll... Kinda like a tournament.

Tyrus is up until 7 PM tonight... then I will make the last pick of the draft. After I make the last pick, I'll give this 3 more days for people to make up or replace their picks and update their roster page.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

For my last pick I'll snag Roberto Alomar 1995-2001

[The Splendid Splinter]

OF Jim Edmonds, 2000-2006

http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/edmonds3.jpg

EB has 6 picks left

those are the picks left in this draft...

[SamtheBravesFan]

1B-DH Eddie Murray, 1982-88

OF Dave Winfield, 1977-83

RP Dave Righetti, 1984-87

RP Ron Perranoski, 1961-64

[mwiggins]

IF Johnny Pesky 1942-1951
OF Charlie Keller 1939-1946

[Erik Bedard]

Frank Linzy, 1965-68
Don McMahon, 1961-64
Javy Lopez, 1998-2004
Luke Appling, 1938-44
Tim Raines, 1983-89
Al Rosen, 1950-56

[mwiggins]

I'll take RP Jeff Nelson 1994-1997 to replace Tug McGraw.

I've got the sim mostly setup. If anyone else wants to provide lineups (or lineups for vs. right or left if you'd like) or setup your bullpen (assign pitchers to closer, setup, long relief, and mopup roles), I'll give you a few days to post them in the roster thread. Otherwise the sim will handle that for your team.

Here's a template for BP roles if you want to assign pitchers to them:

Mopup:
Long Relief:
Setup vs. L:
Setup vs. R:
Closer vs. L:
Closer vs. R:

You can assign multiple pitchers to each role, the computer manager will use the first one if they're rested and their "backup" if not. And you can have pitchers in multiple roles. If you want Rivera to be the first closer option every time, then assign him to both Closer vs. L and vs. R roles.

You can also indicate if you want a 4-main rotation, 5-main strict, or 5-main where your 5th starter gets skipped when possible.

Also, you can assign late inning defensive replacements for any position and assign your top pinch hitter vs. LH or RH pitchers.

[mwiggins]

The sim is all setup. 160 games, each team plays the other 5 32 times. Here's an exibition series I did with Splendid Splinter's team and mine, while I'm waiting to see if anyone else wants to provide lineups or bullpen setups. Gibby outduels the Big Train in game one, but the Splinter's bats come alive in game two as the pound out 5 HR's, including two 3-run blasts from DH Johnny Mize. Their vaunted bullpen almost blows it, giving up a 5 spot in the bottom of the 9th. Game three saw Greg Maddux completely dominate as DiMaggio provided all the runs he'd need with a two run triple in the 4th.


6/15/2009, SpS09-MW09, County Stadium (1985-00)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E LOB DP
2009 Splinters 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 4 2
2009 Mwiggins 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 x 3 8 0 5 0

Splinters AB R H BI AVG Mwiggins AB R H BI AVG
Brett 3b 4 0 1 0 .250 Henderson,R lf 4 0 0 0 .000
Lajoie 2b 4 1 3 0 .750 Speaker cf 4 1 2 0 .500
Pujols 1b 4 0 0 0 .000 Wagner,H ss 4 0 0 0 .000
Mize dh 4 0 0 1 .000 Bonds,Ba dh 3 1 0 0 .000
DiMaggio,J cf 4 0 0 0 .000 Hornsby 2b 4 1 2 1 .500
Stargell lf 2 0 0 0 .000 Jackson,J rf 3 0 1 0 .333
Clemente rf 3 0 0 0 .000 Ott 3b 3 0 2 1 .667
Campanella c 2 0 0 0 .000 Dickey c 3 0 1 1 .333
Edmonds ph 1 0 0 0 .000 Sisler 1b 2 0 0 0 .000
Biggio c 0 0 0 0 .000 30 3 8 3
Banks ss 3 0 0 0 .000
31 1 4 1

Splinters INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Johnson,W L 8.0 8 3 3 2 3 116 81 3.38
8.0 8 3 3 2 3 116 81

Mwiggins INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Gibson,B W 9.0 4 1 0 1 7 102 69 0.00
9.0 4 1 0 1 7 102 69

SpS: Edmonds batted for Campanella in the 8th
Biggio inserted at c in the 8th

2B-Lajoie 2, Ott. 3B-Hornsby. K-Brett, Pujols, Mize, Stargell 2, Clemente,
Edmonds, Hornsby, Jackson,J 2. BB-Stargell, Bonds,Ba, Sisler. PB-Dickey.
GWRBI: Ott
Temperature: 70, Sky: clear, Wind: out to left at 8 MPH.

