CKL All Decade Team: Secondbase

[leecemark]

--Here are the basic stats for all secondbasemen who met the basic requirements for the ballot. You may vote for someone not on the ballot and I'll be happy to add their info here upon request. The Batting and Fielding Leaderboards can be found in post one of the All Decade team geneal discussion thread. We will be selecting first, second and third teamers. Voting will be open for two weeks. Please vote for 5. Votes will be counted 5 for 1st, 4 for 2nd and so on. The candidates;

Joe Morgan: 263/378/399, 56 HR, 276 RBI, 458 runs, 149 SB, 1 time All Star, 3rd 9n 1963 MVP voitng

Pete Rose: 304/375/413, 45 HR, 410 RBI, 587 runs, 4 time All Star, 9th in 1969 MVP (in OF for that season)

Dick McAuliffe: 286/373/455, 95 HR, 513 RBI, 571 runs, 3 time All Star, 2nd in 1966 MVP, 10th in 1967 MVP, 8th in 1968 MVP

Junior Gilliam: 285/385/425, 51 HR, 259 RBI, 435 runs, 2 time All Star

Julian Javier: 292/329/405, 32 HR, 193 RBI, 225 runs, 2 time All Star

Jerry Lumpe: 264/323/336, 18 HR, 336 RBI, 443 runs, 1 time All Star

Bill Mazeroski: 251/294/360, 55 HR, 341 RBI, 326 runs (editors note: this is a Hall of Famer in his best decade:eek:)

Tony Taylor: 254/299/328, 20 HR, 328 RBI, 409 runs

Bobby Richardson: 270/301/344, 12 HR, 232 RBI, 250 runs

[leecemark]

1) Dick McAuliffe: Mac was the best hitting middle infielder of the decade. He leads in slugging HR and RBI by a solid margin. Only 5 times in the decade did a middle infielder make the top 10 in the MVP voting and Mac delivered 3of those 5 - including a 2nd place finish in 1966. The only question is whether to slot him at 2B or SS. He spent the 6 years of the decade shuffling around the IF, but getting most of his playing time at SS. He finally settled in as the everyday 2B in 1967 and appears to be set there for the duration of his career. If he can add enough to his resume he'll make the CKL HoF as a secondbaseman.
2) Pete Rose: Rose was a 4 time all star at secondbase before moving to the outfield in 1969. He leads all MIF in BA.
3) Junior Gilliam: Junior was the Knights secondbaseman and leadoff man in the first part of the decade. His 385 OBP leads all MIF and he is also one of the few to sport a 400+ SLG.
4) Joe Morgan: Morgan got a later start than the above. He had a great 1965 campaign, finishing third in the MVP voter that year. His career was disrupted by injuries, but he bounced back to serve as leadoff man of the Legends as they emerged as a CKL powerhouse.
---------A huge drop off to the next spot. Julian Javier had a couple All Star seasons, but couldn't hold a job in between. Jerry Lumpe and Tony Taylor managed to hold down regular jobs for of the decade, but only because they ended up on teams with few options. Bobby Richardson hit the emptiest .270 in history. The "winner" is......
5) Bill Mazeroski: Maz played more games at 2B than any body else in the decade, but several hundred of them were as a defensive replacement. He could flash the leather, but most years didn't do much with the wood. Still he did make a contribution to several outstanding teams, playing regularly for championship teams with both the Skipjacks and Hard Cider.

[Erik Bedard]

1. McAuliffe
2. Gilliam
3. Rose
4. Morgan
5. Javier

Only one guy with a Gold Sox connection on here (1969 backup Mazeroski), so no chance for a real homer vote.

[jkc32]

Shoeless Votes:
1. McAuliffe
2. Rose
3. Gilliam
4. Morgan
5. Javier

[Windy City Fan]

1. McAuliffe
2. Rose
3. Gilliam
4. Morgan
5. Mazeroski

[jaybird_1981]

1. Dick McAuliffe :)
2. Pete Rose
3. Joe Morgan
4. Junior Gilliam
5. Bill Mazeroski

[catcher24]

1. Dick McAuliffe - I was ready to vote for him at SS but he wasn't listed. No question he has been the spark plug of the Knights for nine seasons now and is to date the best offensive middle infielder the league has seen.
2. Pete Rose - Had he stayed at second base he might challenge Mac as best offensive middle infielder, but his recent move to the outfield changes that.
3. Joe Morgan - What Gilliam was for the Knights in the first half of the decade Morgan has been to the Legends in the second half. He's still young and there is an outside possibility that he will develop further and overtake McAuliffe as the best offensive middle infielder in league history.:)
4.Jim Gilliam - Excellent offensively and solid defensively for the early Knights teams.
5. Julian Javier - Has only played two full seasons but was an all star both times.

[Hack_Miller]

Rose
McAuliffe
Gilliam
Morgan
Javier

[J W]

Nothing to add to what has already been said:

1) McAuliffe
2) Rose
3) Gilliam
4) Morgan
5) Mazeroski

...not much in the manner of defense. How far did Davey Johnson fall short of qualification incidentally?

[leecemark]

--Johnson was 9th in games started at 2B. Jerry Adair and Ron Hunt are players who finished ahead of him in that department, but didn't make the ballot. His 253/304/353 batting line wouldn't have likely brought him many (well any:)) votes. He has a little over 200 RBI and runs in the counting stat department.

[leecemark]

1) Dick McAuliffe 39
2) Pete Rose 32
3) Junior Gilliam 23
4) Joe Morgan 18
5) Bill Mazeroski and Julian Javier 4

--Secondbase wasn't exactly a strong position in the decade. McAuliffe was first on all but one ballot despite spending the first half the decade at SS. Rose was second, despite moving to the outfiled by the end of the decade. Junior Gilliam, McAuliffe's predecessor with the Knights, makes the third team. Joe Morgan finished 4th and Mazeroski and Javier split the 5th place votes.