Top 100 (now 200) Pitchers Phase 2 Tier 9 Round 1:Top Pitchers not on a Prelim Ballot

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These are the pitchers who just missed the final cut for appearing on a preliminary ballot. Links to their bios and stats can be found in post 2 of this thread. The top 5 (or more in the event of ties) will appear on both the tier 9 and tier 10 final ballot. We will not be drawing from this group more than once. This is a vote for 5!

Andy Benes
Tiny Bonham
Al Brazle
Danny Darwin
Frank Dwyer
Carl Erskine
Bob Ewing
Ray Fisher
Russ Ford
Chick Fraser
Don Gullett
Larry Gura
Pink Hawley
Tex Hugson
Ed Killian
Ray Kremer
Max Lanier
Lefty Leifield
Carl Lundgren
Jon Matlack
Rudy May
Scott McGregor
Dave McNally
George McQuillan
Lee Meadows
Gary Nolan
Orval Overall
Monte Pearson
Jack Peavy
Jack Pfeister
Eddie Rommell
Nap Rucker
Reb Russell
Babe Ruth (Please only consider his pitching career)
Jim Scott
Mike Scott
Jeff Tesreau
Fred Toney
Jake Weimer
Tom Zachary

Please vote for 5!

*Please note: Quorum for this poll is 10 valid ballots cast and no pitcher will advance with less than 5 votes cast in their favor.

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Links to preliminary rounds and related projects:

Phase 1 Threads:

Pre-1893 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78102)
1893-1919 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78755)
1920-1945 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79250)
NeL and Pre-NeL (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79656)
1946-1968 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79664)
1969-1985 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80460)
1986-2007 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80845)
Active Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81263)

Phase 2 Threads:

Tier 1 Round 1: Pre-1893, 1919 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81666)
Tier 1 Round 2: 1919-1945, NeL/Pre-NeL (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81856)
Tier 1 Round 3: 1946-1985 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82095)
Tier 1 Round 4: 1986-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?p=1288021)
Tier 1 Round 5: Choosing Tier 1 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82535)
Tier 2 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82737)
Tier 2 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83037)
Tier 2 Round 3: Choosing Tier 2 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83275)
Tier 3 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83375)
Tier 3 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83474)
Tier 3 Round 3: Choosing Tier 3 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83606)
Tier 3 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83750)
Tier 4 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83906)
Tier 4 Round 2: 1946-Present (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83997)
Tier 4 Round 3: Choosing Tier 4 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84112)
Tier 4 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84219)
Tier 5 Round 1: Pre-1946 Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84297)
Tier 5 Round 2: 1946-Present Pitchers (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84399)
Tier 5 Round 3: Choosing Tier 5 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84469)
Tier 5 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84555)
Tier 6 Round 1: Top Also Rans (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84646)
Tier 6 Round 2: Choosing Tier 6 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84752)
Tier 6 Runoff (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84833)
Tier 7 Round 1: Choosing Tier 7 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84921)
Tier 8 Round 1: Choosing Tier 8 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85018)
Tier 8 Runoff (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85097)
Tier 9 Round 1: Top Pitchers who were not on a Preliminary Ballot (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85166)


Paul Wendt's Also Ran spin off project:

Phase 1:

1A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83799)
1B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83842)
1C (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83841)
1D (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83898)
1E (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84027)
1F (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84152)
1G (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84177)
1H (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84322)
1I (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85238)

Phase 2:

2A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83908)
2B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84369)
2C (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84603)
2D (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85266)

Phase 3:

3A (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84285)
3B (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84862)


Phase 1 Winners:
Pre-1893:

Tommy Bond
Bob Caruthers
John Clarkson
Larry Corcoran
Candy Cummings
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
Sliver King
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Tony Mullane
Charley Radbourne
Al Spalding
John Ward
Mickey Welch

1894-1919:

Chief Bender
Mordecai Brown
Jack Chesbro
Eddie Ciccotte
Clark Griffith
Addie Joss
Rube Marquard
Christy Mathewson
Joe McGinnity
Kid Nichols
Deacon Phillippe
Eddie Plank
Ed Reulbach
Amos Rusie
Jesse Tannehill
Hippo Vaughn
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Vic Willis
Smoky Joe Wood
Cy Young

1920-1945:

Pete Alexander
Tommy Bridges
Wilbur Cooper
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Red Faber
Wes Ferrell
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Waite Hoyt
Walter Johnson
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Herb Pennock
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Urban Shocker
Dazzy Vance
Bucky Walters

NeL and Pre-NeL:

Ray Brown
Andy Cooper
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
John Donaldson
Bill Foster
Rube Foster
Bill Jackman
Jose Mendez
Satchel Paige
Cannonball Dick Redding
Bullet Joe Rogan
Hilton Smith
Luis Tiant Sr.
Smoky Joe Williams
Nip Winters

1946-1968:

Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Bob Feller
Whitey Ford
Bob Gibson
Sandy Koufax
Bob Lemon
Dutch Leonard
Sal Maglie
Juan Marichal
Denny McLain
Don Newcombe
Hal Newhouser
Billy Pierce
Robin Roberts
Johnny Sain
Warren Spahn
Dizzy Trout
Virgil Trucks
Hoyt Wilhelm
Early Wynn

1969-1985:

Vida Blue
Steve Carlton
Rollie Fingers
Ron Guidry
Catfish Hunter
Fergie Jenkins
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jerry Koosman
Mickey Lolich
Sparky Lyle
Tug McGraw
Phil Neikro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Dan Quisenberry
Rick Reuschel
Tom Seaver
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant Jr.
Wilbur Wood

1986-2007:

