Marlins Stadium Construction Pictures & Discussion

[GordonGecko]

Looks like the Marlins Stadium is probably a go. Hopefully fans will show up, this stadium won't be cheap!

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http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/679722.html

Judge: Florida Marlins stadium serves public good
Following a favorable court ruling, government and Marlins officials say they will move forward on building a long-sought 37,000-seat baseball stadium.

The Florida Marlins took a major stride Tuesday in their lengthy quest for a permanent South Florida home, when a judge ruled that a new ballpark funded primarily through tax dollars serves the public good.

With Miami-Dade Circuit Court Judge Jeri Beth Cohen's ruling, the county and Marlins said they will move ahead with construction of the $515 million, 37,000-seat, retractable-roof stadium in Little Havana.

''This is the one we've been waiting for,'' said Marlins President David Samson. ``It's a complete victory. It took a long time.''

County Mayor Carlos Alvarez on Tuesday restated what he told the court during his deposition: Building the ballpark will revitalize the neighborhood and create much-needed jobs.

''When the economy is hurting, it means thousands of jobs -- good-paying construction jobs -- for people who need them now,'' he said.

The team and government are going forward even as one of billionaire auto dealer Norman Braman's seven lawsuit counts has yet to be adjudged. They believe that issue -- involving the complex financing that set the stadium and a string of other public works projects in motion -- would not affect the new ballpark eyed for the former Orange Bowl site.

Braman took minor solace in Cohen's 41-page ruling. Though Cohen found that the stadium meets the key ''public purpose'' test, she also gave credence to his belief that the stadium can be viewed as a ''sweet deal'' for the Marlins.

Cohen noted the county didn't do an economic impact study for the Little Havana area, said the site has no link to downtown, noted the team did not have to make its financials public even though almost $400 million in public money would be spent, and agreed with Braman that clear proof does not exist that a new stadium would stimulate the neighborhood.

''It reminds me of a football game that you lose when all the statistics are on your side,'' Braman said after the ruling. ``It's not what we believe the constitution of the state of Florida states, and we will appeal the judge's decision to the Supreme Court.''

Replied Samson: ``Let's cut right through it. The trial court's job is to apply the law -- not to make the law.''

FORCE OF LAW

Ultimately, Cohen said the case law was unshakable, and that she could not counter 39 years of rulings that backed the Marlins, the county and the city of Miami's contention that the public would benefit from a new stadium.

'' . . . The law in Florida is clear that retaining a professional baseball team in Miami satisfies a paramount public purpose,'' the judge wrote.

Braman sued the county, Miami and the Marlins over a smattering of issues, chief among them the claim that the use of $382 million in tourist tax dollars to build a private entity a ballpark does not serve a public purpose.

His bigger concern was that the public did not get a vote, through referendum, on the spending -- part of a larger multibillion-dollar megaplan for Miami. Government leaders countered that the public elected the politicians who approved the development blueprint.

Tuesday's ruling continued a string of losses for Braman, with all six lawsuit counts adjudged so far going against him.

Still on the table is a ruling from Cohen on the sole remaining count: whether the county can use Community Redevelopment Agency dollars to pay off a $484 million construction debt at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts.

Though that financing, on the surface, has no ties to building a ballpark, it's all part of Miami's most expansive public works plan in decades -- the $3 billion deal to build a port tunnel, a park at Bicentennial, the ballpark and a streetcar system, and pay off the Arsht Center debt.

MORE MONEY

Paying off the debt frees up another pot of money to help fund the ballpark, Braman contends, noting that the team signed an agreement linking the arts center payoff and the ballpark.

The county argues it could build the stadium regardless of the arts center debt.

The agreement calls for the Marlins to put $120 million toward the stadium, and also repay the county another $35 million in ``rent payments.''

Braman believes that if he wins on the last count, the court could potentially order a referendum on the spending at the Arsht Center. That, he believes, could doom the stadium.

The other side sees that last issue differently.

The ballpark, they said, will be financed with an array of tourist and convention-development and sports-franchise taxes, plus a $50 million bond voters approved in 2004 for Orange Bowl renovations -- but no CRA funds.

Though Alvarez and County Manager George Burgess say there's no link between the final ruling and the stadium, they've avoided answering how the Arsht Center debt would be paid off -- if the judge rules it's illegal.

Cohen said she'll make her decision after the Supreme Court rules on a similar case from Escambia County. Initially, the court decided property tax money couldn't be used to pay off bond debt without a public vote, a ruling that could have resonance in the Braman case.

The court then decided to rehear a motion and hasn't issued a final ruling. There is no sense when Cohen will decide this issue.

Braman's hope now is that, with a favorable ruling in that count, a political change of will would doom the stadium.

But Tuesday, the government was focused on the ruling at hand.

''We were quite confident that was how this ruling was going to come down,'' Burgess said Tuesday at County Hall.

Miami Mayor Manny Diaz said the still-pending count of Braman's suit will not hold back construction, though he couldn't pinpoint the date for a stadium groundbreaking.

The city will move ''as fast as we humanly, physically, possibly can,'' Diaz said.

The Marlins are pushing ahead with architectural drawings and finalizing arrangements with a contractor, all in the hopes of opening the 2011 season in the new park.

If the Marlins hope to break ground this year, county commissioners must finalize construction, management and other agreements; and city leaders need to approve land-platting and permits.

But that was the last thing on Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria's mind Tuesday, shortly before his team took the field against National League rival Philadelphia.

The team said a retractable roof stadium would draw crowds otherwise driven away by South Florida's steamy, rainy weather. One midday game last week drew fewer than 600 fans in their seats for the first pitch.

A new stadium would pour concession and skybox proceeds into the bottom line of a team that has won two World Series but has had among the lowest payrolls and attendance in baseball.

''We look forward to the Marlins playing in the new ballpark for generations to come,'' Loria said in a prepared statement.

[GordonGecko]

This rendering is a bit different than the others. Source: http://www.lyonsmith.com/archgallery.html

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[Milwaukee County Stadium]

Thank God That They Are Finaly Going To Get Their Own Stadium!

[Ralf]

They're still not going to get fans to show up. That area over there is a nightmare. If they can't get the stadium in downtown Miami, they should just move.

[marlins739]

The new renderings should be released not too long from now. Remember, both of those editions shown above were designed with the idea that the Orange Bowl would still be there. The OB has been demolished and now the new ballpark can occupy the whole site

[mandrake]

They're still not going to get fans to show up. That area over there is a nightmare. If they can't get the stadium in downtown Miami, they should just move.

Was this the area that had riots in 1980 and 1989? I never went to the Orange Bowl, but I did hear people say that the area was bad news.

[tfc3rid]

How many seats were they planning on having?? I think something akin to PNC Park would be perfect...

[placount]

How many seats were they planning on having?? I think something akin to PNC Park would be perfect...

they need about 800,000 seats due to popular demand.

[Saltzy23]

Nice of them to 'scale' it back to a pesky $515 Mil, with the team tossing in a whopping $120 mil...

Seems necessary..

[Pelt]

Here is the site now.

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Look, they saved the scoreboard from the Orange Bowl to cut down on costs for the new Marlins Park!!!


lol

[GordonGecko]

It's really strange to see the empty lot like that, it looks so small. From wikipedia:

The stadium was on a large block bounded by Northwest 3rd Street (south), Northwest 16th Avenue (west), Northwest 6th Street (north) and Northwest 14th Avenue (east, the open end of the stadium).

Demolition began in March 2008, and will eventually make way for a new 37,000 seat retractable roof baseball stadium that is scheduled to open as the home of the current Florida Marlins in 2011. The team has agreed to change their name to the Miami Marlins as part of the agreement between the team, the city of Miami, and Miami-Dade County.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Orange_Bowl

[Shadly]

Here is the site now.

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Look, they saved the scoreboard from the Orange Bowl to cut down on costs for the new Marlins Park!!!


lol

Look at that picture. Miami is a huge city with a massive Hispanic population. There's no reason that city can't support a major league baseball team. Oh yeah, and there's a ton of money down there, too.

Last time I checked, Cincinnati didn't have any of that going for them.

[wvkeeper]

Because you know all hispanics like baseball...

(btw, do you work for MLS)?

[jimmyjimjimz]

This rendering is a bit different than the others. Source: http://www.lyonsmith.com/archgallery.html

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I thought the marlins were supposed to play in that weird looking stadium that was on the water and it had a paper roof (it looked paper to me). It was probably actually some sort of fabric. Anyway, it didn't look like a real roof, and it made the stadium kinda look like a sailboat.

Or was that for the devil rays?

[stlfan]

I thought the marlins were supposed to play in that weird looking stadium that was on the water and it had a paper roof (it looked paper to me). It was probably actually some sort of fabric. Anyway, it didn't look like a real roof, and it made the stadium kinda look like a sailboat.

Or was that for the devil rays?

That was the (Devil) Rays' plan.

[aqib]

Look at that picture. Miami is a huge city with a massive Hispanic population. There's no reason that city can't support a major league baseball team. Oh yeah, and there's a ton of money down there, too.

Last time I checked, Cincinnati didn't have any of that going for them.

Yeah other than over 100 years of tradition supporting an MLB team...

[Sean O]

Look at that picture. Miami is a huge city with a massive Hispanic population. There's no reason that city can't support a major league baseball team. Oh yeah, and there's a ton of money down there, too.

Last time I checked, Cincinnati didn't have any of that going for them.

By that basis, why don't we move the Marlins to Mexico City? That has the largest centralized population of hispanics in the world, it's a sure-fire hit!

