Please help with explanation of this video

[Bryton]

Ok everyone. I need a little clarification on something I'm seeing in this swing.

Ok, everything I have heard is that the rotation of the hips "brings the shoulders, arms, and hands for the ride". So basically, that is saying that you "physically" do not move your upper body. The rotation of the hips will move your upper body for you. Do I understand this correctly? The reason I ask this is, because looking at this video, it looks like Manny is "physically" using his upper body simultaneously with his hip rotation. Is he actually/pulling his shoulders, arms and hands to bring his upper body through with his hips? It may be hard to determine from this video, but it sure does look that way to me. It looks like he is using his upper body to like "pull" or whatever cue you want to call it to use his upper body in the swing.

Can anyone tell me if this is what they see or not? I mean to me it looks like it is not just the lower part of the body doing the work here to bring the upper body for the ride. To me it looks like he is using just as much of his lower body as he is his upper body.

I guess what I'm really trying to find out is if there is any point in the swing where you are actually physically yourself as a hitter using your upper body to swing the bat?

Thanks.

[rkbenn]

Ok everyone. I need a little clarification on something I'm seeing in this swing.

Ok, everything I have heard is that the rotation of the hips "brings the shoulders, arms, and hands for the ride". So basically, that is saying that you "physically" do not move your upper body. The rotation of the hips will move your upper body for you. Do I understand this correctly? The reason I ask this is, because looking at this video, it looks like Manny is "physically" using his upper body simultaneously with his hip rotation. Is he actually/pulling his shoulders, arms and hands to bring his upper body through with his hips? It may be hard to determine from this video, but it sure does look that way to me. It looks like he is using his upper body to like "pull" or whatever cue you want to call it to use his upper body in the swing.

Can anyone tell me if this is what they see or not? I mean to me it looks like it is not just the lower part of the body doing the work here to bring the upper body for the ride. To me it looks like he is using just as much of his lower body as he is his upper body.

I guess what I'm really trying to find out is if there is any point in the swing where you are actually physically yourself as a hitter using your upper body to swing the bat?

Thanks.

Hips lead creating separation and tension to increase the speed of the rotation of the shoulders. Shoulders do drive in the swing. In this clip Manny created separation, but it is not apparent in this clip...IMO.

[Bryton]

So at some point you are "physically/consciously" using your shoulders/upperbody in the swing?

[callyjr]

So at some point you are "physically/consciously" using your shoulders/upperbody in the swing?

consciously? I don't think so

[omg]

So at some point you are "physically/consciously" using your shoulders/upperbody in the swing?

TW said as a feel/cue that "the wrists,forearms, and hands give it 100%" but the hip action is much more reserved. I think good hitters try to REPEAT what their shoulders and hips do in a consistent way but they want the sense that the hands, holding onto the bat, determine the result. So as a means of simplifying a complicated skill I think they are not consciously thinking of what their large muscles/segments are doing.

[Ursa Major]

Bryton, as a starting point, I think you need to distinguish between "the upper body" and "the shoulders". The hip turn causes tension/stretching with the torso, which I think you do consciously turn, although you may use the cue "drive the back shoulder to the ball" to cause the torso to turn.

There it gets more complicated depending on how you define the following movement actions as being part of the shoulder turn or something else:

~ unloading the scaps
~ turning/pushing the triceps
~ the pulling back on the front shoulder ('the hook') just before contact

Still, I think there's a huge difference between saying that the "shoulders, arms, and hands [go] for the ride" and "saying that you "physically" do not move your upper body" (emphasis added).