Bert Blyleven
Kevin Brown
Roger Clemens
David Cone
Dennis Eckersley
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Goose Gossage
Tom Henke
Orel Hershiser
Jimmy Key
Dennis Martinez
Jack Morris
Nolan Ryan
Brett Saberhagen
Curt Schilling
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Bruce Sutter
Frank Tanana
Fernando Valenzuela
David Wells

Active Pitchers:

Tom Glavine
Roy Halladay
Trevor Hoffman
Tim Hudson
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Mike Mussina
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
C.C. Sabathia
Johan Santana
John Smoltz
Billy Wagner

Phase 1 losers who received at least 1 vote in the preliminary rounds:
Pre-1893:

Player Votes Pct

Charlie Buffinton 8 38.10%
Will White 8 38.10%
Jim Creighton 6 28.57%
Kid Gleason 6 28.57%
Dick McBride 4 19.05%
Fred Goldsmith 4 19.05%
Bill Hutchison 4 19.05%
Guy Hecker 3 14.29%
Dave Foutz 3 14.29%
Jim Whitney 3 14.29%
Ed Morris 2 9.52%
George Bradley 2 9.52%
Matt Kilroy 2 9.52%
Elton Chamberlain 1 4.76%
Harry Staley 1 4.76%

1893-1919:

Player Votes Pct

Bill Dinneen 4 20.00%
Sam Leever 4 20.00%
Noodles Hahn 3 15.00%
Red Ames 3 15.00%
Jack Taylor 3 15.00%
Doc White 3 15.00%
Jack Coombs 2 10.00%
Jack Stivetts 2 10.00%
Gus Weyhing 2 10.00%
Nig Cuppy 1 5.00%
Dummy Taylor 1 5.00%

1920-1945:

Player Votes Pct

Babe Adams 5 26.32%
Jack Quinn 5 26.32%
Lon Warneke 5 26.32%
Jesse Haines 4 21.05%
Spud Chandler 4 21.05%
Dolf Luque 4 21.05%
Schoolboy Rowe 4 21.05%
Mel Harder 3 15.79%
Johnny Van Der Meer 3 15.79%
Bullet Joe Bush 2 10.53%
Mort Cooper 2 10.53%
Charlie Root 2 10.53%
George Uhle 2 10.53%
Rube Walberg 2 10.53%
Jesse Barnes 1 5.26%
Paul Derringer 1 5.26%
Dutch Ruether 1 5.26%
Bob Shawkey 1 5.26%
Earl Whitehill 1 5.26%

NeL and Pre-NeL:

Player Votes Pct

Chet Brewer 4 30.77%
Dizzy Dismukes 3 23.08%
Double Duty Radcliff 3 23.08%
Harry Buckner 2 15.38%
Dan McClellan 2 15.38%
Walter Ball 1 7.69%
Dan Bankhead 1 7.69%
Bill Byrd 1 7.69%
Phil Cockrel 1 7.69%
Bob Griffith 1 7.69%
Max Manning 1 7.69%
Leroy Malock 1 7.69%
Frank Wickware 1 7.69%

1946-1968:

Player Votes Pct

Harry Brecheen 4 20.00%
Roy Face 4 20.00%
Milt Pappas 4 20.00%
Johnny Podres 4 20.00%
Allie Reynolds 4 20.00%
Preacher Roe 4 20.00%
Curt Simmons 4 20.00%
Lew Burdette 3 15.00%
Don Larsen 3 15.00%
Jim Maloney 3 15.00%
Sam McDowell 3 15.00%
Vic Raschi 3 15.00%
Mel Stottlemyre 3 15.00%
Mike Garcia 2 10.00%
Larry Jackson 2 10.00%
Ed Lopat 2 10.00%
Lindy McDaniel 2 10.00%
Harvey Haddix 1 5.00%
Clem Labine 1 5.00%
Joe Nuxhall 1 5.00%

1969-1985:

Player Votes Pct

John Hiller 5 22.73%
Mike Marshall 5 22.73%
J.R. Richard 5 22.73%
Steve Rogers 5 22.73%
Kent Tekulve 3 13.64%
Mike Cuellar 2 9.09%
Ken Holtzman 2 9.09%
Mario Soto 2 9.09%
Doyle Alexander 1 4.55%
Doc Ellis 1 4.55%
Willie Hernandez 1 4.55%
Joe Niekro 1 4.55%
Jerry Reuss 1 4.55%

1986-2007:

Player Votes Pct

Kevin Appier 5 25.00%
Dave Stewart 5 25.00%
Jose Rijo 4 20.00%
John Wetteland 4 20.00%
Chuck Finley 3 15.00%
Andy Messersmith 3 15.00%
Randy Myers 3 15.00%
Bob Welch 3 15.00%
Robb Nen 2 10.00%
Jesse Orosco 2 10.00%
Jeff Reardon 2 10.00%
Frank Voila 2 10.00%
Tom Browning 1 5.00%
Doug Drabek 1 5.00%
Roberto Hernandez 1 5.00%
Charlie Hough 1 5.00%
Mark Langston 1 5.00%
Al Leiter 1 5.00%
Ramon Martinez 1 5.00%
Rick Sutcliffe 1 5.00%

Active Pitchers:

Player Votes Pct

Jamie Moyer 11 37.93%
Carlos Zambrano 7 24.14%
Kenny Rogers 6 20.69%
Hideo Nomo 4 13.79%
Troy Percival 4 13.79%
Chris Carpenter 2 6.90%
Bartolo Colon 2 6.90%
Mark Buehrle 1 3.45%
Derek Lowe 1 3.45%
Jason Schmidt 1 3.45%
Tim Wakefield 1 3.45%



Pitchers who earned a minimum of 20% of the phase 1 vote:


