Top 10 by position: round 6

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

More votes than ever last time! Let's keep it up!

By the way, please consider a player's entire career when ranking, not just their stats at that position.

Shortstops-
1) Honus Wagner- 148 points
2) A-Rod- 133 points
3) Pop Lloyd- 103 points
4) Arky Vaughan- 101 points
5) Cal Ripken Jr.- 88 points
6) Ernie Banks- 64 points
7) Robin Yount- 50 points
8) Barry Larkin- 30 points
9) Joe Cronin- 22 points
George Davis- 22 points


Catchers-
1) Josh Gibson- 132 points
2) Johnny Bench- 123 points
3) Yogi Berra- 105 points
4) Mike Piazza- 86 points
5) Mickey Cochrane- 73 points
6) Gary Carter- 48 points
7) Ivan Rodriguez- 40 points
8) Buck Ewing- 36 points
9) Carlton Fisk- 33 points
10) Gabby Hartnett- 29 points

First Basemen-
1) Lou Gehrig- 118 points
2) Jimmie Foxx- 107 Points
3) Jeff Bagwell- 66 points
4) Hank Greenberg- 58 points
5) Willie McCovey- 51 points
6) Frank Thomas- 45 points
7) Johnny Mize- 44 points
8) Dan Brouthers- 38 points
9) Cap Anson- 33 points
10) Eddie Murray- 23 points

Second Basemen-
Rogers Hornsby- 111 points
2) Eddie Collins- 100 points
3) Joe Morgan- 89 points
4) Nap Lajoie- 85 points
5) Jackie Robinson- 68 points
6) Charlie Gehringer- 60 points
7) Craig Biggio- 29 points
8) Ryne Sandberg- 28 points
9) Roberto Alomar- 27 points
10) Rod Carew- 19 points

Third basemen-
1) Mike Schmidt- 137 points
2) George Brett- 116 points
3) Eddie Mathews- 114 points
4) Wade Boggs- 97 points
5) Frank Baker- 70 points
6) Chipper Jones- 65 points
7) Ron Santo- 57 points
8) Brooks Robinson- 28 points
9) Jimmy Collins- 21 points
10) Jud Wilson- 10 points

We now go to the outfield (please read bold note above). My choices for left field:
1) Ted Williams
2) Stan Musial
3) Barry Bonds
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Joe Jackson
6) Al Simmons
7) Carl Yastrzemski
8) Ed Delahanty
9) Manny Ramirez
10) Tim Raines

[AstrosFan]

1. Ted Williams
2. Barry Bonds
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Tim Raines
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Carl Yastrzemski
8. Al Simmons
9. Manny Ramirez
10. Willie Stargell

[Domenic]

1 - Ted Williams
2 - Stan Musial
3 - Joe Jackson
4 - Stan Musial
5 - Barry Bonds
6 - Rickey Henderson
7 - Manny Ramirez
8 - Al Simmons
9 - Tim Raines
10 - Goose Goslin

[jjpm74]

What field are we doing here?

[STLCards2]

1. Ted Williams
2. Stan Musial
3. Barry Bonds
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Ed Delehanty
6. Carl Yazstremski
7. Tim Raines
8. Manny Ramirez
9. Al Simmons
10.Joe Jackson

[CTaka]

1. Ted Williams
2. Stan Musial
3. Rickey Henderson
4. Barry B*nds (if it were Bonds instead of B*nds, he'd be duking it out with Teddy Ballgame for the top spot).
5. Joe Jackson
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Al Simmons
9. Carl Yaz
10. Tim Raines

[PVNICK]

1. Ted Williams
2. Stan Musial
3. Barry Bonds
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Al Simmons
6. Carl Yastrzemski
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Ed Delehanty
9. Joe Jackson
10. Billy Williams or Goose Goslin or Tim Raines or Willie Stargell or Pete Rose, etc.

LF seems to have the most players who did not play the majority of their career in LF so it seems to be the default position for a lot of players.

[leecemark]

1) Ted Williams
2) Barry Bonds
3) Stan Musial
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Carl Yastrzmeski
6) Turkey Stearnes
7) Ed Delahanty
8) Tim Raines
9) Willie Stargell
10) Jim O'Rourke

[jjpm74]

What field are we doing here?

Does the sound of crickets mean we're just doing outfielders in general?

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Does the sound of crickets mean we're just doing outfielders in general?

Left fielders.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

1. Ted Williams
2. Stan Musial
3. Barry Bonds
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Al Simmons
6. Carl Yastrzemski
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Ed Delehanty
9. Joe Jackson
10. Billy Williams or Goose Goslin or Tim Raines or Willie Stargell or Pete Rose, etc.