[BMF]

Here is the site now.

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Look, they saved the scoreboard from the Orange Bowl to cut down on costs for the new Marlins Park!!!


lol

they were supposed to have two stadiums there? it looks smaller than the area citi field had in the beginning

[BMF]

double post sorry

[Shadly]

By that basis, why don't we move the Marlins to Mexico City? That has the largest centralized population of hispanics in the world, it's a sure-fire hit!

It was just a point. You're right, people from the Dominican and Cuba hate baseball on average. How insensitive of me. The bigger point is that, if you were to rank the largest and richest urban areas in the country with baseball teams, Miami would be well above several other cities. Somehow people still think Miami can't support a ball club because of their crappy attendance of late. What's Pittsburgh's excuse?

Mexico City probably would work. Because you're right, start a baseball franchise in Havana and Berlin and see what the approval rating is from the locals.

[Sean O]

It was just a point. You're right, people from the Dominican and Cuba hate baseball on average. How insensitive of me. The bigger point is that, if you were to rank the largest and richest urban areas in the country with baseball teams, Miami would be well above several other cities. Somehow people still think Miami can't support a ball club because of their crappy attendance of late. What's Pittsburgh's excuse?

Mexico City probably would work. Because you're right, start a baseball franchise in Havana and Berlin and see what the approval rating is from the locals.

Pittsburgh has 16 straight losing seasons. Miami has 2 championships in 11 years. That is a major difference.

There is no excuse for the utter failure of Marlins fans to support their team. 28 other teams would trade their past 11 years for the Marlins' in a second.

[TinoM24]

*prepares for angry posts if we find out the the skyline wont be in view from the field*

[efin98]

*prepares for angry posts if we find out the the skyline wont be in view from the field*

Or not on the waterfront or right on major transportation(train line, highway etc.) or is in a residential neighborhood or an "original design" or that it may possibly be designed by HOK...:rolleyes:

[Pelt]

Here is a page with all the concepts that I've seen so far - http://www.stadiumpage.com/stpages/miami.html

If they go with this design, I see some obstructions up top:

http://www.stadiumpage.com/future/Miami_Model_08_3.jpg

[RoastedPeanut]

Is the new structure hurricane proof?

[zengator]

Is the new structure hurricane proof?

Ya know, I bet they hadn't thought of that! :think:

[Wall-E]

Yeah, that must of been an afterthought:

"Make new Floridian 600 million dollar facility sustainable to Hurricanes."

[GordonGecko]

More from Stadiumpage.com http://www.stadiumpage.com/stpages/miami.html

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[GordonGecko]

More from Stadiumpage.com http://www.stadiumpage.com/stpages/miami.html

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[placount]

lookin very Japanese. Doesn't really scream Miami though, I think they could do more in that area.

[zengator]

lookin very Japanese. Doesn't really scream Miami though, I think they could do more in that area.

Just an idea: They could paint it to resemble a black bean and add a giant thong.

[Wall-E]

Just an idea: They could paint it to resemble a black bean and add a giant thong.

I lol'ed. :highfive:

[marlins739]

Samson has said the capacity will be around 37,000, making it one of the smallest parks in the game. He also said it wouldn't be a red-brick-and-green-seats design, that it would be modern and have lots of glass

[davidthecornman]

glass could be bad down in miami because of the hurricanes. there would be lots of broken glass and that would cost lots of money to fix that. so thats one problem of that.

[StadiumGraveyard]

Just an FYI on the stadiumpage shots, those aren't the new design. Those were the ones w/ the Orange Bowl there.

[GordonGecko]

Yeah, we're all waiting for the latest renderings. The design could be the same or very similar, just without the Orange Bowl next to it

[PeteU]

I hear the official renderings are already in the can and they were just waiting for the judge's ruling in the lawsuit. The judge issues her official final order this week, and I hear the Marlins will unveil the new plans soon afterwards.

[Pelt]

Any word on who designed it?

What are the odds of it having a contrived assymetrical outfield?

[Pelt]

It may be just me, but I'd love to see something with this feel to the new ballpark. It just has an open and 'tropical' feel to it, which seems appropriate for the new Marlins park.

Guangdong Olympic Stadium (China):

[GordonGecko]

It may be just me, but I'd love to see something with this feel to the new ballpark. It just has an open and 'tropical' feel to it, which seems appropriate for the new Marlins park.

Guangdong Olympic Stadium (China):

That would totally fit in south Florida. I hope they don't build the giant spaceship in the initial renderings, too impersonal won't help get fans in the door

[marlins739]

They also said on that monthly ballpark column on the team site that they were considering bringing the dimensions over from Dolphin Stadium. They want it to be a pitchers' park like the Dolph. That's all the asymmetry they need. It's an HOK design, and the old dimensions have served us well over the years.

Loria said the renderings would be released as soon as the judge gives the official ruling, so we should be seeing them pretty soon. It''ll have 37,000 seats, so no matter what kind of design they go with, it'll be on a pretty small scale

[Pelt]

It's an HOK design...

Oh... joy...

[GordonGecko]

Marlins Stadium final go-ahead seems to have enough yes votes:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/080918/story4.shtml

Miami commissioners divided over fate of proposed Marlins Stadium

With a project-threatening legal issue out of the way for now, Miami-Dade is to move forward with plans to build a $515 million Marlins stadium, officials say — but it's unclear whether the project has commissioners' blessings.

It would take five "no" votes to strike out the construction, management and other pending agreements staffers are to present to the 13-member commission next month.

Of the eight commissioners who returned reporters' phone calls, three said they plan to vote against, four are decidedly pro-stadium and one plans to decide once staffers answer lingering questions.

The nays: Katy Sorenson, Carlos Gimenez and Javier Souto.

"I've always been opposed to public money for a stadium," Ms. Sorenson said. "Owners can well afford to build their own stadium."

[aqib]

Marlins Stadium final go-ahead seems to have enough yes votes:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/080918/story4.shtml

Didn't seem that way when I counted them up. It takes 5 no votes, the paper called 8 people on the board, 3 said they are voting no 4 said they are voting yes, and one is on the fence. So if 2 of the 5 that they haven't talked to vote no its dead. If the undecided one falls to a no then only one out of the unaccounted for 5 has to say no and its dead.

At least they way I read it.

[GordonGecko]

Didn't seem that way when I counted them up. It takes 5 no votes, the paper called 8 people on the board, 3 said they are voting no 4 said they are voting yes, and one is on the fence. So if 2 of the 5 that they haven't talked to vote no its dead. If the undecided one falls to a no then only one out of the unaccounted for 5 has to say no and its dead.

At least they way I read it.

If you need 5 no votes out of 8 to cancel, then all you need is 3 yes. If 4 have said yes, you do the math.... If that's not the case then maybe I'm reading it wrong

[six4three]

You are - it's a 13-member commission. The stadium needs eight votes to pass.

It's confusing, because they only got eight of the 13 members to speak with them, leaving 5 votes unknown.

[aqib]

You are - it's a 13-member commission. The stadium needs eight votes to pass.

It's confusing, because they only got eight of the 13 members to speak with them, leaving 5 votes unknown.

Actually you would need 9 yes votes. 13 members on the board 5 no votes kills it. So if this goes down I am going to fall out of my chair laughing.

[PeteU]

http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/

"Coming Soon"

I can't wait! :)

[Chevy114]

http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/

"Coming Soon"

I can't wait! :)

This is very exciting!

[JohnCropp]

If they go with this design, I see some obstructions up top.

They can't be obstructions unless there are viewer's views to obstruct.

Buh-bum!

[boisemarinersfan]

Guangdong Olympic Stadium looks cool. someting in that style would fit. I don't think they can build ANYTHING in Florida without hurricane consideration. Man I hope this happens.

[Transic]

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081104&content_id=3663173&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

[Chevy114]

Stop teasing us and just show us the park! lol

[PeteU]

Actually, I was hoping they would keep both the field dimensions and the fence heights exactly as they were in Dolphin Stadium, because that was one of the best things about Dolphin Stadium. But glad to know they are keeping the Bermuda Triangle....now, how about Gonzo's gap.

All in all, very pitcher friendly. Let's hope they don't fold to pressure like the Tigers did with Comerica after the first two years and keep it like that.

[dabigyankeeman]

I hate a pitchers park. I like a park where one side, leftfield or rightfield is deep and the other side is short. A park where its deep all over stinks IMHO. Also, they have been so short of money, and its so hot and rainy there all the time, they could have saved money and just built a stadium with a roof that does NOT retract. But mainly, i dont like the deep dimensions.

[Transic]

http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/782894.html

[GordonGecko]

http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/782894.html

Marlins win case, but stadium might not be done by 2011
The Florida Marlins cleared a crucial legal hurdle in their quest for a new home. Now the question arises: Will the stadium open on time?
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The team refuses to release its finances and secured a court order to protect them during the suit, but it has repeatedly said a new stadium would cement its future in South Florida.

Under the current plans, the stadium would be built with $395 million of mostly tourist tax dollars and $120 million from the Marlins. The team also would borrow $35 million from the county that it would repay in yearly installments of $2.3 million.

[nymdan]

I'm surprised no renderings have been released yet...

[Pelt]

Yippie. A huge empty lot with an HOKrap park with contrived asymmetry. Check that one off the box. Lets see if we get the lousy sightlines in the corners, exposed green-painted steel and bricked arches next...

[PeteU]

I'm surprised no renderings have been released yet...

I heard they might be releasing them the first week of December. It's getting close....,.