Babe Adams
Kevin Appier
Harry Brecheen
Chet Brewer
Charlie Buffinton
Spud Chandler
Jim Creighton
Bill Dinneen
Dizzy Dismukes
Roy Face
Kid Gleason
Jesse Haines
John Hiller
Sam Leever
Dolf Luque
Mike Marshall
Jamie Moyer
Milt Pappas
Johnny Podres
Jack Quinn
Double Duty Radcliffe
Allie Reynolds
Kenny Rogers
J.R. Richard
Jose Rijo
Preacher Roe
Steve Rogers
Schoolboy Rowe
Curt Simmons
Dave Stewart
Lon Warneke
John Wetteland
Will White
Carlos Zambrano



Pitchers who appeared on Phase 1 ballots but did not receive any votes:

Pre-1893:

Mark Baldwin
Charlie Getzein
Ad Gumbert
Jack Lynch
Toad Ramsey
Adonis Terry
Stump Weidman
George Zettlein

1893-1919:

Bill Donovan
Claude Hendrix
Brickyard Kennedy
Earl Moore
George Mullin
Al Orth
Jeff Pfeffer
Jack Powell
Slim Salee
Hookse Wiltse

1920-1946:

Johnny Allen
Elden Auker
Guy Bush
Hooks Dauss
Bill Doak
Freddie Fitzsimmons
Larry French
Sad Sam Jones
Bill Lee
Red Lucas
Firpo Marberry
Art Nehf
Claude Passeau
Rip Sewell

NeL/Pre-NeL:

Dave Barnhill
William Bell Sr.
Eugene Bemer
Dave Brown
Plunk Drake
Rats Henderson
Bill Holland
Slim Jones
Scrip Lee
Verdel Mathis
Webster McDonald
Terris McDuffy
Henry McHenry
Diomedes Olivo
Andrew Porter
Harry Salmon
Gene Smith
George Stovey
Ted Trent
Stringbean Williams
Laymon Yokely

1946-1968:

Ted Abernathy
Jack Aker
Ewell Blackwell
Bob Buhl
Murry Dickson
Bob Friend
Fred Gladding
Mudcat Grant
Jim Konstanty
Vern Law
Frank Linzy
Don McMahon
Stu Miller
Bobo Newsom
Claude Osteen
Juan Pizarro
Bobby Shantz

1969-1985:

Jack Billingham
Jim Brewer
Mike Caldwell
Bill Campbell
Clay Carroll
Larry Dierker
John Denny
Bob Forsch
Woodie Fryman
Gene Garber
Dave Giusti
Burt Hooton
Dennis Leonard
Greg Minton
Rick Rhoden
Ray Sadecki
Paul Splitorff
Bob Stanley
Mike Torrez
John Tudor
Rick Wise

1986-2007:

Rick Aguilera
Sid Fernandez
Doug Jones
Dan Plesac
Todd Worrell

Active Pitchers:

Armano Benitez
Kelvim Escobar
Shawn Estes
John Garland
Freddy Garcia
Tom Gordon
Eddie Guardado
Mike Hampton
Jason Isringhausen
Todd Jones
John Lieber
Jose Mesa
Kevin Millwood
Matt Morris
Mark Mulder
Russ Ortiz
Chan Ho Park
Mike Timlin
Dave Weathers


Pitchers who have appeared on a Progressive HOF ballot that did not appear on a Phase 1 Ballot:



Pitcher Ballot Year No. Yrs. on Ballot Votes High Pct.

Jim Bagby (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=462&bid=1031) 1928
Ted Breitenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Breitenstein) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Asa Brainard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Brainard) 1920 VC 1 0 0.00%
Ray Caldwell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1198&pid=2002) 1926 2 1 4.00%
Howie Camnitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Camnitz) 1920 1 0 0.00%
Kid Carsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Carsey) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Larry Cheney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Cheney) 1924 1 0 0.00%
Doc Crandall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=2974&bid=990) 1923 1 0 0.00%
Bert Cunningham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Cunningham) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Red Donahue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Donahue) 1911 1 0 0.00%
Frank Dwyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dwyer) 1904 2 1 4.00%
Bob Ewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ewing) 1917 1 0 0.00%
Cy Falkenberg (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1711&pid=4258) 1922 1 0 0.00%
Cherokee Fisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Fisher) 1920 VC 1 0 0.00%
Ray Fisher (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1498&pid=4457) 1925 2 1 4.17%
Russ Ford (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1758&pid=4589) 1920 2 1 4.17%
Chick Fraser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Fraser) 1914 1 0 0.00%
Pink Hawley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Hawley) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Harry Howell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1048&pid=6601) 1915 1 0 0.00%
Tom Hughes (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1795&pid=6692) 1918 1 0 0.00%
Frank Killen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Killen) 1905 1 0 0.00%
Left Leifield (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=898&pid=8128) 1925 1 0 0.00%
Sadie McMahon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadie_McMahon) 1902 1 0 0.00%
Jouett Meekin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouett_Meekin) 1905 1 0 0.00%
Win Mercer (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=402&pid=9535) 1907 1 0 0.00%
Orval Overall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=914&pid=10775) 1919 2 1 4.17%
Bill Rhines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Rhines) 1904 1 0 0.00%
Nap Rucker (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=927&pid=12303) 1921 1 0 0.00%
Reb Russell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1791&pid=12347) 1928
Jim Scott (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1695&pid=12736) 1922 1 0 0.00%
Elmer Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Smith_(19th_century_outfielder)) 1906 1 0 0.00%
Frank Smith (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1698&pid=13223) 1920 1 0 0.00%
Tully Sparks (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Tully_Sparks_1874) 1915 1 0 0.00%
Ed Stein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Stein) 1903 1 0 0.00%
Willie Sudhoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sudhoff) 1911 1 0 0.00%
Jeff Tesreau (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=993&pid=14079) 1923 2 1 3.85%
Fred Toney (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=977&pid=14274) 1928
Lefty Tyler (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=881&pid=14425) 1926 1 0 0.00%

