A new project

[jalbright]

I'd thought of doing a new project before I decided to end my continuous stewardship of the BBF HOF project, but realized running two would be too much. I never forgot the idea though, and played around with how I would do it in a manner which would be different and hopefully interesting. I went through a lot of ideas and I've come up with what I'd like to do.

I'll post the proposed rules in the next post, but I'll give a quick synopsis of the plan: we start in 1936, when the actual Hall opened, but instead of using the 75% rule for election, we will use a MVP style vote. There will be no term at which eligiblity expires, nor will I blacklist anyone. Sportsmanship and non-playing concerns such as gambling, game-fixing and PED use will be considered valid reasons to rank players less highly than their play might indicate and to even justify the complete omission of candidates from a ballot. Players from all leagues are eligible, but the point will always be to elect the very best players. Thus, it will be hard to get in anyone outside of the major leagues, the various blackball leagues, Japanese baseball and Castro-era Cuban ball. Hard, but not impossible, should someone be able to make a convincing case for someone outside of those leagues. I will shoot to have that Hall mimic the size of Cooperstown, which helps fix the number of slots available each year. Players will be considered solely as players, and we will have a separate contributor ballot for managers, executives, pioneers, media types and others who may have contributed on a variety of levels.

Starting in 1936 will immediately mark this project as different from the BBTF "Hall of Merit" as will the more inclusive candidate set and the contributor ballot. I believe the MVP style voting is new to the BBF HOF forum projects, thus setting it apart from other projects here. We'll start with the HOF's original idea of inducting 10 players, and then I'll induct five players a year for the next four years to help reduce the backlog. The historical average is about two HOF players a year, but we'll go with three a year after the first five seasons up until 2010 to reduce the initial backlog and get us up to Cooperstown size. After that, we'll go with two a year. We'll add one contributor a year up until 1985, and then use the historical average of one per (about) three years.

Candidate eligiblity will also be different than we're used to, mostly just to change things up a little. The primary determinant will be age, so most players will become eligible at around age 45 and contributors at around age 65. If someone dies earlier than that, they will be eligible in the second calendar year after the year of their death. Players who are still active at age 45 will have to miss a full season to become active. They won't lose eligibility once they become eligible, even if they return to play. Truth is, anyone that old who misses a season has yet to make a large contribution upon returning to play.

I've compiled lists of eligible candidates for both ballots. I started with the members of Cooperstown, the BBF HOF and the BBTF Hall of Merit. I then added all those who received votes in the BBF HOF balloting. Finally, I added all candidates who received votes in BBWAA voting. That makes the player list quite extensive, and allows for a fairly large contributor ballot. I anticipate requiring that votes be limited to these lists, but that if a voter wishes to make a case for a candidate, I will be inclined to add the candidate to the list on a fairly liberal basis.

Next are the proposed rules. If you want to suggest changes or make comments, now is a good time, as I will not be very disposed toward changes once the project actually begins (I anticipate starting in December).

[jalbright]

1) All BBF users in good standing may participate. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance, or only the first vote will be counted. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.

2) Elections will require a 10 voter quorum. If we do not get ten voters and there are candidate(s) who would be elected no matter what the voters needed to make a quorum did, those candidate(s) will be inducted. Otherwise, no one will be inducted. Further, if we fail to meet a quorum in two of any four consecutive elections, the project will end. If, for instance, we're doing fine on the player end but not the contributor end, I would drop the contributor end under this rule.

3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. For the first election, have voters rank their top 20, taking 10. After that go to having voters rank their top 12 players. Points awarded 12-11-10, etc. Top five through 1940, then top three players per year elected until 2010, then two per year. I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.

4) We will also have a contributor ballot, which will elect one a year through 1985, then one every three (3) years. Contributors will be ranked 1 through 5, with points awarded 5-4-3-2-1. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both.

5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.

6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the ballot is open. However, I request that you PM me (jalbright) to ensure that I am aware of the change(s) or make a separate posting in the voting thread. It would be most helpful if you specify the changes in your ballot. I cannot agree to be responsible for monitoring the thread for any changes voters might make. If I catch them, fine, but if I don't and am not notified, the official count will be what I have been notified of, not what is on the thread.

7) Players are eligible at the later of age 45 or the first year thereafter in which the player does not play. If the birthdate is not known, add five years to the first time the player misses a season and has less than 10 games the next season. There is an exception for early death, in which case the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date.

8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or death, whichever comes first. The early death rule applies here as well.

9) Each election will run for two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.

10) No one is ineligible, nor are players from any league ineligible. Please note, however, that the standard for including a player is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 15th in a 12 person ballot instead of one of the top 12, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 25th best eligible candidate on a 12 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project. Candidates will not lose eligiblity after becoming eligible except by being elected as either a contributor or player. However, voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.

11) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.

12) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however.

13) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

14) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.

15) Any players listed beyond the 12th place for any ballot but the first (in which case it is 20th place) will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

16) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

17) For any ties straddling the in/out line of selections, the first thing considered is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 3-2-1 or whatever is appropriate system. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If they remain tied after this process, take those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.

18) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.

19) I reserve the right to hold both 19th century and Negro League special elections in 2000 if we don't have a sufficient number in those categories by then. These elections probably will be limited to voters I feel are appropriately versed on the group of players to be considered. I do wish to only use this as a last resort, however, and only to ensure that those groups received what I regard as at least adequate bare minimum representation. I do not plan on sharing with you what I consider to meet those bare minimum standards, but I think that the numbers I am thinking of are well below the number of candidates that well informed observers believe are well qualified candidates from each group.

20) I will maintain a thread of the project's history and rules which will provide a listing of all elected candidates.

21) Feel free to ask questions by either sending jalbright a PM, or by posting a question in voting thread

[jalbright]

The list of eligible players, given alphabetically:



