Top 100 (Now 200) Pitchers Phase 2 Tier 10 Runoff

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This is a vote for 2!

Chet Brewer
Charlie Buffinton
Spud Chandler
Larry Corcoran #
Doug Drabek
Larry Jackson
Ed Lopat
Bobby Mathews
Lindy McDaniel
Eddie Rommell
Nap Rucker
George Uhle
Johnny Van Der Meer
John Ward#

# Preliminary Round winner.

Please Vote for 2!

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Links to preliminary rounds and related projects:

Phase 1 Threads:

Pre-1893 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78102)
1893-1919 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78755)
1920-1945 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79250)
NeL and Pre-NeL (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79656)
1946-1968 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79664)
1969-1985 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80460)
1986-2007 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80845)
Active Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81263)

Phase 2 Threads:

Tier 1 Round 1: Pre-1893, 1919 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81666)
Tier 1 Round 2: 1919-1945, NeL/Pre-NeL (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81856)
Tier 1 Round 3: 1946-1985 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82095)
Tier 1 Round 4: 1986-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?p=1288021)
Tier 1 Round 5: Choosing Tier 1 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82535)
Tier 2 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82737)
Tier 2 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83037)
Tier 2 Round 3: Choosing Tier 2 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83275)
Tier 3 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83375)
Tier 3 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83474)
Tier 3 Round 3: Choosing Tier 3 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83606)
Tier 3 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83750)
Tier 4 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83906)
Tier 4 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83997)
Tier 4 Round 3: Choosing Tier 4 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84112)
Tier 4 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84219)
Tier 5 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84297)
Tier 5 Round 2: 1946-Present Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84399)
Tier 5 Round 3: Choosing Tier 5 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84469)
Tier 5 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84555)
Tier 6 Round 1: Top Also Rans (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84646)
Tier 6 Round 2: Choosing Tier 6 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84752)
Tier 6 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84833)
Tier 7 Round 1: Choosing Tier 7 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84921)
Tier 8 Round 1: Choosing Tier 8 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85018)
Tier 8 Runoff (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85097)
Tier 9 Round 1: Top Pitchers who were not on a Preliminary Ballot (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85166)
Tier 9 Round 2: Pre-1946, NeL, pre-NeL Who Had Some Support on the Preliminary Ballot (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85288)
Tier 9 Round 3: Post-1945 Pitchers Who Has Some Support on the Preliminary Ballot (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85363)
Tier 9 Round 4: Choosing Tier 9 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85624)
Tier 9 Runoff (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85837)
Tier 10 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85837)
Tier 10 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85925)


Paul Wendt's Also Ran spin off project:

Introduction, overview and contents (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83905)

Phase 1:

1A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83799)
1B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83842)
1C (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83841)
1D (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83898)
1E (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84027)
1F (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84152)
1G (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84177)
1H (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84322)
1I (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85238)

Phase 2:

2A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83908)
2B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84369)
2C (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84603)
2D (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85266)
2E (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85308)
2F (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85799)

Phase 3:

3A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84285)
3B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84862)
3C (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85796)
3D (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86673)
3E (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86990)
Also Ran Pitchers Supplement i (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86749)
Overlooked Pitchers 6 of 12 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86924)
Overlooked Pitchers No Min/Max (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86922)


Phase 1 Winners:
Pre-1893:

Tommy Bond
Bob Caruthers
John Clarkson
Larry Corcoran
Candy Cummings
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
Sliver King
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Tony Mullane
Charley Radbourne
Al Spalding
John Ward
Mickey Welch

1894-1919:

Chief Bender
Mordecai Brown
Jack Chesbro
Eddie Ciccotte
Clark Griffith
Addie Joss
Rube Marquard
Christy Mathewson
Joe McGinnity
Kid Nichols
Deacon Phillippe
Eddie Plank
Ed Reulbach
Amos Rusie
Jesse Tannehill
Hippo Vaughn
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Vic Willis
Smoky Joe Wood
Cy Young

1920-1945:

Pete Alexander
Tommy Bridges
Wilbur Cooper
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Red Faber
Wes Ferrell
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Waite Hoyt
Walter Johnson
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Herb Pennock
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Urban Shocker
Dazzy Vance
Bucky Walters

NeL and Pre-NeL:

Ray Brown
Andy Cooper
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
John Donaldson
Bill Foster
Rube Foster
Bill Jackman
Jose Mendez
Satchel Paige
Cannonball Dick Redding
Bullet Joe Rogan
Hilton Smith
Luis Tiant Sr.
Smoky Joe Williams
Nip Winters

1946-1968:

Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Bob Feller
Whitey Ford
Bob Gibson
Sandy Koufax
Bob Lemon
Dutch Leonard
Sal Maglie
Juan Marichal
Denny McLain
Don Newcombe
Hal Newhouser
Billy Pierce
Robin Roberts
Johnny Sain
Warren Spahn
Dizzy Trout
Virgil Trucks
Hoyt Wilhelm
Early Wynn

1969-1985:

Vida Blue
Steve Carlton
Rollie Fingers
Ron Guidry
Catfish Hunter
Fergie Jenkins
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jerry Koosman
Mickey Lolich
Sparky Lyle
Tug McGraw
Phil Neikro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Dan Quisenberry
Rick Reuschel
Tom Seaver
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant Jr.
Wilbur Wood

1986-2007:

Bert Blyleven
Kevin Brown
Roger Clemens
David Cone
Dennis Eckersley
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Goose Gossage
Tom Henke
Orel Hershiser
Jimmy Key
Dennis Martinez
Jack Morris
Nolan Ryan
Brett Saberhagen
Curt Schilling
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Bruce Sutter
Frank Tanana
Fernando Valenzuela
David Wells

Active Pitchers:

Tom Glavine
Roy Halladay
Trevor Hoffman
Tim Hudson
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Mike Mussina
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
C.C. Sabathia
Johan Santana
John Smoltz
Billy Wagner

Phase 1 losers who received at least 1 vote in the preliminary rounds:
Pre-1893:

Player Votes Pct

Charlie Buffinton 8 38.10%
Will White 8 38.10%
Jim Creighton 6 28.57%
Kid Gleason 6 28.57%
Dick McBride 4 19.05%
Fred Goldsmith 4 19.05%
Bill Hutchison 4 19.05%
Guy Hecker 3 14.29%
Dave Foutz 3 14.29%
Jim Whitney 3 14.29%
Ed Morris 2 9.52%
George Bradley 2 9.52%
Matt Kilroy 2 9.52%
Elton Chamberlain 1 4.76%
Harry Staley 1 4.76%

1893-1919:

Player Votes Pct

Bill Dinneen 4 20.00%
Sam Leever 4 20.00%
Noodles Hahn 3 15.00%
Red Ames 3 15.00%
Jack Taylor 3 15.00%
Doc White 3 15.00%
Jack Coombs 2 10.00%
Jack Stivetts 2 10.00%
Gus Weyhing 2 10.00%
Nig Cuppy 1 5.00%
Dummy Taylor 1 5.00%

1920-1945:

Player Votes Pct

Babe Adams 5 26.32%
Jack Quinn 5 26.32%
Lon Warneke 5 26.32%
Jesse Haines 4 21.05%
Spud Chandler 4 21.05%
Dolf Luque 4 21.05%
Schoolboy Rowe 4 21.05%
Mel Harder 3 15.79%
Johnny Van Der Meer 3 15.79%
Bullet Joe Bush 2 10.53%
Mort Cooper 2 10.53%
Charlie Root 2 10.53%
George Uhle 2 10.53%
Rube Walberg 2 10.53%
Jesse Barnes 1 5.26%
Paul Derringer 1 5.26%
Dutch Ruether 1 5.26%
Bob Shawkey 1 5.26%
Earl Whitehill 1 5.26%

NeL and Pre-NeL:

Player Votes Pct

Chet Brewer 4 30.77%
Dizzy Dismukes 3 23.08%
Double Duty Radcliff 3 23.08%
Harry Buckner 2 15.38%
Dan McClellan 2 15.38%
Walter Ball 1 7.69%
Dan Bankhead 1 7.69%
Bill Byrd 1 7.69%
Phil Cockrel 1 7.69%
Bob Griffith 1 7.69%
Max Manning 1 7.69%
Leroy Malock 1 7.69%
Frank Wickware 1 7.69%

1946-1968:

Player Votes Pct

Harry Brecheen 4 20.00%
Roy Face 4 20.00%
Milt Pappas 4 20.00%
Jim Perry 4 20.00%
Johnny Podres 4 20.00%
Allie Reynolds 4 20.00%
Preacher Roe 4 20.00%
Curt Simmons 4 20.00%
Lew Burdette 3 15.00%
Don Larsen 3 15.00%
Jim Maloney 3 15.00%
Sam McDowell 3 15.00%
Mel Parnell 3 15.00%
Camillo Pascual 3 15.00%
Vic Raschi 3 15.00%
Mel Stottlemyre 3 15.00%
Mike Garcia 2 10.00%
Larry Jackson 2 10.00%
Ed Lopat 2 10.00%
Lindy McDaniel 2 10.00%
Harvey Haddix 1 5.00%
Clem Labine 1 5.00%
Joe Nuxhall 1 5.00%
Ron Perranoski 1 5.00%

1969-1985:

Player Votes Pct

John Hiller 5 22.73%
Mike Marshall 5 22.73%
J.R. Richard 5 22.73%
Steve Rogers 5 22.73%
Kent Tekulve 3 13.64%
Mike Cuellar 2 9.09%
Ken Holtzman 2 9.09%
Mario Soto 2 9.09%
Doyle Alexander 1 4.55%
Doc Ellis 1 4.55%
Willie Hernandez 1 4.55%
Joe Niekro 1 4.55%
Jerry Reuss 1 4.55%

1986-2007:

Player Votes Pct

Kevin Appier 5 25.00%
Dave Stewart 5 25.00%
Jose Rijo 4 20.00%
John Wetteland 4 20.00%
Chuck Finley 3 15.00%
Andy Messersmith 3 15.00%
Randy Myers 3 15.00%
Bob Welch 3 15.00%
Robb Nen 2 10.00%
Jesse Orosco 2 10.00%
Jeff Reardon 2 10.00%
Frank Voila 2 10.00%
Tom Browning 1 5.00%
Doug Drabek 1 5.00%
Roberto Hernandez 1 5.00%
Charlie Hough 1 5.00%
Mark Langston 1 5.00%
Al Leiter 1 5.00%
Ramon Martinez 1 5.00%
Rick Sutcliffe 1 5.00%

Active Pitchers:

Player Votes Pct

Jamie Moyer 11 37.93%
Carlos Zambrano 7 24.14%
Kenny Rogers 6 20.69%
Hideo Nomo 4 13.79%
Troy Percival 4 13.79%
Chris Carpenter 2 6.90%
Bartolo Colon 2 6.90%
Mark Buehrle 1 3.45%
Derek Lowe 1 3.45%
Jason Schmidt 1 3.45%
Tim Wakefield 1 3.45%



Pitchers who earned a minimum of 20% of the phase 1 vote:


Babe Adams
Kevin Appier
Harry Brecheen
Chet Brewer
Charlie Buffinton
Spud Chandler
Jim Creighton
Bill Dinneen
Dizzy Dismukes
Roy Face
Kid Gleason
Jesse Haines
John Hiller
Sam Leever
Dolf Luque
Mike Marshall
Jamie Moyer
Milt Pappas
Jim Perry
Johnny Podres
Jack Quinn
Double Duty Radcliffe
Allie Reynolds
Kenny Rogers
J.R. Richard
Jose Rijo
Preacher Roe
Steve Rogers
Schoolboy Rowe
Curt Simmons
Dave Stewart
Lon Warneke
John Wetteland
Will White
Carlos Zambrano



Pitchers who appeared on Phase 1 ballots but did not receive any votes:

Pre-1893:

Mark Baldwin
Charlie Getzein
Ad Gumbert
Jack Lynch
Toad Ramsey
Adonis Terry
Stump Weidman
George Zettlein

1893-1919:

Bill Donovan
Claude Hendrix
Brickyard Kennedy
Earl Moore
George Mullin
Al Orth
Jeff Pfeffer
Jack Powell
Slim Salee
Hookse Wiltse

1920-1946:

Johnny Allen
Elden Auker
Guy Bush
Hooks Dauss
Bill Doak
Freddie Fitzsimmons
Larry French
Sad Sam Jones
Bill Lee
Red Lucas
Firpo Marberry
Art Nehf
Claude Passeau
Rip Sewell

NeL/Pre-NeL:

Dave Barnhill
William Bell Sr.
Eugene Bemer
Dave Brown
Plunk Drake
Rats Henderson
Bill Holland
Slim Jones
Scrip Lee
Verdel Mathis
Webster McDonald
Terris McDuffy
Henry McHenry
Diomedes Olivo
Andrew Porter
Harry Salmon
Gene Smith
George Stovey
Ted Trent
Stringbean Williams
Laymon Yokely

1946-1968:

Ted Abernathy
Jack Aker
Ewell Blackwell
Bob Buhl
Murry Dickson
Bob Friend
Fred Gladding
Mudcat Grant
Jim Konstanty
Vern Law
Frank Linzy
Don McMahon
Stu Miller
Bobo Newsom
Claude Osteen
Juan Pizarro
Bobby Shantz

1969-1985:

Jack Billingham
Jim Brewer
Mike Caldwell
Bill Campbell
Clay Carroll
Larry Dierker
John Denny
Bob Forsch
Woodie Fryman
Gene Garber
Dave Giusti
Burt Hooton
Dennis Leonard
Greg Minton
Rick Rhoden
Ray Sadecki
Paul Splitorff
Bob Stanley
Mike Torrez
John Tudor
Rick Wise

1986-2007:

Rick Aguilera
Sid Fernandez
Doug Jones
Dan Plesac
Todd Worrell

Active Pitchers:

Armano Benitez
Kelvim Escobar
Shawn Estes
John Garland
Freddy Garcia
Tom Gordon
Eddie Guardado
Mike Hampton
Jason Isringhausen
Todd Jones
John Lieber
Jose Mesa
Kevin Millwood
Matt Morris
Mark Mulder
Russ Ortiz
Chan Ho Park
Mike Timlin
Dave Weathers


Pitchers who have appeared on a Progressive HOF ballot that did not appear on a Phase 1 Ballot:



Pitcher Ballot Year No. Yrs. on Ballot Votes High Pct.

Jim Bagby (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=462&bid=1031) 1928 0 0 0.00%
Rube Benton (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=951&bid=968) 1930 0 0 0.00
Ted Breitenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Breitenstein) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Asa Brainard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Brainard) 1920 VC 1 0 0.00%
Ed Brandt 1943 1 0 0.00%
Lloyd Brown 1945 1 0 0.00%
Ray Caldwell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1198&pid=2002) 1926 2 1 4.00%
Howie Camnitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Camnitz) 1920 1 0 0.00%
Tex Carlton 1945 1 0 0.00%
Kid Carsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Carsey) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Hal Carlson 1935 0 0.00%
Larry Cheney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Cheney) 1924 1 0 0.00%
Rip Collins 1936 0 0.00%
Doc Crandall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=2974&bid=990) 1923 1 0 0.00%
Alvin Crowder 1941 1 0 0.00%
Bert Cunningham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Cunningham) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Red Donahue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Donahue) 1911 1 0 0.00%
Pete Donohue 1937 1 0 0.00%
Frank Dwyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dwyer) 1904 2 1 4.00%
George Earnshaw 1941 1 0 0.00%
Bob Ewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ewing) 1917 1 0 0.00%
Cy Falkenberg (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1711&pid=4258) 1922 1 0 0.00%
Cherokee Fisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Fisher) 1920 VC 1 0 0.00%
Ray Fisher (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1498&pid=4457) 1925 2 1 4.17%
Russ Ford (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1758&pid=4589) 1920 2 1 4.17%
Fred Frankhouse 1944 1 0 0.00%
Chick Fraser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Fraser) 1914 1 0 0.00%
Dolly Gray 1938 1 0 0.00%
Bill Hallahan 1943 1 0 0.00%
Pink Hawley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Hawley) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Oral Hildebrand 1945 1 0 0.00%
Harry Howell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1048&pid=6601) 1915 1 0 0.00%
Tom Hughes (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1795&pid=6692) 1918 1 0 0.00%
Frank Killen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Killen) 1905 1 0 0.00%
Ray Kremer 1938 1 0 0.00%
Left Leifield (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=898&pid=8128) 1925 1 0 0.00%
Pat Malone 1942 1 0 0.00%
Sadie McMahon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadie_McMahon) 1902 1 0 0.00%
Jouett Meekin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouett_Meekin) 1905 1 0 0.00%
Win Mercer (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=402&pid=9535) 1907 1 0 0.00%
George Mogridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mogridge) 1932 1 0 0.00%
Clarence Mitchell 1937 1 0 0.00%
Orval Overall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=914&pid=10775) 1919 2 1 4.17%
Bill Rhines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Rhines) 1904 1 0 0.00%
Eddie Rommell 1937 1 4.00%
Nap Rucker (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=927&pid=12303) 1921 1 0 0.00%
Dick Rudolph (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=886&pid=12306) 1932 1 0 0.00
Reb Russell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1791&pid=12347) 1928 2 2 7.41%
Jim Scott (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1695&pid=12736) 1922 1 0 0.00%
Elmer Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Smith_(19th_century_outfielder)) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Frank Smith (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1698&pid=13223) 1920 1 0 0.00%
Sherry Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherry_Smith) 1932 1 0 0.00%
Tully Sparks (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Tully_Sparks_1874) 1915 1 0 0.00%
Ed Stein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Stein) 1903 1 0 0.00%
Lefty Stewart 1940 1 0 0.00%
Willie Sudhoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sudhoff) 1911 1 0 0.00%
Jeff Tesreau (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=993&pid=14079) 1923 2 1 3.85%
Fred Toney (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=977&pid=14274) 1928 1 0 0.00%
Lefty Tyler (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=881&pid=14425) 1926 1 0 0.00%
Tom Zachary 1941 1 0 0.00%

