Easton Stealth IMX .vs. Easton Synergy IMX

[dbacksfan95]

http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/0d/24/e72a_1.JPG.vs.
http://i2.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/0d/c9/0f30_1.GIF

I am trying to decide which bat to get. I am haven't had any experience with either yet, however, they seem similar. I was wondering if anybody could help me out.
Thanks

P.S. I need help ASAP

I am getting a 32in./29oz.

[bigredmachine#1]

this will do the same thing for a lot less:

[dbacksfan95]

this will do the same thing for a lot less:

I can get the stealth for $200. I'm willing to pay that but thanks for the suggestion. Do you have any suggestion about which Easton bat I should choose? And I had a horrible experience with my first demarini therefore I will never buy another one.

[bigredmachine#1]

My point was that you don't need to spend $200 to get a good bat. You're paying for the latest graphics/color schemes and marketing. That particular DeMarini is a simple one piece 7050 aluminum alloy bat that will transfer energy to a baseball quite well. Most of the bat manufacturers have a 7050 alloy bat, doesn't have to be a DeMarini. Have you had any problems with a Worth?

If you must burn up the $200 to buy one of the Easton's either one will do what you want it to do and your friends will think you're really cool.

If you have a good swing any bat will work. How's your swing??

[hitnpeas]

http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/0d/24/e72a_1.JPG.vs.
http://i2.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/0d/c9/0f30_1.GIF

I am trying to decide which bat to get. I am haven't had any experience with either yet, however, they seem similar. I was wondering if anybody could help me out.
Thanks

P.S. I need help ASAP

I am getting a 32in./29oz.

IMHO I would get the BLUE STEALTH COMP IMX BCN9. The major differences are the two piece BLUE (BCN9) vs the one piece RED (BZN1). The BZN1 will be a stiffer bat and swings more balanced but the BLUE seems to have more pop/distance from what ive seen. If you can get one for 2 bills that is a good price for a really nice bat. It isnt always about how much you pay as I have seen some really expensive duds, but this bat is proven and will way out perform the alloy bats that were suggested.... Good luck!! :)

this will do the same thing for a lot less:

No offense, but you are way off base here. Either that or you have never hit a well broken in composite bat. Granted, alloy like the EXO GRID are very quality bats, but to say that POS demarini you posted is comprable to say the Combat B1 for LL or the blue stealth IMX couldnt be further from the truth.... Money doesnt always buy performance, but in this case the money is well spent.... :shhh:

[bigredmachine#1]

I've seen to many good high school players with good swings with those out of date "POS" Demarini's, Worth's, TPX's, etc out hit and out distance the kids with the "latest and greatest" POS new, over priced and over hyped bats...especially Eastons. you're just buying in to the slick marketing hitnpeas...generally intended for those who are trying to buy a good swing...

[LAball]

I agree that composite vs 2 piece aluminum vs 1 piece aluminum has a difference. But I willing to guess that the difference will not be noticable with a typical HS swing. Batting cages are about $2 around. So thats an extra 50 rounds of BP if you get the $100 bat. But then again my wife bout an LV purse for $1k and never has more the 100 bucks in there :banghead:

[hitnpeas]

I've seen to many good high school players with good swings with those out of date "POS" Demarini's, Worth's, TPX's, etc out hit and out distance the kids with the "latest and greatest" POS new, over priced and over hyped bats...especially Eastons. you're just buying in to the slick marketing hitnpeas...generally intended for those who are trying to buy a good swing...

Comparing apples to oranges.... We are talking about THIS bat (BCN9) not the entire easton line. The BCN9 compared to the POS demarini nitro and the worth you posted in the hands of the same batter will make a difference. If you want to be ignorant to the new technology, so be it. I guess the guys who won the CWS were just buying into the "marketing technology" and trying to "buy a good swing" :rolleyes: You ever hit a Combat B1? I would gladly put that up against any, and I mean any little league bat out there as far as performance, sweet spot. It is head and shoulders better than any alloy bat out there in the hands of the same hitter. There are a few that can compete but nothing that can keep up. Check it out before you post any more uneducated rubbish....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2705946520_2e71a087b7.jpg?v=0

I agree that composite vs 2 piece aluminum vs 1 piece aluminum has a difference. But I willing to guess that the difference will not be noticable with a typical HS swing. Batting cages are about $2 around. So thats an extra 50 rounds of BP if you get the $100 bat. But then again my wife bout an LV purse for $1k and never has more the 100 bucks in there :banghead:

I believe you have guessed wrong.... Again, not all composite bats out there are created equal nor are all alloy bats. Pop the endcap off of a few and you can see the differences in thickness etc. The TPX EXO is a quality alloy bat, but to say the typical HS player wouldn't see a difference between a 50 buck demarini nitro and the BCN9 is really a misinformed statement....Check em out and see for yourself. Good luck!! :)

[bigredmachine#1]

Comparing apples to oranges.... We are talking about THIS bat (BCN9) not the entire easton line. The BCN9 compared to the POS demarini nitro and the worth you posted in the hands of the same batter will make a difference. If you want to be ignorant to the new technology, so be it. I guess the guys who won the CWS were just buying into the "marketing technology" and trying to "buy a good swing" :rolleyes: You ever hit a Combat B1? I would gladly put that up against any, and I mean any little league bat out there as far as performance, sweet spot. It is head and shoulders better than any alloy bat out there in the hands of the same hitter. There are a few that can compete but nothing that can keep up. Check it out before you post any more uneducated rubbish....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2705946520_2e71a087b7.jpg?v=0



I believe you have guessed wrong.... Again, not all composite bats out there are created equal nor are all alloy bats. Pop the endcap off of a few and you can see the differences in thickness etc. The TPX EXO is a quality alloy bat, but to say the typical HS player wouldn't see a difference between a 50 buck demarini nitro and the BCN9 is really a misinformed statement....Check em out and see for yourself. Good luck!! :)

They get free bats from Easton...Heck, I would use it if it was free. That kid will hit the ball just as far with the Nitro as he will with that over priced, pretty blue Easton. Easton loves kids like you... wannabe pea hitter...

[hitnpeas]

They get free bats from Easton...Heck, I would use it if it was free. That kid will hit the ball just as far with the Nitro as he will with that over priced, pretty blue Easton. Easton loves kids like you... wannabe pea hitter...

So why isn’t he or anyone else hitting an Easton Hammer with the 7046 alloy? Why, because it is a POS compared to composite *******!! Agreed that the bats are overpriced but that isn’t the issue here.... or is it? I thought your argument is that all the bats are created equal and I am here to tell you that you are about as ignorant as they come if you believe this to be true. Keep telling yourself that there is no difference so you can feel better about buying that POS 60 dollar bat from walmart. I doubt the teams that are sponsored by Demarini are swinging the nitro!! In fact, I bet you can’t find one D-1 kid at any school that swings that log other than to hit rocks or pound in fence posts.....

[bigredmachine#1]

if you're a good hitter you'll get lots of good hits regardless what stick you bring to the plate...if you're a lousy hitter you can spend $400 on a bat and still suck...which one are you???