Lname Fname yr eligible
Aaron Hank 1979
Abbott Jim 2012
Adams Babe 1936
Adams Sparky 1939
Adams Bobby 1966
Aguilera Rick 2006
Alexander Pete 1936
Allen Johnny 1954
Allen Dick 1987
Alomar Roberto 2013
Alou Felipe 1980
Alou Matty 1983
Alou Jesus 1987
Altrock Nick 1936
Anson Cap 1936
Aparicio Luis 1979
Appling Luke 1952
Archer Jimmy 1936
Arlett Buzz 1944
Ashburn Richie 1972
Austin Jimmy 1936
Averill Earl 1947
Bagwell Jeff 2013
Bailey Bob 1987
Baines Harold 2004
Baker Frank 1936
Baker Dusty 1994
Bancroft Dave 1936
Bando Sal 1989
Banks Ernie 1976
Barnes Ross 1936
Barry Jack 1936
Bartell Dick 1952
Battin Joe 1936
Bauer Hank 1967
Baylor Don 1994
Beaumont Ginger 1936
Beck Rod 2009
Beckert Glenn 1985
Beckley Jake 1936
Beckwith John 1947
Bedrosian Steve 2002
Belanger Mark 1989
Bell Cool Papa 1948
Bell Buddy 1996
Bell George 2004
Belle Albert 2011
Bench Johnny 1992
Bender Chief 1936
Bennett Charlie 1936
Benton Larry 1942
Berg Moe 1947
Bergen Marty 1936
Berger Wally 1950
Berra Yogi 1970
Berry Charlie 1947
Bessho Akira 1967
Bibby Jim 1989
Bichette Dante 2008
Bigbee Carson 1940
Biggio Craig 2010
Billingham Jack 1988
Bishop Max 1944
Blackwell Ewell 1967
Blades Ray 1941
Blair Paul 1989
Blass Steve 1987
Blue Lu 1942
Blue Vida 1994
Bluege Ossie 1945
Blyleven Bert 1996
Bodie Ping 1936
Boggs Wade 2003
Boley Joe 1941
Bond Tommy 1936
Bonds Bobby 1991
Bonds Barry 2009
Bonilla Bobby 2008
Boone Bob 1992
Bottomley Jim 1945
Boudreau Lou 1962
Bowa Larry 1990
Boyer Ken 1976
Boyer Clete 1982
Bradley Bill 1936
Brecheen Harry 1959
Breitenstein Ted 1936
Bresnahan Roger 1936
Brett George 1998
Brewer Jim 1982
Bridges Tommy 1951
Brock Lou 1984
Brouthers Dan 1936
Brown Mordecai 1936
Brown Ray 1953
Brown Willard 1960
Brown Gates 1984
Brown Kevin 2010
Browning Pete 1936
Browning Tom 2005
Bruton Bill 1970
Buckner Bill 1994
Buhner Jay 2009
Bunning Jim 1976
Burdette Lew 1971
Burgess Smoky 1972
Burkett Jesse 1936
Burns George 1936
Burroughs Jeff 1996
Bush Donie 1936
Bush Guy 1946
Bush Joe 1937
Butler Brett 2002
Cadore Leon 1936
Callison Johnny 1984
Camilli Dolph 1952
Caminiti Ken 2006
Camnitz Howie 1936
Campanella Roy 1966
Campaneris Bert 1987
Campbell Bill 1993
Candelaria John 1998
Candiotti Tom 2002
Canseco Jose 2009
Cardenal Jose 1988
Cardenas Leo 1983
Carew Rod 1990
Carey Max 1936
Carlton Steve 1989
Carrasquel Chico 1973
Carrigan Bill 1936
Carroll Clay 1986
Carter Gary 1999
Carter Joe 2005
Carty Rico 1984
Caruthers Bob 1936
Case George 1960
Cash Norm 1979
Cash Dave 1993
Cavaretta Phil 1961
Cedeno Cesar 1996
Cepeda Perucho 1951
Cepeda Orlando 1982
Cey Ron 1993
Chance Frank 1936
Chandler Spud 1952
Chapman Ray 1936
Chapman Ben 1953
Chapman Sam 1961
Charleston Oscar 1942
Chase Hal 1936
Chesbro Jack 1936
Childs Cupid 1936
Cicotte Eddie 1936
Cissell Bill 1949
Clark Watty 1947
Clark Jack 2000
Clark Will 2009
Clarke Fred 1936
Clarkson John 1936
Clarkson Bus 1958
Clemens Roger 2008
Clemente Roberto 1975
Coakley Andy 1936
Cobb Ty 1936
Cochrane Mickey 1948
Colavito Rocky 1978
Coleman Vince 2006
Collins Eddie 1936
Collins Jimmy 1936
Collins Shano 1936
Combs Earle 1944
Concepcion Dave 1993
Connor Roger 1936
Conroy Wid 1936
Coombs Jack 1936
Cooper Wilbur 1937
Cooper Andy 1943
Cooper Mort 1958
Cooper Walker 1960
Courtney Clint 1972
Coveleski Stan 1936
Cox Billy 1964
Cramer Del 1975
Crandall Doc 1936
Cravath Gavvy 1936
Crawford Sam 1936
Creighton Jim 1936
Criger Lou 1936
Critz Hughie 1945
Cronin Joe 1951
Crosetti Frankie 1955
Cross Lave 1936
Crowder Al 1944
Cruise Walt 1936
Cruz Jose 1992
Cuccinello Tony 1952
Cummings Candy 1936
Cuyler Kiki 1943
Dahlen Bill 1936
Dandridge Ray 1958
Danning Harry 1956
Dark Alvin 1967
Darling Ron 2005
Daubert Jake 1936
Daulton Darren 2007
Davis George 1936
Davis Harry 1936
Davis Curt 1948
Davis Spud 1949
Davis Tommy 1984
Davis Chili 2005
Davis Mark 2005
Davis Eric 2007
Dawson Andre 1999
Day Leon 1961
Dean Dizzy 1955
DeCinces Doug 1995
Delahanty Ed 1936
Dempsey Rick 1994
Denny John 1997
Dent Bucky 1996
Derringer Paul 1951
Deshaies Jim 2005
Dickey Bill 1952
Dihigo Martin 1950
DiMaggio Joe 1959
DiMaggio Dom 1962
Dinneen Bill 1936
Doak Bill 1936
Doby Larry 1968
Doerr Bobby 1963
Donlin Mike 1936
Donovan Bill 1936
Dooin Red 1936
Downing Brian 1995
Doyle Jack 1936
Doyle Larry 1936
Drabek Doug 2007
Dropo Walt 1968
Drysdale Don 1981
Duffy Hugh 1936
Dugan Joe 1942
Dunlap Fred 1936
Dunston Shawon 2008
Dykes Jimmy 1941
Dykstra Lenny 2008
Earnshaw George 1945
Eckersley Dennis 1999
Edwards Hank 1964
Ehmke Howard 1939
Eisenreich Jim 2004
Elberfeld Kid 1936
Elliott Jumbo 1945
Elliott Bob 1961
Ellis Dock 1990
Enatsu Yutaka 1993
Ennis Del 1970
Ens Jewel 1936
Erskine Carl 1971
Evans Darrell 1992
Evans Dwight 1996
Evers Johnny 1936
Ewing Buck 1936
Faber Red 1936
Face Roy 1973
Fairly Ron 1983
Falkenberg Cy 1936
Feller Bob 1963
Fernandez Sid 2007
Fernandez Tony 2007
Ferrell Rick 1950
Ferrell Wes 1953
Fielder Cecil 2008
Fingers Rollie 1991
Finley Chuck 2007
Fisk Carlton 1994
Fitzsimmons Freddie 1946
Flanagan Mike 1996
Fletcher Art 1936
Flick Elmer 1936
Flood Curt 1983
Fonseca Lew 1944
Ford Whitey 1973
Forsch Bob 1995
Foster Eddie 1936
Foster Rube 1936
Foster Willie 1949
Foster George 1993
Fox Nellie 1972
Foxx Jimmie 1952
Franco John 2006
Fraser Chick 1936
Freehan Bill 1986
Fregosi Jim 1987
Frisch Frankie 1943
Fryman Travis 2014
Furillo Carl 1967
Gaetti Gary 2003
Galan Augie 1957
Galarraga Andres 2006
Galvin Pud 1936
Garner Phil 1994
Garver Ned 1970
Garvey Steve 1993
Gehrig Lou 1943
Gehringer Charlie 1948
Gelbert Charlie 1951
Gibson Josh 1949
Gibson Bob 1980
Gibson Kirk 2002
Giusti Dave 1984
Glasscock Jack 1936
Gleason Kid 1936
Gomez Lefty 1953
Gonzalez Mike 1936
Gooden Dwight 2009
Gordon Joe 1960
Gore George 1936
Goslin Goose 1945
Gossage Goose 1996
Gowdy Hank 1936
Grace Mark 2009
Grant Eddie 1936
Grant Frank 1936
Grantham George 1945
Greenberg Hank 1956
Greenwell Mike 2008
Grich Bobby 1994
Griffey, Sr. Ken 1995
Griffith Clark 1936
Grimes Burleigh 1938
Grimm Charlie 1943
Grissom Marb 1963
Groat Dick 1975
Groh Heinie 1936
Gromek Steve 1965
Grove Lefty 1945
Grove Orval 1964
Guerrero Pedro 2001
Guidry Ron 1995
Guillen Ozzie 2009
Gullickson Bill 2004
Gustine Frank 1965
Gwynn Tony 2005
Haas Mule 1948
Hack Stan 1954
Haddix Harvey 1970
Hafey Chick 1948
Hahn Noodles 1936
Haines Jesse 1938
Hallahan Bill 1947
Hamilton Billy 1936
Harder Mel 1954
Hargrave Bubbles 1937
Hargrove Mike 1994
Harimoto Isao 1985
Harrah Toby 1993
Harrelson Bud 1989
Harris Bucky 1941
Harris Vic 1951
Hartnett Gabby 1945
Hatton Grady 1967
Hearn Jim 1966
Hebner Richie 1992
Hegan Jim 1965
Heilmann Harry 1939
Helms Tommy 1986
Hemus Solly 1968
Henderson Dave 2003
Henderson Rickey 2004
Henke Tom 2002
Henrich Tommy 1958
Herman Babe 1948
Herman Billy 1954
Hernandez Keith 1998
Hernandez Willie 1999
Hershiser Orel 2003
Herzog Buck 1936
Hickman Jim 1982
Higgins Mike 1954
Hill Pete 1936
Hiller John 1988
Hinchman Bill 1936
Hines Paul 1936
Hodges Gil 1969
Holmes Tommy 1962
Holtzman Ken 1990
Honeycutt Rick 1999
Hooper Harry 1936
Hooton Burt 1995
Hornsby Rogers 1941
Horton Willie 1987
Hough Charlie 1995
Houtteman Art 1972
Howard Elston 1974
Howard Frank 1981
Hoy Dummy 1963
Hoyt Waite 1944
Hrabosky Al 1994
Hrbek Kent 2005
Hubbell Carl 1948
Huggins Miller 1936
Hunter Catfish 1991
Hurst Bruce 2003
Hutchinson Fred 1964
Inao Kazuhisa 1982
Irvin Monte 1964
Irwin Charlie 1936
Jackman Will 1943
Jackson Joe 1936
Jackson Sonny 1989
Jackson Reggie 1991
Jefferies Gregg 2012
Jenkins Fergie 1987
Jennings Hughie 1936
Jensen Jackie 1972
John Tommy 1990
Johnson Home Run 1936
Johnson Walter 1936
Johnson Judy 1945
Johnson Bob 1950
Johnson Davey 1988
Jones Charley 1936
Jones Fielder 1936
Jones Sam P. 1937
Jones Doug 2002
Jordan Tim 1936
Jorgenson Mike 1993
Joss Addie 1936
Judge Joe 1939
Jurges Billy 1953
Justice David 2011
Kaat Jim 1984
Kaline Al 1979
Kamm Willie 1945
Kaneda Masaichi 1978
Kawakami Tetsuharu 1958
Keefe Tim 1936
Keeler Willie 1936
Kell George 1967
Keller Charlie 1961
Kelley Joe 1936
Kelly King 1936
Keltner Ken 1961
Kennedy Terry 2001
Kerr Dickie 1938
Kessinger Don 1987
Key Jimmy 2006
Kile Darryl 2004
Killebrew Harmon 1981
Killefer Bill 1936
Kilroy Matt 1936
Kinder Ellis 1959
Kiner Ralph 1967
Kingman Dave 1993
Klein Chuck 1949
Kling Johnny 1936
Kluszewski Ted 1969
Knabe Otto 1936
Knight Ray 1997
Knoblauch Chuck 2013
Koosman Jerry 1987
Koufax Sandy 1980
Koyama Masaaki 1979
Kremer Ray 1938
Kress Red 1952