Player G IP Win-Loss Pct ERA ERA+ WHIP

Jim Bagby 315 1821.7 127 88 .591 3.11 109 1.286
Rube Benton 437 2517.3 150 144 .510 3.09 101 1.265
Ted Breitenstein 379 2964.3 160 170 .485 4.04 109 1.449
Asa Brainard 84 698.7 24 53 .312 4.84 74 1.696
Ray Caldwell 343 2242.0 133 120 .526 3.22 99 1.261
Howie Camnitz 326 2085.3 133 106 .556 2.75 107 1.203
Kid Carsey 256 2222.0 116 138 .457 4.95 85 1.609
Larry Cheney 313 1881.3 116 100 .537 2.70 109 1.293
Doc Crandall 302 1546.7 102 62 .622 2.92 104 1.239
Bert Cunningham 341 2726.7 142 167 .460 4.22 91 1.514
Red Donahue 367 2966.3 164 175 .484 3.61 96 1.370
Frank Dwyer 318 2810.0 176 152 .537 3.85 115 1.447
Bob Ewing 291 2301.0 124 118 .512 2.49 116 1.178
Cy Falkenberg 330 2275.0 130 123 .514 2.68 106 1.222
Cherokee Fisher 165 1319.7 57 84 .404 2.83 107 1.219
Ray Fisher 278 1755.7 100 94 .515 2.82 105 1.223
Russ Ford 199 1487.3 99 71 .582 2.59 124 1.154
Chick Fraser 433 3356.0 175 212 .452 3.68 92 1.428
Pink Hawley 393 3012.7 167 179 .483 3.96 107 1.430
Harry Howell 340 2567.7 131 146 .473 2.74 109 1.212
Tom Hughes 313 2644.0 131 175 .428 3.09 93 1.310
Frank Killen 300 2511.3 164 131 .556 3.78 108 1.414
Lefty Leifield 296 1838.0 124 97 .561 2.47 115 1.212
Sadie McMahon 321 2634.0 173 127 .534 3.51 118 1.394
Jouett Meekin 270 2603.3 153 133 .535 4.07 102 1.494
Win Mercer 298 2470.3 131 164 .444 3.99 106 1.548
George Mogridge 398 2265.7 132 131 .502 3.21 109 1.287
Orval Overall 218 1535.3 108 71 .603 2.23 122 1.161
Bill Rhines 223 1900.0 114 103 .525 3.47 114 1.341
Nap Rucker 336 2375.3 134 134 .500 2.42 119 1.175
Dick Rudolph 297 2049.0 121 108 .528 2.66 105 1.158
Reb Russell 242 1291.7 81 59 .579 2.33 121 1.080
Jim Scott 226 1892.0 107 113 .486 2.30 121 1.180
Elmer Smith 149 1210.3 75 57 .568 3.35 113 1.313
Frank Smith 255 2273.0 139 111 .556 2.59 101 1.166
Sherry Smith 373 2052.7 114 118 .491 3.32 108 1.303
Tully Sparks 313 2335.7 121 136 .471 2.79 104 1.224
Ed Stein 215 1656.0 109 78 .583 3.97 103 1.462
Willie Sudhoff 279 2086.3 103 135 .433 3.56 92 1.338
Jeff Tesreau 247 1679.0 115 72 .615 2.43 114 1.145
Fred Toney 271 2206.0 139 102 .577 2.68 113 1.188
Lefty Tyler 323 2230.0 127 116 .523 2.95 102 1.264

Note: Links to SABR, Baseball Library and Wiki bios are provided
where available.

***Asa Brainard was primarily a pitcher in the late 1860s. Elmer Smith was
primarily a fielder but played several seasons as a pitcher.

Pitchers who just missed the preliminary ballots:



Player Debut Yrs Pct. W L G IP ERA ERA+ WHIP

Andy Benes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Benes) 1989 14 .527 155 139 403 2505.3 3.97 104 1.312
Tiny Bonham (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1127&pid=1282) 1940 10 .589 103 72 193 1551.0 3.06 120 1.153
Al Brazle (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/brazle_al.htm) 1943 10 .602 97 64 441 1376.7 3.31 120 1.365
Danny Darwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Darwin) 1978 21 .484 171 182 371 3016.7 3.84 106 1.268
Frank Dwyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dwyer) 1888 12 .537 176 152 365 2810.0 3.85 115 1.447
Carl Erskine (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1188&pid=4148) 1948 12 .610 122 78 335 1718.7 4.00 101 1.328
Bob Ewing (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=973&pid=4223) 1902 11 .512 291 124 118 2301.0 2.49 116 1.178
Ray Fisher (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1498&pid=4457) 1910 10 .515 100 94 278 1755.7 2.82 105 1.223
Russ Ford (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1758&pid=4589) 1909 7 .582 99 71 199 1487.3 2.59 124 1.154
Chick Fraser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Fraser) 1896 14 .452 175 212 389 3556.0 3.68 92 1.428
Don Gullett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gullett) 1970 9 .686 109 50 266 1390.0 3.11 113 1.227
Larry Gura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gura) 1970 16 .565 126 97 403 2047.0 3.97 106 1.280
Tex Hughson (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/hughson_tex.htm) 1941 8 .640 96 54 225 1375.7 2.94 125 1.194
Ed Killian (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1732&pid=7499) 1903 8 .567 102 78 180 1598.3 2.38 109 1.217
Ray Kremer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kremer) 1924 10 .627 143 85 247 1954.7 3.76 113 1.326
Max Lanier (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/lanier_max.htm) 1938 14 .568 108 82 204 1619.3 3.01 125 1.297
Lefty Leifield (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=898&pid=8128) 1905 12 .561 124 97 296 1838.0 2.47 115 1.212
Carl Lundgren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lundgren) 1902 8 .623 91 55 179 1322.0 2.42 112 1.214
Jon Matlack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Matlack) 1971 13 .498 125 126 361 2363.0 3.18 114 1.233
Rudy May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_May) 1965 16 .494 152 156 535 2622.0 3.46 102 1.248
Scott McGregor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_McGregor_(baseball)) 1976 13 .561 138 108 356 2140.7 3.99 98 1.291
Dave McNally (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_McNally) 1962 14 .607 184 119 424 2730.0 3.24 106 1.214
Lee Meadows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Meadows) 1915 15 .511 188 180 490 3160.7 3.37 106 1.340
George McQuillan (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=942&pid=9428) 1907 10 .489 85 89 173 1576.3 2.38 113 1.131
Gary Nolan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Nolan_(baseball)) 1967 10 .611 110 70 250 1674.7 3.08 117 1.145
Orval Overall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=914&pid=10775) 1905 7 .603 108 71 218 1535.3 2.23 122 1.161
Monte Pearson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Pearson) 1932 10 .621 100 61 191 1429.7 4.00 111 1.491
Jake Peavy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Peavy) 2002 7 .581 86 62 199 1261.0 3.25 121 1.180
Jack Pfeister (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=915&pid=11173) 1903 8 .617 71 44 149 1067.3 2.02 127 1.089
Eddie Rommell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Rommel) 1920 13 .590 171 119 500 2556.3 3.54 121 1.351
Nap Rucker (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=927&pid=12303) 1907 10 .500 134 134 272 2375.3 2.42 119 1.175
Reb Russell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1791&pid=12347) 1913 7 .579 81 59 242 1291.7 2.33 121 1.080
Babe Ruth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth) 1914 10 .671 94 46 163 1221.3 2.28 122 1.159
Jim Scott (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1695&pid=12736) 1909 9 .486 107 113 226 1892.0 2.30 121 1.180
Mike Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Scott_(baseball)) 1979 13 .534 124 108 347 2068.7 3.54 100 1.201
Jeff Tesreau (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=993&pid=14079) 1912 7 .615 115 72 206 1679.0 2.43 114 1.145
Fred Toney (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=14274&bid=977) 1911 12 .577 139 102 271 2206.0 2.69 113 1.188
Jake Weimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Weimer) 1903 7 .584 97 69 191 1472.7 2.23 125 1.168
Tom Zachary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Zachary) 1918 19 .493 186 191 533 3126.3 3.73 106 1.437

Note: Links to player bios at SABR (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=l&m=59), Baseball in Wartime, (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/player_biographies.htm) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/)
are provided.