BESR...they're all the same...:rofl:

you just keep spending your money wisely kid and buying into all the hype:rofl:

[LAball]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2705946520_2e71a087b7.jpg?v=0




The hitters rear foot is pretty high off the ground. Just a guess without video . I'd say this is push block pushback type of swing.

[dbacksfan95]

The hitters rear foot is pretty high off the ground. Just a guess without video . I'd say this is push block pushback type of swing.

maybe he has already hit the ball. you can't tell what direction the ball is going.

[Ursa Major]

maybe he has already hit the ball. you can't tell what direction the ball is going.If he's already hit the ball, that would be one 'ell of a big kickback from the ball.

[hitnpeas]

if you're a good hitter you'll get lots of good hits regardless what stick you bring to the plate...if you're a lousy hitter you can spend $400 on a bat and still suck...which one are you???

True that the bat does not make a batter into a hitter, but it can make the hitter MORE productive if they choose the right equipment. The fact that you believe all bats are created equal, regardless of the material used or the thickness of the barrel wall is laughable. I could show you 3 bats, from 3 different manufacturers, 3 different prices that perform at 3 different levels.... Sounds like you are just ignorant to the latest technology and/or too cheap to pay for a bat that will help increase the exit speed of the ball once hit.


BESR...they're all the same...:rofl:

Once again you prove how much you don't know about bat performance. The main thing the BESR stamp signifies is that the exit speed of the ball when the bat was tested was at or below the BESR prescribed limit. This is the MAXIMUM EXIT SPEED the ball can display during testing considering pitched ball speed and bat speed. Following along so far? :rolleyes: Bat A may display exit speeds of 65 mph, Bat B might test at 75mph and Bat C at 85 mph. All 3 of these may be given the BESR stamp if they test at or below the defined limit. Bat D that tests at 105 mph may exceed the standard so it does not receive the BESR certification stamp. So you see, the BCN9 and the POS Nitro both have the same stamp, which you feel makes them the same, but the test results will show you how different they really are. Make sense BigRed? Probably not, lol....

you just keep spending your money wisely kid and buying into all the hype:rofl:....

Although there is a lot of HYPE about certain bats, and some aren’t worth 100 bucks even though they are stickered at 300+, I guarantee that if you do your homework, get out and test bats, you will see a significant difference between the QUALITY high performance bats and the POS Wal-Mart specials like you seem to be so high on. Enjoy your warning track power!! :dance

[Freestate]

Peas, how 'bout you give us a little of your background so we know where you're coming from? Eg. age, playing/coaching experience, any kids, etc. Thanks.

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

[hitnpeas]

Peas, how 'bout you give us a little of your background so we know where you're coming from? Eg. age, playing/coaching experience, any kids, etc. Thanks.

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

lol. Are you hitting on me? j/k.... I am in no way saying I am an expert as far as hitting/fielding etc, but I have been around the game for a day or two. I currently coach little league baseball and through my experiences as a player/coach, I have learned a lot about the designs and performance of baseball/softball bats. Seeing how they perform and disecting them to see why, has all been quite interesting. I will be the first to admit that even after all the years ive played and coached, I am very much a student of the game. Some of the guys on here who break down swings frame by frame make this a fun/educational place to surf around. I have learned a lot in the short time ive been here. That said, I feel I know a thing or two about bats and how they perform, and I will tell you like I told the other guy, they are NOT all created equally. In fact, not even close!! Do I know everything about them? No I do not!! Do I know that a well broken in composite like the BCN9 can without question out perform a Demarini Nitro? Yes, I can give you that answer without a second thought!! So..... How did I do? While we are at it, who exactly are you? :)

[bigredmachine#1]

lol. Are you hitting on me? j/k.... I am in no way saying I am an expert as far as hitting/fielding etc, but I have been around the game for a day or two. I currently coach little league baseball and through my experiences as a player/coach, I have learned a lot about the designs and performance of baseball/softball bats. Seeing how they perform and disecting them to see why, has all been quite interesting. I will be the first to admit that even after all the years ive played and coached, I am very much a student of the game. Some of the guys on here who break down swings frame by frame make this a fun/educational place to surf around. I have learned a lot in the short time ive been here. That said, I feel I know a thing or two about bats and how they perform, and I will tell you like I told the other guy, they are NOT all created equally. In fact, not even close!! Do I know everything about them? No I do not!! Do I know that a well broken in composite like the BCN9 can without question out perform a Demarini Nitro? Yes, I can give you that answer without a second thought!! So..... How did I do? While we are at it, who exactly are you? :)


Oh...a little league coach....well then I'll just defer to you...you must be quite the bat expert...:rofl:

You keep buyin' up those $300 bats kid...:rofl::rofl:

I'll take a fundamentally sound team with kids swinging $50 to $75 bats, $50 uniforms, $59 well worn gloves against a team with a few good players (little Johnny All-Stars), their $300 bats (each kid probably has at least 2 of them), $250 uniform packages, Rawlings Primo glove $399, latte sipping and BMW driving parents...beat them all day long and send them back to their McMansion thinking about switching to soccer:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Equipment does not make the player.

[BaseballOC2]

Oh...a little league coach....well then I'll just defer to you...you must be quite the bat expert...:rofl:

You keep buyin' up those $300 bats kid...:rofl::rofl:

I'll take a fundamentally sound team with kids swinging $50 to $75 bats, $50 uniforms, $59 well worn gloves against a team with a few good players (little Johnny All-Stars), their $300 bats (each kid probably has at least 2 of them), $250 uniform packages, Rawlings Primo glove $399, latte sipping and BMW driving parents...beat them all day long and send them back to their McMansion thinking about switching to soccer:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Equipment does not make the player.


I'd rather have a team that is fundamentally sound and has that high price equipment. No one ever said you have to be rich to have that equipment.:banghead:

[hitnpeas]

Oh...a little league coach....well then I'll just defer to you...you must be quite the bat expert...:rofl:

You keep buyin' up those $300 bats kid...:rofl::rofl:

I'll take a fundamentally sound team with kids swinging $50 to $75 bats, $50 uniforms, $59 well worn gloves against a team with a few good players (little Johnny All-Stars), their $300 bats (each kid probably has at least 2 of them), $250 uniform packages, Rawlings Primo glove $399, latte sipping and BMW driving parents...beat them all day long and send them back to their McMansion thinking about switching to soccer:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Equipment does not make the player.

So what is wrong with a fundamentally sound team that uses high performance bats? You think Tiger Woods uses a Wilson driver from Wal-Mart even though he is the best golfer on the planet? No!! He uses the most high tech equipment he can get so he can not only be fundamentally sound, but get the most from the clubs he uses.

As for being a little league coach and knowing something about bats, what exactly does that have to do with anything? Ive played competitive baseball and now because I choose to teach the game I enjoy, I know nothing about baseball bats? Nice arguement.... :laugh

How bout you just man up and admit you are wrong? That Easton is so much better than the Nitro you posted it is not even close. It has nothing to do with cost just the technology that went into making them. Why dont you humor me some more about BESR cert bats all being the same. Damn cheap ass people are all the same. I drive a 4-Runner and like my coffee black by the way. No BMW's or lattes for me. Some of us enjoy buying the best equipment available. Not the most expensive, but the best performing.... It would take some research and knowledge about bat material, wall thickness, and obtaining exit speed information, so I doubt you have the smarts to go the extra mile....