Player G IP Win-Loss Pct ERA ERA+ WHIP

Jim Bagby 315 1821.7 127 88 .591 3.11 109 1.286
Ted Breitenstein 379 2964.3 160 170 .485 4.04 109 1.449
Asa Brainard 84 698.7 24 53 .312 4.84 74 1.696
Ray Caldwell 343 2242.0 133 120 .526 3.22 99 1.261
Howie Camnitz 326 2085.3 133 106 .556 2.75 107 1.203
Kid Carsey 256 2222.0 116 138 .457 4.95 85 1.609
Larry Cheney 313 1881.3 116 100 .537 2.70 109 1.293
Doc Crandall 302 1546.7 102 62 .622 2.92 104 1.239
Bert Cunningham 341 2726.7 142 167 .460 4.22 91 1.514
Red Donahue 367 2966.3 164 175 .484 3.61 96 1.370
Frank Dwyer 318 2810.0 176 152 .537 3.85 115 1.447
Bob Ewing 291 2301.0 124 118 .512 2.49 116 1.178
Cy Falkenberg 330 2275.0 130 123 .514 2.68 106 1.222
Cherokee Fisher 165 1319.7 57 84 .404 2.83 107 1.219
Ray Fisher 278 1755.7 100 94 .515 2.82 105 1.223
Russ Ford 199 1487.3 99 71 .582 2.59 124 1.154
Chick Fraser 433 3356.0 175 212 .452 3.68 92 1.428
Pink Hawley 393 3012.7 167 179 .483 3.96 107 1.430
Harry Howell 340 2567.7 131 146 .473 2.74 109 1.212
Tom Hughes 313 2644.0 131 175 .428 3.09 93 1.310
Frank Killen 300 2511.3 164 131 .556 3.78 108 1.414
Lefty Leifield 296 1838.0 124 97 .561 2.47 115 1.212
Sadie McMahon 321 2634.0 173 127 .534 3.51 118 1.394
Jouett Meekin 270 2603.3 153 133 .535 4.07 102 1.494
Win Mercer 298 2470.3 131 164 .444 3.99 106 1.548
Orval Overall 218 1535.3 108 71 .603 2.23 122 1.161
Bill Rhines 223 1900.0 114 103 .525 3.47 114 1.341
Nap Rucker 336 2375.3 134 134 .500 2.42 119 1.175
Reb Russell 242 1291.7 81 59 .579 2.33 121 1.080
Jim Scott 226 1892.0 107 113 .486 2.30 121 1.180
Elmer Smith 149 1210.3 75 57 .568 3.35 113 1.313
Frank Smith 255 2273.0 139 111 .556 2.59 101 1.166
Tully Sparks 313 2335.7 121 136 .471 2.79 104 1.224
Ed Stein 215 1656.0 109 78 .583 3.97 103 1.462
Willie Sudhoff 279 2086.3 103 135 .433 3.56 92 1.338
Jeff Tesreau 247 1679.0 115 72 .615 2.43 114 1.145
Fred Toney 271 2206.0 139 102 .577 2.68 113 1.188
Lefty Tyler 323 2230.0 127 116 .523 2.95 102 1.264

Note: Links to SABR, Baseball Library and Wiki bios are provided
where available.

***Asa Brainard was primarily a pitcher in the late 1860s. Elmer Smith was
primarily a fielder but played several seasons as a pitcher.

Pitchers who just missed the preliminary ballots:



Player Debut Yrs Pct. W L G IP ERA ERA+ WHIP

Andy Benes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Benes) 1989 14 .527 155 139 403 2505.3 3.97 104 1.312
Tiny Bonham (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1127&pid=1282) 1940 10 .589 103 72 193 1551.0 3.06 120 1.153
Al Brazle (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/brazle_al.htm) 1943 10 .602 97 64 441 1376.7 3.31 120 1.365
Danny Darwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Darwin) 1978 21 .484 171 182 371 3016.7 3.84 106 1.268
Frank Dwyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dwyer) 1888 12 .537 176 152 365 2810.0 3.85 115 1.447
Carl Erskine (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1188&pid=4148) 1948 12 .610 122 78 335 1718.7 4.00 101 1.328
Bob Ewing (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=973&pid=4223) 1902 11 .512 291 124 118 2301.0 2.49 116 1.178
Ray Fisher (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1498&pid=4457) 1910 10 .515 100 94 278 1755.7 2.82 105 1.223
Russ Ford (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1758&pid=4589) 1909 7 .582 99 71 199 1487.3 2.59 124 1.154
Chick Fraser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Fraser) 1896 14 .452 175 212 389 3556.0 3.68 92 1.428
Don Gullett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gullett) 1970 9 .686 109 50 266 1390.0 3.11 113 1.227
Larry Gura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gura) 1970 16 .565 126 97 403 2047.0 3.97 106 1.280
Tex Hughson (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/hughson_tex.htm) 1941 8 .640 96 54 225 1375.7 2.94 125 1.194
Ed Killian (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1732&pid=7499) 1903 8 .567 102 78 180 1598.3 2.38 109 1.217
Ray Kremer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kremer) 1924 10 .627 143 85 247 1954.7 3.76 113 1.326
Max Lanier (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/lanier_max.htm) 1938 14 .568 108 82 204 1619.3 3.01 125 1.297
Lefty Leifield (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=898&pid=8128) 1905 12 .561 124 97 296 1838.0 2.47 115 1.212
Carl Lundgren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lundgren) 1902 8 .623 91 55 179 1322.0 2.42 112 1.214
Jon Matlack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Matlack) 1971 13 .498 125 126 361 2363.0 3.18 114 1.233
Rudy May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_May) 1965 16 .494 152 156 535 2622.0 3.46 102 1.248
Scott McGregor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_McGregor_(baseball)) 1976 13 .561 138 108 356 2140.7 3.99 98 1.291
Dave McNally (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_McNally) 1962 14 .607 184 119 424 2730.0 3.24 106 1.214
Lee Meadows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Meadows) 1915 15 .511 188 180 490 3160.7 3.37 106 1.340
George McQuillan (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=942&pid=9428) 1907 10 .489 85 89 173 1576.3 2.38 113 1.131
Gary Nolan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Nolan_(baseball)) 1967 10 .611 110 70 250 1674.7 3.08 117 1.145
Orval Overall (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=914&pid=10775) 1905 7 .603 108 71 218 1535.3 2.23 122 1.161
Monte Pearson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Pearson) 1932 10 .621 100 61 191 1429.7 4.00 111 1.491
Jake Peavy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Peavy) 2002 7 .581 86 62 199 1261.0 3.25 121 1.180
Jack Pfeister (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=915&pid=11173) 1903 8 .617 71 44 149 1067.3 2.02 127 1.089
Eddie Rommell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Rommel) 1920 13 .590 171 119 500 2556.3 3.54 121 1.351
Nap Rucker (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=927&pid=12303) 1907 10 .500 134 134 272 2375.3 2.42 119 1.175
Reb Russell (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1791&pid=12347) 1913 7 .579 81 59 242 1291.7 2.33 121 1.080
Babe Ruth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth) 1914 10 .671 94 46 163 1221.3 2.28 122 1.159
Jim Scott (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1695&pid=12736) 1909 9 .486 107 113 226 1892.0 2.30 121 1.180
Mike Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Scott_(baseball)) 1979 13 .534 124 108 347 2068.7 3.54 100 1.201
Jeff Tesreau (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=993&pid=14079) 1912 7 .615 115 72 206 1679.0 2.43 114 1.145
Fred Toney (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=14274&bid=977) 1911 12 .577 139 102 271 2206.0 2.69 113 1.188
Jake Weimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Weimer) 1903 7 .584 97 69 191 1472.7 2.23 125 1.168
Tom Zachary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Zachary) 1918 19 .493 186 191 533 3126.3 3.73 106 1.437

Note: Links to player bios at SABR (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=l&m=59), Baseball in Wartime, (http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/player_biographies.htm) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/)
are provided.


Phase 2 Winners:

Pre-1893, 1893-1919 Tier 1:

Mordecai Brown
John Clarkson
Tim Keefe
Christy Matthewson
Kid Nichols
Eddie Plank
Amos Rusie
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Cy Young

1920-1945, Pre NeL and NeL Tier 1:

Pete Alexander
Dizzy Dean
Lefty Gomez
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Walter Johnson
Satchel Paige
Bullet Joe Rogan
Dazzy Vance
Smoky Joe Williams

1946-1985 Tier 1:

Steve Carlton
Bob Feller
Bob Gibson
Sandy Koufax
Juan Marichal
Phil Neikro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Robin Roberts
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn

1986-Present Tier 1:

Bert Blyleven
Roger Clemens
Dennis Eckersley
Tom Glavine
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Mariano Rivera
Nolan Ryan
John Smoltz

Pre-1946 incl. NeL Tier 2:

Chief Bender
Mordecai Brown
Bob Caruthers
John Clarkson
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Wes Ferrell
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Joe McGinnity
Eddie Plank
Charley Radbourne
Bullet Joe Rogan
Red Ruffing
Amos Rusie
Dazzy Vance
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh

1946-Present Tier 2:

Bert Blyleven
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Whitey Ford
Tom Glavine
Fergie Jenkins
Bob Lemon
Juan Marichal
Mike Mussina
Phil Neikro
Hal Newhouser
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Mariano Rivera
Robin Roberts
Curt Schilling
John Smoltz
Don Sutton
Hoyt Wilhelm

Pre-1946 Tier 3:

Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Red Faber
Wes Ferrell
Rube Foster
Pud Galvin
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Addie Joss
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Joe McGinnity
Charley Radbourne
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Amos Rusie
Al Spalding
Rube Waddell
Vic Willis

1946-Present Tier 3:

Kevin Brown
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Rollie Fingers
Goose Gossage
Ron Guidry
Trevor Hoffman
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Bob Lemon
Mike Mussina
Don Newcombe
Dan Quisenberry
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant Jr.
Early Wynn

Tier 3 Runoff:

Kevin Brown
Red Faber
Rube Foster
Ron Guidry
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Red Ruffing

Pre-1946 Tier 4:

Chief Bender
Ray Brown
Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Wilbur Cooper
Martin DiHigo
Red Faber
Bill Foster
Clark Griffith
Burleigh Grimes
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Jim McCormick
Jose Mendez
Tony Mullane
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Urban Shocker
Al Spalding
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch
Vic Willis
Smoky Joe Wood

1946-Present Tier 4:

Vide Blue
Kevin Brown
David Cone
Rollie Fingers
Roy Halladay
Trevor Hoffman
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt
Billy Pierce
Dan Quisenberry
Brett Saberhagen
Johan Santana
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Bruce Sutter
Luis Tiant Jr.
Billy Wagner

Tier 4 Runoff:

Lefty Gomez
Catfish Hunter
Jose Mendez
Tony Mullane
Dan Quisenberry
Brett Saberhagen
Luis Tiant Jr.
Vic Willis