Phase 2 Winners:

Pre-1893, 1893-1919 Tier 1:

Mordecai Brown
John Clarkson
Tim Keefe
Christy Matthewson
Kid Nichols
Eddie Plank
Amos Rusie
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Cy Young

1920-1945, Pre NeL and NeL Tier 1:

Pete Alexander
Dizzy Dean
Lefty Gomez
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Walter Johnson
Satchel Paige
Bullet Joe Rogan
Dazzy Vance
Smoky Joe Williams

1946-1985 Tier 1:

Steve Carlton
Bob Feller
Bob Gibson
Sandy Koufax
Juan Marichal
Phil Neikro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Robin Roberts
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn

1986-Present Tier 1:

Bert Blyleven
Roger Clemens
Dennis Eckersley
Tom Glavine
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Mariano Rivera
Nolan Ryan
John Smoltz

Pre-1946 incl. NeL Tier 2:

Chief Bender
Mordecai Brown
Bob Caruthers
John Clarkson
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Wes Ferrell
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Joe McGinnity
Eddie Plank
Charley Radbourne
Bullet Joe Rogan
Red Ruffing
Amos Rusie
Dazzy Vance
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh

1946-Present Tier 2:

Bert Blyleven
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Whitey Ford
Tom Glavine
Fergie Jenkins
Bob Lemon
Juan Marichal
Mike Mussina
Phil Neikro
Hal Newhouser
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Mariano Rivera
Robin Roberts
Curt Schilling
John Smoltz
Don Sutton
Hoyt Wilhelm

Pre-1946 Tier 3:

Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Red Faber
Wes Ferrell
Rube Foster
Pud Galvin
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Addie Joss
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Joe McGinnity
Charley Radbourne
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Amos Rusie
Al Spalding
Rube Waddell
Vic Willis

1946-Present Tier 3:

Kevin Brown
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Rollie Fingers
Goose Gossage
Ron Guidry
Trevor Hoffman
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Bob Lemon
Mike Mussina
Don Newcombe
Dan Quisenberry
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant Jr.
Early Wynn

Tier 3 Runoff:

Kevin Brown
Red Faber
Rube Foster
Ron Guidry
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Red Ruffing

Pre-1946 Tier 4:

Chief Bender
Ray Brown
Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Wilbur Cooper
Martin DiHigo
Red Faber
Bill Foster
Clark Griffith
Burleigh Grimes
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Jim McCormick
Jose Mendez
Tony Mullane
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Urban Shocker
Al Spalding
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch
Vic Willis
Smoky Joe Wood

1946-Present Tier 4:

Vide Blue
Kevin Brown
David Cone
Rollie Fingers
Roy Halladay
Trevor Hoffman
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt
Billy Pierce
Dan Quisenberry
Brett Saberhagen
Johan Santana
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Bruce Sutter
Luis Tiant Jr.
Billy Wagner

Tier 4 Runoff:

Lefty Gomez
Catfish Hunter
Jose Mendez
Tony Mullane
Dan Quisenberry
Brett Saberhagen
Luis Tiant Jr.
Vic Willis

Pre-1946 Tier 5:

Chief Bender
Ray Brown
Tommy Bridges
Wilbur Cooper
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
Clark Griffith
Burleigh Grimes
Waite Hoyt
Silver King
Jim McCormick
Herb Pennock
Deacon Phillippe
Cannonball Dick Redding
Urban Shocker
Hilton Smith
Hippo Vaughn
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch
Smoky Joe Wood

1946-Present Tier 5:

Vida Blue
David Cone
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Roy Halladay
Orel Hershiser
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jimmy Key
Jerry Koosman
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Brett Saberhagen
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Luis Tiant Jr.
Virgil Trucks
Billy Wagner

Tier 5 Runoff:

Vida Blue
John Franco
Clark Griffith
Doc Gooden
Burleigh Grimes
Jimmy Key
Roy Oswalt
Cannonball Dick Redding

Tier 6 Also Rans Winners:

Babe Adams
Kevin Appier
Sam Leever
Dolf Luque
Jamie Moyer
Jack Quinn
Allie Reynolds
Jose Rijo
Lon Warneke

Tier 6 Runoff:

Ray Brown
Sparky Lyle
Dennis Martinez
Jack Quinn
Ed Reulbach
Billy Wagner

Tier 8 Runoff:

Charlie Buffinton
Andy Cooper
Bill Dinneen
John Donaldson
Bill Jackman
Ed Reulbach
J.R. Richard
Preacher Roe
Steve Rogers
Fernando Valenzuela
John Ward
Carlos Zambrano

Top Pitchers who were not on a Preliminary Ballot Tier 9,10:

Max Lanier
Dave McNally
Orval Overall
Eddie Rommell
Nap Rucker
Babe Ruth

Pre-1946 incl. NeL Tier 9:

Mort Cooper
Paul Derringer
Noodles Hahn
Mel Harder
Dick McBride
Charlie Root
Bob Shawkey
Jack Stivetts
George Uhle
Doc White

1946-Present Tier 9:

Lew Burdette
Mike Cuellar
Doug Drabek
Chuck Finley
Mark Langston
Al Leiter
Lindy McDaniel
Sam McDowell
Andy Messersmith
Joe Niekro
Mel Stottlemyre
Kent Tekulve
Frank Viola

Tier 9 Runoff:

Mel Harder
John Hiller
Double Duty Radcliffe
Kenny Rogers


The Final Tiers:

Tier 1:

Pete Alexander
Steve Carlton
Roger Clemens
Bob Feller
Bob Gibson
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Randy Johnson
Walter Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Christy Matthewson
Kid Nichols
Satchel Paige
Nolan Ryan
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn
Smoky Joe Williams
Cy Young

Tier 2:

Bert Blyleven
Mordecai Brown
John Clarkson
Whitey Ford
Tom Glavine
Fergie Jenkins
Tim Keefe
Juan Marichal
Phil Niekro
Hal Newhouser
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Eddie Plank
Mariano Rivera
Robin Roberts
Bullet Joe Rogan
John Smoltz
Dazzy Vance
Ed Walsh
Hoyt Wilhem

Tier 3:

Jim Bunning
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Wes Ferrell
Rube Foster*
Pud Galvin
Goose Gossage
Ron Guidry*
Bob Lemon
Ted Lyons
Joe McGinnity
Mike Mussina
Charley Radbourne
Amos Rusie
Curt Schilling
Don Sutton
Rube Waddell
Early Wynn

Tier 4:

Kevin Brown
Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Red Faber
Rollie Fingers
Bill Foster
Lefty Gomez*
Trevor Hoffman
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez*
Tony Mullane*
Billy Pierce
Dan Quisenberry*
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Johan Santana
Al Spalding
Bruce Sutter
Vic Willis*

Tier 5:

Chief Bender
David Cone
Wilbur Cooper
Burleigh Grimes*
Roy Halladay
Orel Hershiser
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt*
Cannonball Dick Redding*
Brett Saberhagen
Urban Shocker
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Luis Tiant Jr.
Bucky Walters
Smoky Joe Wood

Tier 6:

Babe Adams
Vida Blue
Tommy Bridges
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Clark Griffith
Waite Hoyt
Jimmy Key
Jerry Koosman
Dolf Luque
Dennis Martinez*
Jim McCormick
Jack Quinn*
Allie Reynolds
Hippo Vaughn
Billy Wagner*
Lon Warneke
Mickey Welch

Tier 7:

Kevin Appier
Tommy Bond
Ray Brown
Tim Hudson
Dutch Leonard
Mickey Lolich
Sparky Lyle
Sal Maglie
Jamie Moyer
Herb Pennock
Andy Pettitte
Deacon Phillippe
Rick Reuschel
Jose Rijo
C.C. Sabathia
Frank Tanana
Luis Tiant Sr.
Dizzy Trout
Virgil Trucks
David Wells

Tier 8:

Harry Brecheen
Jack Chesbro
Andy Cooper*
Bill Dinneen*
Tom Henke
Silver King
Sam Leever
Mike Marshall
Tug McGraw
Milt Pappas
Ed Reulbach*
J.R. Richard*
Preacher Roe*
Steve Rogers*
Schoolboy Rowe
Johnny Sain
Hilton Smith
Jesse Tannehill
Fernando Valenzuela*
Wilbur Wood

Tier 9:

Lew Burdette
Mike Cuellar
John Donaldson
Roy Face
Chuck Finley
Noodles Hahn
Mel Harder*
Jesse Haines
Al Leiter
Rube Marquard
Sam McDowell
Dave McNally
Mel Parnell
Jim Perry
Johnny Podres
Babe Ruth
Bob Shawkey
Dave Stewart
Kent Tekulve
Frank Viola

Tier 10:

Mort Cooper
Candy Cummings
Paul Derringer
John Hiller
Charlie Hough
Bill Jackman
Mark Langston
Max Lanier
Firpo Marberry
Denny McLain
Andy Messersmith
Joe Niekro
Camillo Pascual
Kenny Rogers
Nap Rucker*
Mario Soto
Mel Stottlemyre
George Uhle*
John Wetteland
Doc White

* Runoff winners

Untiered Preliminary Round Winners:

Larry Corcoran
John Ward @
Nip Winters

@ Member of the Hall of Fame

[jjpm74]

I have decided against going forward with a phase 3 for this project. This will be the final round. At its conclusion, this project will be over unless someone else is interested in picking up with a more rigid ranking of the tiers.

[Paul Wendt]

DERA+ and ERA+ are two indexes of pitching performance (average=100); they use different methods for isolating pitching from team fielding. Here are my versions that incorporate batting performance.

DERA* and ERA* (two indexes for net pitching-batting, average=100)
123.4 117.8 Rucker
118.5 116.0 Buffinton
117.4 133.3 Chandler
115.9 120.2 Rommel
109.9 109.0 Uhle
109.0 118.3 Lopat
108.9 111.5 Jackson
107.1 104.2 Mathews (~5000 inns)
106.1 107.1 McDaniel
105.2 104.8 Vander Meer
103.1 101.5 Drabek
102.9 120.8 Ward
102.4 123.7 Corcoran

The difference between those two ratings represents the difference between Clay Davenport's estimates of team fielding responsibility and the official statistic, unearned runs. Chandler, Ward, and Corcoran stand out with very high ERA* (column two) because they enjoyed all-time great team fielding support. Chandler toiled for the Yankees dynasty during Joe Gordon's heyday including Phil Rizzuto's first four seasons. Ward and Corcoran played for the best teams of the early 1880s, Providence and Chicago.

The difference between ERA* and the familiar ERA+ represents the contribution of pitcher batting. This ballot features one of the all-time best batting pitchers, George Uhle. He achieved career OPS+ 86 and played more than 200 games as a pinch-batter or pinch-runner. His batting skill was worth about four points on the ERA+ scale, relative to average pitcher batting in his time and given his own pitching skill. For pitching alone he rates 105 and 106 by ERA+ and DERA+ but he rates about 109 and 110 for net pitching-batting (above, in inverse order).

This chart displays everyone on the ballot according to the approximate value of his batting on the ERA+ scale.



George Uhle (one of the best)

------ ------ +3.5 points



------ ------ +2.5 points
Lopat

Ward*
------ ------ +1.5 points on the ERA+ scale
Chandler
Buffinton
Drabek
------ ------ +0.5 points
Corcoran*


------ ------ -0.5 points
Rommel
Rucker
Jackson
------ ------ -1.5 points on the ERA+ scale
McDaniel

Vander Meer
------ ------ -2.5 points
Mathews*


------ ------ -3.5 points


*Major league teams used only one or two primary pitchers in Mathews, Ward, and Corcoran's day, so average pitcher batting would be a highly variable benchmark. Here i have used the estimate "a little better than Buffinton's day" and for Buffinton i have used "a little better than the 1890s". From the 1890s to 1990s there is a reasonably good down-sloping straight line estimate of average pitcher batting.

[bambambaseball]

Nap Rucker is the best person on this list. Larry Corcoran and George Uhle are also very good. What makes Ed Rommel stand out?

[jjpm74]

Nap Rucker is the best person on this list. Larry Corcoran and George Uhle are also very good. What makes Ed Rommel stand out?

I'm assuming part of the reason Rommel made it to the runoff at the very least is his role in developing the knuckleball.

[Paul Wendt]

Pitching, with or without the incorporation of batting.
See #4 where Rucker stands out; then Buffinton, Chandler, and Rommel stand out.

Chandler didn't pitch enough.
Among those in the background Uhle and Jackson pitched more than 3000 innings, the pioneer professional Mathews pitched almost 5000 in our usual major leagues alone. That is enough to earn consideration for all three with Rommel and Buffinton.