Kruk John 2006
Krukow Mike 1997
Kuenn Harvey 1975
Kuhel Joe 1951
Kuzava Bob 1968
LaJoie Nap 1936
Lange Bill 1936
Lanier Hal 1987
Lansford Carney 2002
Larkin Henry 1936
Larkin Barry 2009
Larsen Don 1974
Latham Arlie 1936
Lavagetto Cookie 1957
Law Vern 1975
Lazzeri Tony 1948
Leach Tommy 1936
Leach Freddy 1942
Lee Bill 1954
Lee Bill (Spaceman) 1991
Leever Sam 1936
Lemon Bob 1965
Lemon Chet 2000
Leonard Buck 1952
Leonard Emil (Dutch) 1954
Leonard Dennis 1996
Lewis Duffy 1936
Linares Omar 2012
Lindstrom Freddie 1950
Lloyd Pop 1936
Lobert Hans 1936
Lockman Whitey 1971
Lolich Mickey 1985
Lombardi Ernie 1953
Lonborg Jim 1987
Long Herman 1936
Lopat Ed 1963
Lopes Davey 1990
Lopez Al 1953
Lowe Bobby 1936
Lowenstein John 1992
Lucas Red 1947
Lundy Dick 1943
Luque Dolf 1936
Luzinski Greg 1995
Lyle Sparky 1989
Lynn Fred 1997
Lyons Denny 1936
Lyons Ted 1945
Mackey Biz 1948
Madlock Bill 1996
Magee Sherry 1936
Maglie Sal 1962
Maloney Jim 1985
Mancuso Gus 1950
Mantle Mickey 1976
Manush Heinie 1946
Maranville Rabbit 1936
Marberry Firpo 1943
Marichal Juan 1982
Marion Marty 1962
Maris Roger 1979
Marquard Rube 1936
Marshall Mike G. 1988
Martin Pepper 1949
Martin Morrie 1967
Martinez Dennis 2000
Martinez Edgar 2008
Mathews Bobby 1936
Mathews Eddie 1976
Mathewson Christy 1936
Mattingly Don 2006
May Lee 1988
Mays Carl 1936
Mays Willie 1976
Mazeroski Bill 1981
McAleer Jimmy 1936
McCarthy Tommy 1936
McCarver Tim 1986
McCormick Jim 1936
McCormick Frank 1956
McCovey Willie 1983
McDaniel Lindy 1980
McDougald Gil 1973
McDowell Jack 2011
McGinnity Joe 1936
McGowan Bill 1941
McGraw John 1936
McGraw Tug 1989
McGriff Fred 2008
McGwire Mark 2008
McInnis Stuffy 1936
McLain Denny 1989
McLean Larry 1936
McMahon Don 1975
McManus Marty 1945
McMillan Roy 1974
McNally Dave 1987
McPhee Bid 1936
McVey Cal 1936
Meadows Lee 1939
Medwick Joe 1956
Mendez Jose 1936
Messersmith Andy 1990
Meusel Bob 1941
Miksis Eddie 1971
Milan Clyde 1936
Millan Felix 1988
Miller Dots 1936
Miller Bing 1939
Miller Hack 1939
Minoso Minnie 1970
Mitchell Kevin 2007
Mize Johnny 1958
Molitor Paul 2001
Monday Rick 1990
Money Don 1992
Montgomery Jeff 2007
Moon Wally 1975
Moore Dobie 1938
Moore Jo-Jo 1953
Moore Terry 1957
Moran Pat 1936
Morgan Joe 1988
Morris Jack 2000
Morris Hal 2010
Moses Wally 1955
Mostil Johnny 1941
Mota Manny 1983
Mulcahy Hugh 1958
Mullane Tony 1936
Mungo Van 1956
Munson Thurman 1981
Murcer Bobby 1991
Murphy Danny 1936
Murphy Dale 2001
Murray Red 1936
Murray Eddie 2001
Musial Stan 1965
Myer Buddy 1949
Myers Randy 2007
Nagashima Shigeo 1981
Nehf Art 1937
Nen Robb 2014
Nettles Graig 1989
Newcombe Don 1971
Newhouser Hal 1966
Newsom Bobo 1954
Nichols Kid 1936
Nicholson Bill 1959
Niekro Phil 1988
Niekro Joe 1989
Nomura Katsuya 1981
Northey Ron 1965
Northrup Jim 1984
Ochiai Hiromitsu 1999
O'Doul Lefty 1942
Oeschger Joe 1937
O'Farrell Bob 1941
Oh Sadaharu 1985
O'Leary Charlie 1936
Olerud John 2013
Oliva Tony 1983
Oliver Al 1991
Oms Alejandro 1940
O'Neill Tip 1936
O'Neill Steve 1936
O'Neill Buck 1956
O'Neill Paul 2008
O'Rourke Jim 1936
Orr Dave 1936
Osteen Claude 1984
Ott Mel 1954
Pabor Charlie 1936
Pafko Andy 1966
Paige Satchel 1954
Palmeiro Rafael 2009
Palmer Jim 1990
Pappas Milt 1984
Parker Dave 1996
Parrish Larry 1998
Parrish Lance 2001
Pascual Camilo 1979
Paskert Dode 1936
Pearce Dickey 1936
Pearson Monte 1953
Peckinpaugh Roger 1936
Peitz Heinie 1936
Pena Tony 2002
Pendleton Terry 2005
Pennock Herb 1939
Perdue Hub 1936
Perez Tony 1987
Perkins Cy 1941
Perranoski Ron 1981
Perry Jim 1980
Perry Gaylord 1984
Pesky Johnny 1964
Petrocelli Rico 1988
Phillippe Deacon 1936
Phillips Tony 2004
Piazza Mike 2013
Pierce Billy 1972
Pike Lip 1936
Piniella Lou 1988
Pinson Vada 1983
Pipp Wally 1938
Plank Eddie 1936
Podres Johnny 1977
Poles Spotswood 1936
Porterfield Bob 1968
Powell Boog 1986
Power Vic 1972
Pruett Hub 1945
Puckett Kirby 2005
Puhl Terry 2001
Quinn Jack 1936
Quisenberry Dan 1998
Radbourn Charlie 1936
Raines Tim 2004
Randolph Willie 1999
Raschi Vic 1964
Raymond Bugs 1936
Reardon Jeff 2000
Redding Dick 1936
Reese Pee Wee 1963
Reiser Pete 1964
Remsen Jack 1936
Remy Jerry 1997
Reuschel Rick 1994
Reynolds Allie 1962
Rice Sam 1936
Rice Del 1967
Rice Jim 1998
Richard J R 1995
Richardson Hardy 1936
Richardson Bobby 1980
Righetti Dave 2003
Rijo Jose 2010
Ring Jimmy 1940
Ripken, Jr. Cal 2005
Ritchey Claude 1936
Rivers Mickey 1993
Rixey Eppa 1936
Rizzuto Phil 1961
Roberts Robin 1971
Robertson Dave 1936
Robinson Jackie 1964
Robinson Frank 1980
Robinson Brooks 1982
Roe Preacher 1960
Rogan Bullet Joe 1939
Rolfe Red 1953
Rommel Eddie 1942
Root Charlie 1944
Rose Pete 1987
Rosen Al 1969
Roush Edd 1938
Rowe Schoolboy 1955
Rucker Nap 1936
Rudolph Dick 1936
Ruel Muddy 1941
Ruffing Red 1950
Rusie Amos 1936
Russell Bill 1993
Ruth Babe 1940
Ryan Nolan 1994
Ryan Jimmy 1936
Saberhagen Bret 2009
Sadecki Ray 1985
Sain Johnny 1962
Samuel Juan 2005
Sandberg Ryne 2004
Sanguillen Manny 1989
Santo Ron 1985
Santop Louis 1936
Sauer Hank 1962
Sax Steve 2005
Schacht Al 1937
Schaefer Germany 1936
Schalk Ray 1937
Schang Wally 1936
Schmidt Mike 1994
Schoendienst Red 1968
Schreckengost Ossie 1936
Schulte Frank 1936
Schumacher Hal 1955
Scott Everett 1937
Scott Jack 1937
Scott George 1994
Scott Mike 2000
Seaver Tom 1989
Selkirk George 1953
Severeid Hank 1936
Sewell Joe 1943
Sewell Luke 1946
Sewell Rip 1952
Seymour Cy 1936
Shantz Bobby 1970
Sheckard Jimmy 1936
Sherdel Bill 1941
Shocker Urban 1936
Short Chris 1982
Siebert Sonny 1982
Sievers Roy 1971
Simmons Al 1947
Simmons Curt 1974
Simmons Ted 1994
Singleton Ken 1992
Sisler George 1938
Sisti Sibby 1965
Slaughter Enos 1961
Smalley Roy 1997
Smith Sherry 1936
Smith Earl 1942
Smith Hilton 1952
Smith Reggie 1990
Smith Ozzie 1999
Smith Lonnie 2000
Smith Lee 2002
Snider Duke 1971
Sosa Sammy 2013
Spahn Warren 1966
Sparks Tully 1936
Speaker Tris 1936
Speier Chris 1995
Stahl Jake 1936
Stanky Eddie 1961
Stanley Mickey 1987
Starffin Victor 1959
Stargell Willie 1985
Start Joe 1936
Staub Rusty 1989
Stearnes Turkey 1946
Steinbach Terry 2007
Steinfeldt Harry 1936
Stephens Vern 1965
Stephenson Riggs 1943
Stewart Dave 2002
Stieb Dave 2002
Stottlemyre Mel 1986
Stottlemyre Todd 2010
Stovey Harry 1936
Strawberry Darryl 2007
Street Gabby 1936
Suhr Gus 1951
Sukeforth Clyde 1946
Sullivan Billy 1955
Sundberg Jim 1996
Sutcliffe Rick 2001
Sutter Bruce 1998
Suttles Mule 1945
Sutton Ezra 1936
Sutton Don 1990
Sweeney Bill 1936
Tannehill Jesse 1936
Tartabull Danny 2007
Taylor Ben 1936
Tebbetts Birdie 1957
Tekulve Kent 1992
Templeton Garry 2001
Tenace Gene 1991
Tenney Fred 1936
Terry Bill 1943
Thevenow Tommy 1948
Thomas Ira 1936
Thompson Sam 1936
Thomson Bobby 1968
Thornton Andre 1994
Tiant Luis 1985
Tiernan Mike 1936
Tinker Joe 1936
Tobin Jim 1957
Toney Fred 1936
Torgeson Earl 1969
Torre Joe 1985
Torrez Mike 1991
Torriente Cristobal 1938
Trammell Alan 2003
Traynor Pie 1943
Trouppe Quincy 1957
Trout Dizzy 1960
Trucks Virgil 1962
Tudor John 1999
Turner Terry 1936
Uhle George 1943
Valentine Ellis 1999
Valenzuela Fernando 2005
Valo Elmer 1966
Van Haltren George 1936
Vance Dazzy 1936
Vander Meer Johnny 1959
Vaughan Arky 1954
Veach Bobby 1936
Vernon Mickey 1963
Viola Frank 2005
Virdon Bill 1976
Waddell Rube 1936
Wagner Honus 1936
Walberg Rube 1941
Walker Dixie 1955
Walker Harry 1961
Walker Larry 2011
Wallace Bobby 1936
Wallach Tim 2002
Walsh Ed 1936
Walters Bucky 1954
Wambsganss Bill 1939
Waner Paul 1948
Waner Lloyd 1951
Ward John M. 1936
Warfield Frank 1936
Warneke Lon 1954
Watson Bob 1991
Weiss Walt 2008
Welch Mickey 1936
Welch Bob 2001
Wells Willie 1953
Wells David 2008
Werber Billy 1953
Wertz Vic 1970
West Sam 1949
Westrum Wes 1967
Wetteland John 2011
Wheat Zack 1936
Whitaker Lou 2002
White Deacon 1936
White Sol 1936
White Will 1936
White Frank 1995
Whitehead Burgess 1955
Whitehill Earl 1944
Wilhelm Hoyt 1973
Williams Cy 1936
Williams Ken 1936
Williams Smoky Joe 1936
Williams Ted 1963
Williams Billy 1983
Williams Bernie 2013
Williamson Ned 1936
Willis Vic 1936
Wills Maury 1977
Wilson Hack 1945
Wilson Jimmie 1945
Wilson Jud 1946
Wilson Jim 1967
Wilson Willie 2000
Winfield Dave 1996
Witt Whitey 1940
Wood Joe 1936
Wood Wilbur 1986
Wright George 1936
Wright Glenn 1946
Wyatt Whit 1952
Wynn Early 1965
Wynn Jimmy 1987
Yamamoto Koji 1991
Yastrzemski Carl 1984
Yeager Steve 1993
Yerkes Steve 1936
York Rudy 1958
Young Cy 1936
Young Pep 1952
Youngs Ross 1936
Yount Robin 2000
Zachary Tom 1941
Zimmer Chief 1936