Why dont you enlighten us all and tell us about your baseball career? What makes you the expert on baseball bats? Delivering pizza in S.C. doesnt make you an expert as is evident from previous posts!! :shhh: :shhh:

[hitnpeas]

I'd rather have a team that is fundamentally sound and has that high price equipment. No one ever said you have to be rich to have that equipment.:banghead:

Thank you....Finally, the voice of reason!!

[rkbenn]

the expensive bats made no different in the little league world series. i lost count with all the check swing HRs.

[LAball]

A bigger sweet spot or a bat with more pop does not always mean it will help the batter. Example (1) If a better uses the cheap bat and hits it off center you get a slow roller to the the SS ( or other infielder ) because its a slow roller the runner can beat the ball. Same batter same hit with the hot composite, you get a faster grounder to SS and the runner has less time to make it to 1st. (2) Batter with a cheap bat hits a pop up the just makes it over the infielders head and drops behind the infielder, runner gets on safely. Batter with the $300 bat pops up and makes it to the outfield, the outfielder catches the ball, runner is out. Now of course you can call it the other way also, so the hotter bat does not gaurantee better results especially in kids. The only time you can garantee better performace from the hot bat is hitting home runs.

[hitnpeas]

the expensive bats made no different in the little league world series. i lost count with all the check swing HRs.

You are kidding me right? What bats do you think were being used in the LLWS that accounted for some of those check swing HR's? Hawaii who had some solid hitters anyway, were using the LL version of the Blue Easton (LCN9). Japan, after playing against Georgia last year switched to the B1 because of its performance. Anybody know what the team from LA was using? You probably never heard of them but the technology that they use made for some hot sticks. It isnt always about the cost, but sometimes you get what you pay for....

[hitnpeas]

A bigger sweet spot or a bat with more pop does not always mean it will help the batter. Example (1) If a better uses the cheap bat and hits it off center you get a slow roller to the the SS ( or other infielder ) because its a slow roller the runner can beat the ball. Same batter same hit with the hot composite, you get a faster grounder to SS and the runner has less time to make it to 1st. (2) Batter with a cheap bat hits a pop up the just makes it over the infielders head and drops behind the infielder, runner gets on safely. Batter with the $300 bat pops up and makes it to the outfield, the outfielder catches the ball, runner is out. Now of course you can call it the other way also, so the hotter bat does not gaurantee better results especially in kids. The only time you can garantee better performace from the hot bat is hitting home runs.

There are times where the hotter bat could make for an out I guess, but if you hit the ball hard, you have a better chance of getting on base during the course of a season. The high performing bats have a much higher ball exit speed compared to the cheap alloy bats so hitting with them gives you an advantage. Again, this isnt about the COST of the bat. It is about the FACT that not all bats are created equal and you are limiting your potential if you are using a bat that doesnt perform as well as another.... Good luck!!

[rkbenn]

You are kidding me right? What bats do you think were being used in the LLWS that accounted for some of those check swing HR's? Hawaii who had some solid hitters anyway, were using the LL version of the Blue Easton (LCN9). Japan, after playing against Georgia last year switched to the B1 because of its performance. Anybody know what the team from LA was using? You probably never heard of them but the technology that they use made for some hot sticks. It isnt always about the cost, but sometimes you get what you pay for....


Hawaii's team was very well coached and had great swings. Other than that it was it and miss with the other teams! After watching them for the first time, their very first regional game, on this site, i stated they were impressive. You can't tell me that after watching these kids in the LL world series hit sooo many check swing HR that swinging these composite bats didn't play a role in that is crazy.

A B-1, IMX, or ect versus the demarini nitro, in the hands of a player that has a great swing has no impact is crazy...I've seen it first hand like many others (5-15 feet or greater)...lets put a Persimmon driver in the hands of Tiger Woods and see how many Majors he wins.

BTW my son swings a Demarini Nitro and does just fine.

[rkbenn]

the expensive bats made no different in the little league world series. i lost count with all the check swing HRs.

this was suppose to be a joke and not taken literally

[Drill]

i buy the bat because it cost a lot and it looks pretty, so i can profile and flex for the babes in the on deck circle with my $500.00 bat plus tip.

if you don't have the swing don't even try, all you are doing is fooling yourself, if not now in the future when you go to wood bats.


love always,

drill

[AltaLomaStorm]

We have had the opportunity to try a lot of different bats (size, weight and composition) due to some contacts our team has. As others have already said, the latest/greatest bat probably adds some distance to how far the ball travels, however, this is no "long term" substitution for a fundamentally sound swing (which I think we all agree with).

IMO, another ingredient equally important is the mental aspect. Regardless of the bat, if the kid believes his bat is the greatest and has confidence in what he is swinging, he is already ahead of the game. Maybe a better way to say it...if the kid is "comfortable" with his bat, regardless of the cost, I think he will be more successful. Just my two cents.

That being said, my son, who just turned 12, uses a one piece alloy LS Omaha TPX (just over $125). I recently bought a one piece Worth Copperhead (30, -5) for 69 bucks that he swings in the cage to start transitioning him toward a -3.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm114/cbrcanyoncrver/bats.jpg

In HIS mind, the Omaha is the greatest bat ever made, he swings it well and is hitting the ball better than he ever has, with power and distance. He tried the blue Stealth mentioned above and did not like it due to the balance. That does not mean it is not a great bat, it just means it was not for him. :highfive:

[hitnpeas]

Hawaii's team was very well coached and had great swings. Other than that it was it and miss with the other teams! After watching them for the first time, their very first regional game, on this site, i stated they were impressive. You can't tell me that after watching these kids in the LL world series hit sooo many check swing HR that swinging these composite bats didn't play a role in that is crazy.

A B-1, IMX, or ect versus the demarini nitro, in the hands of a player that has a great swing has no impact is crazy...I've seen it first hand like many others (5-15 feet or greater)...lets put a Persimmon driver in the hands of Tiger Woods and see how many Majors he wins.

BTW my son swings a Demarini Nitro and does just fine.

HI, WA and LA looked to be dominant from the start and they were. That SS from LA is a stud and could flat out crush. Very big hitters on the WA team but HI was just solid from top to bottom and played good D too.

As far as the Nitro, please say it aint so.... :eek: :D



this was suppose to be a joke and not taken literally

try using some of these next time.... :D:D:D

i buy the bat because it cost a lot and it looks pretty, so i can profile and flex for the babes in the on deck circle with my $500.00 bat plus tip.

if you don't have the swing don't even try, all you are doing is fooling yourself, if not now in the future when you go to wood bats.


love always,

drill

chicks dig pretty bats.... :laugh

We have had the opportunity to try a lot of different bats (size, weight and composition) due to some contacts our team has. As others have already said, the latest/greatest bat probably adds some distance to how far the ball travels, however, this is no "long term" substitution for a fundamentally sound swing (which I think we all agree with).

IMO, another ingredient equally important is the mental aspect. Regardless of the bat, if the kid believes his bat is the greatest and has confidence in what he is swinging, he is already ahead of the game. Maybe a better way to say it...if the kid is "comfortable" with his bat, regardless of the cost, I think he will be more successful. Just my two cents.

