PLEASE! Someone Here Do This Before It's Too Late!!!

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

I know there's a lot of fellow Yankee fans in here, and many with season tickets.

Big favor to ask: Can someone photograph the infamous "row K" section of the steps(and stands) in the Upper Deck of current YS? The off-sized step that so many seem unable to negotiate?

Two photos of the transition would be awesome: A close-up, and a wide-angle showing the transition in context with the rise of the upper deck.

Look forward to any contributions - thanks!

[donut726]

I will be at Yankee Stadium on September 17, 2008. I will watch the New York Yankees beat the Chicago White Sox at Yankee Stadium. I will take picture of the infamous "row K".

[DMR67442]

TAKEN IN APRIL 08 ON THE TOUR IF SOMEONE HAS A GOOD EDIT PROGRAM MAYBE THEY CAN SHADOW OR CIRCLE IT I WILL BE HAPPY TO SEND IT TO THEM IN A FILE FORMAT AS WELL
:cap:

DAVE

[mets16]

hows this?

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8141/yskeditzr2.jpg

[jimmyjimjimz]

why do you want a picture of it so bad? Did you fall on it and you wanna sue Mr. Steinbrenner? Or is that where the last row of the old stadium was?

Seriously, why do you want a picture of a step?

[YankeeFanBx]

My first game this year June 8 I sat in Tier Sec. 32 row K seat 1
never sat in Grandstand before.
I have never seen so many trips and falls in my life!
Of course I still have the stubs!

[yankies4life]

i was at the old timers game 2 years ago and sat on the isle of tier 32 and counted 14 people who tripped throughout the entire day. i told my dad to watch everytime someone came up. then everyone in the section caught on and everytime someone came up, we would all look and when they tripped, we all laughed

[kobathecat]

Interesting. I counted 8 additional rows if this indeed was the transition point. I had always read they added 14 rows. Can anyone clarify?

I would love to see a photo of the border where they patched over the old third deck portals. I wonder if you would notice if sitting over them.

[jimmyjimjimz]

Interesting. I counted 8 additional rows if this indeed was the transition point. I had always read they added 14 rows. Can anyone clarify?

I would love to see a photo of the border where they patched over the old third deck portals. I wonder if you would notice if sitting over them.

I thought the original portals were right under the current portals, and that's why when you walk to the portals, the floor slopes down or up, depending on the direction you walk.

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

why do you want a picture of it so bad? Did you fall on it and you wanna sue Mr. Steinbrenner? Or is that where the last row of the old stadium was?

Seriously, why do you want a picture of a step?

Alright now, don't jump to conclusions about lawsuits and what-not. :D

I want a picture of the row K delineation for the same reason people are posting photos of URINALS & mysterious doorways.

And row K at 161st street has a lot more historical significance to some people than a TOILET. :banghead:

[mets16]

why do you want a picture of it so bad? Did you fall on it and you wanna sue Mr. Steinbrenner? Or is that where the last row of the old stadium was?

Seriously, why do you want a picture of a step?

to each his own man.

[Gary Dunaier]

A couple of close-ups for your inspection...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/2687933606_d42f658dd6.jpg?v=0
(Photo taken July 19, 2008. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/2687933606/in/set-72157606283408430/))

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2687934768_370836112f.jpg?v=0
(Photo taken July 19, 2008. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/2687934768/in/set-72157606283408430/))

[Manhattan]

A couple of close-ups for your inspection...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/2687933606_d42f658dd6.jpg?v=0
(Photo taken July 19, 2008. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/2687933606/in/set-72157606283408430/))

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2687934768_370836112f.jpg?v=0
(Photo taken July 19, 2008. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/2687934768/in/set-72157606283408430/))
I am sorry won't be able to be at Yankee Stadium this season. I will be at New Yankee Stadium next season.

[Gary Dunaier]

I am sorry won't be able to be at Yankee Stadium this season. I will be at New Yankee Stadium next season.

I accept your apology.

