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Milwaukee County Stadium
09-01-2008, 11:48 AM
I have A Great What If Thread I Just Thought Of:
What If Brooklyn Was Awarded A MLB Team.
And The Plan Was To Tear Down The Apartment Buildings That Are On The Site Of Old Ebbets Field, and Build A New Ebbets Field On The Same Site and Location, and same layout (But Modernized). They Could have Home Plate on The same place that Old Ebbets Field Was.
What Do You Think?
Or Heck Also What If They Tear Down The Polo Grounds Apartments And Then Build a New Polo Grounds
JohnCropp
09-01-2008, 12:06 PM
I don't think the folks living in those apartments would appreciate that.
Especially the ones who have occupied that space longer than the Dodgers did.
tugger
09-01-2008, 12:07 PM
That's where the new Mets park should be.
Couldn't build a "modern" stadium on the old footprint, though - need about twice the land for offices, concourses, amenities. Building without support girders mean upper deck set back a ways. Plus you need lots and lots of parking. Do the trains stop there?
placount
09-01-2008, 01:40 PM
again? really? let it go.
Yankees2k6
09-01-2008, 02:46 PM
I have A Great What If Thread I Just Thought Of:
What If Brooklyn Was Awarded A MLB Team.
And The Plan Was To Tear Down The Apartment Buildings That Are On The Site Of Old Ebbets Field, and Build A New Ebbets Field On The Same Site and Location, and same layout (But Modernized). They Could have Home Plate on The same place that Old Ebbets Field Was.
What Do You Think?
Or Heck Also What If They Tear Down The Polo Grounds Apartments And Then Build a New Polo Grounds
You can't just knock down houses, and build new stadiums, you have to talk to the people who own the land..... And if they agree to sell the land, then you knock them down
Seattle1
09-01-2008, 02:54 PM
What if MLB decided on contraction, and the first two teams they contracted were the Mets and the Yankees?
:rofl:
:laugh
Dodgeboy
09-01-2008, 03:36 PM
IF (and that's a huge if) they put a third team in the NY metro, it would likely be in New Jersey or maybe Hartford.
Would a National League team work in Hartford? And would they be the Whales?
Twenty Seven
09-01-2008, 03:43 PM
Connecticut needs a team. Why don't they have any?
metfan13
09-01-2008, 03:51 PM
Amazing. Like clockwork. Must be the first of the month.
Time for the next "let's put another team into the NY area, thread."
Apparently, there are no new ideas.
metfan13
09-01-2008, 03:52 PM
Connecticut needs a team. Why don't they have any?
Iowa too. And Kansas.
PeteU
09-01-2008, 04:15 PM
Iowa too. And Kansas.
Personally, I'm bullish on Minot, North Dakota, if you ask me.
JohnCropp
09-01-2008, 05:16 PM
How come the Nationals don't play any of their games in Puerto Rico?
DaBigMotor
09-01-2008, 05:50 PM
Okay, easy guys.
I throw pebbles at the stadium huggers who think with their hearts only, and never with their heads...but I think that this poster's just a kid...
Personally, I'm bullish on Minot, North Dakota, if you ask me.
Well Minot has a population of 34K and the three county area has about 67K people so not enough media revenues but the attendance couldn't be worse than the Marlins.
cgcoyne2
09-01-2008, 09:53 PM
I have A Great What If Thread I Just Thought Of:
What If Brooklyn Was Awarded A MLB Team.
And The Plan Was To Tear Down The Apartment Buildings That Are On The Site Of Old Ebbets Field, and Build A New Ebbets Field On The Same Site and Location, and same layout (But Modernized). They Could have Home Plate on The same place that Old Ebbets Field Was.
What Do You Think?
Or Heck Also What If They Tear Down The Polo Grounds Apartments And Then Build a New Polo Grounds
Seriously,
I once went into Brooklyn to deliver tuxedos. I delivered them about 1.5 miles from where Ebbets Field once stood. When I decided to see the old Ebbets Field area it took me half an hour to get there!!!!! Half an hour to go a mile and a half.
No they will not be building another Stadium there EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and why not Minot?
Manhattan
09-02-2008, 12:24 AM
Seriously,
I once went into Brooklyn to deliver tuxedos. I delivered them about 1.5 miles from where Ebbets Field once stood. When I decided to see the old Ebbets Field area it took me half an hour to get there!!!!! Half an hour to go a mile and a half.
No they will not be building another Stadium there EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and why not Minot?The Dodgers are to stay in Los Angeles,CA. An expansion team will be awarded for the A MLB team in Brooklyn,New York.
Meadowlark
09-02-2008, 06:06 AM
An expansion team will be awarded for the A MLB team in Brooklyn,New York.