That being said, my son, who just turned 12, uses a one piece alloy LS Omaha TPX (just over $125). I recently bought a one piece Worth Copperhead (30, -5) for 69 bucks that he swings in the cage to start transitioning him toward a -3.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm114/cbrcanyoncrver/bats.jpg

In HIS mind, the Omaha is the greatest bat ever made, he swings it well and is hitting the ball better than he ever has, with power and distance. He tried the blue Stealth mentioned above and did not like it due to the balance. That does not mean it is not a great bat, it just means it was not for him. :highfive:

Just curious if he has ever tried a B1, Virus or Anderson TZ and if so what he thought of them? You can pick em up used for what you paid for the others and maybe he will like one of these as well. Just a thought.... Good luck!! :)

[AltaLomaStorm]

Just curious if he has ever tried a B1, Virus or Anderson TZ and if so what he thought of them? You can pick em up used for what you paid for the others and maybe he will like one of these as well. Just a thought.... Good luck!! :)
When we last played LL @ 10 years old, they all used the Combat B1 in All Stars. That is one amazing bat...but we kept cracking them beyond use. We still have a couple kids on our TB team that still uses the LL Combat. Our TB team got one of the first Virus' to try at practice and I was very disappointed. The ball just died coming off the bat. We have not used one since. A couple kids swing the Anderson, but it is usually our bigger kids. Mine tried it and again, did not like the (end loaded) balance.

[hitnpeas]

When we last played LL @ 10 years old, they all used the Combat B1 in All Stars. That is one amazing bat...but we kept cracking them beyond use. We still have a couple kids on our TB team that still uses the LL Combat. Our TB team got one of the first Virus' to try at practice and I was very disappointed. The ball just died coming off the bat. We have not used one since. A couple kids swing the Anderson, but it is usually our bigger kids. Mine tried it and again, did not like the (end loaded) balance.

Yeah the Anderson is a solid bat but not for everyone. The sweetspot is smaller and more EL'd. The B1 can give you problems with durability that the B2 should address. The performance of the B1 is unmatched imo. First ive heard that about the virus. It definitely gets hotter with use. Were y'all using the BB virus or the 2 1/4"? The BB version is a nice stick....

[AltaLomaStorm]

It was the BB version. Maybe the bat we had was just a dog...but to be honest, I have never seen a Virus in any of the tournaments we have been in during the last two years.

Was watching our older team playing up in a u14 major tournament today and most of the kids are using either the blue or red stealth.

[hitnpeas]

It was the BB version. Maybe the bat we had was just a dog...but to be honest, I have never seen a Virus in any of the tournaments we have been in during the last two years.

Was watching our older team playing up in a u14 major tournament today and most of the kids are using either the blue or red stealth.

The virus doesnt get near the love the B1 does but is a pretty decent BB. I am not sold on the 2 1/4" as the B1 is just that much better. Blue/Red stealths? What nobody swinging the NITRO? :rofl:

[rkbenn]

The virus doesnt get near the love the B1 does but is a pretty decent BB. I am not sold on the 2 1/4" as the B1 is just that much better. Blue/Red stealths? What nobody swinging the NITRO? :rofl:

Yes the nitro. I've got 3 sports to pay for. His swing is the most important. Plus he never asked for any other bats, he uses the one I put in his hands and doesn't question.

I had a couple kids that went from using balanced bats and bought an end loaded B1 and had all kinds of trouble, but their swings were flaud in the first place, and when they added this bat, it exposed it even more. Combat makes a balanced version to the B1, and the Virus is balanced...the techzilla is end loaded as well.

[hitnpeas]

Yes the nitro. I've got 3 sports to pay for. His swing is the most important. Plus he never asked for any other bats, he uses the one I put in his hands and doesn't question.

I had a couple kids that went from using balanced bats and bought an end loaded B1 and had all kinds of trouble, but their swings were flaud in the first place, and when they added this bat, it exposed it even more. Combat makes a balanced version to the B1, and the Virus is balanced...the techzilla is end loaded as well.

I hear ya man, just having some fun. Curious if they were using the -12 or -10 B1's? The swing weight on these is interesting as the -10's actually swing lighter (more balanced) than the lighter total weight -12's...You actually get a longer barell as well. G/L....

[LAball]

bought an end loaded B1 and had all kinds of trouble, but their swings were flaud in the first place, and when they added this bat, it exposed it even more. Combat makes a balanced version to the B1, and the Virus is balanced...the techzilla is end loaded as well.

I am glad you know the balance of the these bats. But there are so many bats out there. I wish the bat companies would label the balance / end load of bats for less informed folks to understand.

The swing weight on these is interesting as the -10's actually swing lighter (more balanced) than the lighter total weight -12's...You actually get a longer barell as well.
I guess they took the weight out of the handle on the -12. But see how missleading this is for less informed parents.

[Ursa Major]

I for one would very much like to know what people's head-to-head reaction is between the IMX and the Synergy. Ursa Minor has been using the two-piece ConneXtion style Stealth bats for the past few years, but he's been recommended to use the Synergy now. Thoughts?

And could we please avoid the raw cluelessness of the following two points:

1. "If you're a good hitter you'll get lots of good hits regardless what stick you bring to the plate...if you're a lousy hitter you can spend $400 on a bat and still suck...which one are you???"

The point is that you are making the decision for a single hitter of a given level of skill. Everyone (so long as he or she can hit the ball at all) would prefer a bat that gives a little more pop and comfort out of a bat relative to what he or she would get from a lousy bat. (The "Tiger Woods doesn't use crappy golf clubs" point made above should make it indisputably clear.) Please don't insult our intelligence.

2. "A bigger sweet spot or a bat with more pop does not always mean it will help the batter. Example (1) If a better uses the cheap bat and hits it off center you get a slow roller to the the SS ( or other infielder ) because its a slow roller the runner can beat the ball. Same batter same hit with the hot composite, you get a faster grounder to SS and the runner has less time to make it to 1st."

Yeah, right, let's always hit slow grounders and we'll bat .350. Of course, you'll get cut on the second day of tryouts because you don't show any ability to get the ball out of the infield. C'mon, why even post something so clue-deprived as this?

[LAball]

"Tiger Woods doesn't use crappy golf clubs"


Actually he did. When Nike first bought him out, Tiger had to use Nike's 1st Gen clubs and they were crap compared to pro level clubs.

[Drill]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Drill_U/bst10_lge.jpg

$289.95 free shipping

This is what my son is swinging, he is a line drive hitter and the bat makes a nice sound when he hits it. The infield know they got a screamer coming when he smashes one with the above bat.

He used the same bat in a larger drop in LL, than high school came rules change and got him a least expensive bat till he found his swing and swing weight. He just loves the ring of CNT model when he hits it on the sweet spot


drill


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Drill_U/hitrunscore_2020_74977272.jpg

This was there $200.00 2008 synergy aluminum bat I got him last year when he first went up to High School ball. inch shorter than the bat above. Needless to say it only lasted one season, he told me it lost its pop. So I figure I would go back to what was successful for him and bought the 2009 CNT which he is hitting good in fall ball right now. 2008 synergy aluminum bat did loose its pop!