[jalbright]

Now the players list presented by first year of eligibility:



Adams Babe 1936
Alexander Pete 1936
Altrock Nick 1936
Anson Cap 1936
Archer Jimmy 1936
Austin Jimmy 1936
Baker Frank 1936
Bancroft Dave 1936
Barnes Ross 1936
Barry Jack 1936
Battin Joe 1936
Beaumont Ginger 1936
Beckley Jake 1936
Bender Chief 1936
Bennett Charlie 1936
Bergen Marty 1936
Bodie Ping 1936
Bond Tommy 1936
Bradley Bill 1936
Breitenstein Ted 1936
Bresnahan Roger 1936
Brouthers Dan 1936
Brown Mordecai 1936
Browning Pete 1936
Burkett Jesse 1936
Burns George 1936
Bush Donie 1936
Cadore Leon 1936
Camnitz Howie 1936
Carey Max 1936
Carrigan Bill 1936
Caruthers Bob 1936
Chance Frank 1936
Chapman Ray 1936
Chase Hal 1936
Chesbro Jack 1936
Childs Cupid 1936
Cicotte Eddie 1936
Clarke Fred 1936
Clarkson John 1936
Coakley Andy 1936
Cobb Ty 1936
Collins Eddie 1936
Collins Jimmy 1936
Collins Shano 1936
Connor Roger 1936
Conroy Wid 1936
Coombs Jack 1936
Coveleski Stan 1936
Crandall Doc 1936
Cravath Gavvy 1936
Crawford Sam 1936
Creighton Jim 1936
Criger Lou 1936
Cross Lave 1936
Cruise Walt 1936
Cummings Candy 1936
Dahlen Bill 1936
Daubert Jake 1936
Davis George 1936
Davis Harry 1936
Delahanty Ed 1936
Dinneen Bill 1936
Doak Bill 1936
Donlin Mike 1936
Donovan Bill 1936
Dooin Red 1936
Doyle Jack 1936
Doyle Larry 1936
Duffy Hugh 1936
Dunlap Fred 1936
Elberfeld Kid 1936
Ens Jewel 1936
Evers Johnny 1936
Ewing Buck 1936
Faber Red 1936
Falkenberg Cy 1936
Fletcher Art 1936
Flick Elmer 1936
Foster Eddie 1936
Foster Rube 1936
Fraser Chick 1936
Galvin Pud 1936
Glasscock Jack 1936
Gleason Kid 1936
Gonzalez Mike 1936
Gore George 1936
Gowdy Hank 1936
Grant Eddie 1936
Grant Frank 1936
Griffith Clark 1936
Groh Heinie 1936
Hahn Noodles 1936
Hamilton Billy 1936
Herzog Buck 1936
Hill Pete 1936
Hinchman Bill 1936
Hines Paul 1936
Hooper Harry 1936
Huggins Miller 1936
Irwin Charlie 1936
Jackson Joe 1936
Jennings Hughie 1936
Johnson Home Run 1936
Johnson Walter 1936
Jones Charley 1936
Jones Fielder 1936
Jordan Tim 1936
Joss Addie 1936
Keefe Tim 1936
Keeler Willie 1936
Kelley Joe 1936
Kelly King 1936
Killefer Bill 1936
Kilroy Matt 1936
Kling Johnny 1936
Knabe Otto 1936
LaJoie Nap 1936
Lange Bill 1936
Larkin Henry 1936
Latham Arlie 1936
Leach Tommy 1936
Leever Sam 1936
Lewis Duffy 1936
Lloyd Pop 1936
Lobert Hans 1936
Long Herman 1936
Lowe Bobby 1936
Luque Dolf 1936
Lyons Denny 1936
Magee Sherry 1936
Maranville Rabbit 1936
Marquard Rube 1936
Mathews Bobby 1936
Mathewson Christy 1936
Mays Carl 1936
McAleer Jimmy 1936
McCarthy Tommy 1936
McCormick Jim 1936
McGinnity Joe 1936
McGraw John 1936
McInnis Stuffy 1936
McLean Larry 1936
McPhee Bid 1936
McVey Cal 1936
Mendez Jose 1936
Milan Clyde 1936
Miller Dots 1936
Moran Pat 1936
Mullane Tony 1936
Murphy Danny 1936
Murray Red 1936
Nichols Kid 1936
O'Leary Charlie 1936
O'Neill Tip 1936
O'Neill Steve 1936
O'Rourke Jim 1936
Orr Dave 1936
Pabor Charlie 1936
Paskert Dode 1936
Pearce Dickey 1936
Peckinpaugh Roger 1936
Peitz Heinie 1936
Perdue Hub 1936
Phillippe Deacon 1936
Pike Lip 1936
Plank Eddie 1936
Poles Spotswood 1936
Quinn Jack 1936
Radbourn Charlie 1936
Raymond Bugs 1936
Redding Dick 1936
Remsen Jack 1936
Rice Sam 1936
Richardson Hardy 1936
Ritchey Claude 1936
Rixey Eppa 1936
Robertson Dave 1936
Rucker Nap 1936
Rudolph Dick 1936
Rusie Amos 1936
Ryan Jimmy 1936
Santop Louis 1936
Schaefer Germany 1936
Schang Wally 1936
Schreckengost Ossie 1936
Schulte Frank 1936
Severeid Hank 1936
Seymour Cy 1936
Sheckard Jimmy 1936
Shocker Urban 1936
Smith Sherry 1936
Sparks Tully 1936
Speaker Tris 1936
Stahl Jake 1936
Start Joe 1936
Steinfeldt Harry 1936
Stovey Harry 1936
Street Gabby 1936
Sutton Ezra 1936
Sweeney Bill 1936
Tannehill Jesse 1936
Taylor Ben 1936
Tenney Fred 1936
Thomas Ira 1936
Thompson Sam 1936
Tiernan Mike 1936
Tinker Joe 1936
Toney Fred 1936
Turner Terry 1936
Van Haltren George 1936
Vance Dazzy 1936
Veach Bobby 1936
Waddell Rube 1936
Wagner Honus 1936
Wallace Bobby 1936
Walsh Ed 1936
Ward John M. 1936
Warfield Frank 1936
Welch Mickey 1936
Wheat Zack 1936
White Deacon 1936
White Sol 1936
White Will 1936
Williams Cy 1936
Williams Ken 1936
Williams Smoky Joe 1936
Williamson Ned 1936
Willis Vic 1936
Wood Joe 1936
Wright George 1936
Yerkes Steve 1936
Young Cy 1936
Youngs Ross 1936
Zimmer Chief 1936

Bush Joe 1937
Cooper Wilbur 1937
Hargrave Bubbles 1937
Jones Sam P. 1937
Nehf Art 1937
Oeschger Joe 1937
Schacht Al 1937
Schalk Ray 1937
Scott Everett 1937
Scott Jack 1937

Grimes Burleigh 1938
Haines Jesse 1938
Kerr Dickie 1938
Kremer Ray 1938
Moore Dobie 1938
Pipp Wally 1938
Roush Edd 1938
Sisler George 1938
Torriente Cristobal 1938

Adams Sparky 1939
Ehmke Howard 1939
Heilmann Harry 1939
Judge Joe 1939
Meadows Lee 1939
Miller Bing 1939
Miller Hack 1939
Pennock Herb 1939
Rogan Bullet Joe 1939
Wambsganss Bill 1939

Bigbee Carson 1940
Oms Alejandro 1940
Ring Jimmy 1940
Ruth Babe 1940
Witt Whitey 1940

Blades Ray 1941
Boley Joe 1941
Dykes Jimmy 1941
Harris Bucky 1941
Hornsby Rogers 1941
McGowan Bill 1941
Meusel Bob 1941
Mostil Johnny 1941
O'Farrell Bob 1941
Perkins Cy 1941
Ruel Muddy 1941
Sherdel Bill 1941
Walberg Rube 1941
Zachary Tom 1941

Benton Larry 1942
Blue Lu 1942
Charleston Oscar 1942
Dugan Joe 1942
Leach Freddy 1942
O'Doul Lefty 1942
Rommel Eddie 1942
Smith Earl 1942

Cooper Andy 1943
Cuyler Kiki 1943
Frisch Frankie 1943
Gehrig Lou 1943
Grimm Charlie 1943
Jackman Will 1943
Lundy Dick 1943
Marberry Firpo 1943
Sewell Joe 1943
Stephenson Riggs 1943
Terry Bill 1943
Traynor Pie 1943
Uhle George 1943

Arlett Buzz 1944
Bishop Max 1944
Combs Earle 1944
Crowder Al 1944
Fonseca Lew 1944
Hoyt Waite 1944
Root Charlie 1944
Whitehill Earl 1944

Bluege Ossie 1945
Bottomley Jim 1945
Critz Hughie 1945
Earnshaw George 1945
Elliott Jumbo 1945
Goslin Goose 1945
Grantham George 1945
Grove Lefty 1945
Hartnett Gabby 1945
Johnson Judy 1945
Kamm Willie 1945
Lyons Ted 1945
McManus Marty 1945
Pruett Hub 1945
Suttles Mule 1945
Wilson Hack 1945
Wilson Jimmie 1945

Bush Guy 1946
Fitzsimmons Freddie 1946
Manush Heinie 1946
Sewell Luke 1946
Stearnes Turkey 1946
Sukeforth Clyde 1946
Wilson Jud 1946
Wright Glenn 1946

Averill Earl 1947
Beckwith John 1947
Berg Moe 1947
Berry Charlie 1947
Clark Watty 1947
Hallahan Bill 1947
Lucas Red 1947
Simmons Al 1947

Bell Cool Papa 1948
Cochrane Mickey 1948
Davis Curt 1948
Gehringer Charlie 1948
Haas Mule 1948
Hafey Chick 1948
Herman Babe 1948
Hubbell Carl 1948
Lazzeri Tony 1948
Mackey Biz 1948
Thevenow Tommy 1948
Waner Paul 1948

Cissell Bill 1949
Davis Spud 1949
Foster Willie 1949
Gibson Josh 1949
Klein Chuck 1949
Martin Pepper 1949
Myer Buddy 1949
West Sam 1949

Berger Wally 1950
Dihigo Martin 1950
Ferrell Rick 1950
Johnson Bob 1950
Lindstrom Freddie 1950
Mancuso Gus 1950
Ruffing Red 1950

Bridges Tommy 1951
Cepeda Perucho 1951
Cronin Joe 1951
Derringer Paul 1951
Gelbert Charlie 1951
Harris Vic 1951
Kuhel Joe 1951
Suhr Gus 1951
Waner Lloyd 1951

Appling Luke 1952
Bartell Dick 1952
Camilli Dolph 1952
Chandler Spud 1952
Cuccinello Tony 1952
Dickey Bill 1952
Foxx Jimmie 1952
Kress Red 1952
Leonard Buck 1952
Sewell Rip 1952
Smith Hilton 1952
Wyatt Whit 1952
Young Pep 1952

Brown Ray 1953
Chapman Ben 1953
Ferrell Wes 1953
Gomez Lefty 1953
Jurges Billy 1953
Lombardi Ernie 1953
Lopez Al 1953
Moore Jo-Jo 1953
Pearson Monte 1953
Rolfe Red 1953
Selkirk George 1953
Wells Willie 1953
Werber Billy 1953

Allen Johnny 1954
Hack Stan 1954
Harder Mel 1954
Herman Billy 1954
Higgins Mike 1954
Lee Bill 1954
Leonard Emil (Dutch) 1954
Newsom Bobo 1954
Ott Mel 1954
Paige Satchel 1954
Vaughan Arky 1954
Walters Bucky 1954
Warneke Lon 1954

Crosetti Frankie 1955
Dean Dizzy 1955
Moses Wally 1955
Rowe Schoolboy 1955
Schumacher Hal 1955
Sullivan Billy 1955
Walker Dixie 1955
Whitehead Burgess 1955

Danning Harry 1956
Greenberg Hank 1956
McCormick Frank 1956
Medwick Joe 1956
Mungo Van 1956
O'Neill Buck 1956

Galan Augie 1957
Lavagetto Cookie 1957
Moore Terry 1957
Tebbetts Birdie 1957
Tobin Jim 1957
Trouppe Quincy 1957

Clarkson Bus 1958
Cooper Mort 1958
Dandridge Ray 1958
Henrich Tommy 1958
Kawakami Tetsuharu 1958
Mize Johnny 1958
Mulcahy Hugh 1958
York Rudy 1958

