Speed

[thenextalexrod]

I really want to become faster all around. I think im pretty good speed but the shortstop ahead of me is lighting quick and I really need to try and do anything to beat him out. What are some things I can to up my speed?Any Help will be appreactied

[LAball]

Do cleans,.....

[korp]

LAball is still allowed on this forum? lol. Olympic lifts will increase your quickness based on the speed of the weight lifted so yes that can help along with strengthening legs. You should look into plyometric and agility drills as well as some sort of sprinting speed training. Remember though you can only get so fast based on your genetics no matter how much training you do.

[Charger567]

LAball is still allowed on this forum? lol. Olympic lifts will increase your quickness based on the speed of the weight lifted so yes that can help along with strengthening legs. You should look into plyometric and agility drills as well as some sort of sprinting speed training. Remember though you can only get so fast based on your genetics no matter how much training you do.

Last statement just isn't true. Some people have more potential, but anyone can get faster. I ran a 7.90 60 yard dash in 8th grade. I started lifting and doing dynamic warm ups and by my freshman year that was down to a 7.00, and I plan to have it down to a 6.70 by the time my sophomore season comes around.

I did do work on my calves, did sprints, Olympic lifts, dynamic warm ups, and worked on my form.

[TG Coach]

Last statement just isn't true. Some people have more potential, but anyone can get faster. I ran a 7.90 60 yard dash in 8th grade. I started lifting and doing dynamic warm ups and by my freshman year that was down to a 7.00, and I plan to have it down to a 6.70 by the time my sophomore season comes around.

I did do work on my calves, did sprints, Olympic lifts, dynamic warm ups, and worked on my form.

Physical development probably had more to do with your improvement from 8th grade to freshman year than anything else.

[Charger567]

Physical development probably had more to do with your improvement from 8th grade to freshman year than anything else.

I grew two inches from that time. I'm sure it made an impact, but it also could have had something to do with me putting on 10 pounds of muscle and greatly reducing my body fat.

[LAball]

LAball is still allowed on this forum? lol. .

Dont be stupid

[korp]

Dont be stupid
You were long before me ha.


Some people have more potential, but anyone can get faster. I ran a 7.90 60 yard dash in 8th grade. I started lifting and doing dynamic warm ups and by my freshman year that was down to a 7.00, and I plan to have it down to a 6.70 by the time my sophomore season comes around.


Weird how the body matures once you get into highschool compared to middle school..... Do not come in here and say genetic potential is not a factor. If that were true, people working their butts off could run sub 7 second 60 yard dash times. Since we all know thats not possible my statement still holds water. In case you are wondering weight lifting helps you get closer to your genetic potential and yes lowering body fat will add to your speed. You are still growing so of course you have a biased opinion since you dropped that much time off your 60 dash .... BUT YOU CANNOT GO PAST YOUR GENETIC POTENTIAL, so do not claim that you can.

[LAball]

.. BUT YOU CANNOT GO PAST YOUR GENETIC POTENTIAL,


Exactly, so why do you even try? Stay in Little League.

[Drill]

Have someone look at your style of running and sprinting to see if you are wasting any speed because of poor style.

Than ask for a training program or go to a speed clinic at your local college. I heard at University of Virginia college/maybe hospital they have a computer they will hook you up to to see the runners style. You can walk in off the street and sign up for a test the way I saw it on our local TV station.


drill

[kylebee]

I posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant here:

Since I didn't see it mentioned, speed is highly correlated with the amount of fast-twitch muscle fiber you have in your body, the ratio of which is heavily dependent on genetics (specifically the ppar-delta switch). Most professional athletes that rely on explosive movements (nearly all of them) are very similar to you and I in many regards genetically, with one glaring exception: Their ppar-delta switch is in the 99th percentile tiered towards fast-twitch (type IIb) fibers.

Elite marathon runners have the opposite situation - their ppar-delta biases them towards slow-twitch (type I and IIa) fibers, giving them amazing muscle endurance and advanced bloodflow.

Can we change this ourselves? Maybe, but our ability to do so is limited, especially regarding the sought-after Type IIb fibers. Evidence:

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/gi/d...7px7x66667132/ (http://sportsmedicine.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=sportsmedicine&cdn=health&tm=79&f=10&su=p284.9.336.ip_p736.8.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.springerlink.com/content/1137px7x66667132/)

Summary The response of muscle fiber type proportions and fiber areas to 15 weeks of strenuous high-intensity intermittent training was investigated in twenty-four carefully ascertained sedentary (14 women and 10 men) and 10 control (4 women and 6 men) subjects. The supervised training program consisted mainly of series of supramaximal exercise lasting 15 s to 90 s on a cycle ergometer. Proportions of muscle fiber type and areas of the fibers were determined from a biopsy of the vastus lateralis before and after the training program. No significant change was observed for any of the histochemical charactertics in the control group. Training significantly increased the proportion of type I and decreased type IIb fibers, the proportion of type IIa remained unchanged. Areas of type I and IIb fibers increased significantly with training. These results suggest that high-intensity intermittent training in humans may alter the proportion of type I and the area of type I and IIb fibers and in consequence that fiber type composition in human vastus lateralis muscle is not determined solely by genetic factors.