Pre-1946 Tier 5:

Chief Bender
Ray Brown
Tommy Bridges
Wilbur Cooper
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
Clark Griffith
Burleigh Grimes
Waite Hoyt
Silver King
Jim McCormick
Herb Pennock
Deacon Phillippe
Cannonball Dick Redding
Urban Shocker
Hilton Smith
Hippo Vaughn
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch
Smoky Joe Wood

1946-Present Tier 5:

Vida Blue
David Cone
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Roy Halladay
Orel Hershiser
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jimmy Key
Jerry Koosman
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Brett Saberhagen
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Luis Tiant Jr.
Virgil Trucks
Billy Wagner

Tier 5 Runoff:

Vida Blue
John Franco
Clark Griffith
Doc Gooden
Burleigh Grimes
Jimmy Key
Roy Oswalt
Cannonball Dick Redding

Tier 6 Also Rans Winners:

Babe Adams
Kevin Appier
Sam Leever
Dolf Luque
Jamie Moyer
Jack Quinn
Allie Reynolds
Jose Rijo
Lon Warneke

Tier 6 Runoff:

Ray Brown
Sparky Lyle
Dennis Martinez
Jack Quinn
Ed Reulbach
Billy Wagner

Tier 8 Runoff:

Charlie Buffinton
Andy Cooper
Bill Dinneen
John Donaldson
Bill Jackman
Ed Reulbach
J.R. Richard
Preacher Roe
Steve Rogers
Fernando Valenzuela
John Ward
Carlos Zambrano


The Final Tiers:

Tier 1:

Pete Alexander
Steve Carlton
Roger Clemens
Bob Feller
Bob Gibson
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Randy Johnson
Walter Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Christy Matthewson
Kid Nichols
Satchel Paige
Nolan Ryan
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn
Smoky Joe Williams
Cy Young

Tier 2:

Bert Blyleven
Mordecai Brown
John Clarkson
Whitey Ford
Tom Glavine
Fergie Jenkins
Tim Keefe
Juan Marichal
Phil Niekro
Hal Newhouser
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Eddie Plank
Mariano Rivera
Robin Roberts
Bullet Joe Rogan
John Smoltz
Dazzy Vance
Ed Walsh
Hoyt Wilhem

Tier 3:

Jim Bunning
Stan Coveleski
Dizzy Dean
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Wes Ferrell
Rube Foster*
Pud Galvin
Goose Gossage
Ron Guidry*
Bob Lemon
Ted Lyons
Joe McGinnity
Mike Mussina
Charley Radbourne
Amos Rusie
Curt Schilling
Don Sutton
Rube Waddell
Early Wynn

Tier 4:

Kevin Brown
Bob Caruthers
Eddie Ciccotte
Red Faber
Rollie Fingers
Bill Foster
Lefty Gomez*
Trevor Hoffman
Addie Joss
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez*
Tony Mullane*
Billy Pierce
Dan Quisenberry*
Eppa Rixey
Red Ruffing
Johan Santana
Al Spalding
Bruce Sutter
Vic Willis*

Tier 5:

Chief Bender
David Cone
Wilbur Cooper
Burleigh Grimes*
Roy Halladay
Orel Hershiser
Catfish Hunter
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Jack Morris
Don Newcombe
Roy Oswalt*
Cannonball Dick Redding*
Brett Saberhagen
Urban Shocker
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Luis Tiant Jr.
Bucky Walters
Smoky Joe Wood

Tier 6:

Babe Adams
Vida Blue
Tommy Bridges
Leon Day
Martin DiHigo
John Franco
Doc Gooden
Clark Griffith
Waite Hoyt
Jimmy Key
Jerry Koosman
Dolf Luque
Dennis Martinez*
Jim McCormick
Jack Quinn*
Allie Reynolds
Hippo Vaughn
Billy Wagner*
Lon Warneke
Mickey Welch

Tier 7:

Kevin Appier
Tommy Bond
Ray Brown
Tim Hudson
Dutch Leonard
Mickey Lolich
Sparky Lyle
Sal Maglie
Jamie Moyer
Herb Pennock
Andy Pettitte
Deacon Phillippe
Rick Reuschel
Jose Rijo
C.C. Sabathia
Frank Tanana
Luis Tiant Sr.
Dizzy Trout
Virgil Trucks
David Wells

Tier 8:

Harry Brecheen
Jack Chesbro
Andy Cooper*
Bill Dinneen*
Tom Henke
Silver King
Sam Leever
Mike Marshall
Tug McGraw
Milt Pappas
Ed Reulbach*
J.R. Richard*
Preacher Roe*
Steve Rogers*
Schoolboy Rowe
Johnny Sain
Hilton Smith
Jesse Tannehill
Fernando Valenzuela*
Wilbur Wood

* Runoff winners

Remaining preliminary round and top also ran winners:



Chet Brewer (http://coe.ksu.edu/nlbemuseum/history/players/brewerc.html)
Charlie Buffinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Buffinton)
Spud Chandler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spud_Chandler)
Larry Corcoran (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2007/1/11/92222/5828)#
Jim Creighton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Creighton,_Jr.)
Candy Cummings (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1276&pid=3130)#+
Dizzy Dismukes (http://coe.ksu.edu/nlbemuseum/history/players/dismukes.html)
John Donaldson (http://coe.ksu.edu/nlbemuseum/history/players/donaldson.html)#
Roy Face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Face)
Kid Gleason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Gleason)
Jesse Haines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Haines)+
John Hiller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hiller)
Bill Jackman (http://agatetype.typepad.com/agate_type/bill_jackman_the_philadelphia_colored_giants/)#
Sparky Lyle (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1613&pid=8541)#
Rube Marquard (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1600&pid=8662)#+
Bobby Mathews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Mathews)
Denny McLain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_McLain)#
Johnny Podres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Podres)
Double Duty Radcliffe (http://www.nlbpa.com/radcliffe__ted_-_double_duty.html)
Kenny Rogers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_(baseball))
Curt Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Simmons)
Dave Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Stewart_(baseball_player))
John Ward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Montgomery_Ward)#+
John Wetteland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wetteland)