Why bother seeing as Wilpon is Brooklyn Dodger-ising the Mets as much as is legally possible.
Kentucky Bomber
09-02-2008, 07:13 AM
What if MLB decided on contraction, and the first two teams they contracted were the Mets and the Yankees?
:rofl:
:laugh
How about they look at the AL standings for the last 4 years and deep six the Mariners?
mandrake
09-02-2008, 07:31 AM
Why bother seeing as Wilpon is Brooklyn Dodger-ising the Mets as much as is legally possible.
A quick refresher is in order:
The Brooklyn Dodgers should have moved into Flushing Meadows Stadium. They did not. Their owner lied his way to Los Angeles.
The NY Giants should have moved into Flushing Meadows Stadium. In a moment of too many Rheingolds or Schaeffers, the owner followed the liar to California.
One lone holdout, Joan Payson, tried to keep the Giants in NYC and take over the new stadium. She was outvoted 8-1. For her troubles, she was given a new NY team called the Metropolitans, a name chosen by fans in a poll. They played at the former home of the Giants, used their uniform design, but reached out to broken hearted Dodger fans by using Blue with the Orange, and signing as many Brooklyn players as possible. She bent over backwards to please the Jints and Bums fans and always tied her new teams history to the two teams that backstabbed NY and Brooklyn.
In their first year of playing in Flushing Meadows, the new baseball club outdraws the combined total of the final season (1957) of the Dodgers and Giants: 1.8 million.
The new team has its share of ups and downs,sometimes drawing over 3 million, sometimes failing to reach one million. After 40 years plus of existing as a Dodger/Giant hybrid, a new Mets owner gains complete control and tries to reverse history. He has a vision that he really owns the Brooklyn Dodgers, and constructs a new and improved Ebbets Field. He even builds an "Ebbets Club" inside the park. He then names the new rotunda after Jackie Robinson, who never played for the Metropolitans. When the Jints half of his fan base balks at his vision, he then publicly states that "the outfield dimensions evoke images of the Polo Grounds, and the green seats are a tribute to the Giants". Most fans have no idea what he is talking about.
The owner of the "New Dodgers" then reduces capacity by approx 12,000 to increase demand and revenue and to drive out the great unwashed from his new Ebbets Field. A nutty poster suggests that since the rotunda is named after a Brooklyn Dodger, and the stadium looks like Ebbets Field, and since they also have an "Ebbets Club", maybe,just maybe they could put up a statue of a solitary Giants hall of famer somewhere in the vicinity of his new Dodgerland.
The new owner ignores this and probably thinks 'Mel Ott did not exist in my dreams/vision. There was no team that won 5 WS and 14 pennants in NY. There were only the Dodgers and their lone WS win. We must constantly do everything to convince the world that the Bums did accept Robert Moses plan. So the Mets were never born and even their history does not matter'.
That is the last 50 years of NYC NL baseball in a nutshell.
JohnCropp
09-02-2008, 07:41 AM
A quick refresher is in order:
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That is the last 50 years of NYC NL baseball in a nutshell.
Can we make this a sticky?!
Shadly
09-02-2008, 08:26 AM
The Mets are the Brooklyn Dodgers/New York Giants tribute team already. But, unlike the Grateful Dead and Dark Star, the Mets still play both those teams. Newsflash: the Dodgers and the Giants aren't New York teams. It's already nauseating enough the the Wilpons keep humping their legacies rather than create their own, and even more nauseating that many Mets fans have no problem with it.
PeteU
09-02-2008, 08:47 AM
Well Minot has a population of 34K and the three county area has about 67K people so not enough media revenues but the attendance couldn't be worse than the Marlins.
Sigh.
Like clockwork.
Obsess much?
KCGHOST
09-02-2008, 08:53 AM
MCS you might want to go over to the Brooklyn Dodger forum with this idea. it has been booted around many a time. You will find that the Imperial Guard of the Brooklyn Dodger Faithful will only accept the return of the team that was stolen from them.
mandrake
09-02-2008, 08:58 AM
Can we make this a sticky?!
Is being made a sticky a good thing or a bad thing?
One more thing about Wilpon believing he owns the Brooklyn Dodgers... I know he was not around for all of this but.....