Brecheen Harry 1959
DiMaggio Joe 1959
Kinder Ellis 1959
Nicholson Bill 1959
Starffin Victor 1959
Vander Meer Johnny 1959

Brown Willard 1960
Case George 1960
Cooper Walker 1960
Gordon Joe 1960
Roe Preacher 1960
Trout Dizzy 1960

Cavaretta Phil 1961
Chapman Sam 1961
Day Leon 1961
Elliott Bob 1961
Keller Charlie 1961
Keltner Ken 1961
Rizzuto Phil 1961
Slaughter Enos 1961
Stanky Eddie 1961
Walker Harry 1961

Boudreau Lou 1962
DiMaggio Dom 1962
Holmes Tommy 1962
Maglie Sal 1962
Marion Marty 1962
Reynolds Allie 1962
Sain Johnny 1962
Sauer Hank 1962
Trucks Virgil 1962

Doerr Bobby 1963
Feller Bob 1963
Grissom Marb 1963
Hoy Dummy 1963
Lopat Ed 1963
Reese Pee Wee 1963
Vernon Mickey 1963
Williams Ted 1963

Cox Billy 1964
Edwards Hank 1964
Grove Orval 1964
Hutchinson Fred 1964
Irvin Monte 1964
Pesky Johnny 1964
Raschi Vic 1964
Reiser Pete 1964
Robinson Jackie 1964

Gromek Steve 1965
Gustine Frank 1965
Hegan Jim 1965
Lemon Bob 1965
Musial Stan 1965
Northey Ron 1965
Sisti Sibby 1965
Stephens Vern 1965
Wynn Early 1965

Adams Bobby 1966
Campanella Roy 1966
Hearn Jim 1966
Newhouser Hal 1966
Pafko Andy 1966
Spahn Warren 1966
Valo Elmer 1966

Bauer Hank 1967
Bessho Akira 1967
Blackwell Ewell 1967
Dark Alvin 1967
Furillo Carl 1967
Hatton Grady 1967
Kell George 1967
Kiner Ralph 1967
Martin Morrie 1967
Rice Del 1967
Westrum Wes 1967
Wilson Jim 1967

Doby Larry 1968
Dropo Walt 1968
Hemus Solly 1968
Kuzava Bob 1968
Porterfield Bob 1968
Schoendienst Red 1968
Thomson Bobby 1968

Hodges Gil 1969
Kluszewski Ted 1969
Rosen Al 1969
Torgeson Earl 1969

Berra Yogi 1970
Bruton Bill 1970
Ennis Del 1970
Garver Ned 1970
Haddix Harvey 1970
Minoso Minnie 1970
Shantz Bobby 1970
Wertz Vic 1970

Burdette Lew 1971
Erskine Carl 1971
Lockman Whitey 1971
Miksis Eddie 1971
Newcombe Don 1971
Roberts Robin 1971
Sievers Roy 1971
Snider Duke 1971

Ashburn Richie 1972
Burgess Smoky 1972
Courtney Clint 1972
Fox Nellie 1972
Houtteman Art 1972
Jensen Jackie 1972
Pierce Billy 1972
Power Vic 1972

Carrasquel Chico 1973
Face Roy 1973
Ford Whitey 1973
McDougald Gil 1973
Wilhelm Hoyt 1973

Howard Elston 1974
Larsen Don 1974
McMillan Roy 1974
Simmons Curt 1974

Clemente Roberto 1975
Cramer Del 1975
Groat Dick 1975
Kuenn Harvey 1975
Law Vern 1975
McMahon Don 1975
Moon Wally 1975

Banks Ernie 1976
Boyer Ken 1976
Bunning Jim 1976
Mantle Mickey 1976
Mathews Eddie 1976
Mays Willie 1976
Virdon Bill 1976

Podres Johnny 1977
Wills Maury 1977

Colavito Rocky 1978
Kaneda Masaichi 1978

Aaron Hank 1979
Aparicio Luis 1979
Cash Norm 1979
Kaline Al 1979
Koyama Masaaki 1979
Maris Roger 1979
Pascual Camilo 1979

Alou Felipe 1980
Gibson Bob 1980
Koufax Sandy 1980
McDaniel Lindy 1980
Perry Jim 1980
Richardson Bobby 1980
Robinson Frank 1980

Drysdale Don 1981
Howard Frank 1981
Killebrew Harmon 1981
Mazeroski Bill 1981
Munson Thurman 1981
Nagashima Shigeo 1981
Nomura Katsuya 1981
Perranoski Ron 1981

Boyer Clete 1982
Brewer Jim 1982
Cepeda Orlando 1982
Hickman Jim 1982
Inao Kazuhisa 1982
Marichal Juan 1982
Robinson Brooks 1982
Short Chris 1982
Siebert Sonny 1982

Alou Matty 1983
Cardenas Leo 1983
Fairly Ron 1983
Flood Curt 1983
McCovey Willie 1983
Mota Manny 1983
Oliva Tony 1983
Pinson Vada 1983
Williams Billy 1983

Brock Lou 1984
Brown Gates 1984
Callison Johnny 1984
Carty Rico 1984
Davis Tommy 1984
Giusti Dave 1984
Kaat Jim 1984
Northrup Jim 1984
Osteen Claude 1984
Pappas Milt 1984
Perry Gaylord 1984
Yastrzemski Carl 1984

Beckert Glenn 1985
Harimoto Isao 1985
Lolich Mickey 1985
Maloney Jim 1985
Oh Sadaharu 1985
Sadecki Ray 1985
Santo Ron 1985
Stargell Willie 1985
Tiant Luis 1985
Torre Joe 1985

Carroll Clay 1986
Freehan Bill 1986
Helms Tommy 1986
McCarver Tim 1986
Powell Boog 1986
Stottlemyre Mel 1986
Wood Wilbur 1986

Allen Dick 1987
Alou Jesus 1987
Bailey Bob 1987
Blass Steve 1987
Campaneris Bert 1987
Fregosi Jim 1987
Horton Willie 1987
Jenkins Fergie 1987
Kessinger Don 1987
Koosman Jerry 1987
Lanier Hal 1987
Lonborg Jim 1987
McNally Dave 1987
Perez Tony 1987
Rose Pete 1987
Stanley Mickey 1987
Wynn Jimmy 1987

Billingham Jack 1988
Cardenal Jose 1988
Hiller John 1988
Johnson Davey 1988
Marshall Mike G. 1988
May Lee 1988
Millan Felix 1988
Morgan Joe 1988
Niekro Phil 1988
Petrocelli Rico 1988
Piniella Lou 1988

Bando Sal 1989
Belanger Mark 1989
Bibby Jim 1989
Blair Paul 1989
Carlton Steve 1989
Harrelson Bud 1989
Jackson Sonny 1989
Lyle Sparky 1989
McGraw Tug 1989
McLain Denny 1989
Nettles Graig 1989
Niekro Joe 1989
Sanguillen Manny 1989
Seaver Tom 1989
Staub Rusty 1989

Bowa Larry 1990
Carew Rod 1990
Ellis Dock 1990
Holtzman Ken 1990
John Tommy 1990
Lopes Davey 1990
Messersmith Andy 1990
Monday Rick 1990
Palmer Jim 1990
Smith Reggie 1990
Sutton Don 1990

Bonds Bobby 1991
Fingers Rollie 1991
Hunter Catfish 1991
Jackson Reggie 1991
Lee Bill (Spaceman) 1991
Murcer Bobby 1991
Oliver Al 1991
Tenace Gene 1991
Torrez Mike 1991
Watson Bob 1991
Yamamoto Koji 1991

Bench Johnny 1992
Boone Bob 1992
Cruz Jose 1992
Evans Darrell 1992
Hebner Richie 1992
Lowenstein John 1992
Money Don 1992
Singleton Ken 1992
Tekulve Kent 1992

Campbell Bill 1993
Cash Dave 1993
Cey Ron 1993
Concepcion Dave 1993
Enatsu Yutaka 1993
Foster George 1993
Garvey Steve 1993
Harrah Toby 1993
Jorgenson Mike 1993
Kingman Dave 1993
Rivers Mickey 1993
Russell Bill 1993
Yeager Steve 1993

Baker Dusty 1994
Baylor Don 1994
Blue Vida 1994
Buckner Bill 1994
Dempsey Rick 1994
Fisk Carlton 1994
Garner Phil 1994
Grich Bobby 1994
Hargrove Mike 1994
Hrabosky Al 1994
Reuschel Rick 1994
Ryan Nolan 1994
Schmidt Mike 1994
Scott George 1994
Simmons Ted 1994
Thornton Andre 1994

DeCinces Doug 1995
Downing Brian 1995
Forsch Bob 1995
Griffey, Sr. Ken 1995
Guidry Ron 1995
Hooton Burt 1995
Hough Charlie 1995
Luzinski Greg 1995
Richard J R 1995
Speier Chris 1995
White Frank 1995

Bell Buddy 1996
Blyleven Bert 1996
Burroughs Jeff 1996
Cedeno Cesar 1996
Dent Bucky 1996
Evans Dwight 1996
Flanagan Mike 1996
Gossage Goose 1996
Leonard Dennis 1996
Madlock Bill 1996
Parker Dave 1996
Sundberg Jim 1996
Winfield Dave 1996

Denny John 1997
Knight Ray 1997
Krukow Mike 1997
Lynn Fred 1997
Remy Jerry 1997
Smalley Roy 1997

Brett George 1998
Candelaria John 1998
Hernandez Keith 1998
Parrish Larry 1998
Quisenberry Dan 1998
Rice Jim 1998
Sutter Bruce 1998

Carter Gary 1999
Dawson Andre 1999
Eckersley Dennis 1999
Hernandez Willie 1999
Honeycutt Rick 1999
Ochiai Hiromitsu 1999
Randolph Willie 1999
Smith Ozzie 1999
Tudor John 1999
Valentine Ellis 1999

Clark Jack 2000
Lemon Chet 2000
Martinez Dennis 2000
Morris Jack 2000
Reardon Jeff 2000
Scott Mike 2000
Smith Lonnie 2000
Wilson Willie 2000
Yount Robin 2000

Guerrero Pedro 2001
Kennedy Terry 2001
Molitor Paul 2001
Murphy Dale 2001
Murray Eddie 2001
Parrish Lance 2001
Puhl Terry 2001
Sutcliffe Rick 2001
Templeton Garry 2001
Welch Bob 2001

Bedrosian Steve 2002
Butler Brett 2002
Candiotti Tom 2002
Gibson Kirk 2002
Henke Tom 2002
Jones Doug 2002
Lansford Carney 2002
Pena Tony 2002
Smith Lee 2002
Stewart Dave 2002
Stieb Dave 2002
Wallach Tim 2002
Whitaker Lou 2002

Boggs Wade 2003
Gaetti Gary 2003
Henderson Dave 2003
Hershiser Orel 2003
Hurst Bruce 2003
Righetti Dave 2003
Trammell Alan 2003

Baines Harold 2004
Bell George 2004
Eisenreich Jim 2004
Gullickson Bill 2004
Henderson Rickey 2004
Kile Darryl 2004
Phillips Tony 2004
Raines Tim 2004
Sandberg Ryne 2004