I did call Easton and they said they will replace the old synerengy bat. But they don't make that one any more. While having the conversation with easton rep. I was telling her that I had just bought the CNT, she said you got the expensive bat. I laughed to myself and said I could of spent another $100.00 and gone composite, but why mess with success. I will be interested to see what they replace the bat with since they don't make this bat in aluminum any more.


Maybe Easton will send him a new 2009 synergy bat which come in composite now. He would probably just use it for batting practice as much as he likes the CNT. No matter what bat he gets, its nice to know there is a manufacture out there that stands behind there product.


drill

[hitnpeas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Drill_U/bst10_lge.jpg

$289.95 free shipping

This is what my son is swinging, he is a line drive hitter and the bat makes a nice sound when he hits it. The infield know they got a screamer coming when he smashes one with the above bat.

He used the same bat in a larger drop in LL, than high school came rules change and got him a least expensive bat till he found his swing and swing weight. He just loves the ring of CNT model when he hits it on the sweet spot


drill


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Drill_U/hitrunscore_2020_74977272.jpg

This was there $200.00 2008 synergy aluminum bat I got him last year when he first went up to High School ball. inch shorter than the bat above. Needless to say it only lasted one season, he told me it lost its pop. So I figure I would go back to what was successful for him and bought the 2009 CNT which he is hitting good in fall ball right now. 2008 synergy aluminum bat did loose its pop!

I did call Easton and they said they will replace the old synerengy bat. But they don't make that one any more. While having the conversation with easton rep. I was telling her that I had just bought the CNT, she said you got the expensive bat. I laughed to myself and said I could of spent another $100.00 and gone composite, but why mess with success. I will be interested to see what they replace the bat with since they don't make this bat in aluminum any more.


Maybe Easton will send him a new 2009 synergy bat which come in composite now. He would probably just use it for batting practice as much as he likes the CNT. No matter what bat he gets, its nice to know there is a manufacture out there that stands behind there product.


drill


Drill,

With no disrespect intended, Easton makes many, many, many different types of synergy bats. They also have a bunch of stealths and some incorporate their marketing tool which labels the bat a CNT (type in easton synergy in google and go to images for the proof) The "CNT" (Carbon Nanotube Technology) is added to some of them which means the bat has composite material somewhere on the bat. It could be all composite or just the handle. The 2008 Synergy bat you got is one of the biggest duds Easton put out imho. I dont think it really lost its pop, I would probably say it never had much to begin with. The first bat your son likes is a CNT because of the composite handle. If you wanted to get a similar bat in a -3 for high school, with BETTER performance, the white/blue stealth I posted below would be my choice. Of course a step better in the Easton line is the BCN9 but you will obviously pay more for it and he won't have that ping he likes due to the composite construction, lol. I guess one of the points to be made is that there are MANY EASTON BATS labeled SYNERGY or labeled STEALTH or labeled CNT and they are NOT created equal. Two bats that look similar may perform quite differently even though they are called basically the same thing. My advice is to test bats and talk to people who use them. Find somewhere to demo bats before you buy. You may save yourself from disappointment when you buy a 200.00 pretty painted dud. Best of luck....

http://www.intertechpira.com/uploads/public/images/Blogs%2FEvent%20photos%2FEvent%20images/Easton_baseball_bat.jpg

[hitnpeas]

I am glad you know the balance of the these bats. But there are so many bats out there. I wish the bat companies would label the balance / end load of bats for less informed folks to understand.


I guess they took the weight out of the handle on the -12. But see how missleading this is for less informed parents.


I take and weigh ALL of my bats and also measure the balance point to compare how they will swing. Pretty easy to do and the local post office should have a digital scale you can use. You might be amazed how many bats do not weigh what they are stickered.

[hitnpeas]

I for one would very much like to know what people's head-to-head reaction is between the IMX and the Synergy. Ursa Minor has been using the two-piece ConneXtion style Stealth bats for the past few years, but he's been recommended to use the Synergy now. Thoughts?

And could we please avoid the raw cluelessness of the following two points:

1. "If you're a good hitter you'll get lots of good hits regardless what stick you bring to the plate...if you're a lousy hitter you can spend $400 on a bat and still suck...which one are you???"

The point is that you are making the decision for a single hitter of a given level of skill. Everyone (so long as he or she can hit the ball at all) would prefer a bat that gives a little more pop and comfort out of a bat relative to what he or she would get from a lousy bat. (The "Tiger Woods doesn't use crappy golf clubs" point made above should make it indisputably clear.) Please don't insult our intelligence.

2. "A bigger sweet spot or a bat with more pop does not always mean it will help the batter. Example (1) If a better uses the cheap bat and hits it off center you get a slow roller to the the SS ( or other infielder ) because its a slow roller the runner can beat the ball. Same batter same hit with the hot composite, you get a faster grounder to SS and the runner has less time to make it to 1st."

Yeah, right, let's always hit slow grounders and we'll bat .350. Of course, you'll get cut on the second day of tryouts because you don't show any ability to get the ball out of the infield. C'mon, why even post something so clue-deprived as this?

Sometimes I just sit back and shake my head at some of the crazy things people actually believe. Some of the "clue-deprived" posts ive seen are evidence that not all people think before they type.... Thanks for the :hp

[rkbenn]

I hear ya man, just having some fun. Curious if they were using the -12 or -10 B1's? The swing weight on these is interesting as the -10's actually swing lighter (more balanced) than the lighter total weight -12's...You actually get a longer barell as well. G/L....

the -12 is balanced, you must have got them switched up. Yes they were -10 (end loaded) with the longer barrell. They market it for the power hitter. Physics of the end loaded bat versus a more balanced bat will show you get more pop. As these players found, getting adjusted to these bats were a big task.

[rkbenn]

[QUOTE=LAball;1323997]I am glad you know the balance of the these bats. But there are so many bats out there. I wish the bat companies would label the balance / end load of bats for less informed folks to understand.


Bat companies can be misleading. Combat does a good job in letting you know, but not all do. Best bet is to email them or call if you want to make absolutely sure.

[rkbenn]

I for one would very much like to know what people's head-to-head reaction is between the IMX and the Synergy. Ursa Minor has been using the two-piece ConneXtion style Stealth bats for the past few years, but he's been recommended to use the Synergy now. Thoughts?

And could we please avoid the raw cluelessness of the following two points:

1. "If you're a good hitter you'll get lots of good hits regardless what stick you bring to the plate...if you're a lousy hitter you can spend $400 on a bat and still suck...which one are you???"

The point is that you are making the decision for a single hitter of a given level of skill. Everyone (so long as he or she can hit the ball at all) would prefer a bat that gives a little more pop and comfort out of a bat relative to what he or she would get from a lousy bat. (The "Tiger Woods doesn't use crappy golf clubs" point made above should make it indisputably clear.) Please don't insult our intelligence.

2. "A bigger sweet spot or a bat with more pop does not always mean it will help the batter. Example (1) If a better uses the cheap bat and hits it off center you get a slow roller to the the SS ( or other infielder ) because its a slow roller the runner can beat the ball. Same batter same hit with the hot composite, you get a faster grounder to SS and the runner has less time to make it to 1st."