Looking at the retired numbers Wilpon can say " Look at number 14, Gil, Dodger. Number 42, Jackie, Dodger. Even Casey was a Dodger once. Now somebody tell me when we retired Clem Lebine's #41 ?".
crosetti32
09-02-2008, 09:52 AM
I've thought of this and I was wondering, not knowing the brooklyn area too much, about the area where the minor league team plays. Is it in Coney Island? If I were the owner of the mets, I would have pushed for the new stadium there (the minor league team can move to where-ever). Just think of the buzz it would have generated to build the new mets ball park in Brooklyn.......think of the alternative road jerseys that read "Brooklyn" across the chests of mets players....just imagine the revenue from the sales alone.
metfan13
09-02-2008, 09:54 AM
I've thought of this and I was wondering, not knowing the brooklyn area too much, about the area where the minor league team plays. Is it in Coney Island? If I were the owner of the mets, I would have pushed for the new stadium there (the minor league team can move to where-ever). Just think of the buzz it would have generated to build the new mets ball park in Brooklyn.......think of the alternative road jerseys that read "Brooklyn" across the chests of mets players....just imagine the revenue from the sales alone.
They're fine where they are, called the New York Mets.
six4three
09-02-2008, 10:48 AM
I've thought of this and I was wondering, not knowing the brooklyn area too much, about the area where the minor league team plays. Is it in Coney Island? If I were the owner of the mets, I would have pushed for the new stadium there (the minor league team can move to where-ever). Just think of the buzz it would have generated to build the new mets ball park in Brooklyn.......think of the alternative road jerseys that read "Brooklyn" across the chests of mets players....just imagine the revenue from the sales alone.
Coney Island is way too far away. Not the best place for a major league park.
And the Mets represent the entire city, not just one borough. It wouldn't be any more appropriate to wear "Brooklyn" across their chests than it would "Queens."
crosetti32
09-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Okay...guess my idea will not fly here...back to the yankee stadium blog.
Meadowlark
09-02-2008, 02:35 PM
constantly do everything to convince the world that the Bums did accept Robert Moses plan. So the Mets were never born and even their history does not matter'.
If Walter O'Malley can wind up in the Hall of Fame due to revisionist propaganda then the Mets can be re-invented as a latter day Brooklyn Dodgers.
If you throw enough brown stuff at the wall eventually it will stick.
Sadly Wilpon doesn't realise he's doing a disservice to the combined legacies of the Giants, Dodgers & Mets.
Shadly
09-02-2008, 02:53 PM
How do you think Boston Braves and Philadelphia Athletics fans feel? They didn't get the tribute team. You're all kind of ungrateful. The fans of those teams had to do the unspeakable: switch leagues! Gasp! Route for a team that they perceive as "cake eaters" and "blue bloods"! Can you imagine if you didn't even get the Mets? Can you imagine caving after boycotting baseball for ten years, or routing for teams that play on the other side of the planet and finally heading on over to Yankee stadium? Braves and Athletics fans had to do that. Some how I don't think there would have been a mass exodus to San Francisco and LA in the 1960's. You'd all be wearing pin stripes by now. There is something absurd about Major League Baseball having two teams that claim the heritage of the Dodgers, and two teams that claim the heritage of the Giants; let alone the absurdity that two of those four teams is the same one. New York should have two teams, but the fact that the Mets organization still clings to some continuity between the two teams that left more than 50 years ago is ridiculous. Start your own legacy. That's what Tampa and Miami and Houston and Toronto and etc. had to do, yet you're New York, and you have to have existed in Baseball for over a hundred years. Right. Get over it. Your team isn't 112 years old. You didn't break down the color barrier. Willie Mays isn't a career Metropolitan. You were luckier than a lot of other cities that got the shaft over the years.
metfan13
09-02-2008, 03:04 PM
Other people seem to worry too much about what Met fans should and shouldn't worry about.
It's a lot of talk.
I've been a Mets fan since the 60's. The Mets are Seaver, Koosman, 1969, Rusty, Matlack, Tug, ya Gotta Believe, 1973, Kingman, the down years, Maz, Mookie, Strawberry, Gooden, Hernandez, Carter, 1986, Cone, 1988, more lean years, and more lean years, Piazza, Alfonzo, Ventura, grand slam singles, Subway series, more lean years, Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Pedro, Johan and a future. (We'll skip that little collapse)
We've got plenty of history of our own.
And I don't care if the guy who's building a bright, shiny new stadium wants to honor his childhood. It's his money. It's our team.
Meadowlark
09-02-2008, 04:19 PM
And I don't care if the guy who's building a bright, shiny new stadium wants to honor his childhood.
So Mets fans don't care about Wilpon's trip back to the future & judging by the Brooklyn forum old time Dodger fans aren't appeased in the slightest.
Which makes CitiField a monument to one man's vanity.
Milwaukee County Stadium
09-02-2008, 05:03 PM
So What Your Saying Is That It Would be more likely that a stadium would be built on the site of the Polo Grounds in the next 50 years than to see a stadium being built on the site of Ebbets Field?