[GuitarPunk2512]

Yippie. A huge empty lot with an HOKrap park with contrived asymmetry. Check that one off the box. Lets see if we get the lousy sightlines in the corners, exposed green-painted steel and bricked arches next...


i rather take brick arches and exposed green steel over that ugly spaceship future rounded crap they released a few years ago.

[Pelt]

You forgot the lousy sightlines in the corners.

And it's good that you'd rather have that - after all, you'll have Citifield next year.

[marlins739]

Well at least the dimensions won't be made up. They're keeping the fences the same as the Dolph. I'm sure Wayne will let us stay on a month-to-month lease in 2011 if the stadium's under construction. He's not quite that much of a prick

[dabigyankeeman]

Well at least the dimensions won't be made up. They're keeping the fences the same as the Dolph. I'm sure Wayne will let us stay on a month-to-month lease in 2011 if the stadium's under construction. He's not quite that much of a prick

I think you are right, as long as its not the whole year. I believe the U of M contract when they moved to Dolphins Stadium stipulates that in 2011 there will NOT be a dirt infield, it will be a 100% football field.

[tugger]

I'd like something in a Frank Gehry.

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frank_gehry_star_wood_hotel_3.jpg

[dabigyankeeman]

I'd like something in a Frank Gehry.

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frank_gehry_star_wood_hotel_3.jpg

People are going to laugh at that picture, but what an incredible looking building. I love architecture like that, maybe not for a baseball stadium, but great picture dude! Its still a shame they couldnt have built the new Marlins stadium somewhere near the AAA Arena and have a park similar to the one the Giants play in in San Francisco where you can hit a homer into the water. Of course the roof would have to be open!

[tugger]

I dig Gehry. Here's his building in Cleveland at Case Western:

http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/ohio/cleveland/gehry/0067minuslights.jpg

Some of his plan for the Brooklyn Nets:

http://amny.image2.trb.com/amnynews/media/photo/2006-05/23382357.jpg

http://curbed.com/archives/2005_06_ratstad.jpg

[Sean O]

I'd like something in a Frank Gehry.

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frank_gehry_star_wood_hotel_3.jpg

Frank Gehry is the antichrist. He is, by far, the single worst person to have been called an architect in the history of the field.

He's a talentless hack who has utter disdain for the end user of his buildings. Which is why he is repeatedly sued after the opening of every project.

[tugger]

Frank Gehry is the antichrist. He is, by far, the single worst person to have been called an architect in the history of the field.

He's a talentless hack who has utter disdain for the end user of his buildings. Which is why he is repeatedly sued after the opening of every project.

so, you beg to differ?

[MattD1972]

I dig Gehry. Here's his building in Cleveland at Case Western:

http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/ohio/cleveland/gehry/0067minuslights.jpg

Some of his plan for the Brooklyn Nets:

http://amny.image2.trb.com/amnynews/media/photo/2006-05/23382357.jpg

http://curbed.com/archives/2005_06_ratstad.jpg

I'm no architect, but I really don't think that the design process should start with massive doses of LSD. This guys' work begs the question "What the @!#$%^&* is holding the building up?"

[Allie Fox]

I'd like something in a Frank Gehry.

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frank_gehry_star_wood_hotel_3.jpg

Are you sure that's some of Gehry's work? It looks alot lot like Art Vandalay.

[tugger]

Are you sure that's some of Gehry's work? It looks alot lot like Art Vandalay.

to be honest, I just googled Gehry and assumed it was him. sloppy research, I know.

[aqib]

I think you are right, as long as its not the whole year. I believe the U of M contract when they moved to Dolphins Stadium stipulates that in 2011 there will NOT be a dirt infield, it will be a 100% football field.

So they would have to be out by the end of August. Worst case the Marlins pay a little extra to the Canes. The one question though is do they still have the tax revenue to pay for the building.

[dabigyankeeman]

Are you sure that's some of Gehry's work? It looks alot lot like Art Vandalay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.........:D

[Shadly]

He's a talentless hack who has utter disdain for the end user of his buildings. Which is why he is repeatedly sued after the opening of every project.

I take it you wouldn't be pleased if they went with Will Alsop...
http://timtim.typepad.com/timboland/images/fourth_grace.jpg

[stadiumbuilder]

Are you sure that's some of Gehry's work? It looks alot lot like Art Vandalay.
Is Art Vandalay that short, cheap, bald, somewhat overweight guy with the glasses that I've seen on tv?

[tugger]

I take it you wouldn't be pleased if they went with Will Alsop...
http://timtim.typepad.com/timboland/images/fourth_grace.jpg

I see Nixon's face!

[The Splendid Splinter]

I see Nixon's face!

good for you... all I see is a giant tooth! haha

[PeteU]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-marpark1108,0,7537010.story

It won't be open until 2012.

So I'm guessing they'll have a one year lease at Dolphin Stadium for 2012.

[Anubis2051]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-marpark1108,0,7537010.story

It won't be open until 2012.

So I'm guessing they'll have a one year lease at Dolphin Stadium for 2012.

Any chance they wind up at the tropp if the dolphins don't authorize a contract? is there anywhere else they could play if they had to? Would the MLB allow them to play in a spring training complex considering that they're lucky to fill those on most days? Would they go the Expos route and play in Puerto Rico for a year?

[Transic]

Any chance they wind up at the tropp if the dolphins don't authorize a contract? is there anywhere else they could play if they had to? Would the MLB allow them to play in a spring training complex considering that they're lucky to fill those on most days? Would they go the Expos route and play in Puerto Rico for a year?

Well, there's a spring training complex in Homestead that sits unused. It was to be a spring training home for Cleveland before Hurricane Andrew devastated the area. While the spring training ballpark in Jupiter is nice, it only seats a little above 5,000 and there's little room to expand.

They'll need at least 20,000 seats to make any interim facility feasible and there's a spring training complex in Homestead that sits unused and not much else surrounding it. From looking at the map, there is more than enough land to build something on spec until the Miami ballpark opens. Or they may add seats to the ballpark that's already there up to an acceptable number. The big problem is the location, which is way to the south of most of the population. However, since it is for only one season is may not that big of a deal. At least they'd stay in the same area.

However, the most likely action is another year at DS.

[marlins739]

Now that Wayne only has a half stake in the Dolph, there's hope we'll be allowed to stay an extra year there. David Samson says he's talking to the UM president about it too, even though the Hurricanes contract says the Fish will be gone by 2011

[PeteU]

It's almost 100% certain that the Marlins will have a one year lease at Dolphin Stadium for 2011. Even if Wayne the Pain still holds the deed to Dolphin Stadium, the way he engineered the current lease he makes good money off of the Fish playing at the Dolph, much to the Marlins' expense.

[Chevy114]

I would like to see them play at homestead's spring training complex but its crappy now, what about um? Is it too small for a team that draws low anyways?

[TwinsFan2010]

They have updated www.marlinsnewballpark.com. There is no new information though. There is just some general information on who is designing the ballpark.

[Transic]

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/baseball/florida-marlins/story/842455.html

[StadiumPage]

New renderings are up at http://www.miamiherald.com

Definetly an interesting design.

As a U of Miami graduate and attendee of dozens of Canes football games from 95-99 I think this is a pretty bad location. Lots of parking garages, but no improved access to the area from the highways? No metrorail link?

[peterrod16]

http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/
nice ballpark.
My lady would beat me up if i even look at those cheerleaders
Good luck to the Miami Marlins

[Yankees12]

Don't like the design, from what I can tell from these sketches. And I don't know the Miami area well, but this seems to be a terrible location.

Honestly, I don't know if this is going to help them draw fans beyond the first couple years it's open. It'll likely be hampered by the same problems of bad location for a baseball stadium, and fans in Miami haven't shown a whole lot of support for the team as it is.

[boisemarinersfan]

I think the fans will come. the chance to watch baseball without the heat and humidity will be very good for the Marlins. I know a few people down there and they don't go to many games because the Dolph sucks and the weather sucks.

[StadiumPage]

I guess the Miami Arena location was too small, but I think that would be a better spot. Right by the highways, right by the Metrorail...

I guess Overtown (Still a bad neighborhood? I've been out of the area for almost 10 years now...) could be an issue with that.

[Ralf]

http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/
nice ballpark.
My lady would beat me up if i even look at those cheerleaders
Good luck to the Miami Marlins

Boring. Looks like it was designed in the 1970's.

[StadiumPage]

I think the fans will come. the chance to watch baseball without the heat and humidity will be very good for the Marlins. I know a few people down there and they don't go to many games because the Dolph sucks and the weather sucks.

Bottom line, Miami loves a winner. Its the ultimate frontrunner town. If the park can help them to keep a stacked lineup then they're on the right track. If they continue to hang around the middle/lower end of the standings they're in trouble.

[kevin in az]

We waited all this time and this is what they came up with? C'mon! Miami deserves better than this eyesore.

[peterrod16]

Boring. Looks like it was designed in the 1970's.

if you can design a better park go ahead.
In my opnion the rays ballpark design(currently dead) was the coolest ballpark design i have ever seen

[GordonGecko]

We waited all this time and this is what they came up with? C'mon! Miami deserves better than this eyesore.
Looks like Nationals Park with a lid

[Chuck The Mets Fan!]

I hate a pitchers park. I like a park where one side, leftfield or rightfield is deep and the other side is short. A park where its deep all over stinks IMHO. Also, they have been so short of money, and its so hot and rainy there all the time, they could have saved money and just built a stadium with a roof that does NOT retract. But mainly, i dont like the deep dimensions.