(By my favorite quantitative combination of quantity and quality, or combinations plural because there is "play" in the parameters, Buffinton and Mathews are the true standouts.

--
Regarding the World Series and other playoff achievements: pennants came to their prime teams too late and too early for most of the pitchers on this ballot. Chandler and Lopat cashed the checks, working for the McCarthy and Stengel Yankees respectively. They were very good players, better than Allie Reynolds, but not really close to earning votes here. Drabek enjoyed good chances with the Bonds Pirates in the 1990s. He pitched well but (seven starts 2.05) but he isn't in the ballpark here.

George Uhle worked three innings in the 1920 Series, one hit, no walks. He finished 3-0 and 2-1 defeats in Brooklyn whereby the Robins/Dodgers took a 2-1 lead in games, but he did not appear during the following four-game sweep in Cleveland. (October 9-12, Coveleski wnning the finale 3-0 after two days off)

Cleveland used only five pitchers in seven games, with merely three innings from young Uhle and 1/3 inning by Ray Caldwell. Does everyone know John Walter "Duster" Mails or "The Great Mails"? (Not I.) He failed with Brooklyn in 1915-16, returned to the majors with Cleveland in 1920: six complete games, w-l 7-0 in a pennant race to the finish. With only one out in game three he replaced ray Caldwell and shut out the Brooklyns thru seven (Uhle finished). Four days later he returned with a complete 1-0 win in game six. That is 15-2/3 shutout innings. In 1920 and 1921 he worked 250 innings total, w-l 21-8 with 16 cg and 4 sho. Otherwise he worked 250 innings with ERA+ in the 70s.

[J W]

Perhaps it's not just one thing that stands out for Rommel for me, but his career as a whole. It just compares favorably to the rest. A good number of wins (171), a good win% (.590), and a solid ERA+ (121). Four top-ten finishes in WHIP. 108th in Black Ink, 140th in Gray Ink. Also 182 games finished and 29 career saves.

Anyways, there are a good five-six pitchers on this list that should be in the top 200... but there are always going to be snubs. I actually think Lopat could be a top 200 pitcher over Reynolds, like Paul states (not so much Chandler). I'm not even going over DERA+ like Paul, but I'm arriving at many of the same conclusions as him.

Eddie Rommel and George Uhle are my votes. Rucker's a good choice too.

[J W]

After a quick look at the results, there are four pitchers with multiple votes, looking for two spots. Here they are, all solid selections, in chronological order with my main criteria:

Larry Corcoran (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/corcola01.shtml) (1880-1887)
177-89 (.665), 10001 BFP, 123 ERA+, Top-Ten WHIP x5, 123rd in Gray Ink

Nap Rucker (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruckena01.shtml) (1907-1916)
134-134 (.500), 9625 BFP, 119 ERA+, Top-Ten WHIP x4, 146th in Gray Ink

George Uhle (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruckena01.shtml) (1919-1936)
200-166 (.546), 13639 BFP, 105 ERA+, Top-Ten WHIP x4, 157th in Gray Ink

Eddie Rommel (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rommeed01.shtml) (1920-1932)
171-119 (.590), 10873 BFP, 121 ERA+, Top-Ten WHIP x4, 140th in Gray Ink

...Uhle actually looks worst on this particular list but I give him credit for longevity as well as his pitching enviromnent. His lgERA's were consistently over 4.00 and reached as high as 4.79 in a full season (Detroit, 1930). His career WHIP (1.405) appears very high but he still finished top ten in his league four times. In 1925 he posted his career average in WHIP (1.405) and finished 9th in the AL.

[bambambaseball]

Its too bad we cant take all 4 of them and give Joe Neikro and Denny McLain the boot.

[jjpm74]

We are at the half way point and could really use more ballots to help break the Corcoran/Uhle tie for 2nd. We barely have 1 pitcher with a minimum quorum in Nap Rucker. It'd be a shame to see this project fall short 1 pitcher.

[J W]

I think considering we have 199 pitchers in that you can take executive action on the very last one...

Thanks very much for running a project so deep; I've learned a TON about the performance of a great number of good-not-great pitchers over the history of baseball. Also I've learned a bit about where some modern pitchers stand in the overall pitcure.

I for one will keep this list of 200 on the back burner. I think we can do something with it in the future. In fact I have some thoughts about what I'd want to do with it.

[J W]

Its too bad we cant take all 4 of them and give Joe Neikro and Denny McLain the boot.

I'll sign that petition! :laugh

[jjpm74]

I've also enjoyed learning more about all these pitchers and getting a better sense of where they stand. If #2 and #3 end in a tie we will have 201 pitchers. No big deal.

If anyone is interested in using the tiers for another project or trying to figure out a way to more rigidly rank them, feel free. I've decided against doing a phase 3 as I feel it would peter out once we got past #40 or so.

[bambambaseball]

Its a bummer that your not gonna do the more rigid ranking. I was hoping we would. I guess though that you are right that people probably wouldnt want to do it up to #200. :sorry:

[jjpm74]

With voting going down to the wire, #199 ends up being Nap Rucker and George Uhle wins out as #200. Thanks to all who participated. I will update post #2 to reflect who the final 2 tier 10 guys are. Use this thread as a reference point to all the other threads associated with this project and if anyone wants to do anything with the info gathered in this project, or set up spin off projects, feel free.

[Paul Wendt]

Rucker and Uhle. That is a good result.
Happy New Year!
Thanks to all who participated. I will update post #2 to reflect who the final 2 tier 10 guys are. Use this thread as a reference point to all the other threads associated with this project.
The links to Tier 10 final and Tier 9 runoff are broken by the double prefix 'http://http://'

[jjpm74]

Fixed. Thanks!

[Paul Wendt]

add: The material presented in #19-21 needs four dimensions such as up, down, size, and color. Probably it was not worth continuing in this format. Be Warned.
abandon

I'm assuming part of the reason Rommel made it to the runoff at the very least is his role in developing the knuckleball.
Bill James ranked Rommel #85 in the New BJHBA (1st ed., 2001) where he did not generally give much consideration to such contributions.

Along the same lines Connie Mack made Rommel a mainly-relief pitcher during the late 1920s. The role was not pioneering, nor was it pioneering by contemporary league-mate Firpo Marberry (managed by Clark Griffith and Bucky Harris). Rommel and Marberry were better pitchers than predecessors who worked mainly off the bench but they were part of a continuous development from the mid-aughts at latest.

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How may we think about this loosely ordered list of 200 in comparison with the strictly ordered list of 100 pitchers that Bill James published in the New BJHBA?