[Manhattan]

I accept your apology.
Thank you Gary. Can anyone please take lots pictures of the inside of Yankee Stadium?

[Mike Wagner]

Dear Guys,
For the accuracy of my Yankee Stadium Renovation 1973-1976 book, it looks to me that I should write that 8 rows were added to the Upper Deck for the renovation, and NOT 10. I want to be accurate. Is that correct? 8 rows?

-Mike Wagner

[Yankees12]

Dear Guys,
For the accuracy of my Yankee Stadium Renovation 1973-1976 book, it looks to me that I should write that 8 rows were added to the Upper Deck for the renovation, and NOT 10. I want to be accurate. Is that correct? 8 rows?

-Mike Wagner

I've often heard 9 rows were added, but it looks like it might be 8. I'm not sure if the current Row K existed back then or not.

[Westlake]

I don't see what's so different about that step. Anyone care to explain?

[cgcoyne2]

I don't see what's so different about that step. Anyone care to explain?

When Yankee Stadium was refurbished they added around 10 rows to the upper deck and added a vertical column. The upper rows that were added balanced the top part with the bottom part at this new fulcrum point. They also added cables that hold the top in place. Row K, because it seem to be a few inches higher than all the rest seems to be the point that the new rows were added. What I mean by higher is that when you walk up the stairs in the upper deck row K seems to be where everybody trips because the height is a little off from the rest of the stairs.

A few notes.

1. In Gary's picture there isn't a Yellow metal plate at row K.
2. In the past Gary has stated that he is taking pictures from the top, left-most seats in the Right field upper deck and that the row was row X, I believe.
3. In the big picture above there is only 8 rows above the yellow metal plate, that would make the top row, row S. We know that is incorrect.
4. If the metal plate is around row O and 8 rows above is row X (I'm not using row Q) why is it at this location? It seems to be 4 rows or so off!
5. This seems confusing. Also what section is this picture taken from. Not that it should really matter.

[stadiumbuilder]

Interesting. I counted 8 additional rows if this indeed was the transition point. I had always read they added 14 rows. Can anyone clarify?

I would love to see a photo of the border where they patched over the old third deck portals. I wonder if you would notice if sitting over them.

I've inspected three times this season, and I haven't been able to see any evidence showing the edges of the old portal fill in spots. The coating of paint or sealer or whatever it is they apply is so thick you can't see. I've also looked for signs of where the upper deck roof support columns were, but it looks like the steps (aisles) were moved to a point right over where the columns were. Somebody else brought up the possibility of the 463,433,407 ft. markers showing through on the old black back wall and I couldn't find any evidence of those either, then I checked my reconstruction photos and noticed at one point later on in the renovation, that back wall had been stripped to bare concrete, so those Ft. markers are gone for sure.

[stadiumbuilder]

I've often heard 9 rows were added, but it looks like it might be 8. I'm not sure if the current Row K existed back then or not.

I have checked, re-checked and counted and re-counted a number of times and there are ten added rows to the back of the upper deck, provided there are seats on the very top tread. I see ten risers of new concrete showing off the back end of the existing 1923 deck. Further confirmation comes from pictures of the stringers before the concrete decking was poured, they are designed for ten. And printed evidence, NY Times Aug 29, 1974: "Next, new steel columns were installed behind the grandstand seating sections. To shift the stadium weight outward, onto the new pillars, 10 rows of seats are being added to the back of the top deck".

[Mike Wagner]

Dear Guys,
I guess I'll leave it in my Yankee Stadium Renovation book that there were 10 rows added to the Upper Deck. thank you all, once again.

-Mike Wagner

[kobathecat]

I've inspected three times this season, and I haven't been able to see any evidence showing the edges of the old portal fill in spots. The coating of paint or sealer or whatever it is they apply is so thick you can't see. I've also looked for signs of where the upper deck roof support columns were, but it looks like the steps (aisles) were moved to a point right over where the columns were. Somebody else brought up the possibility of the 463,433,407 ft. markers showing through on the old black back wall and I couldn't find any evidence of those either, then I checked my reconstruction photos and noticed at one point later on in the renovation, that back wall had been stripped to bare concrete, so those Ft. markers are gone for sure.