Browning Tom 2005
Carter Joe 2005
Darling Ron 2005
Davis Chili 2005
Davis Mark 2005
Deshaies Jim 2005
Gwynn Tony 2005
Hrbek Kent 2005
Pendleton Terry 2005
Puckett Kirby 2005
Ripken, Jr. Cal 2005
Samuel Juan 2005
Sax Steve 2005
Valenzuela Fernando 2005
Viola Frank 2005

Aguilera Rick 2006
Caminiti Ken 2006
Coleman Vince 2006
Franco John 2006
Galarraga Andres 2006
Key Jimmy 2006
Kruk John 2006
Mattingly Don 2006

Daulton Darren 2007
Davis Eric 2007
Drabek Doug 2007
Fernandez Sid 2007
Fernandez Tony 2007
Finley Chuck 2007
Mitchell Kevin 2007
Montgomery Jeff 2007
Myers Randy 2007
Steinbach Terry 2007
Strawberry Darryl 2007
Tartabull Danny 2007

Bichette Dante 2008
Bonilla Bobby 2008
Clemens Roger 2008
Dunston Shawon 2008
Dykstra Lenny 2008
Fielder Cecil 2008
Greenwell Mike 2008
Martinez Edgar 2008
McGriff Fred 2008
McGwire Mark 2008
O'Neill Paul 2008
Weiss Walt 2008
Wells David 2008

Beck Rod 2009
Bonds Barry 2009
Buhner Jay 2009
Canseco Jose 2009
Clark Will 2009
Gooden Dwight 2009
Grace Mark 2009
Guillen Ozzie 2009
Larkin Barry 2009
Palmeiro Rafael 2009
Saberhagen Bret 2009

Biggio Craig 2010
Brown Kevin 2010
Morris Hal 2010
Rijo Jose 2010
Stottlemyre Todd 2010
Belle Albert 2011

Justice David 2011
McDowell Jack 2011
Walker Larry 2011
Wetteland John 2011

Abbott Jim 2012
Jefferies Gregg 2012
Linares Omar 2012

Alomar Roberto 2013
Bagwell Jeff 2013
Knoblauch Chuck 2013
Olerud John 2013
Piazza Mike 2013
Sosa Sammy 2013
Williams Bernie 2013

Fryman Travis 2014
Nen Robb 2014

[jalbright]

The contributor list, given alphabetically:



Abe Iso 1936
Adams Doc 1936
Allen Mel 1978
Alou Felipe 2000
Alston Walter 1976
Anderson Sparky 1999
Anson Cap 1936
Ashburn Richie 1992
Ashford Emmett 1979
Autry Gene 1972
Baker Dusty 2014
Bancroft Frank 1936
Barber Red 1973
Barlick Al 1980
Barrow Ed 1936
Baylor Don 2014
Berger Sy 1989
Bolden Ed 1946
Boone Bob 2012
Boudreau Lou 1982
Bouton Jim 2004
Bowa Larry 2010
Brickhouse Jack 1981
Buck Jack 1989
Bulkely Morgan 1936
Burns Ken 2018
Busch Augie 1964
Cambria Joe 1955
Campbell Jim 1989
Canel Buck 1971
Caray Harry 1979
Caray Skip 2004
Carrigan Bill 1948
Cartwright Alexander 1936
Caylor O. P. 1943
Chadwick Harry 1936
Chance Frank 1936
Chandler Happy 1963
Charleston Oscar 1956
Chylak Nestor 1984
Clarke Fred 1937
Cochrane Mickey 1964
Commiskey Charlie 1936
Conlan Charles 1936
Conlon Jocko 1964
Connolly Tom 1936
Cooper Andy 1943
Cox Bobby 2006
Creighton Jim 1936
Cummings Candy 1936
Dark Alvin 1987
Davids Bob 1991
Dean Dizzy 1975
Dihigo Martin 1970
Dinneen Bill 1943
Doby Larry 1988
Doubleday Abner 1943
Doucet Jacques 2005
Dreyfuss Barney 1936
Drysdale Don 1995
Dunn Jack 1936
Durocher Leo 1970
Dyer Eddie 1964
Dykes Jimmy 1961
Elias Al Munro 1937
Evans Billy 1949
Feller Sherm 1986
Flood Curt 1999
Foster Rube 1936
Foster John B. 1943
Fregosi Jim 2007
Frick Ford 1959
Fullerton Hugh 1943
Garner Phil 2014
Gaston Cito 2009
Giannoulas Ted 2018
Giles Warren 1961
Gillick Pat 2002
Gleason Kid 1936
Gonzalez Mike 1955
Gowdy Curt 1984
Greenlee Gus 1954
Griffith Clark 1936
Grimm Charlie 1963
Guillen Ozzie 2029
Haak Howie 1987
Haney Fred 1961
Hanlon Ned 1936
Hargrove Mike 2014
Harridge Willie 1948
Harris Bucky 1961
Harris Vic 1970
Harvey Doug 1995
Harwell Ernie 1983
Hemond Roland 1994
Herzog Whitey 1996
Hillerich John 1943
Hodges Gil 1974
Hodges Russ 1973
Houk Ralph 1984
Howsam Bob 1983
Hubbard Cal 1965
Hubbard Cal 1965
Huggins Miller 1936
Hulbert William 1936
Hutchinson Fred 1966
James Bill 2014
Jennings Hughie 1943
Jobe Frank 1990
Johnson Ban 1936
Johnson Davey 2008
Kaat Jim 2003
Kawakami Tetsuharu 1985
Kelly Tom 2015
Klem Bill 1939
Krichell Paul 1947
Kuenn Harvey 1990
Kuhn Bowie 1991
Landis Kenesaw 1936
Lanier Hal 2007
Lardner Ring 1936
LaRussa Tony 2009
Lasorda Tommy 1992
Leavitt, Jr. Charles W. 1936
Lopez Al 1973
Luque Dolf 1955
Mack Connie 1936
MacPhail Larry 1955
MacPhail Lee 1982
Manley Effa 1965
Martin Billy 1991
Mauch Gene 1990
Mazzone Leo 2013
McCarthy Tommy 1936
McCarthy Joe 1952
McCarver Tim 2006
McGraw John 1936
McKechnie Bill 1951
Mendez Jose 1936
Messersmith Andy 2010
Miller Marvin 1982
Mills A. G. 1943
Mizuhara Shigeru 1974
Moran Pat 1936
Murtaugh Danny 1978
Mutrie Jim 1936
Nagashima Shigeo 2001
Neft David 2001
Nelson Lindsey 1984
Nomura Katsuya 2000
Norworth Jack 1944
O'Doul Lefty 1962
Okrent Dan 2013
O'Malley Walter 1968
O'Neill Steve 1956
O'Neill Buck 1976
Osborn Frank 1936
Palmer Pete 2003
Pasquel Jorge 1957
Patkin Max 1985
Pesky Johnny 1984
Piniella Lou 2008
Pompez Alex 1955
Posey Cum 1948
Ramirez Felo 1986
Randolph Willie 2019
Reach A. J. 1936
Reese Jimmie 1966
Rice Grantland 1945
Richards Paul 1973
Richter Francis 1936
Rickey Branch 1946
Ritter Lawrence 1987
Rizzuto Phil 1981
Robinson Wilbert 1936
Robinson Jackie 1974
Ruppert Jacob 1943
Santo Ron 2005
Schoendienst Red 1988
Schuerholtz John 2005
Scully Vin 1992
Selee Frank 1936
Selig Bud 1999
Sewell Luke 1966
Sheppard Bob 1975
Shibe Ben 1936
Shoriki Matsutaro 1950
Smith Red 1970
Southworth Billy 1958
Spalding Al 1936
Spear Joe 2018
Spink Alfred 1942
Spink J G Taylor 1953
Stallings George 1943
Steinbrenner George 1995
Stengel Casey 1955
Street Gabby 1947
Tanner Chuck 1994
Taylor C. I. 1936
Thayer Ernest 1936
Torre Joe 2005
Tsuruoka Kazuto 1981
Tyson Ty 1953
Uecker Bob 2000
Veeck Bill 1979
Virdon Bill 1996
Ward John M. 1936
Warfield Frank 1936
Watson Bob 2011
Weaver Earl 1995
Weiss George 1959
Weyer Lee 1990
White Sol 1936
Wilkinson J. L. 1943
Williams Dick 1994
Wilson Horace 1936
Wright George 1936
Wright Harry 1936
Yawkey Tom 1968

[jalbright]

Now the contributor list given chronologically:



Lname Fname yr eligible
Abe Iso 1936
Adams Doc 1936
Anson Cap 1936
Bancroft Frank 1936
Barrow Ed 1936
Bulkely Morgan 1936
Cartwright Alexander 1936
Chadwick Harry 1936
Chance Frank 1936
Commiskey Charlie 1936
Conlan Charles 1936
Connolly Tom 1936
Creighton Jim 1936
Cummings Candy 1936
Dreyfuss Barney 1936
Dunn Jack 1936
Foster Rube 1936
Gleason Kid 1936
Griffith Clark 1936
Hanlon Ned 1936
Huggins Miller 1936
Hulbert William 1936
Johnson Ban 1936
Landis Kenesaw 1936
Lardner Ring 1936
Leavitt, Jr. Charles W. 1936
Mack Connie 1936
McCarthy Tommy 1936
McGraw John 1936
Mendez Jose 1936
Moran Pat 1936
Mutrie Jim 1936
Osborn Frank 1936
Reach A. J. 1936
Richter Francis 1936
Robinson Wilbert 1936
Selee Frank 1936
Shibe Ben 1936
Spalding Al 1936
Taylor C. I. 1936
Thayer Ernest 1936
Ward John M. 1936
Warfield Frank 1936
White Sol 1936
Wilson Horace 1936
Wright George 1936
Wright Harry 1936

Clarke Fred 1937
Elias Al Munro 1937

Klem Bill 1939

Spink Alfred 1942

Caylor O. P. 1943
Cooper Andy 1943
Dinneen Bill 1943
Doubleday Abner 1943
Foster John B. 1943
Fullerton Hugh 1943
Hillerich John 1943
Jennings Hughie 1943
Mills A. G. 1943
Ruppert Jacob 1943
Stallings George 1943
Wilkinson J. L. 1943

Norworth Jack 1944

Rice Grantland 1945

Bolden Ed 1946
Rickey Branch 1946

Krichell Paul 1947
Street Gabby 1947

Carrigan Bill 1948
Harridge Willie 1948
Posey Cum 1948

Evans Billy 1949

Shoriki Matsutaro 1950

McKechnie Bill 1951

McCarthy Joe 1952

Spink J G Taylor 1953
Tyson Ty 1953

Greenlee Gus 1954

Cambria Joe 1955
Gonzalez Mike 1955
Luque Dolf 1955
MacPhail Larry 1955
Pompez Alex 1955
Stengel Casey 1955

