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Milwaukee County Stadium
09-01-2008, 09:50 AM
Ok The Brewers For About The Last Three Years have had many sellout games, but also remember that Miller Park Only Seats 42,200, and when there is a Sellout Game the attendance is usualy about from 43,000 to 45,000 with standing room. My Question Is It Possible to expand Miller Park's Seating Capacity by 10,000 to make Miller Park's New Seating Capacity 52,200? Please Give Your Opinions, and ideas on how Miller Park's Seating Capacity could be expanded, and where they could add more seats.

Ubiquitous
09-01-2008, 10:13 AM
Where exactly would they expand to? It is an enclosed stadium.

So far this year they have had about 40 sellouts, they had about 30 last year.

It is unlikely that the Brewers would want to expand. There is no need to expand until the demand gets so high that all the season tickets are sold, there is a waiting list to get on, and there is a high demand for tickets. At that point they could expand and then charge high prices for those tickets. Right now expansion would not bring higher prices.

Finally the team doesn't own the stadium and to get expansion done the taxpayers would have to pay for it and that isn't really going to happen unless the Brewers sweeten the pot, which they have no reason to do.

Yankees12
09-01-2008, 10:18 AM
It's really not possible nor practical to expand Miller Park.

This is the problem with the recent trend of decreasing capacities of new stadiums by so much. If the team does well, they'll often be able to draw far more than what their stadium holds. There should be a lot more stadiums around 50,000 than there is today, and there really should be way more stadiums above 45,000. IMO, building Miller Park under 45,000 was a huge mistake.

placount
09-01-2008, 10:30 AM
no its not a mistake at all. It's good business. Lower the supply, and the demand will go up. You can then raise the price while keeping operating costs equal or even lower to what they were before. If every games a sellout you can charge an insane amount of money for your seats (boston).

Milwaukee County Stadium
09-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Ok By Expanding Miller Park I ment To Expand Seating In The Outfield.
Here's A Photo Of Miller Park And How Little Seating they have in the outfield on the first level:
http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/national/millerpark.jpg
I think that they should move the Visitors Bullpen In Right Field And Expand the Bullpen In Left Field And have Both The Brewers and The Visitors Bullpens In Left Field.
And In This Next Photo Look Right Of Center Field And Imagine If There Was No Bullpen In Right Field, and also see that after the wall in Right Center Field there is a green wall that goes up to the Concourse In Right Center Field, Imagine if that was not there either and in it's place would be more seats in Right Field:
http://www.deadcode.com/ballparks/millerpark.jpg

Ubiquitous
09-01-2008, 10:37 AM
For most teams, including the Brewers, it isn't about lowering the supply. It is about adding supply. The Brewers new stadium added a new supply of luxury suites and seats. The seats they eliminated were not the best seats in the house but the worst seats in the house that almost never got sold. Now if they cut down seats to say 30,000 then you have a point but 42,000 seats is a lot of seats for a baseball stadium. Even with 42,000 seats there are still a lot of bad seats in the stadium. They charge $8 for Bernie's seats and 14 dollars for the rest of the outer ring. For the most part if this was a bigger stadium those are where the extra seats would be and that is where the vast majority of unsold seats would be. The Brewers regardless of how many seats their stadium had would have the same number of prized scarce seats. That being the suites and boxes, for the most part no matter what you do the amount of box seats are always going to be the same for each park. Those seats are the prized seats and for the most part these are the seats that teams care about. They build stadiums that maximize the amount of suites and box seats inside the stadium, to do that you have to sacrifice the bad seats. But nobody cares about that.

PeteU
09-01-2008, 10:50 AM
One thing I noticed about Miller Park--it always looks a lot larger to me than having just 42,000 seats. I think that mainly is a result of having most of the seating in between the foul poles, but when I look at it at times, the place looks huge as it is.

Milwaukee is still a smaller market and they are going to have to calculate for down years when the crowds aren't as large. 42,000 is fine, IMHO.

Milwaukee County Stadium
09-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Ok I Actualy Edited The Miller Park Seating Chart To Show What I Said With Moving The Vistors Bullpen to Left field, and in it's place would be more seating in Right Center Field On The First Level.
Before:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/millerseat.jpg
After:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67353786@N00/2818353726/
And Compare To Milwaukee County Stadium's Seating Chart (County Stadium Had 53,000 Seats, When they moved to Miller Park They Lost 11,000 Seats)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67353786@N00/2818486582/
Miller Park Seating Chart:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/millerseat.jpg

Ubiquitous
09-01-2008, 10:56 AM
One thing I noticed about Miller Park--it always looks a lot larger to me than having just 42,000 seats. I think that mainly is a result of having most of the seating in between the foul poles, but when I look at it at times, the place looks huge as it is.

Milwaukee is still a smaller market and they are going to have to calculate for down years when the crowds aren't as large. 42,000 is fine, IMHO.

Miller Park is huge and because of their huge concourses they get another 3000 or so fans for big games.

aschramm
09-02-2008, 03:54 PM
As someone who's brewer fan, I'd love for them to expand their seating a little more. But as it was mentioned, they have no incentive to do this until every game is sold out and they have waiting lists for season tickets and such. If they were to expand, I think they should extend the second level of both their right and left bleacher toward the scoreboard, to have the field surrounded more, and also add more seats to the "dew deck" (third level right field bleachers). That's pretty much all you can do, as the field level seats are as close to the field as possible.

mandrake
10-31-2008, 01:19 PM
I'm looking to see if there are any pictures out here that show the railings and plexiglass, and if they actually obstruct views. I can't see the stairs in these pictures. Are there any others?

DJ Starion
10-31-2008, 03:09 PM
I'm just excited they are finally getting a new scoreboard

nymdan
10-31-2008, 03:17 PM
Let's put it this way... if you want to add 5,000 seats, you're doing a major expansion that involves adding to/changing the structure of the stadium. That would probably cost at least $100 million.

If you're adding cheap seats that sell for $20... you need to sell 5,000,000 tickets to make back that money.

BMF
10-31-2008, 03:32 PM
Let's put it this way... if you want to add 5,000 seats, you're doing a major expansion that involves adding to/changing the structure of the stadium. That would probably cost at least $100 million.

If you're adding cheap seats that sell for $20... you need to sell 5,000,000 tickets to make back that money.

why does miller park look bigger than it is?

efin98
10-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Let's put it this way... if you want to add 5,000 seats, you're doing a major expansion that involves adding to/changing the structure of the stadium. That would probably cost at least $100 million.

If you're adding cheap seats that sell for $20... you need to sell 5,000,000 tickets to make back that money.

$20 x 5,000 seats is $100,000 per game...$8.1 million a season...roughly 12 and a third years to make it all back. That's only if every seat was sold out for every game, hardly worth the expansion.

BMF
10-31-2008, 03:45 PM
$20 x 5,000 seats is $100,000 per game...$8.1 million a season...roughly 12 and a third years to make it all back. That's only if every seat was sold out for every game, hardly worth the expansion.

hardley seems worth it. all the new ball parks are going small though. its like HOK bumped their head