I hate a hitter's park! Nothing bothers me more than watching the state of a game strategy be ruined by 'roid induced freaks that on a broken bat check swing smack a ball 350 feet for cheap home run. I truly belive that if a team would like a "retractable roof" they should pay for it themselves. The stadium is okay, but I am glad they decided to make the stadium a product of its environment. MEANING that it would have been a bit foolish to build a neo-classical stadium in Miami where it is known for it flash and pizazz.

[Transic]

A .pdf on the Marlins stadium plan:

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2009/01/27/05/Miami_Ball_Park_January_2009.source.prod_affiliate .56.pdf

[kevin in az]

A .pdf on the Marlins stadium plan:

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2009/01/27/05/Miami_Ball_Park_January_2009.source.prod_affiliate .56.pdf

I really hope it grows on me...I really want to like it. I understand the roof part of it - Miami being a steamy sauna in the summer, much like Phoenix is a blast furnace June-Sept. Only time will tell I guess.

[Ralf]

if you can design a better park go ahead.
In my opinion the rays ballpark design(currently dead) was the coolest ballpark design i have ever seen

Love the Rays park too.

The Marlins Park looks like it will hold 50000+. Its huge. They should be looking at 40000 MAX. I also don't like all those split decks, they look stupid.

[Astros]

It's not that bad of a design and keep in mind this is a concept. I'm sure the design will change more as they develop the project. This type of architecture would work well in Miami. It certainly is an improvement over Dolphins Stadium and better than Tropicana Field as a baseball park.

[Transic]

For those who have plenty of reading time, here's a .pdf of the BSA scheduled for a vote next month:

http://www.miamidade.gov/mayor/library/Baseball_Stadium_Agreements.pdf

[DiggerODell]

I don't care for this design either! But I always remember, I thought and felt the same way about Target Field when I first seen it's concept renderings. Give it time. Perhaps it'll grow on ya.

I know they gotta (or perhaps should) have it down in Florida, but I think its the ceiling I hate most.

[Pelt]

Wow. I really love the obstructions in the UD, on the third base side. Sadly, it's pretty boring. :yawn::sleepy::yawn:

[marlins739]

Minute Maid Park has obstructions in the first base side upper deck too. It'll probably look a lot better with some color. It's not bad, but I liked the older design better. But hey, if they build it, I sure will come

[Sean O]

Single worst upper deck in professional sports. When I first saw the design I figured I'd hate it. But, I can't bring myself to hate it.

The stairway on the outside is cool, and the roof retracts behind the seating so it doesn't hover over the field. The glass allows a ton of sunlight through, so it doesn't feel disconnected from the outside.

I like it. The sightlines will be awful, but I like it.

[mrslim]

sort of like they designed a baseball field from the future, at epcot

[TinoM24]

before i make the blind statement i was planning on saying, is the current stadium a big part of why no one goes to Marlins games?

[marlins739]

before i make the blind statement i was planning on saying, is the current stadium a big part of why no one goes to Marlins games?

I sure think so. The current stadium is owned by the Dolphins, who make lots of money off of concessions and parking for Marlins games. It's not in a bad location, but the way the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm South Florida metro area is set up (100 miles long and 15 miles wide along the coast) it can be a long drive for fans. Every day in the summer around 5:00 here, big storm clouds come out of the west and often dump rain. Rain delays are pretty common here, and even when it doesn't rain, it looks like it's going to. And on top of it all, it's really hot and humid at night. The other old stadium arguments apply: football sightlines, big and empty. I think a retractable roof stadium will work wonders for the Marlins.

[TinoM24]

thanks for the info. did they release any info along with the new models?

[qbannik]

if you can design a better park go ahead.


A person can tell a tell an egg is rotten without being able to lay one. :rolleyes:

[RoastedPeanut]

First impression is that I love the stylings and what it's set up to be.. I have to agree with the obstructed seating of the upper decks, but in order to swing the seating like they have, it has to be assumed as neccessary to maintain overall asthetics..

They could have thought better for those pillars, but if this is built, it will be the best covered venue in the mlb..

[boisemarinersfan]

Go Miami.


P.S. ANYTHING will be better than the Dolph.

[JoseJoseJose7]

a retro classic ballpark would have looked much better.

[Transic]

Well, if I read the models correctly, I doubt that obstructions would be much of an issue as there doesn't seem to be any seating behind the pillars. I would like to see more interior renderings before making that judgment, though.

Other than that, it's basically an update of the last model we saw a few years back.

http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/renderings.php

[PeteU]

im really dissapointed when i heard the marlins were getting a new park i was excited cause i want t try and g to all the parks of the NL East but i would never want to see a park at this plave the thought teams started going for a more retro ballpark feel, but now there taking a step backwards, boring, no personality, egg head design, doesnt scream baseball worst stadium ive ever seen literally

Periods are your friend, my friend. :)

[RoastedPeanut]

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SAFECO IS 1000 times better than this could ever be. you homer!




Bet you love Minute Maid and the BOB eeeerrrrr Chase field too...



P.S. ANYTHING will be better than the Dolph.


That wasn't very nice.. This is the new Marlin's Stadium thread.. I do not recall this being anything about Safeco Field..

But, if I must add, this new stadium has the appropriate ties to the now lost Orange Bowl.. The basic outline of the stadium follows the imprint from the previous field, the curves and windows leave the outfield with an open, yet rewarding appreciation.

Warm blue Florida summers with bright, white puffy clouds passing by as this modern stadium remembers the past and builds the future.. I really do like how they managed to keep the Bermuda Triangle and the field level scoreboard..

They decided not to cut the corner's that places like Safeco did, building under the supports for the roof instead of cuting off right in front of the tracking.. This leads to the imagined obstructed views, however.. Overall, I think that this is truly an original design; the first seen of any MLB franchise for a field with a covered roof.

[boisemarinersfan]

That is correct Mr. Peanut. I apoligize. I think that anything the Marlins get is going to be great. I happen to believe that south Florida is a very viable baseball market if people have a nice comfy place to watch a game. I have seen quite a few different rederings and that one maybe my least favorite but I really like this one.

[Dodgeboy]

At least the roof retracts behind the grandstand, instead of hovering over the outfield. Why no one else has done this, I'll never figure out.

[bluenautica]

looks like a white shea stadium with a roof

[Coach Bombay]

looks like a white shea stadium with a roof

except that it doesn't

[Sean O]

That is correct Mr. Peanut. I apoligize. I think that anything the Marlins get is going to be great. I happen to believe that south Florida is a very viable baseball market if people have a nice comfy place to watch a game. I have seen quite a few different rederings and that one maybe my least favorite but I really like this one.

That's the old new park. To the best of my understanding, the new park is a completely new design.

[Lafferty Daniel]

except that it doesn't

Yeah, the only similarity to Shea is that it's round.

I keep trying to think of stadiums that this looks like, and I can't think of any. I bet this design would be a hit in Japan.

[Transic]

This site has given a brief breakdown of what will be in the stadium, from the contents of the BSA (http://www.miamidade.gov/mayor/library/Baseball_Stadium_Agreements.pdf):

http://fishatbat.com/

[Lafferty Daniel]

This site has given a brief breakdown of what will be in the stadium, from the contents of the BSA (http://www.miamidade.gov/mayor/library/Baseball_Stadium_Agreements.pdf):

http://fishatbat.com/

"The swimming pool and “beach” will be located in the outfield."

With real sand? Chase Field just got some competition.

"The main concourse near left field will feature a “Taste of Miami Food "Court”."

This could be a good idea. Hopefully they will have local Cuban food and what not.

[Lafferty Daniel]

The center field fence looks like a wave.

http://fishatbat.com/uploads/marlins_new_ballpark_dimensions.jpg

[Sean O]

The center field fence looks like a wave.

http://fishatbat.com/uploads/marlins_new_ballpark_dimensions.jpg

If that ends up actually being the setup, I'll deny any positive comments I ever said.

[marlins739]

I doubt the seating bowl will end up looking like that down the lines if they build this. It has an Arlington-like right field corner, which isn't a compliment at all. Any thoughts on what that oval thing is behind the "Bermuda Triangle" (which is a disappointing attempt to replicate the dimensions at the Dolph)?

[Pelt]

"The swimming pool and “beach” will be located in the outfield."

With real sand? Chase Field just got some competition.



And a wavelike formation to the outfield?

Now that's HOKraptastic!

[Onemoredayatshea27]

Yes, There Will Be an Animatronic Marlin in the Outfield
Posted: January 27th, 2009

The new ballpark will feature a large-scale animatronic marlin in a tank which will “jump” when the Fish hit a home run. I’m guessing that’s going in the Bermuda Triangle area.

:faint::faint::dismay::dismay::ughh:ughh:ughh:ughh

Whoever thinks the Mets Apple is cheesy is going to freak out when they read this. (I love the apple by the way).

[Transic]

I doubt the seating bowl will end up looking like that down the lines if they build this. It has an Arlington-like right field corner, which isn't a compliment at all. Any thoughts on what that oval thing is behind the "Bermuda Triangle" (which is a disappointing attempt to replicate the dimensions at the Dolph)?

I read that it would be either a swimming pool or the Marlins fish tank (which would be where the animatronic marlin would presumably be placed) that would take up the oval space you've asked about. It would perform a similar function to the Mets' Home Run Apple.

Anyway, I think the vote coming up in February (barring another delay) is going to be the first true test on the chances of any new stadium spending in the new economic times. We should watch this space to see how much influence the major leagues have really lost because of tight finances. I read an article the other day at Baseball Prospectus in which the author is already predicting that a stadium project will fail to materialize in the coming years. That would mean by my count that between the A's, Rays and Marlins one of them will NOT have another stadium, including the possibility that all three won't get the approvals. Well, the Rays are going nowhere, so that point is moot.