#Denotes preliminary round winners
+ Denotes a member of the NBHoFM

These pitchers are guaranteed a slot on the tier 9 and tier 10 ballots

[jjpm74]

After this tier, there will be a Tier 10. Once those tiers conclude, this will be the procedure for Phase 3:

1. We will start will vote for 1 polls. This will only remain so for as long as we have a clear winner with a minimum of 60% of the total votes cast. As soon as drop below the 60% threshold, we will revert to vote for 5 polls.

2. Anyone receiving 25% or more in a given round will automatically be removed from the next poll and added to our final ranking.

3. In the event of ties in the top 20, we'll have runoff polls. Beyond the top 20, ties will stick as is and be broken when the ranking process is complete.

4. We will continue to rank as long as there's enough interest (a minimum of 8 ballots cast). Hopefully we'll get to #100, but if we don't, so be it. The main purpose of this project for me was to see roughly where this community places pitchers.

I'm hoping to run a discussion about the tiers and list when all voting is completed to see where everyone's HOF cutoff line is and what pitchers on our list ended up ranking below the current Cooperstown pitcher set +- a projected 10 would be in their personal HOF.

[jjpm74]

For Tiers 9 and 10, these are the lists we'll be drawing from to get additional candidates to add to the remaining preliminary round winners and top also rans:



Pre-1946 and NeL:

Red Ames
Walter Ball
Dave Bankhead
Jesse Barnes
George Bradley
Harry Bruckner
Bullet Joe Bush
Bill Byrd
Elton Chamberlain
Phil Cockrel
Jack Coombs
Mort Cooper
Nig Cuppy
Paul Derringer
Dave Foutz
Fred Goldsmith
Bob Griffith
Noodles Hahn
Mel Harder
Guy Hecker
Bill Hutchison
Matt Kilroy
Leroy Malock
Max Manning
Dick McBride
Dan McClellan
Ed Morris
Charlie Root
Dutch Ruether
Bob Shawkey
Harry Staley
Jack Stivetts
Dummy Taylor
Jack Taylor
George Uhle
Johnny Van Der Meer
Rube Walbereg
Gus Weyhing
Frank Wickware
Doc White
Earl Whitehill
Jim Whitney

1946-Present:

Doyle Alexander
Mark Buehrle
Tom Browning
Lew Burdette
Chris Carpenter
Bartolo Colon
Mike Cuellar
Doug Drabek
Doc Ellis
Chuck Finley
Mike Garcia
Harvey Haddix
Roberto Hernandez
Willie Hernandez
Ken Holtzman
Charlie Hough
Larry Jackson
Clem Labine
Mark Langston
Don Larsen
Al Leiter
Ed Lopat
Derek Lowe
Jim Maloney
Ramon Martinez
Lindy McDaniel
Sam McDowell
Andy Messersmith
Randy Myers
Robb Nen
Joe Niekro
Hideo Nomo
Joe Nuxhall
Jesse Orosco
Troy Percival
Vic Raschi
Jeff Reardon
Jerry Reuss
Jason Schmidt
Mario Soto
Mel Stottlemyre
Rick Sutcliffe
Kent Tekulve
Frank Viola
Tim Wakefield
Bob Welch

Pitchers who just missed the preliminary ballot:

Andy Benes
Tiny Bonham
Al Brazle
Danny Darwin
Frank Dwyer
Carl Erskine
Bob Ewing
Ray Fisher
Russ Ford
Chick Fraser
Don Gullett
Larry Gura
Pink Hawley
Tex Hugson
Ed Killian
Ray Kremer
Max Lanier
Lefty Leifield
Carl Lundgren
Jon Matlack
Rudy May
Scott McGregor
Dave McNally
George McQuillan
Lee Meadows
Gary Nolan
Orval Overall
Monte Pearson
Jack Peavy
Jack Pfeister
Eddie Rommell
Nap Ricker
Reb Russell
Babe Ruth
Jim Scott
Mike Scott
Jeff Tesreau
Fred Toney
Jake Weimer
Tom Zachary



If we did a tier 9 and tier 10, we'd draw the top ten (or more in the event of ties) from the Pre-1946 and 1946-Present groups (20 candidates total each tier) and 5 pitchers total (or more in the event of ties) from the pitchers who just missed the preliminary ballot lists.

[jjpm74]

We need one more ballot to reach quorum for this group.

[Paul Wendt]

This ballot presents two of the very best pitchers who were not covered by the phase one polls.

Nap Rucker
Eddie Rommel

They should be easy winners of slots in Tier 9.

Max Lanier is another fairly easy choice here. He was one of the WWII Cardinals stars --along with Harry Brecheen, Mort Cooper, Al Brazle, and Howie Pollett. Lanier played in the Mexican League during 1946, for which "Baseball" banned him for five years. Happy Chandler for Baseball readmitted Lanier in 1949, Sal Maglie in 1950, five years would have been 1946-50 with readmission in 1951. Was there any rationale for the various waivers/wavers? Did Lanier and Maglie "show remorse" as Pete Rose has not yet done? On the other hand, was the progress of civil lawsuits a factor?