Yeah, right, let's always hit slow grounders and we'll bat .350. Of course, you'll get cut on the second day of tryouts because you don't show any ability to get the ball out of the infield. C'mon, why even post something so clue-deprived as this?

Same could be said for a hot grounder to an infielder that may eat them up. I use to use a wooden tennis racket back in the day, and serve the ball about 80-85 mph, with the new rackets 100-110 mph. I must have got stronger.:rofl:

Equipment makes a difference. I just get worried in LL Majors when a 12/13 year old brings a hot bat up to the plate and my 9 year old is pitching. It gets a little scary.

[Drill]

Drill,

With no disrespect intended, Easton makes many, many, many different types of synergy bats. They also have a bunch of stealths and some incorporate their marketing tool which labels the bat a CNT (type in easton synergy in google and go to images for the proof) The "CNT" (Carbon Nanotube Technology) is added to some of them which means the bat has composite material somewhere on the bat. It could be all composite or just the handle. The 2008 Synergy bat you got is one of the biggest duds Easton put out imho. I dont think it really lost its pop, I would probably say it never had much to begin with. The first bat your son likes is a CNT because of the composite handle. If you wanted to get a similar bat in a -3 for high school, with BETTER performance, the white/blue stealth I posted below would be my choice. Of course a step better in the Easton line is the BCN9 but you will obviously pay more for it and he won't have that ping he likes due to the composite construction, lol. I guess one of the points to be made is that there are MANY EASTON BATS labeled SYNERGY or labeled STEALTH or labeled CNT and they are NOT created equal. Two bats that look similar may perform quite differently even though they are called basically the same thing. My advice is to test bats and talk to people who use them. Find somewhere to demo bats before you buy. You may save yourself from disappointment when you buy a 200.00 pretty painted dud. Best of luck....

http://www.intertechpira.com/uploads/public/images/Blogs%2FEvent%20photos%2FEvent%20images/Easton_baseball_bat.jpg

If the bat above is the stiff model I have seen it and am totally mixed up when it came to buying a bat for someone who has not matured all the way to handle a stiff bat. Of course the stiffness has shown to have a larger sweet spot through research. He just wanted the bat he swung when he hit .750 back on the small feild. Of course that is a different ball game there in little league.

Its a mental thing and he is hitting the 2009 cnt like he use to hit it on the small field. Of course those hot grounders are not getting through as much. But at least when he hits his line drives the sound reminds him of his old CNT bat. He does talk about feeling the flex when he hits it on the nose. My question would be swing speed and when you would need to go to stiff flex bat?

I would agree with you about the synergy red bat I pictured above may not of had pop to begin with. But in the beginning when he was swing the bat it had some pop but not like the bat he is swinging now.

Being on the hs team he has a chance to swing most everything from nike to demarini (that won the College world series a few years in a row), exos and some composite bats He just ask me to get him the bat CNT, and yes with the composite handle.

thanks,

drill

[Drill]

Equipment makes a difference. I just get worried in LL Majors when a 12/13 year old brings a hot bat up to the plate and my 9 year old is pitching. It gets a little scary.

Agree, when my son was on the small field I would ask my son to come with me over to the other dug out after the game to see how the pitcher was that he would clobber with his line shoots up the middle, did not really keep count but i know it was at least 4 one year. When he is hitting good that his spot(up the middle). Its not a real good feeling walking over to the other dug out to have my son shake hands and say hope you are OK, because you got a kid there with an ice pack on.

This little story is not funny but it happen to my son during a regional LL game to go to state. My son hit a pitcher right on the heel and took him out of the game with a line shot. Next inning my son was pitching and he beaned a kid in the helmet. Of course I asked my son to do the walk over to the other dug out to find out how everyone was. The coach joking said that everyone was OK but he about took out his team with a smile on his face.

A good friend of mind and his wife ask my son not to hit there son on the mound before a game one night. He just missed nailing him, with a one hopper at the pitchers feet that ended up in center field. Of course that would of been different on the larger field. But as the kids get bigger and stronger the same thing happens.


yes it is scary at all levels,

drill


PS if you want scary have your son playing catcher. But he is a kind of kid that likes those so called avoidable collisions at home plate. I have seen him a number of time tangled up on the ground in a cloud of dust and the first thing I see is him holding up the ball to let the umpire know he hung onto it, than he comes up grinning. I shake my head and my wife is still cringing. You just got to love this game.

[rkbenn]

Agree, when my son was on the small field I would ask my son to come with me over to the other dug out after the game to see how the pitcher was that he would clobber with his line shoots up the middle, did not really keep count but i know it was at least 4 one year. When he is hitting good that his spot(up the middle). Its not a real good feeling walking over to the other dug out to have my son shake hands and say hope you are OK, because you got a kid there with an ice pack on.

This little story is not funny but it happen to my son during a regional LL game to go to state. My son hit a pitcher right on the heel and took him out of the game with a line shot. Next inning my son was pitching and he beaned a kid in the helmet. Of course I asked my son to do the walk over to the other dug out to find out how everyone was. The coach joking said that everyone was OK but he about took out his team with a smile on his face.

A good friend of mind and his wife ask my son not to hit there son on the mound before a game one night. He just missed nailing him, with a one hopper at the pitchers feet that ended up in center field. Of course that would of been different on the larger field. But as the kids get bigger and stronger the same thing happens.


yes it is scary at all levels,

drill


PS if you want scary have your son playing catcher. But he is a kind of kid that likes those so called avoidable collisions at home plate. I have seen him a number of time tangled up on the ground in a cloud of dust and the first thing I see is him holding up the ball to let the umpire know he hung onto it, than he comes up grinning. I shake my head and my wife is still cringing. You just got to love this game.

yes sir. it still makes it tough. what's funny is I worry about him more in baseball than football.

[hitnpeas]

the -12 is balanced, you must have got them switched up. Yes they were -10 (end loaded) with the longer barrell. They market it for the power hitter. Physics of the end loaded bat versus a more balanced bat will show you get more pop. As these players found, getting adjusted to these bats were a big task.

Actually I was talking about swing weight vs actual weight. Due to the placement of the center of mass, and the distribution of the extra weight throughout the entire barrel, the -10's actually swing lighter relative to the -12's. The -12's with a 8" barrel have more weight towards the end of the bat where the -10's have a longer barrel thus pushing some of the weight towards the handle helping to create a lower MOI (More balanced) The combat baseball bats are different from the combat softball bats in the way they distribute the so called end load. It is more of a uniform weight distribution with the baseball bats as opposed to say a 1oz in the EL or 2oz FL versions. I assume that is why the softball bats are labeled as EL/FL and the baseball bats are not....

If the bat above is the stiff model I have seen it and am totally mixed up when it came to buying a bat for someone who has not matured all the way to handle a stiff bat. Of course the stiffness has shown to have a larger sweet spot through research. He just wanted the bat he swung when he hit .750 back on the small feild. Of course that is a different ball game there in little league.

Its a mental thing and he is hitting the 2009 cnt like he use to hit it on the small field. Of course those hot grounders are not getting through as much. But at least when he hits his line drives the sound reminds him of his old CNT bat. He does talk about feeling the flex when he hits it on the nose. My question would be swing speed and when you would need to go to stiff flex bat?