LF seems to have the most players who did not play the majority of their career in LF so it seems to be the default position for a lot of players.

Could you please pick a number ten slot?

[jjpm74]

1. Ted Williams
2. Barry Bonds
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Minnie Minoso
7. Tim Raines
8. Billy Williams
9. Ralph Kiner
10. Jim O'Rourke

[Blackout]

Ted Williams
Joe Jackson
Stan Musial
Manny Ramirez
Ralph Kiner
carl "yaz"
turkey stearns
Ed Delahanty
Al Simmons
Ricky Henderson

[brett]

1) Ted Williams
2) Barry Bonds
3) Stan Musial
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Yaz
6) Delahanty
7) Raines
8) Stargell
9) Ramirez
10) Simmons

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

C'mon, folks! Do I need to beg for more votes? We did so well last time!

[PVNICK]

Could you please pick a number ten slot?
Goose Goslin

[sgrosm2]

1. Ted Williams
2. Stan Musial
3. Barry Bonds
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Joe Jackson
6. Turkey Stearnes
7. Ed Delahanty
8. Carl Yaztremsky
9. Willie Stargell
10. Pete Rose

[wardawg]

1. Williams
2. Bonds
3. Henderson
4. Delahanty
5. Musial
6. Joe Jackson
7. Manny
8. Yaz
9.Stargell
10. Rose

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Votes are now closed. Thanks to all who voted. I will have the results later today. Next round is center fielders.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

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[Paul Wendt]

Just in, the Hall of Merit rankings of leftfielders, top ten only.

1. T. Williams
2. Musial
--- (Henderson is not yet officially a HoMer) ---
3. Delahanty
4. Yastrzemski
5. Raines
6. Burkett
7. Simmons
8. Clarke
9. B. Williams
10. Irvin

References:
: Monte Irvin to the LF Ballot (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/discussion/monte_irvin_to_the_lf_ballot/)
: Hall of Merit Archives (see August 2008 for LF rankings) (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/archives/)

This list incorporates the result of a special election to slot Monte Irvin among the leftfielders (projection based on reports from 93% of precincts). Irvin played center, short, and third in the Negro Leagues and the HOM initially put him in center for purpose of these special elections by fielding position, later reallocated him to left because he didn't play much at any one of his three NeL positions and he did play LF primarily in the National League.

The top ten is no big deal at the Hall of Merit, merely the first ten of those members who are grouped by fielding position for the purpose of these special projects. Twenty-two (22) members including Irvin are grouped as "Left Fielders". Rickey Henderson will join them Sunday night.
: Hall of Merit, "2009 Ballot (Elect 3)" (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/discussion/2009_ballot/) - deadline, Sun -12-07 8:00pm

By the way, Jim O'Rourke is in center; Joe Jackson and Pete Rose are in right.

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For reference here are the results posted at the top of the "round 7" thread here in the History of the Game forum.
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Left Fielders-
1) Ted Williams- 120 points
2) Stan Musial- 100 points
3) Barry Bonds- 95 points
4) Rickey Henderson- 79 points
5) Carl Yastrzemski- 57 points
6) Ed Delahanty- 45 points
7) Joe Jackson- 43 points
8) Manny Ramirez- 33 points
9) Tim Raines- 26 points
Al Simmons- 26 points
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[Bill Burgess]

LF Form Chart:

Pre-1900: Harry Stovey, Ed Delahanty, Jesse Burkett, Jim O'Rourke, Tip O'Neill, Abner Dalrymple

Post-1900: Sherry Magee, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Barry Bonds, Ricky Henderson, Carl Yasztrzemski, Joe Jackson, Al Simmons, Billy Williams, Ralph Kiner, Fred Clarke, Zack Wheat, Jimmy Sheckard, Duffy Lewis, Joe "Ducky" Medwick, Willie Stargell, Manny Ramirez.
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Bill James' Top LF: 1. Ted Williams 2. Stan Musial 3. Barry Bonds 4. Rickey Henderson 5. Carl Yasztrzemski 6. Joe Jackson 7. Al Simmons 8. Tim Raines 9. Willie Stargell 10. Minnie Minoso 11. Billy Williams 12. Ed Delahanty 13. Joe Medwick 15. Lou Brock 16. Goose Goslin 18. Ralph Kiner 19. Frank Howard 20. Albert Belle 22. Fred Clarke 23. Zack Wheat 24. Jimmy Sheckard 33. Bobby Veach 50. Ken Williams 52. Lefty O'Doul 55. Willie Horton 61. Riggs Stevenson 85. Duffy Lewis
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My slate of candidates for Left Fielder:

1. Stan Musial - 1941-63 - Great from 1943-58. Bat/glove/runner, did it all. Total credit to BB. Lots of records, and I don't mean Sinatra's.