[Chris O'Leary]

Physical development probably had more to do with your improvement from 8th grade to freshman year than anything else.

I agree.

In 7th grade, I went from being one of the slowest kids to one of the fastest. However, I didn't do anything. It just happened.

[rkbenn]

Elite marathon runners have the opposite situation - their ppar-delta biases them towards slow-twitch (type I and IIa) fibers, giving them amazing muscle endurance and advanced bloodflow.

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Jogging is a killer of speed.

[kylebee]

Yes, it can be.

[Drill]

My son runs Cross Country in hs, I am wondering how much that effects his speed. But I have noticed during fall ball his endurance is better of course. some weekend we are going from CC meets to fall ball game. Let him play the outfield for a inning or two and he is ready to play catcher.

One saving grace is the sprint work he is doing during CC practice.

there was a bumper sticker I heard about one time. "I might be slow but I am ahead of you",


drill

[Chris O'Leary]

My son runs Cross Country in hs, I am wondering how much that effects his speed. But I have noticed during fall ball his endurance is better of course. some weekend we are going from CC meets to fall ball game. Let him play the outfield for a inning or two and he is ready to play catcher.

One saving grace is the sprint work he is doing during CC practice.

there was a bumper sticker I heard about one time. "I might be slow but I am ahead of you"

When I was a sprinter (100 through 800) in HS, I hated the 2-3 mile jogs and got more value out of running intervals (e.g. run 100, walk 50, run 200, etc.). In contrast, the cross country guys loved the distance work and hated the interval work, so there may indeed be a difference.

[rkbenn]

My son runs Cross Country in hs, I am wondering how much that effects his speed. But I have noticed during fall ball his endurance is better of course. some weekend we are going from CC meets to fall ball game. Let him play the outfield for a inning or two and he is ready to play catcher.

One saving grace is the sprint work he is doing during CC practice.

there was a bumper sticker I heard about one time. "I might be slow but I am ahead of you",


drill

Drill,

I'm in the belief that jogging is killer for Speed and Quickness. During my practices for Baseball and Basketball we do a light jog after warm-ups and sprint EVERYWHERE we go (base to base, field to water break, and position to position). Basketball goes without saying, we sprint all practice! I tell the kids if you want to be fast, you have to train fast! Cross County for your son can help and hurt him. IMO the catcher position is a physically demanding position and the endurance training will help, but keep in mind that this kind of training can have its pitfall in regard to building speed and quickness.

IM Maxx, i'm sure he has some great advice to offer.

RK

[Horns]

OP.

Please do not listen to these naysayers. Yes they have a point...genetics play a role

DONT LET IT DISCOURAGE YOU. GIVE IT YOUR ALL.

It shocks me that some of the adults on this forum would discourage you with a limiting belief like that.

Go to defrancostraining.com Read all of his articles. You will come across the Westside for skinny bast@rds part one through three. Start doing one of those workouts(one of the templates Speed training)

PM me if you have questions. I am not a trainer but i have combed the site back and forth so i may be able to help you.

[Chris O'Leary]

Please do not listen to these naysayers. Yes they have a point...genetics play a role

DONT LET IT DISCOURAGE YOU. GIVE IT YOUR ALL.

My point is that he shouldn't focus on things he CAN'T control, which are his speed and his genetic make-up, and focus on things he CAN control like his technique and batting skills.

[rkbenn]

My point is that he shouldn't focus on things he CAN'T control, which are his speed and his genetic make-up, and focus on things he CAN control like his technique and batting skills.

Example...Prince Fielder will never be able to steal 20 bases in a season, but he can hit 30-40 ding dongs. His strength is his hitting, not his speed. You can do things to improve your speed and get small gains. Why would you spend 50 percent of your time trying to develop a weakness, when you can spend that time developing your strength.

I had a Scout from the Royals tell me in business. If you were a great speaker, and a poor writer, what would you try to develop? He said make yourself an outstanding speaker! You can improve your writing, but you will not be great>

[korp]

Exactly, so why do you even try? Stay in Little League.
Interesting thought .... but I was not aware you could tell your genetic potential before you even hit puberty....

[Horns]

Dont let weight training take away from your skill training...i agree.

I think a hundred swings a day and hundred wall ball groundballs a day is a good goal for skill training.


HOWEVER, get in the weight room. You have the right idea.

"THE INCHES WE NEED ARE ALL AROUND US"...........sound familiar

if you go to the weight room and drop your 60 from a 7.2 to a seven (very reasonable) and this helps you win a game....then its all worth it.

I am a competitor. I will do anything to win. I want to gain that inch anywhere i can get it.


Thats my attitude. IMO its a whole lot better than sitting around and waiting to see if your genetics will kick in





and ps. the prince fielder point is moot. This kid is a shortstop (ITS IN THE OP). Speed and quickness are VERY important if he wants to become good enough to play varsity/college