108stitches
09-02-2008, 05:10 PM
The Dodgers are to stay in Los Angeles,CA. An expansion team will be awarded for the A MLB team in Brooklyn,New York.
And we will see another expansion team in Canada. Forget about it.
mandrake
09-02-2008, 05:17 PM
So What Your Saying Is That It Would be more likely that a stadium would be built on the site of the Polo Grounds in the next 50 years than to see a stadium being built on the site of Ebbets Field?
I would say a stadium would be built on MARS before they built one at 155th and 8th.
metfan13
09-02-2008, 05:19 PM
So Mets fans don't care about Wilpon's trip back to the future & judging by the Brooklyn forum old time Dodger fans aren't appeased in the slightest.
Which makes CitiField a monument to one man's vanity.
Some people obsess about these things. I don't care if Wilpon builds a monument to his youth. He's also spending a lot of money to give me a contending team to watch.
Besides, once you're in your seat to watch the game, and isn't that REALLY why we should be going to a ballpark, the view from the seat doesn't look anything like Ebbets.
Meadowlark
09-02-2008, 05:27 PM
Besides, once you're in your seat to watch the game, and isn't that REALLY why we should be going to a ballpark, the view from the seat doesn't look anything like Ebbets.
Amen to that.
Hopefully once Citi Field is up & running it will take on a life of its own & not be just a glorified mausoleum to the past.
Yankees2k6
09-03-2008, 07:19 PM
I've thought of this and I was wondering, not knowing the brooklyn area too much, about the area where the minor league team plays. Is it in Coney Island? If I were the owner of the mets, I would have pushed for the new stadium there (the minor league team can move to where-ever). Just think of the buzz it would have generated to build the new mets ball park in Brooklyn.......think of the alternative road jerseys that read "Brooklyn" across the chests of mets players....just imagine the revenue from the sales alone.
Yep it's in coney island
cgcoyne2
09-04-2008, 04:00 AM
I've thought of this and I was wondering, not knowing the brooklyn area too much, about the area where the minor league team plays. Is it in Coney Island? If I were the owner of the mets, I would have pushed for the new stadium there (the minor league team can move to where-ever). Just think of the buzz it would have generated to build the new mets ball park in Brooklyn.......think of the alternative road jerseys that read "Brooklyn" across the chests of mets players....just imagine the revenue from the sales alone.
Did you read my post above? If you think getting around inside Brooklyn was bad, try loading up the Belt Parkway with Coney Island traffic going to a Met game. OH MY GOD, what a nightmare!!!!!!
YankeeFanBx
09-04-2008, 04:34 AM
New York City is so crowded I have no idea where they would build a new stadium for a major league baseball team.
Not in Flatbush in Brooklyn , nor at 155th & 8th in Manh.
If Yankee Stadium weren't already in the Bronx no one would ever think of building a stadium in the Boogie.
I honestly believe the city could support a third team, where they would play is a mystery to me. :noidea
Meadowlark
09-04-2008, 01:59 PM
I honestly believe the city could support a third team, where they would play is a mystery to me. :noidea
New Jersey is the only viable location for a "NY" team.
But then you've got the Phillies to placate as well as the Yankees & Mets in terms of turf.
six4three
09-04-2008, 02:05 PM
No, if you're anywhere near the Phillies' territory then you're no longer talking about a New York team.
Meadowlark
09-04-2008, 02:16 PM
No, if you're anywhere near the Phillies' territory then you're no longer talking about a New York team.
Should have made myself plainer I was talking in terms of TV turf.
The Phillies would still raise objections to a team based in northern New Jersey in that regard even though all their Jersey based fans live circa Atlantic City.
six4three
09-04-2008, 02:25 PM
Television rights and territorial rights are not the same thing.
Television areas overlap so much that no team gets veto power over a move based on that alone (Las Vegas is blacked out to almost every West Coast team, yet nobody seriously suggests that a relocating franchise would have to get approval from all of the A's, Angels, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants or Padres).
I'm not aware that the Phillies have any territorial rights to North Jersey. I would be very surprised to learn that to be the case.
Meadowlark
09-04-2008, 03:14 PM
Television areas overlap so much that no team gets veto power over a move based on that alone (Las Vegas is blacked out to almost every West Coast team, yet nobody seriously suggests that a relocating franchise would have to get approval from all of the A's, Angels, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants or Padres).
The ghosts of the Black Sox (not to mention the transient population) will prevent Vegas ever getting a MLB team.
Obviously the Yankees & the Mets are the real stumbling block to a third NY team in terms of territorial rights.
If it did come to pass however I still think the Phillies would want a kickback in the TV arena.