Therefore, it is may be down to the Marlins or the A's. I like the A's history so I sympathize with them more. However, Lew Wolff is having a very hard time getting the real estate deal off the ground in Fre(ak)mont. It's still a bit early to make a conclusion but it doesn't look good right now. The Marlins, OTOH, are in a much more precarious situation. If there's a team that actually "needs" a stadium it is them. They can try to work out something to stay at Joe Robbie but they'd be the third tenant there (not just in the actuality but in the perception sense, as it is a rabid football state we're talking about) after 2010. Unless fans come back in droves they'll continue to see average attendances of under 20k/season in the near future. Ironically, the down economic cycle might give them a reprieve, as nobody right now is thinking of taking them elsewhere. Also, from reading at several fan message boards, the fans think David Samson is a jerk and should shut his mouth because he's not a good negotiator. Not my words, though.

So it looks like the Marlins will be the first major sports franchise to know its fate in the new economic times.

[Anubis2051]

I read that it would be either a swimming pool or the Marlins fish tank (which would be where the animatronic marlin would presumably be placed) that would take up the oval space you've asked about. It would perform a similar function to the Mets' Home Run Apple.

Anyway, I think the vote coming up in February (barring another delay) is going to be the first true test on the chances of any new stadium spending in the new economic times. We should watch this space to see how much influence the major leagues have really lost because of tight finances. I read an article the other day at Baseball Prospectus in which the author is already predicting that a stadium project will fail to materialize in the coming years. That would mean by my count that between the A's, Rays and Marlins one of them will NOT have another stadium, including the possibility that all three won't get the approvals. Well, the Rays are going nowhere, so that point is moot.

Therefore, it is may be down to the Marlins or the A's. I like the A's history so I sympathize with them more. However, Lew Wolff is having a very hard time getting the real estate deal off the ground in Fre(ak)mont. It's still a bit early to make a conclusion but it doesn't look good right now. The Marlins, OTOH, are in a much more precarious situation. If there's a team that actually "needs" a stadium it is them. They can try to work out something to stay at Joe Robbie but they'd be the third tenant there (not just in the actuality but in the perception sense, as it is a rabid football state we're talking about) after 2010. Unless fans come back in droves they'll continue to see average attendances of under 20k/season in the near future. Ironically, the down economic cycle might give them a reprieve, as nobody right now is thinking of taking them elsewhere. Also, from reading at several fan message boards, the fans think David Samson is a jerk and should shut his mouth because he's not a good negotiator. Not my words, though.

So it looks like the Marlins will be the first major sports franchise to know its fate in the new economic times.

So this is going to sound insane, but has the possibility of a joint Marlins/Rays stadium been ruled out entirely? That might be a solution to both teams problems.

[marlins739]

If it hasn't been ruled out, it should be. Should the Royals and the Cardinals share a stadium? The Tampa-St. Pete area is a good 4-5 hours from the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm area

[Chevy114]

It looks nice, I hope they release inside shots soon!

[Tino24]

it looks like something out of the cookie cutter era. lame.

[kevin in az]

I'm sure Montreal would give Olympic Stadium to Miami for free if this is really what they want to build.

[GuitarPunk2512]

i think they shoudl go with angles walls instead of curved. they have weird angles walls at dolphin stadium and should be brought over. the distinct distancs, the teal monster, and bermuda triangle should all be the same. the wall color and seats should dfinetly be or at least have some teal in it.

[GuitarPunk2512]

I'm sure Montreal would give Olympic Stadium to Miami for free if this is really what they want to build.

they actually would since it cost the city more money to build and maintain than they got in return. expos should have gotten thier first stadium proposal built but mlb decided not to let that happen. at least mlb isnt letting the marlins move.

[JoseJoseJose7]

booorrringggg this stadium is a waste of time and money. Times Is Rough.

[Anubis2051]

they actually would since it cost the city more money to build and maintain than they got in return. expos should have gotten thier first stadium proposal built but mlb decided not to let that happen. at least mlb isnt letting the marlins move.

Well for now anyway. If Portland or Vegas can come up with a viable stadium, we might see the Marlins lift anchor and move on.

[Shadly]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Marlins09Ballpark1.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Marlins2009Ballpark2.JPG

[Dale_in_MN]

Stadium deal passes the city council.

Next stop is the county on Monday.

This is good news for baseball in south Florida.

[CrisgoMets]

Its a neat looking stadium that blends in with the skyline. Theres no room for it downtown. Theres just no way you could build one downtown. I am not too crazy about the area its in too, but where else could you put it? Could it be built next to Dolphin Stadium? And just an idea

[Jim Vaz]

Its a neat looking stadium that blends in with the skyline. Theres no room for it downtown. Theres just no way you could build one downtown. I am not too crazy about the area its in too, but where else could you put it? Could it be built next to Dolphin Stadium? And just an idea

I'm sure they could easily build something near Dolphins Stadium or a little north towards Sunrise where the Bankatlantic center is, but they seem to really want to get the Miami market and especially that of the latino fanbase in the immediate Miami area.
It will be drawback for those fans from Palm beach County and northern Broward County where right now its a simple ride down Floridas Turnpike. Now its going to be another 20 minute or more trek further south into a more congested area.

[marlins739]

City approved the park, now it's up to the county on Monday
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090319&content_id=4029360&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

As a Palm Beach County fan, I'll drive 20 extra minutes and get over it. The BankAtlantic Center site would have been really nice, but we'll take what we can get down here. I think having actually in Miami will be better for attendance. The Dolph isn't too close to anything, and the BankAtlantic Center is 100 feet from the Everglades, even though both are more convenient for northern Palm Beach County. It's still an hour and a half or so to get down there, so it shouldn't change attendance from my area.

[Chevy114]

The area isn't the best but they could either clean it up or deal with like the white sox. I think if Miami really wanted to clean it up they would have no problem passing laws to relocate those people.

[Jim Vaz]

City approved the park, now it's up to the county on Monday
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090319&content_id=4029360&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

As a Palm Beach County fan, I'll drive 20 extra minutes and get over it. The BankAtlantic Center site would have been really nice, but we'll take what we can get down here. I think having actually in Miami will be better for attendance. The Dolph isn't too close to anything, and the BankAtlantic Center is 100 feet from the Everglades, even though both are more convenient for northern Palm Beach County. It's still an hour and a half or so to get down there, so it shouldn't change attendance from my area.

I agree, its going to be MUCH better fan wise. No more will you guys have that vast sea of empty seats, a Stadium in Miami will draw a lot more fans then one that like you said really isn't near much of anything. I know the Bankatlantic is near a mall, but its still IMO out of the way itself.

Like I said for those fans North of Broward it will be an added burden, but I would take a new park any day over Dolphins stadium, thats been more than adequate but was never meant for baseball. Not to mention a roof will be huge! No more rain delays!

[PeteU]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-marlins-ballpark-vote-032309,0,4819812.story

And......BALLGAME!!!!! :clapping

[Twins91871977]

So when are they gonna switch their name to the Miami Marlins? I heard that they were gonna do that.

[Transic]

Breaking News:

http://www.miamiherald.com/1460/story/964462.html

[Dodgeboy]

Congratulations to the fish fans! Your team's future is no longer in doubt. :clapping:clapping:clapping

[Coach Bombay]

Congradulations to the fish fans! Your team's future is no longer id doubt. :clapping:clapping:clapping

Yeah, all 12 of you, congrats!

[Coach Bombay]

So ehen are they gonna switch their name to the Miami Marlins? I heard that they were gonna do that.

2012, when they move into the new stadium.

[TinoM24]

who wants to sit outside for 3 hours in Miami in the middle of July. it must be like 100 degrees every day at the stadium. and then if it isnt hot it will probably rain. the dome is the most important part of the new park.

[GuitarPunk2512]

Congratulations to the fish fans! Your team's future is no longer in doubt. :clapping:clapping:clapping

too bad the expos couldnt get this done, they actually had a nice stadium with a great downtown view to be built but we all know what happened.

[Coach Bombay]

who wants to sit outside for 3 hours in Miami in the middle of July. it must be like 100 degrees every day at the stadium. and then if it isnt hot it will probably rain. the dome is the most important part of the new park.

The stadium will have a retractable roof, for really hot days, like Houston does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-northeast-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-southeast-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-southwest-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Marlins-Ballpark-Northwest-Aerial-l.jpg

[TinoM24]

yep thats my point. its totally needed. when do they break ground?

[Twins91871977]

Congratulations to the fish fans! Your team's future is no longer in doubt. :clapping:clapping:clapping

I knew that exact feeling in late May of 2006, and then again in August of 2007 when they finally broke ground.

[Transic]

yep thats my point. its totally needed. when do they break ground?

After July 1st, according to what I've read.

In other news, No blocky! No blocky! People who live around Miami know what that expression was supposed to mean. ;)

Check out this video: http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=3529910

[dabigyankeeman]

Its about time! Now at least Miami will keep its team, and while the location may not be the best, it could turn out good in the long run as now the Latins cant complain its too far to drive as they did with the current stadium, which was ridiculous because it wasnt a far drive, but i think the fan base will switch more from us Broward county people to Miami-Dade county people, and now its inbetween two population centers, the new one will in the middle of a population center.

Dont even need to comment on the roof, that will help immensely with the heat and rain down here that has kept even hardcore guys like me away many times.

And get rid of that stupid FLORIDA name, and call them the Miami Marlins like they should have been called right from the start.