Charleston Oscar 1956
O'Neill Steve 1956

Pasquel Jorge 1957

Southworth Billy 1958

Frick Ford 1959
Weiss George 1959

Dykes Jimmy 1961
Giles Warren 1961
Haney Fred 1961
Harris Bucky 1961

O'Doul Lefty 1962

Chandler Happy 1963
Grimm Charlie 1963

Busch Augie 1964
Cochrane Mickey 1964
Conlon Jocko 1964
Dyer Eddie 1964

Hubbard Cal 1965
Manley Effa 1965

Hutchinson Fred 1966
Reese Jimmie 1966
Sewell Luke 1966

O'Malley Walter 1968
Yawkey Tom 1968

Dihigo Martin 1970
Durocher Leo 1970
Harris Vic 1970
Smith Red 1970

Canel Buck 1971

Autry Gene 1972

Barber Red 1973
Hodges Russ 1973
Lopez Al 1973
Richards Paul 1973

Hodges Gil 1974
Mizuhara Shigeru 1974
Robinson Jackie 1974

Dean Dizzy 1975
Sheppard Bob 1975

Alston Walter 1976
O'Neill Buck 1976

Allen Mel 1978
Murtaugh Danny 1978

Ashford Emmett 1979
Caray Harry 1979
Veeck Bill 1979

Barlick Al 1980

Brickhouse Jack 1981
Rizzuto Phil 1981
Tsuruoka Kazuto 1981

Boudreau Lou 1982
MacPhail Lee 1982
Miller Marvin 1982

Harwell Ernie 1983
Howsam Bob 1983

Chylak Nestor 1984
Gowdy Curt 1984
Houk Ralph 1984
Nelson Lindsey 1984
Pesky Johnny 1984

Kawakami Tetsuharu 1985
Patkin Max 1985

Feller Sherm 1986
Ramirez Felo 1986

Dark Alvin 1987
Haak Howie 1987
Ritter Lawrence 1987

Doby Larry 1988
Schoendienst Red 1988

Berger Sy 1989
Buck Jack 1989
Campbell Jim 1989

Jobe Frank 1990
Kuenn Harvey 1990
Mauch Gene 1990
Weyer Lee 1990

Davids Bob 1991
Kuhn Bowie 1991
Martin Billy 1991

Ashburn Richie 1992
Lasorda Tommy 1992
Scully Vin 1992

Hemond Roland 1994
Tanner Chuck 1994
Williams Dick 1994

Drysdale Don 1995
Harvey Doug 1995
Steinbrenner George 1995
Weaver Earl 1995

Herzog Whitey 1996
Virdon Bill 1996

Anderson Sparky 1999
Flood Curt 1999
Selig Bud 1999

Alou Felipe 2000
Nomura Katsuya 2000
Uecker Bob 2000

Nagashima Shigeo 2001
Neft David 2001

Gillick Pat 2002

Kaat Jim 2003
Palmer Pete 2003

Bouton Jim 2004
Caray Skip 2004

Doucet Jacques 2005
Santo Ron 2005
Schuerholtz John 2005
Torre Joe 2005

Cox Bobby 2006
McCarver Tim 2006

Fregosi Jim 2007
Lanier Hal 2007

Johnson Davey 2008
Piniella Lou 2008

Gaston Cito 2009
LaRussa Tony 2009

Bowa Larry 2010
Messersmith Andy 2010

Watson Bob 2011

Boone Bob 2012

Mazzone Leo 2013
Okrent Dan 2013

Baker Dusty 2014
Baylor Don 2014
Garner Phil 2014
Hargrove Mike 2014
James Bill 2014

Kelly Tom 2015

Burns Ken 2018
Giannoulas Ted 2018
Spear Joe 2018

Randolph Willie 2019

[jalbright]

That's about it until/unless I get some comments. I look forward to them, and to running with this project starting next month.

[Domenic]

This is a wonderful idea.

I am curious as to why you chose 45 as the proper age, as opposed to their actual eligibility, though? It makes sense, given players' propensity for stilted comebacks and the like, but I feel that that may make it more difficult on you, as it pertains to keeping track of ages and the like. Still, you do have everything very organized, and it may be a moot point.

I look forward to participating.

[henrich]

Sounds fun and I look forward to it.

[leecemark]

--Count me in.

[jalbright]

This is a wonderful idea.

I am curious as to why you chose 45 as the proper age, as opposed to their actual eligibility, though? It makes sense, given players' propensity for stilted comebacks and the like, but I feel that that may make it more difficult on you, as it pertains to keeping track of ages and the like. Still, you do have everything very organized, and it may be a moot point.

I look forward to participating.

Using 45 seems to be very close to where actual HOFers get in (they play to age 39-42, retire, and wait five years). I've already done the work for the candidates on my lists, and I'd say at least the player list is overly large if anything (there are some doozies who got a single vote from the BBWAA electorate). The contributor list is not as overstocked, simply because there are almost certainly decent cases that haven't gotten a good hearing, even at BBF. I also simply wanted to change the lists a little to keep things from seeming routine.

[jalbright]

Another point about the age 45 limit: in doing the work to put everybody on the master list, it became apparent that most of the folks who played almost up to their date of eligibility were top candidates, and few who had to wait 10 or more years were. It can be a piece of information to help the voters decide, should they choose to use it.

[jalbright]

I have Cicotte listed, although he was banned. Hal Chase might deserve to be on the master list, though I hope he never gets more than a token vote. Are there other guys who were banned who didn't make the list that anyone thinks deserves to be on it? We are talking about folks who would deserve to at least be thought of as possibly in the top 12 somewhere along the line or in the top 300 or so all time.

[jalbright]

I deliberately want to wait until December to try and line it up so that 2011 would be up after at least that regular season is over. It also gives me a chance to clean up issues in the interim.

[philkid3]

I am game.

[jalbright]

I hadn't asked for who might be interested, but I probably should have. So, if you're interested in participating and haven't already noted it, please do. Counting myself, I have four who have expressed interest, and we do need at least ten. I won't require that we have ten participants to get started, but if we can't get at least seven or eight to express interest, I might have to rethink doing this.

[dgarza]

I seem interested

[jalbright]

One other thing: the best I can come up with is the Alternate History Hall of Fame, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. If anyone has what they think is a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

[dgarza]

One other thing: the best I can come up with is the Alternate History Hall of Fame, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. If anyone has what they think is a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

Weighted HOF? That may be even more cumbersome. :noidea

[Erik Bedard]

I'm interested.

[BlueBlood]

I greatly endorse this project. A new twist on a fun format and a chance to build yet another Hall here.

[jalbright]

Well, we have enough interest to do it, but I still encourage people to post if they're interested so I can send you a PM when the project begins.

[jalbright]

One other issue I need to deal with: what if someone posts a ballot with an ineligible name, and doesn't correct it? The problem here is if the ineligible name comes in anywhere other than last. My inclination is to move up the other names in rank on that ballot.

[jjpm74]

If someone posts a ballot with an ineligible name and doesn't correct it, the best thing to do is move everyone up a slot like you suggested:

1. Babe Ruth
2. Joe Nuxhall
3. Ty Cobb
4. Walter Johnson
5. Honus Wagner

etc...

would change to

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Walter Johnson
4. Honus Wagner

when tabulating.

Overall, the project sounds like a fun new way to look at these players and I look forward to participating.

[jalbright]

Is "Best Eligible Hall of Fame" (BEHOF for short) any better?

[dgarza]

Is "Best Eligible Hall of Fame" (BEHOF for short) any better?The be honest, that doesn't sound like much of an honor.

[BlueBlood]

Hall Of Fame II?

Hall Of Fame Now: Redux?

Hall Of Fame: Gabon?

Cooperscity?

BBF HOF for Web 2.0?

Hall Of Outstanding Achievement In The Field Of Excellence?

Hall of Sheer Ranked-dom?

[Erik Bedard]

I like Hall of Achievement, personally.

[BlueBlood]

Hall's Well That Ends Well?

On Deck: The Halls (of Hally-ness)? (seasonal)

Amalgamated Hall?

Plaque Build Up?

Baseball Fever's Second Hall Of Fame Based On Merit And The Number Of Cooperstown Honorees?

Jim Albright's Hall Of Fame (featuring Paul Wendt)?

Don't Love The Game, Love The Players: A Hall?


I like Hall of Achievement, personally.

Aren't arbitrary counting numbers achievements? Hmm...

[jalbright]

Hall of Baseball Excellence?

[AstrosFan]

I'm interested in this, but not sure if I should participate. I'm afraid it might become an obsession. However, when we drive to this place, it should be on the Highway to Hall.

[jalbright]

I've come up with one I kinda like: BOB, for Best of Baseball

[AstrosFan]

I'm having a really hard time finishing my acronym:

All-time
Legends
Baseball
Remembers
Its
Greatest
Heroes
T????

[Paul Wendt]

Excuse me, jalbright, for repeating this in public.

Call it the Albright Hall of Fame, at least Albright Hall of something, so we will "fill the Albright Hall" and my work on references to holes "enough to fill the Albert Hall" will be rewarding.

[philkid3]

I've come up with one I kinda like: BOB, for Best of Baseball

Oh come on. You know you want to call it the Hall of Very Good. :laugh

[jalbright]

One thing is certain: I really don't want to use Albright in the name of the project. I may be running it, but I'd hope that if I was unable to do so for some God-foresaken reason that it would be enjoyable enough to others that someone would step in and fill that role. Forgetting that issue, if I'm the only one involved, it's not going to be any fun. It's the interaction of the participants that does that. In that way, I'm simply a member of the team. I don't want the project name to even sound to the unitiated that I don't realize that basic fact. I take the effort to include my name as either in good fun (the play on Albright and Albert Hall is a rather good one, Paul, at least for those versed in the Beatles ;) ) or as a compliment, and I appreciate it. But that doesn't mean I want to go in that direction. Thanks.

[BlueBlood]

Wow. A Beatles reference that actually went over my head. Nice job. :highfive:

[J W]

I'd call it the BBF Hall of Merit, unless that's an issue with the BBTF Hall of Merit.

I'm interested - however I'd like the stickied BBF HOF to be our "official site HOF". Maybe that can change if/when this project has caught up.

[jalbright]

I think I'll start the first election on November 28 or 29 and run it until December 13, then run the second election to January 3, as that week between Christmas and New Year's is understandably dead.

[J W]

Looking at the number of inductees, we will have by:

65 seasons - 10 members
70 seasons - 30 members
140 seasons - 240 members

...so looking at average inductees / season, we'll be playing catch-up until the very end when we scale back. Even then, we won't have 2 per season. Not that it's a bad system -- just looking at it. We should have a steady group of HOF caliber players to choose from, until we get to a modern day equivalent of Cooperstown's numbers. I think the group that will be affected most will be the "B" rate 19th century players that reside in the Think Factory Hall of Merit... but then, we do have a few dedicated historians here who stump the old-timers.

What perchance are we including in our voting base? In the BBF HOF we have negro leaguers, latin players and asian players. I don't think we have tenures and dates of death for everyone do we?