I would agree with you about the synergy red bat I pictured above may not of had pop to begin with. But in the beginning when he was swing the bat it had some pop but not like the bat he is swinging now.

Being on the hs team he has a chance to swing most everything from nike to demarini (that won the College world series a few years in a row), exos and some composite bats He just ask me to get him the bat CNT, and yes with the composite handle.

thanks,

drill

Whatever gives him good results and feels good to him is what matters of course. The STIFF version, which the BST9 is, uses a stiff composite handle and has basically the same SC900 barrel that he is currently using. The stiff version has no bearing on the sweetspot of the bat as it is referencing the handle flex not the barrel. Good luck to you and your son.... :)

[rkbenn]

Actually I was talking about swing weight vs actual weight. Due to the placement of the center of mass, and the distribution of the extra weight throughout the entire barrel, the -10's actually swing lighter relative to the -12's. The -12's with a 8" barrel have more weight towards the end of the bat where the -10's have a longer barrel thus pushing some of the weight towards the handle helping to create a lower MOI (More balanced) The combat baseball bats are different from the combat softball bats in the way they distribute the so called end load. It is more of a uniform weight distribution with the baseball bats as opposed to say a 1oz in the EL or 2oz FL versions. I assume that is why the softball bats are labeled as EL/FL and the baseball bats are not....


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HP, This was taken from the JustBats web site, you got it reversed. Don't want everyone to run out and buy an end loaded if they are looking for a more balenced bat.

RK

Description for the COMbat B1 Composite: B1YB1 -10 Youth:
C.E. Composite has been designing and manufacturing composite hybrid bats for over six years for other major bat brands and now is producing its own COMbat all-composite bat brand. COMbat is dedicated to developing a superior performing all-composite baseball bat that will make the game more enjoyable for players of all ability and skill levels. The COMbat team is made up of a group of acknowledged industry experts in sporting goods, aerospace, and industrial composites in order to manufacture only the best all-composite bats on the market today. COMbat baseball bats will provide the extra edge that will allow a player to excel by providing custom designs with different swing weights, balance points, and barrel lengths to match a specific players needs. COMbat is dedicated to nothing less that “pushing the envelope” in all-composite bat performance and all weather durability. The B1 composite Youth Bat, like all COMbat bats, is known for its extreme performance. This bat is end loaded with the power hitter in mind. With a 2 1/4 inch barrel, a -10 length to weight ratio, and a bat performance factor of 1.15 this bat is approved for play by all Youth League Associations. Free Shipping

[hitnpeas]

HP, This was taken from the JustBats web site, you got it reversed. Don't want everyone to run out and buy an end loaded if they are looking for a more balenced bat.

RK

Description for the COMbat B1 Composite: B1YB1 -10 Youth:
C.E. Composite has been designing and manufacturing composite hybrid bats for over six years for other major bat brands and now is producing its own COMbat all-composite bat brand. COMbat is dedicated to developing a superior performing all-composite baseball bat that will make the game more enjoyable for players of all ability and skill levels. The COMbat team is made up of a group of acknowledged industry experts in sporting goods, aerospace, and industrial composites in order to manufacture only the best all-composite bats on the market today. COMbat baseball bats will provide the extra edge that will allow a player to excel by providing custom designs with different swing weights, balance points, and barrel lengths to match a specific players needs. COMbat is dedicated to nothing less that “pushing the envelope” in all-composite bat performance and all weather durability. The B1 composite Youth Bat, like all COMbat bats, is known for its extreme performance. This bat is end loaded with the power hitter in mind. With a 2 1/4 inch barrel, a -10 length to weight ratio, and a bat performance factor of 1.15 this bat is approved for play by all Youth League Associations. Free Shipping


Interesting to a point.... The same website also states that the Cyclone and Hammer are quality bats with great performance, lmao!! That is laughable!! Take what you read on the internet as just that! Not sure if the norm is balanced for the -12's and EL for the -10's but when weighing and determining balance points of my combats, the -10 actually swings lighter....I have seen bats off weight vs sticker by over 2oz and had a 17oz actually weigh less than a 15oz. Your best bet is to weigh and determine balance point, moi and get the bat that feels right for your swing. Depending on when the bats were manufactured (1st batch, 2nd batch etc...) also plays a part in how they are weighted. The 1st batch Miken Freaks were very EL'd and weighed 2+oz more than stickered. That same bat 1 year later swings very balanced and only .5oz more than sticker. Again, with LL bats, the term endloaded isnt as accurate as it is in softball bats. Weight distribution is more uniform along the barrel in LL bats. The -12 Combats with a 9.5" barrel would have the majority of the bat weight within 9.5 inches from the end of the bat. The -10, with a 12" barrel would have the weight (although 2oz difference) distributed along the same 9.5" as the -12's, but continuing further towards the handle as well, changing the MOI to a more balanced feel....

[Drill]

Whatever gives him good results and feels good to him is what matters of course. The STIFF version, which the BST9 is, uses a stiff composite handle and has basically the same SC900 barrel that he is currently using. The stiff version has no bearing on the sweetspot of the bat as it is referencing the handle flex not the barrel. Good luck to you and your son.... :)

Below is the article from Kettering that talks about the physics of bats. This the reason I said what I said about the bigger sweet spot for a stiff flex bat. But I am still unsure about all of this and what handle flex really does for a batter. Golf I can see shaft flex and why but not baseball. Wood bats flex and since they have gone to different wood I am wondering if the wood flex has something to do with all the broken bats. I am so mixed up when it comes to this subject about bats. Handle flex?


thanks,

drill

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/handle-flex.html

Theoretical Model Says Stiff Bats Might Have Wider Sweet Spots
Physicist Alan Nathan published an important paper[10] in which he investigates the bat-ball interaction (for a wood bat) and addresses the issue of bat flexibility by looking at how important the vibrational behavior of the bat is to the final exit speed of the ball.
One key feature of Nathan's theoretical model is that it obeys the Conservation of Energy. Simply stated, this means that the initial kinetic energy of the ball is shared among . . .
the final kinetic energy of the ball
the energy contained in rigid body modes (translation and rotation) of the bat
the vibrational energy of the bat
and the energy lost in the compression and expansion of the ball.
If we can assume the energy associated with translation/rotation of the bat and the energy dissipated in ball are independent of impact location, then the conservation of energy implies that the more energy transferred to bat vibrations, the less kinetic energy is returned to the ball. We would expect the batted-ball speed to be greatest in the region where the bat does not vibrate after impact. This is illustrated in the graph at right which shows the distribution of energy after impact as a function of location along the bat barrel. The graph shows that the energy returned to the ball peaks at about the same location where the energy associated with bending vibrations is minimum.

The effect of bat vibrations is to decrease the effective bat mass, which reduces the exit speed of the ball. "On the time scale of the collision, the bat is not a rigid body and the ball `sees' only a fraction of the bat mass."