6/15/2009, SpS09-MW09, County Stadium (1985-00)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E LOB DP
2009 Splinters 1 0 3 0 1 0 0 4 0 9 8 1 3 3
2009 Mwiggins 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 7 13 1 10 0

Splinters AB R H BI AVG Mwiggins AB R H BI AVG
Brett 3b 5 1 1 1 .200 Henderson,R lf 3 1 0 0 .000
Lajoie 2b 5 2 2 0 .400 Speaker cf 4 1 3 1 .750
Pujols 1b 3 3 1 1 .333 Wagner,H ss 5 1 2 4 .400
Mize dh 4 2 2 6 .500 Bonds,Ba dh 3 1 1 1 .333
DiMaggio,J cf 3 1 1 1 .333 Hornsby 2b 5 1 1 0 .200
Stargell lf 4 0 0 0 .000 Jackson,J rf 5 0 1 0 .200
Edmonds lf 0 0 0 0 .000 Ott 3b 4 0 0 1 .000
Clemente rf 4 0 1 0 .250 Bresnahan c 4 0 1 0 .250
Campanella c 3 0 0 0 .000 Sisler 1b 4 2 4 0 1.000
Banks ss 4 0 0 0 .000 37 7 13 7
35 9 8 9

Splinters INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Johnson,Ra W 8.0 10 2 2 5 3 146 81 2.25
Brewer,J 0.0 2 4 4 2 0 17 6 99.00
Ryan,BJ H 0.1 0 1 0 0 1 5 4 0.00
Wagner S 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 10 6 0.00
9.0 13 7 6 7 4 178 97

Mwiggins INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Young,C L 5.1 5 5 5 2 5 87 55 8.44
Sutter 1.2 0 0 0 0 1 13 9 0.00
Smoltz 2.0 3 4 4 2 0 37 22 18.00
9.0 8 9 9 4 6 137 86

SpS: Edmonds inserted at lf in the 8th

E-Clemente, Wagner,H. 2B-Sisler. HR-Brett(1), Pujols(1), Mize 2(2),
DiMaggio,J(1), Wagner,H(1), Bonds,Ba(1). CS-Henderson,R. K-Lajoie, Pujols,
Stargell 2, Clemente, Banks, Wagner,H, Bonds,Ba, Jackson,J, Bresnahan.
BB-Pujols 2, DiMaggio,J, Campanella, Henderson,R 2, Speaker, Bonds,Ba 2, Ott,
Bresnahan.
GWRBI: Mize
Temperature: 70, Sky: partly cloudy, Wind: out to right at 13 MPH.

6/15/2009, SpS09-MW09, County Stadium (1985-00)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E LOB DP
2009 Splinters 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 3 0 7 9 2 3 1
2009 Mwiggins 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 0 5 1

Splinters AB R H BI AVG Mwiggins AB R H BI AVG
Brett 3b 4 3 2 0 .500 Henderson,R lf 4 0 1 0 .250
Lajoie 2b 3 1 1 0 .333 Speaker cf 4 0 0 0 .000
Pujols 1b 3 1 2 1 .667 Wagner,H ss 4 0 0 0 .000
Mize dh 4 2 1 2 .250 Bonds,Ba dh 4 1 1 0 .250
DiMaggio,J cf 3 0 2 4 .667 Hornsby 2b 4 0 1 0 .250
Stargell lf 4 0 0 0 .000 Jackson,J rf 3 0 0 1 .000
Edmonds lf 0 0 0 0 .000 Ott 3b 3 0 0 0 .000
Clemente rf 4 0 1 0 .250 Dickey c 3 0 1 0 .333
Campanella c 4 0 0 0 .000 Sisler 1b 2 0 1 0 .500
Banks ss 4 0 0 0 .000 31 1 5 1
33 7 9 7

Splinters INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Maddux W 9.0 5 1 1 1 6 123 73 1.00
9.0 5 1 1 1 6 123 73