Whooppeee-dooooo!!!!!!!

Now with the great young pitchers, lets put a team together and meet the Yankees again in the world series, but this time lets have the Yankees win.:D

[J.R.]

Who ever thought the Marlins would be the one to finally build another true "neighborhood" park?

Congratulations Florida fans.

[OleMissCub]

Hopefully no more of this....

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/marlins-home-game.jpg

[Puma]

This is truly one of the greatest moments in franchise history. It's so gratifying knowing they finally got it done after 15 years. I thought this day would never come :D

[YankeeFanBx]

I'm happy for Marlins fans and baseball in general, this was a must.
Keep it full!:clapping

[aqib]

Yeah, all 12 of you, congrats!

Now now they draw AT LEAST 400 fans.

[DaBigMotor]

I wouldn't say that this is a done deal until the shovels are in the ground.

[amaz1n]

I wouldn't say that this is a done deal until the shovels are in the round.

thats the way i felt with the mets, until i saw that first shovel hit the dirt, i never thought it was going to get done

[Kentucky Bomber]

A link I found in another board, the hopelessness of the Marlins' franchise while under the ownership of the abysmal Jeffrey Loria:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-loria-and-short-of-it/

If the ground breaking is this spring/summer, it'll still be at least 2 years before a new park is opened, 2 years in which the Marlins and their $20 milion payroll will sink deeper into misery, while Loria pockets millions more.

[Chevy114]

Congrats you deserve it! I only went to one marlins game and it was one of the most painful things to do after a 20 minute rain storm made the humidity too thick to breath in!

[dabigyankeeman]

Now now they draw AT LEAST 400 fans.


They wont need FANS, they can close the roof and have AIR CONDITIONING.
:D

[RationalNYYfan]

Any team would have a hard time making the old stadium not look sparcely populated, regardless of fan support.

I hope this franchise really gets re-energized by the stadium!

[SoxfanNH]

Congrats Fish fans, I couldn't be more thrilled for you,


And, It's one less ballpark that violates my ballpark commandments. :clapping

1)Thou shalt not play baseball in a dome(retractable roofs don't count as long as they have real grass)

2)Thou shalt not play baseball on artificial turf

3)Thou shalt not play baseball in a multi-purpose cookie cutter stadium.

Now with the Metrodome going away next year, Shea stadium gone this year and the passage of this ballpark, that just leaves Oakland Coliseum, Tropicana field and Rogers Centre as the only remaining ballparks that violate my commandments!

[reh303]

Any Marlins fans have an opinion on the Florida/Miami name change?

Congrats on the new park...even though I may or may not still be bitter about 2003.:silent:

[Transic]

The Marlins are going from this:

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/marlins-home-game.jpg

to this:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9749/calleochoe.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5371/calleocho27.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6075/img6235.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1990/img5385.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8015/img5389.jpg

http://www.viajeahorro.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/calle8.jpg

Not the exact location but it's just a few blocks down. I can't really blame them when the neighborhood is this caliente! :D

No blocky blocky

[SoxfanNH]

Any Marlins fans have an opinion on the Florida/Miami name change?

Congrats on the new park...even though I may or may not still be bitter about 2003.:silent:

I welcome the name change to the Miami Marlins. I'm not a big fan of teams using their their state in the name. I'd much rather have them use the city they play in. I'm also not a fan of teams using the name of a nearby city, ie the Los Angelas Angels(of Anaheim) and Tampa Bay Rays(I don't know why they couldn't play in Tampa to begin with).

[Chevy114]

We were told in 1998 they would change to the miami marlins and every year since same story maybe this is the year, but nothing. Not a big deal to me though.

[Jetsss]

Congratulations Marlin fans your new stadium looks awesome. We (Met fans) open Citi Field this week. Can't wait to see it.

[ZeoBandit]

The stadium looks great. Can't wait to see it rise. I'm glad the Fish finally got this done.

[Dodgeboy]

I welcome the name change to the Miami Marlins. I'm not a big fan of teams using their their state in the name. I'd much rather have them use the city they play in. I'm also not a fan of teams using the name of a nearby city, ie the Los Angelas Angels(of Anaheim) and Tampa Bay Rays(I don't know why they couldn't play in Tampa to begin with).

Umm, sorry about that, I guess. The Twins were the first team named after a state. Back then, the sibling rivalry between the "Twin Cities" was pretty intense, and Griffith didn't want to PO one city's potential fans, so he came up with the "Twin City Twins." MLB (thankfully) said NO, and the governor suggested "Minnesota" instead. It obviously worked. Besides, Minneapolis is the Millers, St Paul is the Saints.

Naming the team after the entire state works when it's the ONLY team in the state, or even the region, especially out west (see MN, Colorado, Arizona, etc). Not sure why the Rangers are Texas over Dallas. The Marlins should be Miami.

[PeteU]

And some good news at the end of this recent article:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-flspmarlins25sbmar25,0,805292.story

"The Marlins sold 15,000 game tickets Tuesday, about a five-fold increase over their typical daily sales at this time of year."

Maybe I'm not as crazy as I thought for saying the same thing all along. The Marlins will benefit from the stability.

[PeteU]

Any Marlins fans have an opinion on the Florida/Miami name change?

Congrats on the new park...even though I may or may not still be bitter about 2003.:silent:

Even though I live in Palm Beach County and not Miami, I like the Miami Marlins change. It's basically a "Marlins 2.0" It gives the baseball fans of the area a second chance to embrace the team and leave the turmultous and unstable Florida Marlins days behind. Psychologically it's a savvy move, believe it or not.

[mandrake]

Umm, sorry about that, I guess. The Twins were the first team named after a state. Back then, the sibling rivalry between the "Twin Cities" was pretty intense, and Griffith didn't want to PO one city's potential fans, so he came up with the "Twin City Twins." MLB (thankfully) said NO, and the governor suggested "Minnesota" instead. It obviously worked. Besides, Minneapolis is the Millers, St Paul is the Saints.

Naming the team after the entire state works when it's the ONLY team in the state, or even the region, especially out west (see MN, Colorado, Arizona, etc). Not sure why the Rangers are Texas over Dallas. The Marlins should be Miami.

The Texas Rangers are named in honor of the Texas Rangers. And since they were located in Arlington, between Dallas and Fort Worth, the used the name Texas. The Cowboys will , of course, keep the Dallas name when they play in Arlington because they have been established as a brand since 1960.
The Rangers were the second failed Senators. Ironically, the other Senators team also took the name of the State of Minnesota.

Good luck to Miami. I never thought they would get a stadium. I guess I was wrong.

[SoxfanNH]

Umm, sorry about that, I guess. The Twins were the first team named after a state. Back then, the sibling rivalry between the "Twin Cities" was pretty intense, and Griffith didn't want to PO one city's potential fans, so he came up with the "Twin City Twins." MLB (thankfully) said NO, and the governor suggested "Minnesota" instead. It obviously worked. Besides, Minneapolis is the Millers, St Paul is the Saints.

Naming the team after the entire state works when it's the ONLY team in the state, or even the region, especially out west (see MN, Colorado, Arizona, etc). Not sure why the Rangers are Texas over Dallas. The Marlins should be Miami.

It not that big of a deal, just a very minor thing for me but come to think of it, team names like the Minnesota Twins have been around for so long anything else just wouldn't look right. The Minneapolis Twins looks kind of awkward!

[Scooterville20]

I welcome the name change to the Miami Marlins. I'm not a big fan of teams using their their state in the name. I'd much rather have them use the city they play in. I'm also not a fan of teams using the name of a nearby city, ie the Los Angelas Angels(of Anaheim) and Tampa Bay Rays(I don't know why they couldn't play in Tampa to begin with).

I agree with you about not being a big fan of teams that use the state in their name.
However, in the case of several teams mentioned before (Texas, Minnesota, Colorado) having the state in their team name represents something bigger than just the city they play in. The Texas Rangers for the actual Texas Rnagers, the Minnesota Twins pays homage to two cities in the state and the Colorado Rockies are named after the Colorado Rockies mountain range (there was also a Colorado Rockies hockey team that left for New Jersey to become the Devils). Maybe they are gimicky-type names but in those cases they work.

The Marlins should absolutely be the Miami Marlins. Congrats on the new stadium.

[Smirkman]

It could be worse and they could be named for a nickname or just a region as opposed to a real governmental entity.

See New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers or (the worst) Golden State Warriors.

Can you imagine the Sunshine State Marlins? The Miami Marlins sounds so much better than Florida Marlins anyway.

What will be even more interesting will be what the Athletics city name will be once they move somewhere besides Oakland.

[Paul W]

message to metro-dade taxpayers...
open your wallets and pay up!
these projects never come in on budget and the projections for the income from the tourist tax are based on a overly optomistic unrealistic projections!

get the truth - http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

[Chevy114]

message to metro-dade taxpayers...
open your wallets and pay up!
these projects never come in on budget and the projections for the income from the tourist tax are based on a overly optomistic unrealistic projections!

get the truth - http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

Lol is this based on yankee stadium going almost a half billion of projects or citi costing more tax payer money than expected? I think when the marlins are selling out games because it's 75 degrees at a marlins game I don't think they will mind paying a little extra. Even if the extras are for parking garages or other nessicites!