[jalbright]

There's no perfect system, and the fact we start in 1936 as with real life does cause a problem. It existed in real life, and we will have to deal with it as well. No one's ever ineligible, so the 19th century guys can get in if they muster support, even after 2000. Eventually, I've got to have an approach to take it forward, and the 2 per year works. I didn't want an early flood of lesser candidates, followed by down years requiring induction of lesser candidates, so this is the approach I selected. Not perfect, to be sure, but the mere fact we're starting with 1936 prevents a perfect solution, if one was actually available.

As for anyone who's received a vote for the BBF HOF, or is in Cooperstown or the BBTF HOM, I've got them all with an induction date, though it's certainly possible that my choice of years for some aren't perfect due to questionable years of birth.

[AG2004]

I don't want the project name to even sound to the unitiated that I don't realize that basic fact. I take the effort to include my name as either in good fun (the play on Albright and Albert Hall is a rather good one, Paul, at least for those versed in the Beatles ;) ) or as a compliment, and I appreciate it. But that doesn't mean I want to go in that direction. Thanks.

I thought it was a reference to the Last Night of the Proms, although the Hall is always filled then.

Might I suggest "Baseball's Roll of Honor" as a project name?

[Paul Wendt]

no, no relation to George Hall

I thought it was a reference to the Last Night of the Proms, although the Hall is always filled then.
Regarding #34-35-36-42,
for any seeker of knowledge here are some entry points at google and wikipedia. FWIW I started at the bottom a couple a days ago, and returned there just now because I didn't recognize the Last Night of the Proms.

sea of holes (http://www.google.com/search?q=sea+of+holes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
Jeremy Hilary Boob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hilary_Boob)
Yellow Submarine (film) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Submarine_(film))
A Day in the Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Life)

Albert Hall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hall)
"Depictions in popular culture"
It is referenced in the Beatles' song "A Day in the Life": Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

"Famous concerts"
The Proms - founded by Sir Henry Wood - now the world's largest festival of Western classical music - have been held in the hall every summer since 1941 (after the original venue, The Queen's Hall in Langham Place was destroyed by a bomb). The Last Night of the Proms is broadcast in several countries.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The New Zoo Revue.

[Mike90]

This sounds interesting. I like Hall's Well That Ends Well - puns are the best!!

[bambambaseball]

I don't quite get it. Almost all of those Hall guys deserve to be there from your list.

[jalbright]

I don't quite get it. Almost all of those Hall guys deserve to be there from your list.

My list isn't who should be in the Hall--it's an attempt to come up with a rather comprehensive list of who might entice someone to vote for them. Anybody getting a vote in the BBF HOF elections or in a BBWAA vote is intended to be listed. People can make the case for additional names, but if a name not on the list is submitted, the voter must make a case justifying adding the name as someone who deserves a vote. I know, some of the BBWAA vote-getters didn't deserve one, but that's the way it is.

The candidate list has around 900 players--and we won't elect much more than 250 before we go annual on this project as well. So the 900 player list is clearly not intended the way you are looking at it.

[bambambaseball]

I think I get it now. Count me in!

[bambambaseball]

I thought you ment 10 players a yaer times 74 years = 740 players:eek:

[jalbright]

I thought you ment 10 players a yaer times 74 years = 740 players:eek:

Ten only in 1936, five a year from 1937-1940, 3 a year from 1941-2010, two a year thereafter. 240, plus possible unbroken ties and (hopefully not necessary) 19th Century and/or Negro League VC additions.

[jalbright]

I think the group that will be affected most will be the "B" rate 19th century players that reside in the Think Factory Hall of Merit... but then, we do have a few dedicated historians here who stump for the old-timers.

Hopefully, we will have that discussion, and some of those guys will get in when we have some leaner years. If not, there's still the failsafe of a 2000 VC for those guys if we don't have sufficient representation. I hope such a step won't be needed for them (or the Negro Leaguers), but it's there to prevent a dramatic underrepresentation of those guys. I know I expect to have some 19th century guys on my ballots in more recent years as we close to the size of the current Hall.

[jalbright]

Contributor lists updated to include Frank Osborn.

[jalbright]

I favor Best of Baseball ("BOB"), but I guess I could be persuaded to go with The Baseball Honor Roll.

I think we'll start with two runs of three weeks, then settle in to our two week cycle. We can start the Saturday before Thanksgiving, run for 3 weeks with 1936, then run 1937 for 3 weeks, and then we'll be beyond the holidays.

[jalbright]

In case there are any wise guys who insist on listing players as tied for a spot on their ballot, or submit an oversize ballot, I'm going to put in rules for that:

Any players listed beyond the 12th place for any ballot but the first (in which case it is 20th place) will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

[jalbright]

One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame. If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happen.

For Buck O'Neill, the Negro League Museum and Ken Burns' documentary are both about 1994, and that's about when I intend to start voting for him.

[dgarza]

I favor Best of Baseball ("BOB"), but I guess I could be persuaded to go with The Baseball Honor Roll.


Baseball Honor Roll or BOB's HOF are reasonable.

[jalbright]

I also want to make it clear I do not want to see people using ties in their rankings, and reserve the right to invalidate ballots for overuse of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots.

[jalbright]

I've got the following folks as at least expressing some interest in this project, and who I'll make sure to notify when I start it on November 22:

Domenic
Dogdaze
Henrich
leecemark
philkid3
dgarza
Erik Bedard
BlueBlood
jjpm74
AG2004
Astros Fan
J W
Paul Wendt
Captain Cold Nose
Mike90
bambambaseball

and myself. Should you want to be added to or removed from this list for notification, please either post in the thread or PM me. Thanks. Looks like a good group.

[jalbright]

Since 1936 is so loaded with candidates, I've tried to put together a list of those who made the BBF HOF (hopefully, I've got them all, but if there's errors, let me know and I'll fix it):

Alexander , Pete
Anson , Cap
Baker , Frank
Barnes , Ross
Bennett , Charlie
Bresnahan , Roger
Brouthers , Dan
Brown , Mordecai
Burkett , Jesse
Carey , Max
Caruthers , Bob
Childs , Cupid
Clarke , Fred
Clarkson , John
Cobb , Ty
Collins , Eddie
Collins , Jimmy
Connor , Roger
Coveleski , Stan
Crawford , Sam
Dahlen , Bill
Davis , George
Delahanty , Ed
Doyle , Larry
Duffy , Hugh
Ewing , Buck
Faber , Red
Flick , Elmer
Galvin , Pud
Glasscock , Jack
Gore , George
Grant , Frank
Griffith , Clark
Groh , Heinie
Hamilton , Billy
Hill , Pete
Hines , Paul
Jackson , Joe
Johnson , Home Run
Johnson , Walter
Keefe , Tim
Keeler , Willie
Kelley , Joe
Kelly , King
LaJoie , Nap
Lloyd , Pop
Magee , Sherry
Maranville , Rabbit
Mathewson , Christy
Mays , Carl
McGinnity , Joe
McPhee , Bid
McVey , Cal
Mendez , Jose
Mullane , Tony
Nichols , Kid
O'Rourke , Jim
Plank , Eddie
Radbourn , Charlie
Redding , Dick
Richardson , Hardy
Rixey , Eppa
Rusie , Amos
Santop , Louis
Speaker , Tris
Start , Joe
Stovey , Harry
Sutton , Ezra
Thompson , Sam
Van Haltren , George
Vance , Dazzy
Waddell , Rube
Wagner , Honus
Wallace , Bobby
Walsh , Ed
Ward , John M.
Wheat , Zack
White , Deacon
Williams , Smoky Joe
Willis , Vic
Wright , George
Young , Cy

[jalbright]

The 1936 contributor eligibles contain the following BBF HOFers:

Adams , Doc
Barrow , Ed
Cartwright , Alexander
Chadwick , Harry
Chance , Frank
Commiskey , Charlie
Conlan , Charles
Connolly , Tom
Dunn , Jack
Foster , Rube
Griffith , Clark
Hanlon , Ned
Huggins , Miller
Hulbert , William
Johnson , Ban
Landis , Kenesaw
Mack , Connie
McGraw , John
Pearce, Dickey
Richter , Francis
Selee , Frank
Spalding , Al
Taylor , C. I.
Ward , John M.
Wright , Harry

[jalbright]

Mack and McGraw will be two of my five contributors, and the other three will come from the BBF HOF list. I would prefer to see John M. Ward in as a player, so will hold off on him on the contributor list. I'm strongly leaning toward Rube Foster as one of those three.

In the players ballot, I'll likely have Alexander, Anson, Baker, Brouthers, Cobb, E. Collins, Connor, Crawford, Delahanty, W. Johnson, LaJoie, Lloyd, Mathewson, Nichols, O'Rourke, Plank, Speaker, Wagner, J. Williams and Young. Obviously, I won't rank them alphabetically.

[leecemark]

--Plank seems a bit of of place in that grouping. I doubt he'll make my ballot until the 40s.

[Dogdaze]

I hadn't asked for who might be interested, but I probably should have. So, if you're interested in participating and haven't already noted it, please do.

Sounds interesting. I'm in.

[jalbright]

--Plank seems a bit of of place in that grouping. I doubt he'll make my ballot until the 40s.

He's about 20th. He could get dropped, but I need to be convinced of someone better before I do so. Since I favor career value more than most, and that's Plank's strength, I rather expect I would view him more highly than others.

[jalbright]

Thinking about it, I know contributors are going to be difficult to rank, given that it forces us to truly compare apples to bananas to oranges to coconuts. Other than noting we've only got to rank five, the only clarification I can offer I have added to the rules:


Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

It doesn't really answer the problem, I know, but it's the best I can come up with.

[Captain Cold Nose]

He's about 20th. He could get dropped, but I need to be convinced of someone better before I do so. Since I favor career value more than most, and that's Plank's strength, I rather expect I would view him more highly than others.

I'll let him know you think that highly of him this weekend.

[jalbright]

The Best of Baseball Project will begin with its inaugural election in 1936 within the next day. Please give me the chance to get up all the pertinent information (through my ballot) before posting your own ballot.

[Paul Wendt]

I'll let him know you think that highly of him this weekend.
At the Cemetery?

[STLCards2]

He's about 20th. He could get dropped, but I need to be convinced of someone better before I do so. Since I favor career value more than most, and that's Plank's strength, I rather expect I would view him more highly than others.

Plank is over a 120 ERA+ and well over 4,000 IP. People keep talking about his team helping him so much, but all I can find is his team offense being great, not the team defense. Except for leveraging (not facing the A's himself) his ERA+ hold up very well, unlike many others from the same era who recieved buttloads of defensive help...i.e. anybody who played on the Pirates or Cubs.

He is sort of the old version of Tom Glavine or Mike Mussina - good to very good for a very, very long time. Never out-of-this -world outstanding. With a 122 ERA+ and 4,500 IP, the burden is on people to prove that his ERA+ is greatly misprepresented by his numbers for me to keep him out of my top 20.

Plank was also a very good hitter and a great postseason pitcher, despite his W-L record. Talk about getting lousy run support in the WS!