View Full Version : Fewer warmup pitches
riredsox
10-05-2008, 09:55 AM
Not sure if I should post this here or in the Sabemetrics board, but if you have an injury-prone pitcher (e.g. Ben Sheets, Rich Harden) or one that has control issues (Dice-K) would it be better to have then throw fewer warmup pitches before each inning? Think about it: warmup pitches can't be used to help get outs, but a pitcher still has the same chance of getting injured (like in ST, when Josh Beckett tweaked his back after one warmup pitch, and where Brad Lidge hurt his knee.), and they still fatigue the arm. When a pitchers arm is fatigued they can start to lose control, which hurts pitchers like Dice-K, who already have control issues. Would fewer warmups help?
ipitch
10-05-2008, 10:08 AM
Dice-K actually walks more batters per PA in innings 1-3 than in 4-6, and the 1st inning is easily his worst (as far as walks go). If anything, I think he could probably use some more warm-up pitches.
b4uplayball
10-05-2008, 10:47 AM
I don't think it makes a difference. In the case of a pitcher who has control pitches warmups aren't going to help. And if a pitcher is injured he should not be pitching - period. If he's coming back from an injury, he should start by throwing an inning or two and then graduating to more innings.
Injury prone pitchers can be due to conditioning or mechanics. Sometimes though they can throw so much and just need more rest or off days. I would say Sheets and Harden are fine as long as they aren't overused such as short rest pitching (some pitchers can do it and some can't simply). Weird things like Beckett tweaking his back can happen at any point and I have a feeling that he knows exactly how many warmup pitches he needs to be effective so how much he threw shouldn't have caused anything. Moral of the story is .... don't overuse an injury prone pitcher and there should not be issues on the amount of warmup pitches they take unless its a massive amount then obviously you shouldn't allow that.
TG Coach
10-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Not sure if I should post this here or in the Sabemetrics board, but if you have an injury-prone pitcher (e.g. Ben Sheets, Rich Harden) or one that has control issues (Dice-K) would it be better to have then throw fewer warmup pitches before each inning? Think about it: warmup pitches can't be used to help get outs, but a pitcher still has the same chance of getting injured (like in ST, when Josh Beckett tweaked his back after one warmup pitch, and where Brad Lidge hurt his knee.), and they still fatigue the arm. When a pitchers arm is fatigued they can start to lose control, which hurts pitchers like Dice-K, who already have control issues. Would fewer warmups help?
Warmup pitches between innings are not thrown at full force or full speed. They are used to loosen up the arm after resting on the bench. Are you suggesting pitchers not get loose after sitting on the bench?