Small Markets? not really

[joshfan]

USATODAY tells us that Tampa is 13th bigger then StLouis,Cleveland and Miami and Philly is 4
Baseball has ratings problems imo because the season goes too far into NCAA and NFL seasons and too many easterners are sound asleep by the time a game is decided
How many NY NJ kids saw the last out of those yankee teams a few years ago?
Not many I'd bet
Every day for three weeks the "today in baseball " newspaper segment has crowned another past WS champ and here we are awaiting this years first pitch

[Brian McKenna]

I'd like to weigh in here but there is no complete thought in the initial post to work off of.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'd like to weigh in here but there is no complete thought in the initial post to work off of.



Not small markets, games too late, season too long, especially for New Yorkers and New Jerseyites and teams win the WS on different days.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Like I said in another thread, time has never been an issue for me when watching baseball. Never.

[KevinWI]

Using CCN's translations

Not small markets

Well, there are markets that are small, then markets that are tremendous for baseball. St. Louis may be smaller than Oakland, but St. Louis might as well be a 'baseball' big market city because of the loyalty of their fans.

games too late

TiVo? Take a short nap after work?

season too long

Why complain about this? Can't wait long enough for the World Series? Personally, I can't stand Nov-Feb. In my dream world, they'd play baseball year round - though that would never happen.

especially for New Yorkers and New Jerseyites

You know the world goes on past the Appalachian Mountains, right?

[RuthMayBond]

You know the world goes on past the Appalachian Mountains, right?Argh, Son of ElHalo :banghead::banghead:

[KCGHOST]

You may want to consider the judicious use of periods and commas. Not sure how many NY/NJ kids have grasped the subject-verb-predicate concept either.

[THE OX]

Not small markets, games too late, season too long, especially for New Yorkers and New Jerseyites and teams win the WS on different days.

Poor little New Yorkers and New Jerseyites.....

When I was in Nam in 1967, we listened to Series games on little transistor radios at 3 AM. NOTHING is too much of an inconvenience if you're a real hard-core baseball fan!

[deadball-era-rules]

KevinWI, as a St. Louis native and huge Cards fan, I thank you for the compliment you paid to our fan base, whether it was intentional or not.

[Berkman#17]

USATODAY tells us that Tampa is 13th bigger then StLouis,Cleveland and Miami and Philly is 4
Baseball has ratings problems imo because the season goes too far into NCAA and NFL seasons and too many easterners are sound asleep by the time a game is decided
How many NY NJ kids saw the last out of those yankee teams a few years ago?
Not many I'd bet
Every day for three weeks the "today in baseball " newspaper segment has crowned another past WS champ and here we are awaiting this years first pitch

http://www.mcnblogs.com/filmfatale/samjacksonpulp-thumb.jpg

I hope someone gets this.....

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Poor little New Yorkers and New Jerseyites.....

When I was in Nam in 1967, we listened to Series games on little transistor radios at 3 AM. NOTHING is too much of an inconvenience if you're a real hard-core baseball fan!

I think the Captain was speaking in general terms, not just the baseball fanatics. There are working people who have to get up early the next day, young school kids, games start too late. Don't we all know it's all about money, starting in prime time for the networks and more money for MLB from sponsors. And at the same time I know this will never change, only giving my take on the issue.

Season too long, baseball should not be played in near 30+ degree temps like we've seen in recent years. The day will probably come when a game will be snowed out or called because of cold weather and I'm talking about for more than one day.

[Imgran]

Playing fall baseball games at night rather than in the midday when the air is 20 degrees warmer is stupid and adds unnecessary injury risks, even besides the rest of the issues with it.

[joshfan]

I'd like to weigh in here but there is no complete thought in the initial post to work off of.
Sorry dr Crane, but the point is baseball is not giving young fans a chance to enjoy thier teams and not just New York NJ but BoSox fans when they won and for that matter the entire east coast has to watch games past midnight or say screw it and catch Sportscenter.
Baseball has become non fan friendly, too costly for the average fan to go to a game regularly,season is too long by 3 weeks and postseason games start and end too late

[Imgran]

He's got a point. I was useless to anyone during the ALCS with a combination of nervous excitement and exhaustion. Even when the games are over, if they were exciting, it's awhile until I can wind down enough to sleep. Add a midnight or later finish time to that and it's a miracle I don't ruin my health every October. I can only think how tired someone who has to turn around and drive, sometimes for hours, is after getting home from the park on a midnight-or-later finish. If the games ran 5-9 I'd have plenty of time to digest the game, then sleep.

Would suck to be the West Coast folks would have it from 1-5, but them's the breaks. There's no way to take a 4 hour game into a 4 hour time zone difference without screwing SOMEBODY over. And what the hell -- the left coast is a lot more about football than basketball anyway, not even a lot of teams out that way, can't even form two truly western divisions without throwing in the Rangers, so screw 'em.

[joshfan]

I'd love to see postseason games start at first pitch 735 est
Games over by 11 east coast and west coasters get to enjoy an afternoon- evening of baseball
A whole new generation of kids could enjoy the Series
Sounds like a win win
Oh yeah TV won't allow it because Americas pastime is actually shilling for bad sitcoms and oversized trucks,baseball is the filler

[KevinWI]

I'd love to see postseason games start at first pitch 735 est
Games over by 11 east coast and west coasters get to enjoy an afternoon- evening of baseball
A whole new generation of kids could enjoy the Series
Sounds like a win win
Oh yeah TV won't allow it because Americas pastime is actually shilling for bad sitcoms and oversized trucks,baseball is the filler

That's a 4:35pm start on the West Coast, meaning people who work until 5 will miss the start of the game. Again, the sun does not revolve around New York-New Jersey-Boston.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Sorry dr Crane, but the point is baseball is not giving young fans a chance to enjoy thier teams and not just New York NJ but BoSox fans when they won and for that matter the entire east coast has to watch games past midnight or say screw it and catch Sportscenter.
Baseball has become non fan friendly, too costly for the average fan to go to a game regularly,season is too long by 3 weeks and postseason games start and end too late

Pity us Midwesterners and the rest of the non-coasters. Pagliacci only sings East of the Appalachians and west of Las Vegas.

