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AstrosFan
01-05-2009, 03:23 PM
We all have our own definition of what makes a Hall of Famer. And many of us are simply appalled at what we see as terrible selections. I would like to start voting on the mistakes of the Hall of Fame.


Please Read These Rules Before Making Your Selections:


1. This is players only, which means players are to be judged on their playing career first. A player may receive a boost from a voter for other activities (managing, scouting, etc.), but those are only secondary considerations. But of course, do not judge a player solely by his numbers.

2. There are now 229 players in the Hall. I plan on putting a ballot of 25-26 each round, plus a none of the above option. You may vote for 0-15 players. If you think a player is close, but doesn't belong, and you have room on your ballot, check him as a mistake. A player needs to get 75+% of the vote to be dubbed a mistake. Since there will be much disagreement on who is a mistake, there is no need to limit yourself to the Rube Marquards and George Kellys of the Hall. Again, DO NOT JUST VOTE FOR THE BAD PICKS. VOTE FOR ANYONE YOU PERSONALLY WOULD NOT ELECT TO THE HALL.

3. Please do not be shy. In participating in this project, no one is necessarily advocating the removal of anyone from the Hall. It is just a way to see who we would identify as mistakes made by the various election committees.

4. All players are eligible. Do your best when it comes to players you may have a hard time judging, like Negro Leaguers and 19th century players. You don't have to read an encyclopedia, but at least some research should help.

5. If a player receives less than 5% of the vote as a mistake, he becomes permanently ineligible. No one wants to belabor the point that Willie Mays is not a Hall of Fame mistake.

6. A player must have crossed the 50% threshold by his 10th try, else he is dropped, unless he has been gaining noticeable momentum. What constitutes noticeable will be up to me, though I intend to do my best to define it in a way that will appease as many as I can. Think Jim Rice or Bert Blyleven in the real HOF voting.

7. At some point, we will reach a place where we just aren't going to identify any more mistakes. At that point, the project will shut down, and I will list the players alphabetically, and include some statistics for everyone's benefit.

8. Please be careful when voting. I do not have the power to edit ballots, and I do not wish to bother the mods constantly to ask them if they can change things. Because of this, ballots will not be changed, except in the case of honest mistakes. Please contact a mod about this if it happens, but please be very careful when voting, so the moderators do not have to be bothered more than necessary.

9. Please be respectful of other people's choices. Disagreement is natural, but calling those with a different viewpoint narrowminded, ignorant, etc. is unnecessary, and morely likely than not untrue.

10. This is probably obvious, but the players are listed alphabetically.

11. Please post your ballot in the thread.

12. Voting is open for one week.


Have fun.

AstrosFan
01-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Last round, the following two players were selected as HOF Mistakes:

Dave Bancroft
Jack Chesbro

As mentioned, when this project has run its course, I will provide a chart of data on those chosen as mistakes.

In Round 1, nobody got 75% of the vote. A player needs 5% or more of the vote to move to the next round, such players are marked with a "Y". Remember that the percentages are rounded. 4.6% rounds up to 5%, but would not qualify for advancement. Mistakes are noted with a "Y". If a Y does not appear, an "N" does. As you can probably guess, they stand for Yes and No.

First Last Votes Possible Pct Mistake? 5%?
Hank Aaron 0 31 0 N N
Pete Alexander 0 31 0 N N
Cap Anson 1 31 0.03 N N
Luis Aparicio 11 31 0.35 N Y
Luke Appling 1 31 0.03 N N
Richie Ashburn 3 31 0.1 N Y
Earl Averill 3 31 0.1 N Y
Frank Baker 2 31 0.06 N Y
Dave Bancroft 23 31 0.74 N Y
Ernie Banks 0 31 0 N N
Jake Beckley 14 31 0.45 N Y
Cool Papa Bell 0 31 0 N N
Johnny Bench 0 31 0 N N
Chief Bender 18 31 0.58 N Y
Yogi Berra 0 31 0 N N
Wade Boggs 0 31 0 N N
Jim Bottomley 19 31 0.61 N Y
Lou Boudreau 4 31 0.13 N Y
Roger Bresnahan 5 31 0.16 N Y
George Brett 0 31 0 N N
Lou Brock 0 31 0 N N
Dan Brouthers 2 31 0.06 N Y
Mordecai Brown 0 31 0 N N
Ray Brown 6 31 0.19 N Y
Willard Brown 7 31 0.23 N Y
Jim Bunning 4 31 0.13 N Y

And for Round 2:

First Last Votes Possible Pct Mistake? 5%?
Luis Aparicio 6 22 0.27 N Y
Richie Ashburn 3 22 0.14 N Y
Earl Averill 2 22 0.09 N Y
Frank Baker 1 22 0.05 N N
Dave Bancroft 18 22 0.82 Y Y
Jake Beckley 7 22 0.32 N Y
Chief Bender 9 22 0.41 N Y
Jim Bottomley 15 22 0.68 N Y
Lou Boudreau 4 22 0.18 N Y
Roger Bresnahan 7 22 0.32 N Y
Dan Brouthers 0 22 0 N N
Ray Brown 1 22 0.05 N N
Willard Brown 2 22 0.09 N Y
Jim Bunning 2 22 0.09 N Y
Jesse Burkett 3 22 0.14 N Y
Roy Campanella 2 22 0.09 N Y
Rod Carew 0 22 0 N N
Max Carey 1 22 0.05 N N
Steve Carlton 0 22 0 N N
Gary Carter 0 22 0 N N
Orlando Cepeda 5 22 0.23 N Y
Frank Chance 4 22 0.18 N Y
Oscar Charleston 0 22 0 N N
Jack Chesbro 17 22 0.77 Y Y
Fred Clarke 0 22 0 N N

I'm sorry I didn't get this up sooner. I came down with a case of bad allergies during my Christmas vacation. Hope we get a great turnout like the last two times.

Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
01-05-2009, 05:00 PM
Aparicio
Ashburn
Averill
Bottomley
Bresnahan
Jimmy Collins
Chance
Combs

Good project you got going there Astrosfan.

henrich
01-05-2009, 05:06 PM
1. Boudreau
2. Bresnahan
3. Chance
4. Collins, Jimmy
5. Combs

That's all for now. Hopefully you are over your allergies...

AstrosFan
01-05-2009, 05:42 PM
Aparicio
Beckley
Bender
Fry
Zoidberg
Farnsworth

Sorry, got to thinking about Futurama. Real list:

Aparicio
Beckley
Bender
Bottomley
Bresnahan
Combs

AstrosFan
01-05-2009, 05:43 PM
1. Boudreau
2. Bresnahan
3. Chance
4. Collins, Jimmy
5. Combs

That's all for now. Hopefully you are over your allergies...

Nose is still runny, but yeah, I'm fine. Thanks for asking.

jalbright
01-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Beckley
Bender
Bottomley
Combs

BlueBlood
01-05-2009, 10:33 PM
Judging by the voting thus far....I think our new Hall of Mistakes will complement the BBF HOF pretty well.

Captain Cold Nose
01-06-2009, 08:24 AM
Since ballfour was kind enough to vote for Cobb and Cobb alone, I really hope another good porject doesn't get bogged down with joke votes.

gman5431
01-06-2009, 08:33 AM
Bender & Bottomley. Thought about Combes but didnt go there.

G Rizzle

KCGHOST
01-06-2009, 10:27 AM
Aparicio
Bender
Bottomley

AstrosFan
01-06-2009, 02:41 PM
Since ballfour was kind enough to vote for Cobb and Cobb alone, I really hope another good porject doesn't get bogged down with joke votes.

I agree. I'm almost tempted to remove that vote and calculate the percentages as if it never existed, but I guess it's not my place to do such things. Maybe Balfour could explain his reasoning.

jalbright
01-06-2009, 05:57 PM
I agree. I'm almost tempted to remove that vote and calculate the percentages as if it never existed, but I guess it's not my place to do such things. Maybe Balfour could explain his reasoning.

Actually, it's your project, and if you want to require that ballots only be those you consider to be made in good faith, I'll be happy to make the necessary changes to the vote totals--though you'll still have to recalculate the percentages. As mod of the forum, I'll allow those running their projects to use reasonable rules to help their projects achieve their goals. As a possible participant, I may or may not choose to participate under the rules set, but that's an entirely different matter. I don't think anyone should ever have any legitimate gripes with rules requiring good faith ballots.

jjpm74
01-06-2009, 10:42 PM
If Cobb were an impeccable person, I'd question that ballot, but he clearly was not. Leecemark did not vote for Cobb in jalbright's current project and I didn't vote for him in doubleX's current project. In both cases, character issues were cited. While I would never consider removing Cobb from the HOF, I can definitely see where someone might be inclined to consider his inclusion in the HOF a mistake citing character issues.

leecemark
01-06-2009, 10:51 PM
--I did boycott him in the first election in that project, but I would have voted for him in the second (he made it in the first without me). I definately do not consider him a mistake.
--I don' even think the issue here was voting for Cobb as a mistake. It was voting only for Cobb that creates a problem. There are some pretty weak Hall of Famers on this ballot. We should have some "winners", but getting 75% requires all participants to cast thoughtfull ballots.

dgarza
01-07-2009, 06:18 AM
Bresnahan
Chance
Combs

AstrosFan
01-07-2009, 06:41 PM
After deliberating, since I can see no logical reason why anyone would vote only for Ty Cobb as a Hall of Fame mistake out of these choices beyond making a joke vote, I am going to proceed with the tallies as though balfour's vote never existed.

AstrosFan
01-10-2009, 02:22 PM
Looks like we have quite the diversity of opinion as to who is a HOF mistake, which makes it very tough for a player to get 'elected'. I consider this a good thing, and I hope we continue to get votes in. The poll won't close until the 12th, so if you enjoy these kinds of projects, cast your vote. My thanks to all who have voted.

AstrosFan
01-11-2009, 11:27 PM
Less than 24 hours to go.