[Paul W]

Lol is this based on yankee stadium going almost a half billion of projects or citi costing more tax payer money than expected? I think when the marlins are selling out games because it's 75 degrees at a marlins game I don't think they will mind paying a little extra. Even if the extras are for parking garages or other nessicites!

none of these buildings come in "on budget", that's one reason why they are boondoggles costing taxpayers more than the could get back.
the marlins won't sell out much, they never will especially after the aura of a new place wears off. i've lived in dade co. (miami lakes) and the south florida market is owned by the dolphins, the marlins come in a distant second there. lauria (and his pal buddy selig) will find a way to foist all overruns on the taxpayers.

get the truth - http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

[SoxfanNH]

It could be worse and they could be named for a nickname or just a region as opposed to a real governmental entity.

See New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers or (the worst) Golden State Warriors.

Can you imagine the Sunshine State Marlins? The Miami Marlins sounds so much better than Florida Marlins anyway.

What will be even more interesting will be what the Athletics city name will be once they move somewhere besides Oakland.

As a Patriots fan, I wouldn't mind them going back to being the Boston Patriots like they were once upon a time. The absolute worst is when a team is named after their corporate sponsor like the Connecticut Sun of the WNBA(named after the Mohegan Sun casino) and the NY Red Bull of MLS.

[SoxfanNH]

According to the agreement, the Marlins are responsible for any cost overruns.

[Paul W]

According to the agreement, the Marlins are responsible for any cost overruns.

don't believe everything you read... look up lauria's history, especially in montreal.

[PeteU]

don't believe everything you read... look up lauria's history, especially in montreal.

You don't get it. If Loria doesn't pay for cost overruns, the City/County gets to sue for Breach of Contract. It's in the agreement.

[Paul W]

You don't get it. If Loria doesn't pay for cost overruns, the City/County gets to sue for Breach of Contract. It's in the agreement.

"contracts aren't worth the paper they are printed on..." - charles o. finley

check out what is happening between the nj devils and city of newark, don't take things at face (club spin) value

get the truth - http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

[Transic]

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/04/marlins_stadium_update_no_20_t.html

The architects said they view the ballpark as a “piece of art,” or “a sculpture” in an urban neighborhood. The ballpark will be “facing toward the city of Miami skyline to really place the building in the city of Miami,” said Greg Sherlock, HOK Sport principal. The way it’s designed, the outfield frames downtown Miami.

The roof is created in three panels that stack over the grand west plaza, a vast area with a reflecting pool that will become the focal point, not only for entry to the stadium, but also for pre- and post-game activities, and community events and gatherings.

“It’s a Kodak moment, where people want to enter the building,” Sherlock said.

Four mixed use garages with retail on the first floor are to flank the ballpark -- two on the north and two on the south. They are to feature wide – 15- to 21-foot – sidewalks alongside them. The idea is to make the ballpark pedestrian-friendly and a good fit within the neighborhood. Three surface lots each are planned on the east and west sides of the ballpark. There are also plans for residential units and a mix of landscaping with palms and shade trees.

[aqib]

And some good news at the end of this recent article:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-flspmarlins25sbmar25,0,805292.story

"The Marlins sold 15,000 game tickets Tuesday, about a five-fold increase over their typical daily sales at this time of year."

Maybe I'm not as crazy as I thought for saying the same thing all along. The Marlins will benefit from the stability.

15K tickets? Wow maybe they can crack the top 25 in attendance for the first time this decade! Coem on Marlin "fans" drive for 25! Yes We Can!

[Dodgeboy]

To be fair, I doubt the Marlin's will see a major jump in ticket sales until the new place opens. You're still talking about watching baseball in 95º weather with the humidity around 90%. :crazy Doesn't sound like fun to me.

[kimthemetschick]

To be fair, I doubt the Marlin's will see a major jump in ticket sales until the new place opens. You're still talking about watching baseball in 95º weather with the humidity around 90%. :crazy Doesn't sound like fun to me.

Oh, what I wouldn't have given to be there this weekend. It just killed me to see all those empty seats, and those in the seats wearing t-shirts and shorts. Quite a contrst to me freezing my @$$ off last weekend at Citi :ughh

BTW, if they are not coming to the satdium now, what makes them think that fans (or fair-weather fans) will pay more to come to a new stadium?

[GuitarPunk2512]

it will have a roof with climate control...isnt it?

[BMF]

it will have a roof with climate control...isnt it?

from a dream to reality

[Rob R]

http://www.viajeahorro.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/calle8.jpg

I'll take the one on the left and the cuban sandwich on the right. Who cares about a stinkin' game?

[mets16]

I'll take the one on the left and the cuban sandwich on the right. Who cares about a stinkin' game?

Wow. No wonder why they draw 3K a game. I don't think Willets Point has babes like this. :laugh

[Rob R]

Wow. No wonder why they draw 3K a game. I don't think Willets Point has babes like this. :laugh

:laugh Are you trying to say that she's more attractive than the chop shops in Flushing and the scenic Bronx Terminal Market???? Is THAT what I'm hearing you say?

[kimthemetschick]

Wow. No wonder why they draw 3K a game. I don't think Willets Point has babes like this. :laugh

What are you trying to say about chicks from Queens? Huh??

[BMF]

I'll take the one on the left and the cuban sandwich on the right. Who cares about a stinkin' game?

wow wish that was on the menu at citi:laugh:laugh oh yeah and the sandwich too:laugh:laugh:clapping

[BMF]

What are you trying to say about chicks from Queens? Huh??

I said nothing about queens. the women of queens are just that..... wish I could get them to hold a sandwich in that tight shirt though:clapping:laugh:crazy:hissyfit:

[locke40]

Congratulations Marlin fans your new stadium looks awesome. We (Met fans) open Citi Field this week. Can't wait to see it.

Let's just hope they do a better job with the new Marlins stadium then they did with Citi Field.

[RoastedPeanut]

Let's just hope they do a better job with the new Marlins stadium then they did with Citi Field.

Not cool..

[BMF]

Let's just hope they do a better job with the new Marlins stadium then they did with Citi Field.

and just whats wrong with citi? its more cozier than that shill of a place in the bronx

[kimthemetschick]

Let's just hope they do a better job with the new Marlins stadium then they did with Citi Field.

Have you been there yet? Or is it just b/c you don't like the team that plays there?

[mets16]

What are you trying to say about chicks from Queens? Huh??

Nothing, just chicks from South Florida may be a tad better;)

[kimthemetschick]

Nothing, just chicks from South Florida may be a tad better;)

:cry::cry::cry::cry:

[mets16]

:cry::cry::cry::cry:

Hey hey, I am a Queens native turned Long Islander.... I have seen my fair share of pretty ladies around there. :nod:

[NYBase]

I predict a few concerts at that venue if it's so close to calle 8.

Also, Miami Marlins does sound a lot better than Florida Marlins. Miami is fun, spicy, etc... Florida just doesn't have that same ring. Hit the beach and some bars after the game. I'm down!

[brewerfan386]

Now that we have talked about which state/city has the hottest chicks (not that there's anything wrong w/that).... who has some new renderings and/or update?

[nymets3007]

Let's just hope they do a better job with the new Marlins stadium then they did with Citi Field.

With that icon, that was extremely biased. If you want to sound serious, hide the icon.:waving At least we're not playing in a park with a BANK like look until you see a ball field. Digressing.......

This is great for Miami. Dolphin Stadium is terrible for a ballgame (436 in CF is just....gah!) Now with a roof, whenever the Metsies come to town, we won't see so much rain! :nod:

[Transic]

FWIW, the Herald has put up more renderings of the stadium on their webpage.

http://www.miamiherald.com/photos/gallery/874496.html

Pics 1 to 11 are the latest ones.

[GuitarPunk2512]

can you see the miami skyline past the outfield? that would be cool if you could. the 1st picture makes the stadium look very nice, we might have a new perfect retractable roof that doesnt make you feel like your in a hanger

[PeteU]

15K tickets? Wow maybe they can crack the top 25 in attendance for the first time this decade! Coem on Marlin "fans" drive for 25! Yes We Can!

Hey dude.

The Marlins got their stadium. You claimed they would never get their stadium and actually cheered for such a possiblity.

Guess what? The Marlins got their stadium.

You lost.

Get over it.

[PeteU]

Interior rendering of the Marlins' Park:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q344/Tommy_Carcetti/Marlinspark.jpg

[Jbutta29]

I am suprised no one has stated how similar in concept the stadium looks to where the Miami Heat play
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/American_Airlines_Arena_backside.jpg/800px-American_Airlines_Arena_backside.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/296073563_14d88417df.jpg

As for the Stadium, the players deserve a new stadium. Im not so sure about the owner. I will say I think the location of the stadium being the reason people dont show up is not a good argument. simply because Dolphin Stadium is MUCH easier to access as opposed to where they want to plop this new stadium.

Current Stadium which has an exit directly off the Turnpike. Note the easy access areas as well as those streets being very wide 3 to 4 lanes goingboth ways on the south side and west side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/TrueHorror/FinsStadium1.jpg

New Proposed Site...same scale as pic up above, seems a bit cramped to me! I suppose exiting off the Dolphin expressway can be done. However you mean to tell me THIS was the ideal site, in a crowded rundown little neighborhood with one lane two way streets all around??
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/TrueHorror/FinStadium2.jpg

I think they are going to lose ALOT of the fans that actually showed up to Dolphin Stadium. I also as a person who goes to many more games than just the METS games say the fan base down here in south florida is downright pitiful. They dont care about their teams aside from the Dolphins. Im not talking about the people on this board who are actually into their team and interested in what goes on day to day. I also think the weather is a sorry excuse, especially when Dolphin and Hurricane games show people have no problem sitting roasting in the sun when they care, most fin games are 1:00 games and the sun is BEAMING at that time and they fill up. The Marlins games generally start at 7 on weeknights and 6 on saturdays. It seems the majority of "marlins" fans only show up when the Mets, Red Sox or Yanks are in town because its the "cool thing to do" they dont come to cheer they come to boo the other team and pretend like they show up all year long and they dont, I do when i go to watch the Marlins play the Pirates and the Nats along with the other real marlins fans who actually give a damn about their team and are their watching those games with me because we love baseball and dont make excuses when the tickets are dirt cheap. the same fans who dont show up just to see a Flo Rida concert conveniently set on a day the Mets are in town. To those true Marlins fans on this board I hope you enjoy the new stadium and people like you deserve it, but to all those fake fans I hope they dont show up at the new stadium either as they are the lowest of the low, the front runner bandwagon crowd that shows up to Heat games and dont even pay attention to the court.