Here is a recent photo I took this past June of the remaining columns on the loge level, at least.

[spiderico]

When Yankee Stadium was refurbished they added around 10 rows to the upper deck and added a vertical column. The upper rows that were added balanced the top part with the bottom part at this new fulcrum point. They also added cables that hold the top in place. Row K, because it seem to be a few inches higher than all the rest seems to be the point that the new rows were added. What I mean by higher is that when you walk up the stairs in the upper deck row K seems to be where everybody trips because the height is a little off from the rest of the stairs.

A few notes.

1. In Gary's picture there isn't a Yellow metal plate at row K.
2. In the past Gary has stated that he is taking pictures from the top, left-most seats in the Right field upper deck and that the row was row X, I believe.
3. In the big picture above there is only 8 rows above the yellow metal plate, that would make the top row, row S. We know that is incorrect.
4. If the metal plate is around row O and 8 rows above is row X (I'm not using row Q) why is it at this location? It seems to be 4 rows or so off!
5. This seems confusing. Also what section is this picture taken from. Not that it should really matter.

Yes. Something is off here. In the current UD, the box rows go A-F, 2 rows per letter (12 Rows). And after aisle, the reserve goes A-X, skipping I, O, Q (21 rows).

[Gary Dunaier]

2. In the past Gary has stated that he is taking pictures from the top, left-most seats in the Right field upper deck and that the row was row X, I believe.

Correct. Good old Section 35, Row X, Seat 12.

The equivalent seat on the left field side (section 36) isn't as exciting from a photographer's viewpoint, because you've got the roof of the escalator tower right there, so you can't get any good "watch that first step, it's a big one!" type of shots.

5. This seems confusing. Also what section is this picture taken from. Not that it should really matter.

If you're asking about my shots from post #12, they're of the aisle between one of the following sectional pairs:
1 and 3, Tier Reserved
3 and 5, Tier Reserved
5 and 7, Tier Reserved
I don't remember specifically because I was moving around the stadium at that time, and I didn't take a "reference photo" to give me an idea what section I was in.

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

Thanks everyone for contributing here! Very interesting photos - more so than those of restrooms. :D

Basically the seats in the row along that step are elevated by the same amount(1/2 - 1"?), giving people in that row a slight sightline advantage over those in, for the purpose of this discussion, row "J" in front of them and in row-L behind them.

So based on the confusion in this thread regarding how many rows were added to the upper deck, and whether that step really IS the transition point between old and new, I theorize the following:

1. NONE of the concrete in the upper bowl is ORIGINAL(from 1923, 1928, or 1937). The only thing original up there is the steel skeleton, including the original catwalks/vomitoria.

2. Two events, beyond time itself, led to the re-casting of the concrete of the upper bowl:
A. The final "Bat Day" at pre-1976 Y.S. No explanation needed.
B. The final day of business at pre-1976 Y.S. Explanation: Over-enthuzed fans ripped just about as many seats and other fixed items from their fittings embedded in the original concrete. The Upper Deck surfacing, along with that of most other levels at the Stadium, probably resembled the floors in Saddam's palace after the initial invasion of Iraqi freedom.

On that last note, structurally and cosmetically the existing concrete literally would "not stand". As mUch as possible of it was removed and recast - as faithfully as possible to the original pitch(row-to-row distance), but not exactly in line with the original rise-over-runs comprising rows and stairs.

3. In summary, row-K may approximate the transition point between old upper deck and the extension, but is in all reality either slightly above or below the actual boundary. Perhaps anywhere from one to four of the top-most rows in OYS may have been obliterated during the surgery that added "spines"(dug up ol' Joe again to illustrate) to extend the upper deck.

Any thoughts?