The first edition New BJHBA reports losing a list of the second hundred shortly before publication, too late to restore in any fashion. So that edition rank-lists 125 players at eight positions and 100 at pitcher, despite the greater number of pitchers on every competitive team since the early 1880s.

One way to begin is by counting. In the all-time rankings by fielding position James did not consider players from the Negro Leagues. In some sense or two he "shorted" those who played before 1890 or 1900 and those who played after 1990 or 2000. The phase one polls in this series isolated the "Negro Leagues" pitchers (isolated in the fourth of eight polls), those who worked mainly before the pitcher's rubber and 60'6" distance (in the first), and those who were active during 2008 (in the last). The seventh of eight phase one polls covered pitchers who last played from about 1990 to 2007, which is a mixed bag in relation to the Bill James rankings: more than half of them had retired before he "closed the book" but others accomplished a lot during the 20-aughts.

OK, start counting.

Tier ML BJ (note on James ranking of this tier) . . . (Negro Leagues count and list)
1 : 18 18 (Johnson #1 to Johnson #49; all of this tier) ; 2 (Paige, Williams)
2 : 19 18 (Roberts #16 to 87; all of this tier but Rivera, including active Glavine 60 and Smoltz 87) ; 1 (Rogan)
3 : 19 16 (Dean #25 to #66; all of this tier but Galvin, Schilling, Mussina) ; 1 (Foster)
4 : 18 14 (Mays #38 to 86; all of this tier but Spalding, Fingers, Hoffmann, Santana) ; 2 (Foster, Mendez)
5 : 19 14 (Newcombe #46 to #98; all of this tier but Bender, Morris, Lee Smith, Halladay, Oswalt) ; 1 (Redding)
6 : 18, 9 (Warneke #44 to #96) ; 2 (Day, Dihigo)
7 : 18, 4 (Trucks #61, Lolich, Reuschel, Bond) ; 2 (Brown, Tiant Senior)
8 : 18, 1 (Tannehill #99) ; 2 (Cooper, Smith)
9 : 19, 3 (Harder #92, Shawkey 95, Parnell 100) ; 1 (Donaldson)
10: 19, 1 (Uhle #91) ; 1 (Jackman)

start summing. That is
200 pitchers in ten Tiers including
185 from the major leagues 1871 to date . . . 15 from the "Negro Leagues" (named), of which the 185 include
: 98 from the Bill James top 100 (all but Eddie Rommel #85 and Larry Jackson #89

For each Tier 1 to 10 (column one) that table gives the number of major league pitchers (column two) and the number of those from the Bill James top hundred (column three) with some explanation of comparative coverage in parentheses. I hope that the explanatory notes need no general explanation.

Tier NeL -> ML : distribution of this Tier in Bill James top hundred (number 1 to 10, 11 to 20, etc)
Tier1 : 2 -> 18 :10 5 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 (18), namely #1-15 plus N.Ryan, P.Martinez, R.Johnson
Tier2 : 1 -> 19 : 0 5 5 4 1 2 0 0 1 0 (18) plus M.Rivera
Tier3 : 1 -> 19 : 0 0 3 5 5 2 1 0 0 0 (16) plus J.Galvin, C.Schilling, M.Mussina
Tier4 : 2 -> 18 : 0 0 0 1 1 4 2 3 3 0 (14) plus A.Spalding, R.Fingers, T.Hoffman, J.Santana (4)
Tier5 : 1 -> 19 : 0 0 0 0 1 2 5 3 1 2 (14) plus C.Bender, J.Morris, L.Smith, R.Halladay, R.Oswalt (5)
Tier6 : 2 -> 18 : 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 3 2 2 (9) plus J.McCormick, M.Welch, J.Quinn, A.Reynolds, J.Koosman, D.Martinez, J.Key, J.Franco, B.Wagner (9)
Tier7 : 2 -> 18 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 (4) plus many inclg Moyer, Pettitte, Hudson, Sabathia
Tier8 : 2 -> 18 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 (1) plus 17 with finales 1897-1997
Tier9 : 1 -> 19 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 (3) plus 16 with finales 1906 to A.Leiter
Tier10: 1 -> 19 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 * 1 (1) plus many inclg K.Rogers

* column sum = 8. Two pitchers ranked in the Bill James hundred were not tiered here: Eddie Rommel #85 and Larry Jackson #89.

to be continued

[Paul Wendt]

The outstanding point of comparison between our group and Bill James is we "dislike" and he "likes" pitchers from phase one, round three (italics). Those are the major league pitchers who enjoyed their last good seasons during "1921-1945", contemporary to the formal Negro Leagues. We put "only" 33 of those pitchers in our 200 whereas James put 26 in his hundred.

nTiers = number in our top 200
nBJ = number in BJ top 100 (New BJHBA, 1st ed.)

by Phase One poll,
size: nTiers; nBJ match?
1 38 : 12 ; 6, all among the 12 in our top 200
2 42 : 25 ; 16, all among the 25
3 54 : 33 ; 26, all among the 33 (or 27 including Eddie Rommel, not in our Phase One)
4 51 : 15 ; 0 (pre- and Negro Leagues, not ranked by Bill James)
5 62 : 33 ; 18, Larry Jackson plus 17 among the 33
6 56 : 29 ; 16, alll among the 29
7 48 : 32 ; 12, all among the 32
8 46 : 17 ; 5 , all among the 17 (active)
none : 4 ; 1, Eddie Rommel (not in Phase One)
sum
397 ; 196; 99, or Larry Jackson plus 98 among the 196

The four "tiered" pitchers who were not in Phase One are Babe Ruth, Dave McNally (two in Tier 9), Nap Rucker, and Max Lanier (two in Tier 10). Two other "overlooked" pitchers qualified for Tier 9 and 10 elections, Eddie Rommel and Orval Overall.

[Paul Wendt]

phase one : size : distribution in Tiers
pre - 1893 : 38 : 0 2 2 3 0 2 1 1 0 1 = 12 (so 12 of 38 have been tiered)
1893-1919 : 42 : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 5 2 1 = 25
1920-1945 : 54 : 4 1 4 5 4 6 1 1 3 4 = 33
Negro Lgs : 51 : 2 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 1 = 15 ("Negro Leagues")
1946-1968 : 62 : 4 5 4 1 1 1 4 4 6 3 = 33
1969-1985 : 56 : 2 4 2 2 4 2 3 5 2 3 = 29
1986-2007 : 48 : 2 1 3 2 6 4 4 2 4 4 = 32
active2008 : 46 : 3 3 1 2 2 1 4 0 0 1 = 17

blue marks the Tier of the 10th pitcher from this poll
brown marks the Tier of the 20th pitcher from this poll