If that was your point, why not just make it?

Who cares who's getting screwed as long as it's not me, right? That's a way to stay fan-friendly. Cater to who deems themselves the most important.

Suck it up and buy bleacher seats, take a nap before the game, or tape it, and as long as there is baseball the season is never too long.

[RuthMayBond]

Again, the sun does not revolve around New York-New Jersey-Boston.GET OUT OF TOWN! :eek::banghead::crazy;):disbelief::rolleyes:

[joshfan]

Pity us Midwesterners and the rest of the non-coasters. Pagliacci only sings East of the Appalachians and west of Las Vegas.

If that was your point, why not just make it?

Who cares who's getting screwed as long as it's not me, right? That's a way to stay fan-friendly. Cater to who deems themselves the most important.

Suck it up and buy bleacher seats, take a nap before the game, or tape it, and as long as there is baseball the season is never too long.
What??? UH I myself have lived in the midwest for 19 years(INDIANA)and a 735 est start would enable me and millions of others a chance to get to bed at a decent hour after enjoying the game while both coasts saw the game too
Central and Mountain time zones would be golden
BTW the season is entirely too long .
WS should be over by Oct 20th not beginning
Are you retired?
Many of us with work and family obligations can't "take a nap" when we get home,TIVO? ps pal that's a rerun

[Captain Cold Nose]

What??? UH I myself have lived in the midwest for 19 years(INDIANA)and a 735 est start would enable me and millions of others a chance to get to bed at a decent hour after enjoying the game while both coasts saw the game too
Central and Mountain time zones would be golden
BTW the season is entirely too long .
WS should be over by Oct 20th not beginning
Are you retired?
Many of us with work and family obligations can't "take a nap" when we get home,TIVO? ps pal that's a rerun

You're the one saying how NY-NJ-Boston fans are missing out. As if this is mostly their problem. EST spreads into Indiana, as you well know. So why pinpoint NY-NJ-Bos?

No, I work and have obligations just like you do. If you're going to complain about late games and are not willing to adjust to that, oh, well.

I'd back off on the pal and Dr and whatever else when engaging other posters, BTW.

BTW, the season is not too long, we can never have too much baseball.

[KevinWI]

What??? UH I myself have lived in the midwest for 19 years(INDIANA)and a 735 est start would enable me and millions of others a chance to get to bed at a decent hour after enjoying the game while both coasts saw the game too
Central and Mountain time zones would be golden
BTW the season is entirely too long .
WS should be over by Oct 20th not beginning
Are you retired?
Many of us with work and family obligations can't "take a nap" when we get home,TIVO? ps pal that's a rerun

Okay, Josh, we'll all call Bud Selig and tell him we want the World Series to start at 7:35 eastern, and so you can go to bed on time, we'll ask him to take out innings 6 through 8.

[rockin500]

really, a game should start no later than 8:15pm EST (7:15 local) for me to realistically watch it, especially in the postseason when you know its going to last 4 hours, as getting up at 5:30 makes it tough

I'll make the occasional exception, but cant do it for more than a couple of nights in a row.

[joshfan]

You're the one saying how NY-NJ-Boston fans are missing out. As if this is mostly their problem. EST spreads into Indiana, as you well know. So why pinpoint NY-NJ-Bos?

No, I work and have obligations just like you do. If you're going to complain about late games and are not willing to adjust to that, oh, well.

I'd back off on the pal and Dr and whatever else when engaging other posters, BTW.

BTW, the season is not too long, we can never have too much baseball.
Boston and NY were the two cities I mentioned because thier fan base, along with teams like the Marlins, were the groups, over the past several years often effected
My wish is to have all kids see and love the game not be sent to bed because they have to get up for school and Fox needs to start late , extend commercial breaks and extend the broadcast
Sorry about the other but when confronted with what I percieve to be smugness and or condescencion I tend to respond in kind

[yamsi12]

just one more reason I love living on the west coast. We get the games earlier than the east coast people. The games over by 9 or 10 here, and then its off to the bars! :dance

[mrakbaseball]

really, a game should start no later than 8:15pm EST (7:15 local) for me to realistically watch it, especially in the postseason when you know its going to last 4 hours, as getting up at 5:30 makes it tough

I'll make the occasional exception, but cant do it for more than a couple of nights in a row.

It's Eastern Daylight Time, not standard.

[philkid3]

Argh, Son of ElHalo :banghead::banghead:

One of the first threads I was ever involved in here included ElHalo saying the football isn't that popular because it's not that big a deal in New York. :laugh

[Steve Jeltz]

http://www.mcnblogs.com/filmfatale/samjacksonpulp-thumb.jpg

I hope someone gets this.....


Thinking the same thing when I read the intial post. :rofl:

[joshfan]

Guess what, had they started at 735 or even 805 we'd either have a celebrating Philly or two games in the dome but we needed 40 minutes of "hopefully they'll get this in but don't miss HOUSE" so it became unplayable

[joshfan]

Oh yeah , btw, tonight the game starts at 837 because Fox(like every other network) took several million dollars from Obama to run his infomercial at 8
I bet you 837 turns into 9 so they can stretch 2.5 innings into 1030-11pm