[Brad Harris]

Has construction on the new stadium actually begun yet?

[GuitarPunk2512]

the interior of the stadium is great in the rendering, i dont like the outside though, its like a giant white ball in a way,

[Jbutta29]

Has construction on the new stadium actually begun yet?


no, just the demolition of the orange bowl is complete.

[Jbutta29]

Also i cant speak for everyone, but when gametime is 7pm on weeknights, traffic heading down south between 5-7 is gonna be a nightmare...

[JT7]

Also i cant speak for everyone, but when gametime is 7pm on weeknights, traffic heading down south between 5-7 is gonna be a nightmare...

What major city doesn't have that problem though???? That's why you leave at least 1 hour to 1 hour 1/2 (depending on where you live) prior to game time.... For those who live in LA, you know what I'm talking about! You gotta love that 10 west around 5pm.....And Angels Fans...you know what's up on the 5 and 57 freeways!

[Jbutta29]

Many cities have that problem, My point being you dont need to throw the stadium in an area where you cant avoid traffic, I never had trouble heading out to Dolphin stadium at 6pm to see the Marlins play. I will when that new stadium opens if i still live here.

[AntD36]

The stadium will have a retractable roof, for really hot days, like Houston does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-northeast-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-southeast-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Miami-Ballpark-southwest-aerial-lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlins%20new/Marlins-Ballpark-Northwest-Aerial-l.jpg


It looks like a giant marshmallow with the roof closed.

[NYBase]

I don't watch college football or know much about Miami... but why was the Orange Bowl demolished?

[Jbutta29]

Id say because it was a $hit Hole. It had alot of sentimental value for Canes fans and was a good atmosphere in the bowl, the amenities however didnt exist, the bathrooms didnt even have lights from what i recall. It was cool but very dilapitated and the city being cheap didnt want to renovate it, which i say is what should have been done. It may have been that or the fact they are making more money playing at fin stadium.

[Chevy114]

I don't watch college football or know much about Miami... but why was the Orange Bowl demolished?

It was run down, it was big enough land to do other things, and dolphins stadium is amazing compared to it. Jim levitt told me once that the reason the Univ. of South Florida doesn't move out of the Ray Jay in tampa was because it was a huge recruiting tool to show kids that they use the same locker room as the pros.

[Jbutta29]

One prob though with the Canes games at Dolphin Stadium is the open the upper and lower bowl so that everyone is spread out and the crowd looks and feels really thin.

[dabigyankeeman]

On the interior drawing, way too much foul territory, and it looks terrible going straight to the outfield wall, it should cut in and run along the foul line in the outfield.

The area around the stadium is not the best, but the people make a fortune parking cars on their lawns, so this is one place that really will help the local economy!

As to the name, it should have been Miami Marlins right from the start, that identifies the area, this stupid Florida name is ridiculous.

[Transic]

Groundbreaking still is expected in July, but within weeks, visitors to the Web site will be able to see developments on the grounds of the future home of the franchise.

"We are going to go live with EarthCam -- it's been installed," Marlins president David Samson said. "It will provide a 24-hour live view of the ballpark. It will allow our fans to zoom in, zoom out, to literally maneuver the camera themselves. It will simply be the place to go for the next 33 months."

The exact date of when the camera will be turned on is still being determined. But it is close to being activated.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090427&content_id=4449282&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

On Tuesday and Wednesday, county leaders are set to meet with rating agencies that will assess Miami-Dade County's financial condition and its plan to sell $563 million in bonds to pay for construction of the planned Little Havana stadium and refinance existing county debt.

The three agencies -- Fitch, S&P and Moodys -- are expected to rate the bond proposal before the end of next month. County Manager George Burgess said the county then plans to ``go to market in either late May or early June, at which point we will know if we can sell all the bonds at the right price.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1021587.html

[Jbutta29]

On the interior drawing, way too much foul territory, and it looks terrible going straight to the outfield wall, it should cut in and run along the foul line in the outfield.

The area around the stadium is not the best, but the people make a fortune parking cars on their lawns, so this is one place that really will help the local economy!

As to the name, it should have been Miami Marlins right from the start, that identifies the area, this stupid Florida name is ridiculous.

well at the time they were the only FL team, so i guess maybe they wanted to capitalize on the entire state for fans...who knows though.

[Transic]

I found a .pdf of the Marlins ballpark site plan, in full detail, from the Miami gov't website. It was linked to at another message board, so that's how I found it.

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/50245.pdf

People interested in knowing what the view would be like should check out the pages labeled "Context Site Photographs"

[NYBase]

I found a .pdf of the Marlins ballpark site plan, in full detail, from the Miami gov't website. It was linked to at another message board, so that's how I found it.

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/50245.pdf

People interested in knowing what the view would be like should check out the pages labeled "Context Site Photographs"

I can only imagine if we would've had access to a similar form when NYS and Citi were being built! Endless analysis!!!

[gator92]

I found a .pdf of the Marlins ballpark site plan, in full detail, from the Miami gov't website. It was linked to at another message board, so that's how I found it.

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/50245.pdf

People interested in knowing what the view would be like should check out the pages labeled "Context Site Photographs"

Nice find! This will save me some time, if they don't change this plan too much!

[pudgie_child]

On the interior drawing, way too much foul territory, and it looks terrible going straight to the outfield wall, it should cut in and run along the foul line in the outfield.


Funny, that's one of the few things I like about the design. This way the stands parallel the roof track and 6th Street as much as possible.

http://www.transitmiami.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/miami-ballpark-district-site-plan-lg.jpg

[ncyankeefan]

I like, it seems different. Not all parks have to be retro style, although I do prefer them. Congrats Marlins fans!

[Paul W]

marlins fans/dade co. taxpayers - you pay $$$$$$'s
jeffie loria/contractors/politicians - take in $$$$$$$'s

[marlins739]

Jeffrey Loria is putting in a large chunk of money himself, and the contractors are providing much-needed construction jobs down here, so I don't really see all of the public spending as a bad thing.

A retro style park wouldn't have worked down here. Just about everything is from the 50s or later, so you hardly see any red brick. Camden-style would have been very out of place. I think it's a good fit for a modern place, and I'm sure the design will get a lot better as they work on it. Compare early drawings of NYS and Citi Field and Nationals Park to the final products

[Goober]

Jeffrey Loria is putting in a large chunk of money himself, and the contractors are providing much-needed construction jobs down here, so I don't really see all of the public spending as a bad thing.

A retro style park wouldn't have worked down here. Just about everything is from the 50s or later, so you hardly see any red brick. Camden-style would have been very out of place. I think it's a good fit for a modern place, and I'm sure the design will get a lot better as they work on it. Compare early drawings of NYS and Citi Field and Nationals Park to the final products

I would have loved to see a South Beach neon Art Deco inspired ballpark. Even the thought of that makes me smile...

Moose

[Chevy114]

I would have loved to see a South Beach neon Art Deco inspired ballpark. Even the thought of that makes me smile...

Moose

I second that, but the all white does fit in around those parts.

[Transic]

Of note:

The new ballpark's footprint will have a south-east orientation, with unobstructed views of Miami's famed skyline made possible by six operable glass panels. The ballpark will be located on the parcel of land bordered by NW 6th Street to the north, NW 4th Street to the south, NW 16th Avenue to the west and NW 14th Avenue to the east.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20090501&content_id=4509340&vkey=pr_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

[BMF]

It looks like a giant marshmallow with the roof closed.

dont get me wrong im not bashing the park.. but it really looks sterile with all that white. other than that I like the look its unique

[pudgie_child]

Of note:

The new ballpark's footprint will have a south-east orientation, with unobstructed views of Miami's famed skyline made possible by six operable glass panels. The ballpark will be located on the parcel of land bordered by NW 6th Street to the north, NW 4th Street to the south, NW 16th Avenue to the west and NW 14th Avenue to the east.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20090501&content_id=4509340&vkey=pr_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

I'm not sure how they can call the view to the skyline "unobstructed":

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q344/Tommy_Carcetti/Marlinspark.jpg

The supports appear to be holding up the fixed portion of the roof on the east side of the stadium.

All in all, though, the stadium is growing on me. At this point, it looks like it will be the best retractable-roofed stadium in baseball.

[Altitude]

It looks nice, but will the fans show up?

[Jbutta29]

For the first month or year.

[RayNY]

I really like the concept design. It's refreshing to see a new ballpark that does not look like all the other HOK retro-style cookie cutters out there. I wish the Mets went more contemporary with their ballpark as well. This looks like a giant step forward for the Marlins. Now all they need are some fans.

[Mario Mendoza...HOF Lock]

Here's hoping every day the Marlins play is breezy and 80 degrees. Games under retractable roofs are no better than games in domes. Dark. Dreary. Sterile. Depressing.

Now I need a Prozac:(