Mwiggins INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Vance L 7.0 6 5 5 2 7 106 70 6.43
Gossage 1.0 3 2 2 0 2 24 14 18.00
Lyle 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 10 7 0.00
9.0 9 7 7 2 10 140 91

SpS: Edmonds inserted at lf in the 8th

E-Lajoie, Stargell. 2B-Mize, DiMaggio,J. 3B-DiMaggio,J, Bonds,Ba. K-Lajoie,
Mize, Stargell 3, Clemente, Campanella 3, Banks, Henderson,R, Wagner,H 2,
Hornsby 2, Ott. BB-Brett, Pujols, Sisler. SH-Lajoie. SF-DiMaggio,J,
Jackson,J.
GWRBI: DiMaggio,J
Temperature: 67, Sky: clear, Wind: in from center at 11 MPH.

[Buzzaldrin]

this is going to be really fun. I'm away on business again, but I can most likely give my lineup settings Monday evening. Tuesday morning latest if you can wait that long.

[Erik Bedard]

Lineup posted in roster thread

[The Splendid Splinter]

The sim is all setup. 160 games, each team plays the other 5 32 times. Here's an exibition series I did with Splendid Splinter's team and mine, while I'm waiting to see if anyone else wants to provide lineups or bullpen setups.

Sweet... I'm just curious. Is there any way you can make Greenberg and Stargell platoon like 50% of the time? I just realized that Greenberg didn't even get to bat and he's the better player. Also there's probably more RHSPs than LHSPs in this league so I would like to see Greenberg playing some righty while Stargell probably won't be playing against starting lefties.

This will be fun. I can't wait to see who wins at the end of the season and also what kind of stats they put up.

[mwiggins]

Sweet... I'm just curious. Is there any way you can make Greenberg and Stargell platoon like 50% of the time? I just realized that Greenberg didn't even get to bat and he's the better player. Also there's probably more RHSPs than LHSPs in this league so I would like to see Greenberg playing some righty while Stargell probably won't be playing against starting lefties.

This will be fun. I can't wait to see who wins at the end of the season and also what kind of stats they put up.

Yes, I can set Greenberg to play say 40% of the time vs. RH.

Edit: Just did a quick season sim with those settings, and Greenberg ended up with 352 PA's to Stargell's 332. So, I'll keep that setting unless you say otherwise.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'm still working on mine but should have it by tommorrow or Tuesday.

Would it be possible for me to change one of my bench picks?

[The Splendid Splinter]

Yes, I can set Greenberg to play say 40% of the time vs. RH.

Edit: Just did a quick season sim with those settings, and Greenberg ended up with 352 PA's to Stargell's 332. So, I'll keep that setting unless you say otherwise.

If it's not too late mwiggins, I would like to see Greenberg to play 50 or 60% vs. RH. I want to see him with like 400 PAs or Stargell at around 250... Thanks...

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm still working on mine but should have it by tommorrow or Tuesday.

Would it be possible for me to change one of my bench picks?

Go ahead and change it if you like... That goes for everyone else as well. It'll be for the sim and I already put our poll in the History Forum.

[mwiggins]

If it's not too late mwiggins, I would like to see Greenberg to play 50 or 60% vs. RH. I want to see him with like 400 PAs or Stargell at around 250... Thanks...

I'll put Greenberg at 100% vs. LHSP and 55% vs. RHSP. You did get some nice production out of the LF spot in that sim. 47 HR's and 116 RBI between the two of them.

[Buzzaldrin]

Do we have a rough idea of when we are starting the sim, and how long it will be for (I mean, do we do a whole season, or a month or two and then we check our injuries and such, or weekly, or daily, or what?)

and will it be on this thread?

[mwiggins]

Do we have a rough idea of when we are starting the sim, and how long it will be for (I mean, do we do a whole season, or a month or two and then we check our injuries and such, or weekly, or daily, or what?)

and will it be on this thread?


It'll be on it's own thread. I'm doing 7 sims right now, so we can have a good idea of how the teams stack up, since a single season can yield flukey results.

I was planning on doing an official sim and simming one month at a time. I'll post the standings and stats and injuries, and then give you guys a couple of days to make changes to your lineups and pitching rotations. Once that's over, I'll post the average finishes of each team in the 7 sims.

I should have the April results up on a new thread today.