The graphs at right compare Dr. Nathan's theoretical predictions with actual measured hit-ball speeds; the fit is very good both the low impact velocities (2.2mph) and for higher, more realistic impact velocities (100mph). The graphs also show that if the bat is modeled as a rigid bat with no vibration, then the rigid model and experimental data only agree at the sweet spot. Bending vibrations and bat flex must be implemented in a theoretical model of the bat-ball collision in order for it to accurately predict performance.

Assuming all other properties being equal (i.e., two bats have the same weight, the same moment-of-inertia and the same trampoline effect in the barrel), Dr. Nathan's paper suggests that a rigid bat and a flexible bat would produce the same batted-ball speeds for impacts at the sweet spot. However, his results also suggest that stiffer bats could have a WIDER sweet spot. If a stiffer bat is more rigid and does not vibrate as easily, so that less energy is transferred to bat vibrations, then the final ball speed might be higher for impacts away from the sweet spot, than for a flexible bat.

[hitnpeas]

Below is the article from Kettering that talks about the physics of bats. This the reason I said what I said about the bigger sweet spot for a stiff flex bat. But I am still unsure about all of this and what handle flex really does for a batter. Golf I can see shaft flex and why but not baseball. Wood bats flex and since they have gone to different wood I am wondering if the wood flex has something to do with all the broken bats. I am so mixed up when it comes to this subject about bats. Handle flex?


thanks,

drill

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/handle-flex.html

Theoretical Model Says Stiff Bats Might Have Wider Sweet Spots
Physicist Alan Nathan published an important paper[10] in which he investigates the bat-ball interaction (for a wood bat) and addresses the issue of bat flexibility by looking at how important the vibrational behavior of the bat is to the final exit speed of the ball.
One key feature of Nathan's theoretical model is that it obeys the Conservation of Energy. Simply stated, this means that the initial kinetic energy of the ball is shared among . . .
the final kinetic energy of the ball
the energy contained in rigid body modes (translation and rotation) of the bat
the vibrational energy of the bat
and the energy lost in the compression and expansion of the ball.
If we can assume the energy associated with translation/rotation of the bat and the energy dissipated in ball are independent of impact location, then the conservation of energy implies that the more energy transferred to bat vibrations, the less kinetic energy is returned to the ball. We would expect the batted-ball speed to be greatest in the region where the bat does not vibrate after impact. This is illustrated in the graph at right which shows the distribution of energy after impact as a function of location along the bat barrel. The graph shows that the energy returned to the ball peaks at about the same location where the energy associated with bending vibrations is minimum.

The effect of bat vibrations is to decrease the effective bat mass, which reduces the exit speed of the ball. "On the time scale of the collision, the bat is not a rigid body and the ball `sees' only a fraction of the bat mass."

The graphs at right compare Dr. Nathan's theoretical predictions with actual measured hit-ball speeds; the fit is very good both the low impact velocities (2.2mph) and for higher, more realistic impact velocities (100mph). The graphs also show that if the bat is modeled as a rigid bat with no vibration, then the rigid model and experimental data only agree at the sweet spot. Bending vibrations and bat flex must be implemented in a theoretical model of the bat-ball collision in order for it to accurately predict performance.

Assuming all other properties being equal (i.e., two bats have the same weight, the same moment-of-inertia and the same trampoline effect in the barrel), Dr. Nathan's paper suggests that a rigid bat and a flexible bat would produce the same batted-ball speeds for impacts at the sweet spot. However, his results also suggest that stiffer bats could have a WIDER sweet spot. If a stiffer bat is more rigid and does not vibrate as easily, so that less energy is transferred to bat vibrations, then the final ball speed might be higher for impacts away from the sweet spot, than for a flexible bat.



The STIFFNESS he is referring to is the STIFF BARREL which is not how the bats these days are categorized (stiff/regular flex).... If you look at the composite handle of your bat, it is that portion below the connection piece that determines the flexibility. What he is trying to explain is that vibration in the barell that occurs at bat/ball contact could potentially reduce the performance of the bat. A more rigid barrel may reduce the negative effects. I believe you can get better performance by properly breaking in a composite bat thus stretching/elongating the fibers to allow for more of a trampoline effect. This would imho outweigh any negative performance that may occur from using a less rigid bat....

This conversation kills me as the original question was about two Easton bats and has evolved into a physics discussion.... lol. :)

[Drill]

A more rigid barrel may reduce the negative effects. I believe you can get better performance by properly breaking in a composite bat thus stretching/elongating the fibers to allow for more of a trampoline effect. This would imho outweigh any negative performance that may occur from using a less rigid bat....



Sorry we got off base from the original question, but you are now talking about breaking in a bat by hitting it more. Is this altering the performance of the bat and causes a bat to become illegal? If not why not have bat ROLLED professionally, not talking about shaving it and adding weight to the end cap but rolling the bat will do the same thing as hitting and take dead spot out of the bat.

The reason I am talking about rolling bats is from what I read its the same thing as hitting and breaking the bat in after about 500 hits.

I guess if is illegal to roll a bat than let everybody hit your $400.00 composite bat to elongate the fibers.

I am so mixed up on bats, guess I will get back to the basics, It what feels good to the person who is swinging the bat.


thanks,

drill

[22Hicks]

Depends what your preference is. Both are made from the same material. The Stealth IMX is a two piece design with a flex handle and the Synergy IMX a one piece with a stiff handle. Take a look at www.baseballbatreviews.ruqqa.com for some good articles on these bats.

[hawkiirock]

edit: didn't realize this was so old

[old perfessor]

I'm in the market for a bat for my 14 year-old son. Last year I got by without shelling out $200+ on a bat for him as he swung a 32" SAM PS2 (P72) and SAM MMO (M110) in Babe Ruth and Travel ball. His 7th grade school team had some metal bats that he used in school games.

But this year he'll be playing Jr Legion and the Jr Legion coach has already told him at tryouts he wants him to use something other than wood. The Jr Legion team doesn't have any team bats and I can't see shelling out $350+ for the superhyped -3 Eastons or TPXs of the world. I have been looking at the Akadema Xtension which appears to be a quality bat at a reasonable price. Does anyone here have any experience swinging this bat? And if so, does the 2 ounces of counterweight in the knob allow you to use a slightly heavier/longer bat then you otherwise would use? I appreciate any feedback.

[HYP]

I'm in the market for a bat for my 14 year-old son. Last year I got by without shelling out $200+ on a bat for him as he swung a 32" SAM PS2 (P72) and SAM MMO (M110) in Babe Ruth and Travel ball. His 7th grade school team had some metal bats that he used in school games.

But this year he'll be playing Jr Legion and the Jr Legion coach has already told him at tryouts he wants him to use something other than wood. The Jr Legion team doesn't have any team bats and I can't see shelling out $350+ for the superhyped -3 Eastons or TPXs of the world. I have been looking at the Akadema Xtension which appears to be a quality bat at a reasonable price. Does anyone here have any experience swinging this bat? And if so, does the 2 ounces of counterweight in the knob allow you to use a slightly heavier/longer bat then you otherwise would use? I appreciate any feedback.

I would like to hear from anyone who has used this bat as well.

I have a counter weight that I put on my sons regular bat to help him feel the bat come around the hands. When using this weight he says he feels quicker. His bat speed appears better as well.

I wonder how much difference the 2oz counter weight will have.