Frank Dwyer gets my fourth vote, a clear choice over Pink Hawley, although my own next choice from the 1890s would be the absent Ted Breitenstein. Around 1900, Dwyer worked for Ban Johnson on the umpires staff of the American League and then as Detroit Tigers manager. He was one of five managers in six AL seasons before Hugh Jennings 1907-1920.

--
Brad Radke should be here. Then I would cast one vote for the youngest generation --given that Brandon Webb, Joe Nathan, and Co., are evidently too young, although the line below Sabathia and Zambrano is not clear.

Radke may be more deserving than Jon Matlack and Danny Darwin from the preceding generation. In the event I have cast one reluctant vote for Matlack, which I would rather send to John Candelaria.

[jjpm74]

We have officially hit quorum. With 2 days left, it looks like we will have at least 2 pitchers advance. Babe Ruth and Dave McNally each have the minimum of 5 votes needed to advance. Max Lanier and Orval Overall each have 4 vote and need 1 more. There are also a number of pitchers with 3 votes all battling it out for these 5+ slots.

I don't expect a big turnout for this group, but it would be great if we could get a full 5 out of this group to add into the tier 9 and tier 10 final ballots.

[J W]

Perusing through the list, these ten pitchers stood out to me:

Eddie Rommel is the #1 pitcher on my list.

Dave McNally gets my #2 spot despite his relatively low ERA+. Past this vote, things got more difficult.

Ray Kremer has rock solid numbers and gets my #3 vote. His Black Ink score (25) is 66th all time and he has more wins & IP than many others. ERA+ and WHIP are penalized for a couple mediocre seasons.

Nap Rucker was a tough-luck .500 pitcher (134-134). He's #4.

Tex Hughson did more with less time than anyone else on the list and gets my last vote despite his paltry IP.
-----
Frank Dwyer's super high WHIP is more a product of his environment than anything. But then you could say the same about his wins & IP.

Al Brazle's SP career looks similar to many others that made my first cut -- except he also has 60 career saves.

Jake Peavy is already a viable option here, with (hopefully) most of his career ahead of him.

Mike Scott had a pretty darn good 5-yr peak in Houston.

Babe Ruth had an awesome 4-year stretch and one would only wonder.... but does he deserve a spot here? Other pitchers that made my first cut: Ford, Gullett, Lanier, Nolan, Overall, Tesreau, Toney, Weimer.

[J W]

Ruth and McNally are good selections.

Lanier, Overall, Rucker all one vote away...

Gullett also has an outside shot. So do Darwin, Erskine and McGregor (all "meh" to me).

[J W]

Also needing two votes: Eddie Rommel! C'mon guys, he needs your vote:

2556.1 IP
171 wins (two 20-win seasons)
119 losses (.590 %)
121 ERA+

2nd place, AL MVP 1922

Black Ink (18) - 108th
Gray Ink (124) - 140th

This is a top 200 pitcher!

[Paul Wendt]

Why Eddie Rommel should be overlooked is a big mystery to me. Isn't he the most famous pitcher on the ballot thanks to Mr. Mack & Co.? I wonder whether people discount him for WWII.

Babe Ruth and Dave McNally accomplishd more in the fields of batting and litigating, which must explain their standings. Rommel put together one of the best pitching careers on the ballot, probably second to Rucker in my opinion.

Tex Hughson did more with less time than anyone else on the list and gets my last vote despite his paltry IP.
The records of Ellis Kinder and Mel Parnell make me wonder about the struggles of these gentlemen to do a lot with a little.

David Halberstam has celebrated Bobby Doerr, Dominic DiMaggio, and Johnny Pesky as "Teammates". How about Tex Hughson, Elllis Kinder, and Mel Parnell as "Drinking Buddies"?

[jjpm74]

Also needing two votes: Eddie Rommel! C'mon guys, he needs your vote:

2556.1 IP
171 wins (two 20-win seasons)
119 losses (.590 %)
121 ERA+

2nd place, AL MVP 1922

Black Ink (18) - 108th
Gray Ink (124) - 140th

This is a top 200 pitcher!

Eddie Rommel officially has 4 votes and Jack Pfeister officially has 1 vote (not reflected in the ballot due to voter error).

[jjpm74]

With 1 day of voting remaining, we have 5 pitchers who have hit the minimum number of votes to advance and have also made quorum:

Max Lanier (5)
Dave McNally (7)
Orval Overall (5)
Eddie Rommell (5)
Babe Ruth (8)

These pitchers also have a shot:

Don Gullett (4)
Nap Rucker (4)
Danny Darwin (3)
Carl Erskine (3)
Scott McGregor (3)

These pitchers are still in the mix but longshots to advance:

Russ Ford (2)
Tex Hugson (2)
Ray Kremer (2)
Mike Scott (2)
Frank Dwyer (1)
Chick Fraser (1)
Pink Hawley (1)
Lefty Leifield (1)
Jon Matlack (1)
Rudy May (1)
Jack Pfeister (1)
Fred Toney (1)
Jake Weimer (1)
Tom Zachary (1)

It'll be interesting to see what, if any changes take place on the last day of voting and if any of our current top 5 slip out of the top 5 slots needed to advance.

[Paul Wendt]

With 1 day of voting remaining, we have 5 pitchers who have hit the minimum number of votes to advance and have also made quorum:

Max Lanier (5)
Dave McNally (7)
Orval Overall (5)
Eddie Rommell (5)
Babe Ruth (8)

. . . It'll be interesting to see what, if any changes take place on the last day of voting and if any of our current top 5 slip out of the top 5 slots needed to advance.
A fine rally.
Nap Rucker makes it a six-pack.

[jjpm74]

Congrats to the 6 who advanced. I'll get the pre-1946 group up shortly.