2. Joe Jackson - 1911-20 - Hit .408 as rookie. Magical player. I say he's clean. Got the shaft.

3. Ted Williams - 1939-60 - Hitting deluxe. Good arm, bad attitude. Refusal to hit to LF to defeat shift cost his team countless games. Best plate discipline in game, 40's peak awesome, glove never concerned him. Ego.

4. Barry Bonds* - 1986-present. Great since 1990, Titan since 2001. Player of his generation. Convinced he's dirty, but I'm not dealing with that yet. (*Known steroid abuser.)

5. Carl Yasztrzemski - 1961-83 - No weaknesses. Peaked in late 60's. Longevity case, plus great 60's peak. Maxed out in 1967 WS.

6. Rickey Henderson - 1979-03. Now 46, holds SB, Runs records. Briefly held Walks record till Barry Bonds broke it. Little loud for my taste, not my kind of player.

7. Al Simmons - 1924-44 - Great offense, good glove. Considered best in game in 1931 by Mack, McGraw and Dan Howley. Good up to 1936.

8. Billy Williams - 1959-76 - Great 60's OF would include Billy, Rose, Oliva & Yaz. 1963-71 played consecutive game streak. Gorgeously fluid stroke was thing of beauty. Beloved longevity case at Wrigley. Took forever to reach Hall - 1987. Deserved it. Wonderful hitter, nice glove. Peaked around 1970-72. Might have injured himself.

9. Zach Wheat - 1909-27 - Ebbets Field fan darling. Sprayed line drives everywhere. Wonderful glove. Live ball really helped him reach 1923-25 hitting peak. Known for stern bat, but glove was right there too.

10. Fred Clarke - 1894-13 - Pirate Mgr. most of time. Bat/glove/ran. Longevity case.
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My Honorable Mentions:

11. Ralph Kiner - 1946-55 - Led league in HRs, 1946-52, great peak, HR/walks specialist. Kiner/Killebrew/R.Jackson, my poster boys as power specialists (Sluggish Sluggers club). No thanks.

12. Ed Delahanty - 1888-1903 - Great "deadball" slugger. Lots black ink. One TPR title. Some consider best slugger of 1800's. Maybe he was.

13. Albert Belle - 1989-2000 - 1995-98 sensational peak. Some considered him a "head case" with a nasty attitude reminiscent of Richie Allen. Maybe couldn't handle racism like a professional. Injury put him down prematurely.

14. Willie Stargell - 1962-82 - Pirates every day of his career. Power to burn. 1971-73 peak was up there. Pops was totally popular guy.

15. Goose Goslin - 1921-38 - Known as good hitter on good Wash. team. Led league with .379 in 1928. Glove not bad either.

16. Jimmy Sheckard - 1897-1913 - Led league once in these categories: runs, triples, HRs, on-base %, SLG. %, and twice in walks & SBs. All time glove.

17. Jim Rice - 1974-89 - Led league once in hits, triples, and twice in RBIs, SLG., & thrice in HRs. 7 all star teams.

18. Ducky Medwick - 1932-48 - Ducky Wucky was a hard-nosed, tough guy who led his league in everything in 1937. Led 6 other times outside '37. Charter member of Gashouse Wrecking Crew, with Pepper Martin, Frankie Frisch, Dean Bros., Durocher.

19. Manny Ramirez - 1993-present - Heavy bat, but whiffs too often. Still puts runs on the boards. And that's what counts.

20. Tim Raines - 1979-2002 - Set-up guy. Scored over 100 R. 7 times. Led L. in SB 4 times in row. 16 black ink says he's good. Led league in Wins shares 3 times in row. Once in TPR. '86 best yr. Longevity case produced 2605 hits with .294 career BA. 6 times over .300.

21. Duffy Lewis - 1910-21 - Famed for his glove/arm. Greatest defensive OF with Spoke/Hooper from 1910-15. Only hit .300 twice.

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Missed the cut: Lou Brock, Jesse Burkett, Minnie Minoso, Bobby Veach, Lefty O'Doul, Willie Horton, Bob Meusel.

Looks like I'll be the last guy in the house to do these things non-statistically.